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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Larry on February 25, 2008, 01:00:28 AM
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I searched everywhere and couldnt find any pictures, just sites that said there were a few of them. If any of you guys have a picture of any I would really appreciate.
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I cannot find any Doras, but I found a ta-152
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Yea I know of "green two". Just looking for doras right now.
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Ill keep my eyes open and let you know if I find anything.
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We have the Dora TK. I'll get it to you.
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Eagle Productions has found one picture of a JG11 190D9, and it will be in volume 2 of their D9 books. I asked on another board whether anyone had any info on JG11 D9s.
Also to quote some responses..
"It appears that images of Fw190D-9's with JG11 are a touch thin on the ground. Having thumbed my way quickly through both volumes of JaPo's "Focke-Wulf Fw190D Camouflage & Markings" and the first instalment of Eagle Editions "The Focke-Wulf Fw190 Dora", all I can provide thus far is this list of D-9's taken from the "Table of known Focke-Wulf production losses" in volume 1 of the JaPo series:
WNr.211105 - code unknown of Stab./JG 11
WNr.211132 - coded "Black 4" of Stab./JG 11 - flown by Obfhr.Walter Krist
WNr.211140 - code unknown of Stab./JG 11
WNr.211145 - code unknown of Stab./JG 11. Mention is also made on page 117 of the Eagle Editions volume that WNr.211132 was delivered to JG 11 on 5th December 1944. Perhaps one of our resident Fw190D experts (Jerry & Eric) or other members can point us towards images of these or other Fw190D-9's serving with JG 11..."
"Dear All Yes, you are right , few machines found their way to JG11 . As mentioned some of them are recorded in several archives. Very few photos are supposed to depict Fw190D-9 flown or during delivery to JG11 . But no other evidence confirms this for the moment. We are still searching , I will let you know more when evidences will enable us to have a positive identification.
Ta152H found also their way to JG11 , 2 are recorded lost at the end of the war. Eric"
"Hi guys; We have found one photo of a JG 11 D-9 which will be published in Volume Two of our Dora book.
Peter - Thank you very much for your nice review on Volume One, we appreciate it very much.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all! Cheers, Jerry Crandall"
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Which is where we are at. (Still) Waiting patiently for Mr. Crandall's book to become available.
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I wanna skin it alredy stampf!:furious
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I think I have found the picture you are looking for. This is the link to where I think I might have found it. I tried to copy the link location of the picture but it was encrypted. I hope this helps.
http://www.trainsandplanes.co.uk/armour-collection-props-focke-wulf-fw190-c-22_87_53.html
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those are all 190As.
Edit: And that JG11 plane is already skinned for the 190A-5!
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Larry,
You have a werk no. and a plane code "Black 4" and pilot.
WNr.211132 - coded "Black 4" of Stab./JG 11 - flown by Obfhr.Walter Krist
You surely know what a standard LW color scheme for late war (1945) Fw190D9s should look like within reason.
So fire up the paint program and get it done. It might be years before we see that second edition of that book.
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Late war schemes weren't standard, though. The mottling, the choices of colors for that plane, how the nose was colored (if at all) or the rudder, or any other specific markings.
There's a lot of variation. I think *some* sort of reference would help, but I agree that waiting for the book could take years.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Late war schemes weren't standard, though. The mottling, the choices of colors for that plane, how the nose was colored (if at all) or the rudder, or any other specific markings.
There's a lot of variation. I think *some* sort of reference would help, but I agree that waiting for the book could take years.
Pick a scheme of a known bird and go with it. We know what JG11 colorschemes consisted of generally. Normally no tail color and the yellow fuslage Defense of the Reich band. I am not advocating a poka-dot scheme here. (Although I got one I may do for a K4..)
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You might as well say the same for any 109.
I disagree with you in that I think the issue of creating a LW skin is more specific than that. Even craft in the same lineup have different paint schemes, IMO. Some have large areas sprayed over old markings, and new ones applied, some have thick mottling, some thin, some multi-colored mottling.
If he just skins a generic skin, it's total supposition, guess work. Is there at least a text description of it? Noting any of these "personality traits" the skin might have?
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http://www.largescaleplanes.com/reviews/EagleCalsDecals/EC57/EC57.html
http://www.largescaleplanes.com/reviews/Decals/WW2/EagleCals/EC58_2/EC58_2.html
http://www.largescaleplanes.com/reviews/Decals/WW2/EagleCals/EC21/EC21.html
Seems there is alot of commonality between these schemes where the colors match. Any variation to the molting would be minor.
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I'm sorry if I see it differently, but I notice plenty of difference in those that have mottling.
take a look at these two I did:
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/190a8/skin5.jpg)
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/190a8/skin6.jpg)
The only major difference (not counting the tail band) is the mottling. They are different enough that they do not look identical.
They're both from JG301 (one was loaned out to another unit), but IMO distinct from each other.
EDIT: Thank you NetAces for the images.
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Besides the fact those are 190-A8s, and the D9s appeared to have less individuality overall...
It looks like you need to have the first one at least removed from the game. It's molting does not match this reference.
http://www.eagle-editions.com/decal79.htm
After all are you not saying that the skin has to match known references? If not what is wrong with using what is KNOWN to be standard camo schemes and molting (maybe not 100% the same as the real plane) with a KNOWN WrkNr and Plane ID?
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We might have a breakthrough.
The following picture purports to be Leck Airfield where JG11 surrendered to the British.
(http://www.4thfg.org/Fencer/Leck.jpg)
(http://www.4thfg.org/Fencer/JG11_D9.jpg)
(http://www.4thfg.org/Fencer/badge.jpg)
Opinions? Badge identity?
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That's the II/JG11 Badge. Right were it's supposed to be. Great picture Ken. Lech is indeed where most JG11 rides were surrendered in the west. :aok
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Skin it Larry!
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It looks like White 7.
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It looks like you need to have the first one at least removed from the game. It's molting does not match this reference.
There is more than one reference than the EagleCals sheet. I've seen that decal scan, and it doesn't seem to be very clear. I took it into consideration, and compared to the other references, went with them instead.
EDIT: Regarding the photo, it looks like the mottling is light. There's none on the nose beneath the demarcation line, and there's a nice chunk of it by the badge area, but looking beneath the canopy and as far as the photo shows, it's very light mottling (light as in low density, not necessarily color choice)