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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ROX on February 25, 2008, 07:38:42 AM
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Thank you to all Knights who participated in the Alliance Missions yesterday.
Thanks to the Inter-Squad and Independant participation we took 5 bases in just over 2 hours.
I saw many ID's that normally do not participate in missions join the fray.
See what happens when squads work together? We had over 40+ in each mission...the enemy was helpless to stop us when we worked as one.
Most knights talk about "all we do is furball"..."we never pork like we should"..."we never get organized"....
Well....
*******Alliance Missions********
ARE BACK with a VENGANCE!
When you see one, JOIN IT.
We WILL get the job done.
Thanks again to all the folks who participated to kick backsides and take names...I'm proud of every one of you!
One behalf of the organizers (Raccdogg, 68Gunny, and myself)...we salute you all!!!! <>
ROX
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On behalf of one of the Alliance,job well done by Raccdog,Rox and Gunny.I like taking orders from the gunny...just like the days of long gone past.Semper Fi!!The key was we had three strong leaders,and radio traffic was kept to a minimum,so we could get the mission executed.It was as good a job as can be done by a group that large.Plus the fun factor was enormous,and thats the reason I fly AH.I will be looking forward to the next missions.
IronDog
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You had about half the entire knit team on your mission to 36, and when a few squaddies and myself decided to go see the progress about 20-30 minutes in to your mission, we got there to find the town mostly up, the ACK *still* up, and a general state of total disarray.
I just wonder wtf was going on for the first half hour?
Meanwhile, while half the players were at that field, we lost 2 more just north of it, and the field you used to hit 36 was sacked pretty hard (we almost lost it too).
IMO shallow victory.
I think missions can be great fun, and get folks involved. However, just running up a giant mission roll-call means squat if you can't get 'em to do the job that much faster.
A group of 10 players might have had the field down, capped, and the town cleared inside of 5 minutes, but a group of 40+ couldn't do the same in 4x the time.
This isn't a dig at you, it's just a commentary that giant missions aren't a benefit unless they get the job done, and they rarely do. I appreciate that you're trying (some don't even try!)
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Krusty, what we thought at 36 would be a relatively easy take, but half of the ROOK nation turned out to defend. The rooks were using 36 as a staging base to not only beat up on the bish--but to pork our bish front bases so that our efforts against the bish were hampered.
It was obvious the rooks were pressing hard to win the map...and 36 had to go.
36 Was a base the rooks weren't going to give up quietly.
Yes, It took 4 waves and three goons but we did it.
The other 4 bases we took a lot less time...and we had 2 missions taking the same base simultaneously--an air mission and a gv mission...a luxury we did not have on the island base of 36.
I don't think it was at all a hollow victory....
I DO think knights are a little rusty at being the ones on the butt kicking end of the victory :aok
But all that is changing :)
GO ********Alliance Mission**********
<> Krusty, and my hat is off sir.
ROX
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Having that many guys in is silly.
Good strategy would be to divide and conquer. Hitting different targets at the same time so the enemy doesnt know where to defend.
Bish had a 20 man mission the other week, everything was done perfectly except the goons. 1 p47 managed to spray one troop (i think 1 building was up) and the pilot bailed and managed to prevent the second drop in his chute.
It is rare that would happen but if any Con comes near town you have to look/ strafe map room its basic.
Having large "alliances" or "gathering of human shields" to take fields in horde like fashion is my biggest hate. Theres teamwork and organisation but many of these so called "leaders" or win the war types can't fly for their supper.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
Having large "alliances" or "gathering of human shields" to take fields in horde like fashion is my biggest hate. Theres teamwork and organisation but many of these so called "leaders" or win the war types can't fly for their supper.
Remember that LCA hurly-burly 2 years ago? Was the main reason I left rooks back then.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
Having that many guys in is silly.
Good strategy would be to divide and conquer. Hitting different targets at the same time so the enemy doesnt know where to defend.
Bish had a 20 man mission the other week, everything was done perfectly except the goons. 1 p47 managed to spray one troop (i think 1 building was up) and the pilot bailed and managed to prevent the second drop in his chute.
It is rare that would happen but if any Con comes near town you have to look/ strafe map room its basic.
Having large "alliances" or "gathering of human shields" to take fields in horde like fashion is my biggest hate. Theres teamwork and organisation but many of these so called "leaders" or win the war types can't fly for their supper.
...Ditto, Bruv. I really could not have said so any better myself. This is a basic Gameplay issue, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Remember that LCA hurly-burly 2 years ago? Was the main reason I left rooks back then.
:rofl Hurly-Burly :rofl Oh man that is the word of the day for me!
Yeah, using large groups is okay to a certain extent... But 5 bases in 2 hours is kind of low. But I am with Bruv on this as well as Lusche on this one.
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I guess what all the other vets said about the Alliance makes me look foolish.I never was much on base capture and missions,so I didn't realize it was a waste of manpower and time.I still had fun,so I will continue to join the Alliance missions.Sorry for not seeing the forest,but for the trees.
Iron Dog
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Missions can be fun. You can run a mission with no real goal. However, gigantic missions HAVE a goal, and rarely accomplish it.
Keep participating in them, if you enjoy it. Just keep pushing the other folks to stick to the task at hand.
Some squaddies and I ran a strat bombing mission earlier. It was an open invite mission. We had 5 b17 formations and about 5 fighter escorts. Halfway to target we pass over a single set of b17s 10k below us, and immediately 2 escorts peel off (despite warnings not to) and go down to pick the b17s. Wether they got them or not, they never rejoined us. One died from b17 defensive fire, the other... who knows?
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hey if you had fun it's all good, that's the aim of the game, fun, not taking bases.
i do agree though, that with a ton of guys, it's not a great idea to do one base. with 40+ fairly skilled guys you could get four bases in as many minutes, provided there are no cockups.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
Having that many guys in is silly.
Good strategy would be to divide and conquer. Hitting different targets at the same time so the enemy doesnt know where to defend.
Much truth here.
As an example, last weekend (not this one just passed) the Rooks had rolled almost every GV base in Bishland on the big (pinwheel) map. It was about 2:00 AM where I am. I saw a big group of Bish working to take one of the VB's back and another VB flashing at the other end of the map with one guy flying around it. I thought that the Rooks would be busy defending against the bigger attack, and rather than help the guy who had the other base flashing, I went to hit yet a third base, the intent being to spread the defense out.
The big attack won the base they were working on and one other while I rolled 3 bases alone. The other single guy didn't get his base.
The point is, you don't need a hoard if you use good strategy.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
hey if you had fun it's all good, that's the aim of the game, fun, not taking bases.
OH...BELIEVE me it was a BLAST!
Just to hear the guys on the ground look up and see the air guys show up and go.."I've never seen anything like this before"
It was great to see folks who normally don't join missions get in on it and later say how much fun it was.:aok
Knights used to do them all the time a couple of years ago, but the dynamics changed.
I'd see GHI put together one of his B-26 specialties (20+ boxes of B-26's with lots of Jug/Spit/Pony escorts) and wonder..."How come we don't do stuff like that anymore?"
Well...now we do.
Again, thanks for the participation...I had a blast!
ROX
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Originally posted by ROX
I'd see GHI put together one of his B-26 specialties (20+ boxes of B-26's with lots of Jug/Spit/Pony escorts) and wonder..."How come we don't do stuff like that anymore?"
ROX
B26 is fast, climbs well, best tail guns/amo, and i don't have patience to fly more than 2 sectors, bomb and after go low, strafe, HO, vulch and throw empty beer cans like a bunch of dirty gang bikers on Harley Ds in movies with punks. Great tool to trash bases!:)
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Originally posted by Krusty
Missions can be fun. You can run a mission with no real goal. However, gigantic missions HAVE a goal, and rarely accomplish it.
Although it wasn't perfect on the first one...we were 5 for 5. That's why I posted originally...I was hugely proud of the folks who joined.
And we all learned something about missions, especially the communications and importance of maintaining radio dicepline.
And ghi...my hats off to you. Whenever it's a weekend, and you start seeing a couple of dar-bars coming straight at you and that BLOB of red icons has boat-loads of B-26s and boatloads of escorts...it has your fingerprints all over it. <>
I gotta say, it's a WHOLE lot more fun being in the mission than it is having to defend against it, but that's just me.
ROX
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No offense intended Rox, I wasn't specifically singling your missions out with that comment, just most of the giant missions I see.
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Originally posted by ghi
B26 is fast, climbs well, best tail guns/amo, and i don't have patience to fly more than 2 sectors, bomb and after go low, strafe, HO, vulch and throw empty beer cans like a bunch of dirty gang bikers on Harley Ds in movies with punks. Great tool to trash bases!:)
VOOLCH! VOOLCH!
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Originally posted by ROX
I gotta say, it's a WHOLE lot more fun being in the mission than it is having to defend against it, but that's just me.
ROX
I have to disagree..... much more fun to defend. To each his own. :aok
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Originally posted by Krusty
No offense intended Rox, I wasn't specifically singling your missions out with that comment, just most of the giant missions I see.
No "offence" taken Krusty! <> Sir:) None at all.
I, like you, have seen many a mission (giant or not) go horribly wrong and either fizzle out or degenerate into a furball...objective not achieved.
It's nice to have flown/gv'ed with a group yesterday that was the exception to that.
Raccdogg was the key strategist, 68Gunny coordinated all the ground operations...there's alot of talent there...plus the folks who participated and got the job done = FUN.
The main reason for starting the thread was to publicly say how proud of everyone I was....and that we plan to do a lot more of them. Our Alliance Missions could have easily have turned to disaster if folks hadn't stuck to their assignments, picked up the slack if someone missed their target, or just turned into a furball.
I don't know how it is in Bishop or Rookland, I have never flown for them, but I can say that sometimes (ok MANY times) getting knights to coordinate, work, and stay together is like herding CATS.
All the more reason I was so proud yesterday.
ROX
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You do realize the proper spelling is with an "s" right? :cool:
P.S. Herding cats is easier!
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rox the alliance missions are great fun and accomplish alot
remember that one sunday we got 24 bases?
<S>
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As long as the job gets done :aok
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<S> 68KO
R.I.P. man thanks for the ALLIANCE legacy
the ALLIANCE MISSIONS are a fitting memorial as they kick oscar
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Yes thank you for putting so many targets in 1 place. Landed 20 kills in a Temp there with NO rearm. :devil
Thank you indeed.
<S> Strip(er)
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You are more than welcome Strip! :aok
For every NME who lands some kills due to the Alliance Missions we take 25 bases. Seems like a reasonable stop-loss to me.
Proof is..in LW Orange, knights have been dominating this tour...instead of being the usual doormat.
Try and disprove that.
Alliance Missions are done to honor our fallen heroes. :salute
ROX
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<S> 68KO
R.I.P. man thanks for the ALLIANCE legacy
the ALLIANCE MISSIONS are a fitting memorial as they kick oscar
:salute :salute :salute :salute
I can't agree more.
ROX
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LOL dont break your arm patting yourself on the back over something that fictious. The cons at 36 were like shooting fish in a barrel. I was never over 10k yet was 2-3 k above the massive horde there. Instead of climbing out and away most simply tried to vulch. Very few if any cons tried to climb and fight me coalt.....course it wasnt like I was going to let them. :devil
BTW You guys arent that good.....quantity over quality.
Strip(er)
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LOL dont break your arm patting yourself on the back over something that fictious. The cons at 36 were like shooting fish in a barrel. I was never over 10k yet was 2-3 k above the massive horde there. Instead of climbing out and away most simply tried to vulch. Very few if any cons tried to climb and fight me coalt.....course it wasnt like I was going to let them. :devil
BTW You guys arent that good.....quantity over quality.
Strip(er)
Proof = Look at the map :D
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Yes your horde tactics work. Still doesn't change the fact its a horde. :noid
Strip(er)
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wtg on your cartoon accomplishments of herding a horde to the vulch, you guys must be uber sticks
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Yes your horde tactics work. Still doesn't the fact its a horde. :noid
Strip(er)
Here comes the whine....looks like you did everything right ROX! :lol
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Not a whine.....just a statement. If the enemy wants to gather at 5k and circle waiting to be picked off by a single enemy con thats fine by me. :aok Ill rack up the kills all day long. :devil
Strip(er)
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Sounds like somebody's cornflakes got tinkled in strip. :cry
WTG Rox! :aok
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lol I hope he does these more.....becomes REAL easy to find a fight.
I have two points....it is the horde method....and I enjoy killing them.
As a whole tho they arent very skilled (as with most hordes) and need to learn tactics.
Strip(er)
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Yes your horde tactics work. Still doesn't change the fact its a horde. :noid
Strip(er)
Look, if you don't like getting you backside kicked back into the Stone Age by Alliance Missions, I can't help you.
Knights aren't doormats anymore. If that bothers you, I can't help you.
The Alliance Missions are going to keep coming...call it a hoarde, call it whatever you wish, there not going to stop, If you don't like that, I can't help you. You will have to look elsewhere to find a simpathetic ear.
So, when you hoard US we're just supposed to take it and do what knights used to do and do nothing?
Hoarde? Thank you!
Here's the cheese....(http://www.entertainmentworlds.com/crackerbarrel.gif)
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lol I hope he does these more.....becomes REAL easy to find a fight.
I have two points....it is the horde method....and I enjoy killing them.
As a whole tho they arent very skilled (as with most hordes) and need to learn tactics.
Strip(er)
You are correct Sir..it takes VERY LITTLE skills to take your bases.
It's as easy as 1, 2, 3....just ask the people who participate.
Kinda like taking candy from a baby.
Call all the names you want...Alliance Missions will continue.
Thank you for the whine...it only makes us stronger.
ROX
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Keep em coming Rox - gotta love trying to defend against em (even if I'm stupid enough to up at a capped field..lol).
Makes it easy to find a fight with decent numbers (I dont last long mind, but its still fun)
<S>
Wurzel
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gpwurzel a respectfull :salute Sir! You and "The Few" are worthy foes with honor... :salute
Sorry folks, it just irks me when people post out of arrogance/ignorance.
It's perfectly fine when your country gets 20-30 players to take a base, but when an organized mission comes up against YOUR country, it's "an evil hoade, full of noobs with no skills and tactics, and we suck". How much does that reflect that someone is wearing a hockey helmet but doesn't belong to a team?
"Oh....our side NEVER hoardes!" (Yeah, right).
Get your helmet on and hide in a trench.
ROX
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Just keep putting them up ROX and enjoy yourself its what its all about :rock :rock :rock
And soon I'll return and join in , but SALUTE ROX. and it would seem as if there working good too !
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I've only been playing this game for a month, and have had a great time in the Alliance Missions.
Thanks Rox :salute
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And that, is what its all about.
I like flying missions when one is posted (not that I do well in them - I'm way too impatient for my own good)
Thoroughly enjoy trying to defend against them - especially if I'm already up and have some alt
All in all, this game is about having fun - if missions are your thing - do it. If defending is your thing - do it.
If flying about lost, looking for a fight with no gas, no alt and in a slow plane - are you sure your not me? lol
Wurzel
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lol I hope he does these more.....becomes REAL easy to find a fight.
I have two points....it is the horde method....and I enjoy killing them.
As a whole tho they arent very skilled (as with most hordes) and need to learn tactics.
Strip(er)
Then why do we wipe the floor with you Bish/Rooks? If we're so bad, how do we take 5-6 bases in a few hours? That's skill. We preform and deliever, i've never been on any one of ROX's Alliance Missions, or Chappy's that has failed. That's skill. Whining about a respectable and fine group of airmen who continue to campaign through Bish and Rook territory is neither skilled nor respectable.
Lastly, <S> ROX & CHAPPY, and long live Alliance missions.
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expect whining tonite.
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<S> ALLIANCE
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Big Salute Rox....I am not a Forum type guy, but was intersted in hearing the whining goin on.....Its pretty funny.
I love the missions and will up whenever I can. Whoopin prettythang is what its all about, and the "horde" raises survivability, thus insuring a capture and not a waste of time. Furballers can go furball. Im an Alliance Mission Permanent member.........and my skills are getting better each flight.......and I will be a force to be reconned with in the future. Thanx for all yer hard work Rox, and please keep it up!
d
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Hey ROX and company,
I had a blast in the missions the other night, I think it was 3 base captures in one single mission. Thats sweet team work, kinda reminds me of the old alliance missions. Glad there back and keep em' coming, look me up when youre on and Ill join for sure.
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Everyone in this game whether Rook, Bishop or Knight pay their $17 to have fun and play the way they want. So why not just have fun and not worry if someone isn't flying the way you want. Just have fun whichever way you like to fly. <S> to all.
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Uneccessary force.....is there any other way?
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I guess what all the other vets said about the Alliance makes me look foolish.I never was much on base capture and missions,so I didn't realize it was a waste of manpower and time.I still had fun,so I will continue to join the Alliance missions.Sorry for not seeing the forest,but for the trees.
Iron Dog
Irondog,
No reason to feel foolish at all. Everybody pays there $15 and has just as much right to "have fun"....if it floats your boat go for it. What you'll find is that a certain segment applaudes this type of stuff and another (myself included) finds it to be the lowest common denomenator of gameplay. Since I have absolutely nothing positive to say about it I'll simply say nothing at all.
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I agree with you on the hoarding is lame theme only when it is a gaggle of dweebs that just de-ack a field for the intent to vulch but do nothing more. That is lame, however co-ordinated groups that take bases in an orderly manner with full intent to take virtual territory and find good opposing pilots in the process is fun and not lame. I have done and still do participate in most types of fights, admitedly I do furball less often as I used to but none the less I have done it. I have done the missions/FSO/snapshot sceene, the rouge soloist gig, and the furballing. I like all types and aspects of this sim, just about the only thing that really boils my beans is Ho'in an' rammin' but in both cases it really is my decision to continue on course and let the twit try to HO rather than reset above on my perch and dive in to get his pelt after he goes looking for the next person to HO. SO in my opinion it is more the gamers that game the sim (IE. the ones who use lancasters as stukas, those that insist on HOing every merge, and well you get the Idea) that are indeed the "lowest common denomenator of gameplay". But I digress, to each their own.
ROX, again a huge :salute to you bud. If youre runnin' a mission give me a holler.