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Why is the Hurricane IIC rated so high (ENY 10?!?!) all of a sudden in late war ???
Sorry if this was discussed already - I just noticed this tonight and felt it was completely ridiculous...
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Why is the Hurricane IIC rated so high (ENY 10?!?!) all of a sudden in late war ???
All of a sudden? It has been that way...hmm as long as I can remember, but at least since the big arena split autumn 2006. And it's pretty justified - the Hurricane is quite close to being an "easy mode" plane. Turns on a dime and has 4x 20mm Hizookas... Pretty high usage (more than 10,000 kills last tour, for comparison 109K: less than 8,000) with one of the highest non-perk plane k/d ratios.
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All of a sudden? It has been that way...hmm as long as I can remember, but at least since the big arena split autumn 2006. And it's pretty justified - the Hurricane is quite close to being an "easy mode" plane. Turns on a dime and has 4x 20mm Hizookas... Pretty high usage (more than 10,000 kills last tour, for comparison 109K: less than 8,000) with one of the highest non-perk plane k/d ratios.
Yeah but it's like one of the slowest fighters in the game - it's completely outclassed, unless you meet someone dumb enough to turn fight with you... Anyone who meets up with one always has the option to run away, come back, and energy fight.
I'll never understand why it's rated so high (all of a sudden in my mind since I remember it being like 35 last time I noticed), and other Uber planes like the P-51D, FW190-D and Typhoon are not rated 5.
It's like punishing a "Fighting Plane" while giving breaks to "Pick & Run" planes.
Slamfire
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I'll never understand why it's rated so high (all of a sudden in my mind since I remember it being like 35 last time I noticed),
You are confusing it with the Hurricane I, which has an ENY of 40. Hurricane II never had an Eny >30 as far as I know.
And don't underestimate the IIC. If it had only average armament, I would share your opinion. But the Hispanos change evrything and set it apart from all the other TnB planes in the set.Thanks to them, it's even very capable vs BnZ attacks. You can quite easily dodge an attack, then use it's incredible maneuverabilty to bring the guns to bear the moment your enemy passes you. And not many rounds are needed to Also the Hurri is sturdier than a Spit and very stable in a dive. Of course, the puny speed is the main reason the Hurri II has no ENY 5
While, in my opinion, one could argue about the ENY 15 rating of a 190D, it's much more a one-trick pony. You need much more discipline to fight in it succesfully. A Hurri can't run away for sure, but a 190 that loses it's E advantage is in some serious trouble too.
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Hurricane IIC has a ENY of 15 is the mid war 4 some reason
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The hurricane2c turns like a bat, dives like it's posessed, and has hispanos from hell. I'm surprised it's not even higher.
Great aircraft.
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Hizookas? I thought they were hispanos. :huh :huh
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I think the "in the field" name for them was Hizookas. Like between mechanic and such.
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I think that's just an ingame thing.
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The hurricane2c turns like a bat, dives like it's posessed, and has hispanos from hell. I'm surprised it's not even higher.
Great aircraft.
i have to agree with this, as the hurri2 in particular seems to be able to outturn just about anything except for the zekes.......although it's slow, it is fast enough to catch the unwary in an overshoot, and it's acceleration is good enough that it can stay with most long enough to get in a quick shot should they disengage to extend out from the fight........on the other hand, i've been outrun by bombers on occasion...that's kinda disturbing, but what the heck, right? :aok
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I think that's just an ingame thing.
It's an in-game thing. Cross between a "hispano" and a "bazooka" in reference to the amount of damage they do. Can't remember who first coined it, but I T | N > K when I first saw it.
T | N > K
Tea | Nose > Keyboard
Tea piped through Nose Redirected to Keyboard
It's a *nix thing.
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The Hurricane is a war horse. Reliable, powerful and hard hitting.
Be thankful it isn't perked!
One decent hurri 2 c driver can make many vulchers whine.
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IMHO it is over modeled. Turns way too well.
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The Hurricane is a war horse. Reliable, powerful and hard hitting.
Be thankful it isn't perked!
One decent hurri 2 c driver can make many vulchers whine.
I sure did :D
And I'm very thankful it isn't perked :aok
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Be thankful it isn't perked!
If HTC perked the Hurri MkII C, the Spit-16 and the La-7 there would be an empty LW Arena......
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If HTC perked the Hurri MkII C, the Spit-16 and the La-7 there would be an empty LW Arena......
Doras, Ponys, and Nikkis, oh my.
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The Hurricane is a war horse. Reliable, powerful and hard hitting.
Be thankful it isn't perked!
One decent hurri 2 c driver can make many vulchers whine.
I AM...AND I HAVE :rofl
also, a previous post mentioned it's punch.....i think the hispanos fire explosive rounds wheras the type 99's in the zekes don't. i've conserved ammo by firing only 2 at a time in the past in the hurri........
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If HTC perked the Hurri MkII C, the Spit-16 and the La-7 there would be an empty LW Arena......
I disagree that LW would be empty. I think it would actually make it a better place.
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"I disagree that LW would be empty. I think it would actually make it a better place. "
Agreed
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I AM...AND I HAVE :rofl
also, a previous post mentioned it's punch.....i think the hispanos fire explosive rounds wheras the type 99's in the zekes don't. i've conserved ammo by firing only 2 at a time in the past in the hurri........
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ya might want check on this!!!!
All cannons have atleast some HE rounds,the hisp. at first used a ball type round. That is until the fuzing of the HE rounds were perfected.
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I have a soft spot for the Hurri. I really should spend more time in it.
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Hurri C's are great. As of late, it has been one of the most fun to fly. Here is how I've been getting kills in them lately....
1.) Overshoots....Overshoot kills are the best. It's hard to get a better feeling out of a kill than a guy that overshoots and pays for it.
2.) Flying just inside an enemy's radar ring and waiting for a fight. This helps insure that the cons come in at an altitude where you can fight them lower . Also, in most cases I have the alt advantage, which is essential for a hurri to catch anything. Fighting just insided the enemy's radar ring also creates opportunities for help and easier RTB's.
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Why is the Hurricane IIC rated so high (ENY 10?!?!) all of a sudden in late war ???
Sorry if this was discussed already - I just noticed this tonight and felt it was completely ridiculous...
It has like... the most powerfull 20mms in the game, dang man, 2 of those and u can rip stuff out of the air
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i used to fly the hurri2c exclusivly because of the turning ability, ya the cannons are nice but theres not enough of them,(if ive ever been on your 6 you know 360 some odd rounds arnt enough) :cry and the thing is so slow its an easy kill, i think the eny should be more like 12 or 15, because of the slowness of it, any decent stick can kill one unless of corse its got plenty of alt, even then it should be easy,
then again it really depends on who is at the stick.
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You are confusing it with the Hurricane I, which has an ENY of 40. Hurricane II never had an Eny >30 as far as I know.
i think it did once have a high ENY, was 25 i think. a few GV kills gave you well over 20 perks each sortie :D
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i used to fly the hurri2c exclusivly because of the turning ability, ya the cannons are nice but theres not enough of them,(if ive ever been on your 6 you know 360 some odd rounds arnt enough) :cry and the thing is so slow its an easy kill, i think the eny should be more like 12 or 15, because of the slowness of it, any decent stick can kill one unless of corse its got plenty of alt, even then it should be easy,
then again it really depends on who is at the stick.
Bahh, plenty of ammo. All you need do is have secondary fire button. This way you can fire one bank, then switch when empty.
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Bahh, plenty of ammo. All you need do is have secondary fire button. This way you can fire one bank, then switch when empty.
Nice never thought of that. Does it work for you?
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Nice never thought of that. Does it work for you?
I have all guns mapped this way. Take the spit for instance. I use the small cal weapons to "spook" them into turning. Then I nail em with the cannon.
Edit. And 1 hizooka is plenty, never mind 4.
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I have all guns mapped this way. Take the spit for instance. I use the small cal weapons to "spook" them into turning. Then I nail em with the cannon.
Edit. And 1 hizooka is plenty, never mind 4.
i have a primary fire button which fires everything on the plane...and a secondary that only fires 2 at a time......on planes with cannon/machine guns, i have one mapped for guns only(to tickle them with) cannons only(to disassemble their plane with) and main trigger fires all(if i wanna end the fight quickly before he comes round and kicks my azzz)
in the 2c, i only ever fire 2 at a time unless i suspect it's someone that i REALLY need to finish quickly(like NB, lusche, redtop, pluto, etc..if i'm even lucky enough to gain their 6 to begin with).
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Perk it!!
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it did have a lesser ENY couple of years ago. Can't remember exactly but it's been this ENY since the split arenas....bummer
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If HTC perked the Hurri MkII C, the Spit-16 and the La-7 there would be an empty LW Arena......
No, there would just be N1ks, Typhs and more P-51s.
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it did have a lesser ENY couple of years ago. Can't remember exactly but it's been this ENY since the split arenas....bummer
I think it's ridiculous that the Hurri2C is ranked the same ENY wise as the Typhoon. That's like saying the P-40 is on par with the P-51D.
My guess is it's the end result of a lot of whining - people underestimated it's abilities in a turn fight... got cocky... and paid - then they started writing whine-o-grams to HTC. I suppose the same will happen with the A-20, IL-2, Zeke and D3A next.
Slamfire
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Bahh, plenty of ammo. All you need do is have secondary fire button. This way you can fire one bank, then switch when empty.
i do have my guns seperate, you underestimate my HORRIBLE targeting skillz :(
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i do have my guns seperate, you underestimate my HORRIBLE targeting skillz :(
same here.....is why i fly cannon planes....and try tog et as close as i can without hitting the target before i shoot at him :D
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Here how you beat a Hurricane.....nose down.
Done!
Strip(er)
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Only if you're fighting a Mk. I
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Here how you beat a Hurricane.....nose down.
Done!
Strip(er)
are you saying to just dive away? nose down fights haven't worked against me in hurri, except for the guys BnZin me..or energy fighting me.....only thing i've really had outturn a hurri though is a zeke....
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it did have a lesser ENY couple of years ago. Can't remember exactly but it's been this ENY since the split arenas....bummer
The ENY on the Hurri IIC was 35 or 40 back then. That's when the Spit 1 was 60 though heh. Before the arena splits I used to use the Hurri to farm perks.
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ENY is based on use and relative performance. IMO the hurricane has replaced the Nikki as a preferred "dweebmobile". I normally encounter high hurricanes all the tme now. Average hurricane driver comes in at 15k+ looking to B&Z a few kills and then fight his way back out on the deck. While they are relatively easy kills if you get them alone it's almost impossible to counter the 15K hurriII that jumps you while your engaged.
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All of a sudden? It has been that way...hmm as long as I can remember, but at least since the big arena split autumn 2006. And it's pretty justified - the Hurricane is quite close to being an "easy mode" plane. Turns on a dime and has 4x 20mm Hizookas... Pretty high usage (more than 10,000 kills last tour, for comparison 109K: less than 8,000) with one of the highest non-perk plane k/d ratios.
Lusche,
Where did you get those stats? I know Inno used to have a site with all that info but I thought it was dead?
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Lusche,
Where did you get those stats? I know Inno used to have a site with all that info but I thought it was dead?
http://www.hitechcreations.com/scores/mainscores.html
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I totally think Hurri IIC should b perked, way overpowerd, LA should b to, its more like a woos plane, fly like a man, up a P-47 :aok :D
-BigBOBCH
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ENY is based on use and relative performance. IMO the hurricane has replaced the Nikki as a preferred "dweebmobile". I normally encounter high hurricanes all the tme now. Average hurricane driver comes in at 15k+ looking to B&Z a few kills and then fight his way back out on the deck. While they are relatively easy kills if you get them alone it's almost impossible to counter the 15K hurriII that jumps you while your engaged.
what are they easy kills in? is this in a co-alt fight, or you BnZ'in them? it seems to me that if one tries gto turn with them, they come out on top...........
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I totally think Hurri IIC should b perked, way overpowerd, LA should b to, its more like a woos plane, fly like a man, up a P-47 :aok :D
-BigBOBCH
the p47 is considered one of the greatest ww2 planes ever made, in the hands of someone who knows how to use it, hurricanes are easy killz,
hurricanes over powererd thats the biggest joke ive heard, its got 32some odd rounds, its in the top 5 slowest planes. (NOT INCLUDING BOMBERS).
people who complain about hurris ether try to HO them or try to out turn them, both stupid moves, especially if the Hurri stick knows his plane.
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Naa.
It would still be full of P-51s and corsairs. If I am not mistaken, (Lusche the statistician would know), the P51 is the most flown plane in the late war arenas.
And as others said, never underestimate the Hurri IIc. Always give them respect and if one has altitude on you.... live in fear. If one is less than 1k from you even at a full deflection angle.....live in fear. Even as mediochre a gunner as myself frequently score kills with hispanos at D800 on 90 degree deflection "pings". 10 ENY is a good value for them imho.
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You are confusing it with the Hurricane I, which has an ENY of 40. Hurricane II never had an Eny >30 as far as I know.
And don't underestimate the IIC. If it had only average armament, I would share your opinion. But the Hispanos change evrything and set it apart from all the other TnB planes in the set.Thanks to them, it's even very capable vs BnZ attacks. You can quite easily dodge an attack, then use it's incredible maneuverabilty to bring the guns to bear the moment your enemy passes you. And not many rounds are needed to Also the Hurri is sturdier than a Spit and very stable in a dive. Of course, the puny speed is the main reason the Hurri II has no ENY 5
While, in my opinion, one could argue about the ENY 15 rating of a 190D, it's much more a one-trick pony. You need much more discipline to fight in it succesfully. A Hurri can't run away for sure, but a 190 that loses it's E advantage is in some serious trouble too.
Back when FT was going the hurri2c had a 35 eny
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Yeah but it's like one of the slowest fighters in the game - it's completely outclassed, unless you meet someone dumb enough to turn fight with you... Anyone who meets up with one always has the option to run away, come back, and energy fight.
I'll never understand why it's rated so high (all of a sudden in my mind since I remember it being like 35 last time I noticed), and other Uber planes like the P-51D, FW190-D and Typhoon are not rated 5.
It's like punishing a "Fighting Plane" while giving breaks to "Pick & Run" planes.
Slamfire
DUDE.....people thing the P40 is outclassed too....if you're one of them, i dare ya to go fight 1DUKE1 in his P40, with you flying whatever you fly best. 95% chance you'll lose.
i think it's the same for the hurri2.......there are people in it that can downright embarrass some pilots in LW uber-rides......
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what are they easy kills in? is this in a co-alt fight, or you BnZ'in them? it seems to me that if one tries gto turn with them, they come out on top...........
with a 2c the question is never "co-alt" but "co-e". Most habitual 2c drivers enter a fight with significant alt (I rarely see a IIc inbound under 15k) and or a numerical advantage. The 2c with alt and E is exceptionally formidable and difficult to avoid let alone actually kill. Once "cornered" the majority of 2c drivers immediately turn to a vertical 2 circle fight relying on the power of the guns vs their skill with the plane.... Given the ballistics involved this isnt a bad move since there is a fine line between setting up a good rope and falling to a 800 yd golden BB.
Normally I run into a hurricane when I get dragged into a fight I can no longer control in an A-20 where the 2c is pretty much unavoidable. Otherwise they're normally pretty easy kills (even in an A-20) from an even start but the ability to hit 800 yd snapshots is always a threat with them. No question that the tiffie and the hurricane are both tremendous opportunists in a furball type enviornment, one from the inside and the other from the outside...both are just right at an ENY of 10 in my mind.
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with a 2c the question is never "co-alt" but "co-e". Most habitual 2c drivers enter a fight with significant alt (I rarely see a IIc inbound under 15k) and or a numerical advantage. The 2c with alt and E is exceptionally formidable and difficult to avoid let alone actually kill. Once "cornered" the majority of 2c drivers immediately turn to a vertical 2 circle fight relying on the power of the guns vs their skill with the plane.... Given the ballistics involved this isnt a bad move since there is a fine line between setting up a good rope and falling to a 800 yd golden BB.
Normally I run into a hurricane when I get dragged into a fight I can no longer control in an A-20 where the 2c is pretty much unavoidable. Otherwise they're normally pretty easy kills (even in an A-20) from an even start but the ability to hit 800 yd snapshots is always a threat with them. No question that the tiffie and the hurricane are both tremendous opportunists in a furball type enviornment, one from the inside and the other from the outside...both are just right at an ENY of 10 in my mind.
well, the only time i relly go that hi in my hurri is if the enemy's up there......i generally fly right to the fights, and hope for nice furball, or a nice 1-1..........i've never really thought about bnz in the hurri as i have trouble with her at speed...besides..to me the roller coaster ride of a furball or a great 1-1 is where it's at........and i do unfortunatly rely on the cannons till i get better....i like the zekes too, although their cannon's aren't as potent.......
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Another reason Hurri isn't rated higher: just 364 rounds in those hispanos. Its hard to rack up kills unless you use 2 at a time (but thats no fun :). Trying to get back to base with a couple of spits and ponies when you have no ammo is not easy.
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Another reason Hurri isn't rated higher: just 364 rounds in those hispanos. Its hard to rack up kills unless you use 2 at a time (but thats no fun :). Trying to get back to base with a couple of spits and ponies when you have no ammo is not easy.
those hispanos don't need too many rounds to connect to kill though....i've removed the empenage of 109's with only 3 or 4 visible hit sprites....usually with 1 or 2 second bursts......
landing the kills is another thing alltogether :rofl
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with a 2c the question is never "co-alt" but "co-e". Most habitual 2c drivers enter a fight with significant alt (I rarely see a IIc inbound under 15k) and or a numerical advantage. The 2c with alt and E is exceptionally formidable and difficult to avoid let alone actually kill. Once "cornered" the majority of 2c drivers immediately turn to a vertical 2 circle fight relying on the power of the guns vs their skill with the plane.... Given the ballistics involved this isnt a bad move since there is a fine line between setting up a good rope and falling to a 800 yd golden BB.
Normally I run into a hurricane when I get dragged into a fight I can no longer control in an A-20 where the 2c is pretty much unavoidable. Otherwise they're normally pretty easy kills (even in an A-20) from an even start but the ability to hit 800 yd snapshots is always a threat with them. No question that the tiffie and the hurricane are both tremendous opportunists in a furball type enviornment, one from the inside and the other from the outside...both are just right at an ENY of 10 in my mind.
That's funny -- the only time I see IIc's are right off the runway in a base-defense role. About the only time I use them, too.
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Hurri IIc's pwn my La :(