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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RoGenT on March 12, 2008, 05:35:50 PM
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Just throwing in my two cents here so not meant to be whine or egotisical. I've always noticed this quite bit so decided to finally address the issue. Few days ago, I had someone say to me 'run pony run' -I won't say who it is out of respect but I just found it funny that it was mentioned because he has several of his buddies behind him although further out. I didn't have any more ammo left so really no point of me trying to fight. Issue in point is why do people talk smack when they:
1 - Have more E and/or Alt
2 - In better turner (or faster planes)
3 - Have wingie
I realize people are going to talk smack and it is quite humorous. I can't vouch for other pony drivers but to me anyway, if I know I can't turnfight with say, Spit16, then I am not going to try to get into turn fight. I use my speed to my advantage as any stick would do their plane. Smart pony drivers use their speed against better turners, rather then try to get into fight on the enemy's terms.
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You know those monkeys in the zoo that climb trees to throw their feces at passerbys?
Well, smack talking on 200 is for those who are too lazy to climb a tree.
Call me an old man, but I think constant, insipid smack talk when playing a sport or a game has got to be absolutely the most annoying and disgusting habit that middle America has contracted from the "Gangsta" culture.
Simple solution though, don't tune your radio to "Retarded Lemur Theatre".
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I'm right there with ya Rogent, use your machines strengths.
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Don't look too much into it, if they are anything like me, i always used to taunt the enemy over 200 if they were flying smart. You would be surprised the amount of times they bite the bait or get pissed off and get themselves killed.
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Hmmm, that could have been me - if it was, my aim was to get the pony down to my level (I was in a zero :D).
I dont do it to cause offence, mainly to get them to come back and fight (mostly in bad odds for them obviously)
Personally, I'd just ignore anything I type on 200...lol......
Wurzel
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Issue in point is why do people talk smack when they:
Because they can.....
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Why you talk smack? It's simple really, you try to verbally goad the person into doing something they know is a mistake, thus giving you an advantage. There is nothing wrong with smack talk or shall we say goading if it's done in fun and the spirit of the game. Remember your trying to make the other guy make a mental mistake by disrupting his thoughts and natural instincts. Let's say he said "run pony run" then you landed and he gave you a salute, well that would tell your right there he was just trying to get you to make a mental mistake in the spirit of the game. Had you fallen for his smack and turned to engage knowing you were at a disadvantage and low/out of ammo then he just won the mental game.
AKsleepy
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I have done the same taunting from time to time. But I really don't mean it in a disrespectful way. I know that most people are only using this "running" as a means offset an advantage that I have. I also generally don't do it when I have numbers on my side (only for 1vs1). Most times I place a LOL or I am waiting for them to reply out of ammo. At which point I would let them go. No fun fighting a defenseless enemy.
The last time I taunted someone like that we had a fun little back and forth session for about 3-5 minutes. Come to find out he was luring me to his 5-7 friends. Was funny as he11. I gave a LOL and wtg lring me in like that.
<salute>
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Posted by: BnZ
Call me an old man, but I think constant, insipid smack talk when playing a sport or a game has got to be absolutely the most annoying and disgusting habit that middle America has contracted from the "Gangsta" culture.
i so agree, i dont talk smack, try not to,
i very much enjoy flying the spits, i am most often out numberd, and i will always ingage the nme no matter the odds, why ???
because its fun, fun i tell ya, then you get some #@%$ talking crap, because im in a spit or LA,that is the most ennoying part of AH
people say detune 200, why should i? i like typing to the players i have good fights with!!!!!
and some of these smack talkers have private typed and private talked to me, what the hell is that all about?? all of a sudden a new voice comes on, i look up and see that its my squad color vox, and this person is talking crap. thats putting it lightly too, this is defanitly the worst aspect of AH.
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"I've always noticed this quite bit so decided to finally address the issue"
Why, its not going to change anything? Those that whine, do.
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Don't look too much into it, if they are anything like me, i always used to taunt the enemy over 200 if they were flying smart. You would be surprised the amount of times they bite the bait or get pissed off and get themselves killed.
I use to do the same thing in Aces High, I would tell them to "Get back here and die like a man". You wouldn't believe how many would turn and come back and of course die. It appealed to their testosterone I reckon. Ironically, I stoled that from LPN.
Oh Getback does not refer to that line, it's from a Beatles song.
You don't hear me on 200 much anymore. Anything said seems to degrade to grade school level quite fast. Not only that, I nor my squad do not need to be singled out as a target. Our Squad also preaches to our members not to smack talk on 200. So hopefully it wasn't one of our guys. If it is a Rolling Thunder pilot please inform Dadsguns or Faclcon23 or even myself and I will pass it along.
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Just throwing in my two cents here so not meant to be whine or egotisical. I've always noticed this quite bit so decided to finally address the issue. Few days ago, I had someone say to me 'run pony run' -I won't say who it is out of respect but I just found it funny that it was mentioned because he has several of his buddies behind him although further out. I didn't have any more ammo left so really no point of me trying to fight. Issue in point is why do people talk smack when they:
1 - Have more E and/or Alt
2 - In better turner (or faster planes)
3 - Have wingie
I realize people are going to talk smack and it is quite humorous. I can't vouch for other pony drivers but to me anyway, if I know I can't turnfight with say, Spit16, then I am not going to try to get into turn fight. I use my speed to my advantage as any stick would do their plane. Smart pony drivers use their speed against better turners, rather then try to get into fight on the enemy's terms.
because they can...and they know it'll bother you...and obviously they're right, as you have to be at least a leeetle bothered to post this.....me..when someone in a faster plane is running or extending.....i turn n climb while i wait for them to come back. 90% of the time they'll turn back........ :D
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I have alot of friends that talk alot of smack on 200, they just think it's another part of the game, fun, don't take offence to it, I myself don't tune 200 at all, as far as pony's go, they weren't ment for turn fighting in, at least not aganst spit's and such, fly your plane to its advantage thats all. :aok
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You know those monkeys in the zoo that climb trees to throw their feces at passerbys?
Well, smack talking on 200 is for those who are too lazy to climb a tree.
Call me an old man, but I think constant, insipid smack talk when playing a sport or a game has got to be absolutely the most annoying and disgusting habit that middle America has contracted from the "Gangsta" culture.
Simple solution though, don't tune your radio to "Retarded Lemur Theatre".
As a sports official, I couldn't agree more with you.
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Someone refresh my memory.
Who was it that said the game was all bout pissing the other guy off? :)
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Don't look too much into it, if they are anything like me, i always used to taunt the enemy over 200 if they were flying smart. You would be surprised the amount of times they bite the bait or get pissed off and get themselves killed.
Spot on. :rock
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Sort of continuing from the original post, I'd like to know what (if anything) is supposed to be wrong with entering an MA fight with an alt advantage? Why do some people seem to get angry when another player fights them their own way, in this case speeding down on them from a few K's above?
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Yossarian
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Just throwing in my two cents here so not meant to be whine or egotisical. I've always noticed this quite bit so decided to finally address the issue. Few days ago, I had someone say to me 'run pony run' -I won't say who it is out of respect but I just found it funny that it was mentioned because he has several of his buddies behind him although further out. I didn't have any more ammo left so really no point of me trying to fight. Issue in point is why do people talk smack when they:
1 - Have more E and/or Alt
2 - In better turner (or faster planes)
3 - Have wingie
I realize people are going to talk smack and it is quite humorous. I can't vouch for other pony drivers but to me anyway, if I know I can't turnfight with say, Spit16, then I am not going to try to get into turn fight. I use my speed to my advantage as any stick would do their plane. Smart pony drivers use their speed against better turners, rather then try to get into fight on the enemy's terms.
1. Correct
2. Affirmative
3. Right
Only a moron will fight to the opponants strength.
Would you get into a turn fight when in a 262?
Would you get into a BnZ fight in a Hurricane?
Would you dive bomb in a Lanc... oops... some do :D
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Sort of continuing from the original post, I'd like to know what (if anything) is supposed to be wrong with entering an MA fight with an alt advantage? Why do some people seem to get angry when another player fights them their own way, in this case speeding down on them from a few K's above?
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Yossarian
I have no problem with it at all.
I think the times I get annoyed is when you see the same few people hover above a furball with the sole intent of cherry picking. Not that its a bad thing to do once in awhile, but for some, its the only reason they log in. Very lame, very boring, and very cheap.
Another situation is when you have aguy that just simply won't fight you unless he has all the advantages, so, you give him your 6 and prepare your tactics to fight him anyway. If he misses, he just hits the deck and runs. Moments later, you'll see him coming back into the picture at 6k above the fight trying to rinse and repeat. Now, how is he ever going to learn how to be successful, if he is afraid to commit to the project at hand and finish what he started? What's funny is I have started PMing them telling them how to kill me. I had a fella yesterday BnZing me in his la7 gainst my 1-hog. He would come in with great speed, I would move out of his way a little, and he would zoom climb straight back up there. He finally ran out of gas and had to rtb. So I went PM with him and told him to chop throttle and rudder spiral down instead of straight down so that he would lose enough E to secure a high percentage snap before he zoomed back up! When I saw him again, he came much more close to killing me on his first pass. :aok
Using a plane to its abilities is fine, but please, for the sake of wasting peoples time, learn what the thing will do in the TA or offline first rather than practice lameness on people who want to rumble! :aok
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I had a similar situation quite awhile back. Was over enemy field beating up on them.
The time came to bug out. lots of enemies and running low on fuel and ammo.
When I did have 200 tuned I see something like "run pony run" I decide to extend but keep this guy interested I forget who it was but it was a vet. I drag him away from the rest of his friends soon as I know we have a 1 vs 1 i break into him. I think he was in a Nik or KI61 i was pony D. Must have took him by surprise because I was right inside of him flaps out killing him before he had a chance to type anything else.
Gave him a salute then landed all my kills :D
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Issue in point is why do people talk smack when they:
1 - Have more E and/or Alt
2 - In better turner (or faster planes)
3 - Have wingie
1 & 3 are a must at all times.
As for #2 i call BS on that one.It is not the plane it is the Pilot that makes all the difference.The ability to make the opponent think you are doing one thing while doing the exact opposite causing the opponents aircraft to be in a negative situation.
Short version--You do a manuver where the opponent only has the least number of things to do in response.
Why not turn around and sucker that Spit-16 into a bad situation near the ground ie. running into a tree?
As far as i am concerned there are 2 types of pilots in this game:
1.Pilot A--pilot a will engage the enemy no matter how many of them there happenes to be in one area at any given time.Pilot a has no concerns about anything but a good fight nothing else.
2.Pilot B--Who is scared to engage.
it is only cartoon planes what do you have to lose...really?
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Someone refresh my memory.
Who was it that said the game was all bout pissing the other guy off? :)
Skuzzy :aok
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Sort of continuing from the original post, I'd like to know what (if anything) is supposed to be wrong with entering an MA fight with an alt advantage? Why do some people seem to get angry when another player fights them their own way, in this case speeding down on them from a few K's above?
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Yossarian
well, imagine a fistfight.......the guy runs in, punches you and simply runs away....is that REALLY a fight? i don't think so........to me, that's about what bnz is.....although i do realize it's a very valid tactic. like i keep saying though.....the fun is in the fight......turning and burning. i know different people like to fight different, so i rarely get past being annoyed.....although i've had my share of loosing my cool..... :O i still kinda view the bnz'rs as the ones who only really care about their scores too though.....
just my 2 cents.......
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1. Correct
2. Affirmative
3. Right
Only a moron will fight to the opponants strength.
Would you get into a turn fight when in a 262?
Would you get into a BnZ fight in a Hurricane?
Would you dive bomb in a Lanc... oops... some do :D
actually, i've seen people bnz in hurris........
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Aces High is a video game, since you were little don't you remember playing sports and being competitive? "Hey batter batter" is one term I
remember clearly in High school ball. Its all in good fun however, once you start insulting is when game is being taken to far.
I always said if you take the taunts to seriously, either de-tune 200 or try out a game that involves smurf's or barbie and ken.
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well, imagine a fistfight.......the guy runs in, punches you and simply runs away....is that REALLY a fight? i don't think so........to me, that's about what bnz is
Well then you gotta kick em in the nads on the way in.
Thats why I HO em on about the 2nd run, it makes for lively 200 talk.
shamus
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If it was me that said it...(and I have)
I'm just looking to make you make a mistake. Nothing personal, I just want you to turn that crate ever so slightly. She can't get her E back, we all know it.
On the other side...
The other day... I was flying a tempest and was hunted down by two guys runnin a sweep, one in a 51D the other in a Spit8. Both came in higher than me by at least 5K. Spit dove on me first...pony stayed high. Gave the spit a quick couple of turns to bleed his E, then dropped the nose as the 51 started his dive in. I got extension on the Spit quick, and the pony settled in at 1000 out... gaining slowly. I just wanted to separate the two, and work my plane to it's strengths with either of them. 51 starts ribbing me... "run tempest run", which makes me laugh, I know he's pushing that tin can hard to catch me.. he can taste it only 1000 out.
I keep it floored until out of spit's icon range, and he gives up support. Two quick turns bleeds all of the 51's precious E.... Tempest gets hers back three times faster. Pull it into vertical on third turn.... 51 stalls.. over the top and I've got him with a 2 second burst.
Climb out... meet the spit at my advantage. 2 down. Landed with 7.
Work your plane to her advantages.
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Day before yesterday I was whacking goons in a jet on the deck, all the sudden squaddie yells, "Rock, break!" I look back and there are two ponies d-200 and d-400, "Yikes!" I yell on range and pull a slidestep on the d-200 as he was 500+, but I couldnt pull up and in behind him and kill him because the other pony was d-400. Of course the first pony settled back in at d-200 again but i had started accelerating some and hauled arse for 3/4 a sector before I finally got distance on them. I was very happy to know that they had not been practicing up on their gunnery!! All they got was right flap and left eng oil! :D :rock
"run jet run" hee hee :rofl
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I've barked things like this out of 200 before. As said, it is either to bait you, get your goat or just out of frustration that you are walking away from me and there is nothing I (or the friendlies around me) can do about it. If you lived through the engagement and were able to egress successfully, good for you and just ingore the comments. If you ran from the engagement to start with, well up to you to figure out what that means.
Regardless, about 200: don't play in the pool unless you are willing to swim through other people's p1$$.
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If you have any ammo and fuel remaining you have to ask yourself one question:
"is landing this because i ran away better than dying trying to win an unfair fight?"
if the answer is yes, just accept you are a run tard :D
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You know those monkeys in the zoo that climb trees to throw their feces at passerbys?
Well, smack talking on 200 is for those who are too lazy to climb a tree.
Call me an old man, but I think constant, insipid smack talk when playing a sport or a game has got to be absolutely the most annoying and disgusting habit that middle America has contracted from the "Gangsta" culture.
Simple solution though, don't tune your radio to "Retarded Lemur Theatre".
I've tuned to 200 to give congrats to a country for winning a rest, answer a question about my comptuter (iMac), and say "howdy" once in a blue moon to someone I've not seen in ages.
Other than that, I didn't tune to 200. Too juvenile.
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200 is detuned on my vox, i used to sit and read the constant childish babble on there every night. It is a distraction that i can afford to lose I dont miss it one bit.
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1 & 3 are a must at all times.
Why not turn around and sucker that Spit-16 into a bad situation near the ground ie. running into a tree?
As far as i am concerned there are 2 types of pilots in this game:
1.Pilot A--pilot a will engage the enemy no matter how many of them there happenes to be in one area at any given time.Pilot a has no concerns about anything but a good fight nothing else.
2.Pilot B--Who is scared to engage.
it is only cartoon planes what do you have to lose...really?
why not sucker the spit into a situation where he's gonna hit a tree? because I'M the one who almost ALWAYS hits the tree first :rofl
i used to be pilot B.......now i'm pilot A...love furballs.........frig those boring fights/chases! :D
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Well then you gotta kick em in the nads on the way in.
Thats why I HO em on about the 2nd run, it makes for lively 200 talk.
shamus
in the future, i think i'll refrain from reading these on my lunchbreak........i just had to clean some of it off of my monitor!!! :rofl :rofl
i REALLY didn't expect a reply like that! thank you for the laugh sir! :aok
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As far as i am concerned there are 2 types of pilots in this game:
1.Pilot A--pilot a will engage the enemy no matter how many of them there happenes to be in one area at any given time.Pilot a has no concerns about anything but a good fight nothing else.
2.Pilot B--Who is scared to engage.
it is only cartoon planes what do you have to lose...really?
I disagree... Does it make ANY sense to wade into a loosing situation? I love a good dogfight but dispise a mugging. If confronted with a 5 on one I will extend (i.e. run) hoping to get one or two away from the gaggle so that I can engage on more favorable terms (to me).
I think you oversimplify.
There is also a pilot C that is aware of the situation, knows the strengths of his (or her) aircraft, and will avoid becoming an easy kill to a mob. Better to extend, climb and re-engage when you have a better chance of success that to press in on a "fatal" engagement. Even though we don't really die in the game, isn't it better to land your kills rather than see the pilot that just "killed" you land his (or hers)?
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I disagree... Does it make ANY sense to wade into a loosing situation? I love a good dogfight but dispise a mugging. If confronted with a 5 on one I will extend (i.e. run) hoping to get one or two away from the gaggle so that I can engage on more favorable terms (to me).
I think you oversimplify.
There is also a pilot C that is aware of the situation, knows the strengths of his (or her) aircraft, and will avoid becoming an easy kill to a mob. Better to extend, climb and re-engage when you have a better chance of success that to press in on a "fatal" engagement. Even though we don't really die in the game, isn't it better to land your kills rather than see the pilot that just "killed" you land his (or hers)?
and then there's pilot D that bringsa the right aircraft for the job......furball, spit, zeke, hurri, or other good turners.....buff hunting, bnz, e fighting, wtc, pony, fw, jug, etc....... :aok
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SKYROCK STARTED IT ;) :rofl :rofl
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I disagree... Does it make ANY sense to wade into a loosing situation? I love a good dogfight but dispise a mugging. If confronted with a 5 on one I will extend (i.e. run) hoping to get one or two away from the gaggle so that I can engage on more favorable terms (to me).
I think you oversimplify.
There is also a pilot C that is aware of the situation, knows the strengths of his (or her) aircraft, and will avoid becoming an easy kill to a mob. Better to extend, climb and re-engage when you have a better chance of success that to press in on a "fatal" engagement. Even though we don't really die in the game, isn't it better to land your kills rather than see the pilot that just "killed" you land his (or hers)?
no you are pilot B.A losing situation?? check this out----it is all make believe.the whole thing is a not really happening situation so why act like a chicken over some make believe cartoon planes???
this game is not about landing kills or not landing kills, it's about foolin runners such as yourself who would rather engage when he outnumbers the enemy and fly right at you and 4 others just like you and shooting you all down.Now i can't do that if i am running away.The best part about fighting in a 5 on 1 is there is no one to steal my kills and only me to blame for no check 6.
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I like rogentx and have no problem with how he chooses to fly...i really have no problem with how anybody chooses to spend their time/money and relax.
that being said...why does it bother rogentx that when he chooses a style of flying that means he will not engage over half the planes he will encounter that he may be called out over ch 200???
I like staying alive...but im alot closer to a furballer then i am to a bnz/buffhunter/picker...what that means for me is that I dont fly planes that i am unwilling to engage in...this is a game that is about fighting other virtual planes...if everyone flew in the manner rogentx is describing then fights would be few and everyone would be at 25k...the reason certain folks have success with b-n-z and "picking" is because the majority of the folks like the quick fight and the turn and burn action...dont be shocked that if you fly into these furballs and then "run" away before you ever actually engage that you will upset some of them. honestly seems like common sense to me....
personally i enjoy the fact we have "vulch"/"pick" squads...nothing more fun then figuring out where they are and killing them...i think they add another dimension to the game besides base offense or base defense...the multiple dimensions of aces high is what makes the game "new" every night.
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At this point in my AH fighter career I aint that worried about staying alive and could care less about stats. Many a time Ive turned back to an airplane I had no business doing so but I figured I aint learning nothing by running. If I get shot down? Who cares!
As a general rule however put me in the camp of those who think they should use an airplanes strengths. Thats why I have no real beef against pickers or runners. I pretty much keep it off 200 unless I blow after someone ruins a good 1 on 1 with an HO/ram.
The only reason I dont turn off 200 is because 99% of the time I dont even read whats on it.
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no you are pilot B.A losing situation?? check this out----it is all make believe.the whole thing is a not really happening situation so why act like a chicken over some make believe cartoon planes???
this game is not about landing kills or not landing kills, it's about foolin runners such as yourself who would rather engage when he outnumbers the enemy and fly right at you and 4 others just like you and shooting you all down.Now i can't do that if i am running away.The best part about fighting in a 5 on 1 is there is no one to steal my kills and only me to blame for no check 6.
said awesomely
i say i want to fight red guys for my killz not green
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Skuzzy :aok
Wrong answer.
The question was.................
Someone refresh my memory.
Who was it that said the game was all about pissing the other guy off? :)
..not------> who tripped over the cord? :rofl
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Very funny to see what some post in certain threads, and then watch what they do in the virtual skies. Many time the two don't match. :rolleyes:
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You know those monkeys in the zoo that climb trees to throw their feces at passerbys?
Well, smack talking on 200 is for those who are too lazy to climb a tree.
Call me an old man, but I think constant, insipid smack talk when playing a sport or a game has got to be absolutely the most annoying and disgusting habit that middle America has contracted from the "Gangsta" culture.
Simple solution though, don't tune your radio to "Retarded Lemur Theatre".
HAHAHAHAA! Too lazy to climb the tree...
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they have nothing better to do.....i dont talk on 200 that much...its a good habit!
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I always said if you take the taunts to seriously, either de-tune 200 or try out a game that involves smurf's or barbie and ken.
Kind of like when you started to take CorkyJr seriously the other night and accused him of insulting you by suggesting you try and fight on the deck once in awhile? Did you de-tune 200 or log off to watch the Smurfs and play with your Barbie and Ken dolls?
ack-ack
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Wrong answer.
The question was.................
..not------> who tripped over the cord? :rofl
didn't Mr Hitech himself say that about pissin the other guy off? :D