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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: kilz on March 13, 2008, 04:26:20 PM
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Intel® Core™2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
NVIDIA 8800 Ultra
320GB Performance RAID 0 (2 x 160GB WD Raptor SATA 1.5Gb/s 10,000 RPM HDDs
750 Watt power supply
3GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 4 DIMMs
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
AGEIA® PhysX® physics accelerator
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeGamer (D) Sound Card
i would like to buy this week but would like to get some info from you guys or some suggestions. thanks in advance
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Unless you are running some specialized applications, you would get more bang fo rthe buck from a dual core CPU, rather than a quad core.
I assume you have something in mind or you would not be buying the AEGIA co-processor. Sort of a dead end product and thier financials are not looking all that great.
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I assume you have something in mind or you would not be buying the AEGIA co-processor. Sort of a dead end product and thier financials are not looking all that great.
mainly for the 3D Graphics that i deal with at work. 3D models. is it going to be worth the money to get it. i did not read up on it all that much but was told by a few friends that it does make a diffrence. any other thoghts on something diffrent or just scratch it.
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whats the ram
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If you are only running one application and it is not a streaming application, such as a video renderer, there is little performance to be gained from a quad core over a dual core. A faster dual core will usually win out for all but the very specialized applications.
Which 3D package are you working with?
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whats the ram
4 Gigs of ram
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If you are only running one application and it is not a streaming application, such as a video renderer, there is little performance to be gained from a quad core over a dual core. A faster dual core will usually win out for all but the very specialized applications.
Which 3D package are you working with?
NewTek LightWave v9
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Are you doing any complex rendering? If not, I would get the faster dual-core CPU, but thats just me.
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What sort of stuff you use LW for kilz?
I use Rhinoceros3D for all my CAD work and it's pretty hard on graphics too when it comes to some of the advanced rendering. I've had renders that I have had to leave and come back in an hour or two to see once they have finished :( It's that and AHII that drive pretty much all of my computer upgrades.
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What sort of stuff you use LW for kilz?
I use Rhinoceros3D for all my CAD work and it's pretty hard on graphics too when it comes to some of the advanced rendering. I've had renders that I have had to leave and come back in an hour or two to see once they have finished :( It's that and AHII that drive pretty much all of my computer upgrades.
we do 3D images like people dogs cats cows heck i have done a camel think we can get some better looking sheep in here as well.
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Are you doing any complex rendering? If not, I would get the faster dual-core CPU, but thats just me.
thanks for all your help Roy i did not buy the phyiscs card but i did stay with the quad core. Salute
Should have the parts owwww i say friday and should have it put together monday and give it a test run.
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I would have got one of those new 9800 series. But seems its too late for you now.
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i wait for them to come out first drop in price then buy them plus gives them a chance to work out any and all bugs with the new cards
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I just got one of the 9600 GT's for under 200 bucks. Smoking fast and not much slower than the 8800GTX. Good Move on not getting the Physx. Otherwise nice rig.
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I just got one of the 9600 GT's for under 200 bucks. Smoking fast and not much slower than the 8800GTX. Good Move on not getting the Physx. Otherwise nice rig.
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Intel® Core™2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
NVIDIA 8800 Ultra
320GB Performance RAID 0 (2 x 160GB WD Raptor SATA 1.5Gb/s 10,000 RPM HDDs
750 Watt power supply
3GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 4 DIMMs
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeGamer (D) Sound Card
ok this is my new system it runs great however i think i am missing a setting some where. when i run the game i run low Frame Rates like 20-40 and i get discoed like every hour. any help would be nice thanks in advance.
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Intel® Core™2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
NVIDIA 8800 Ultra
320GB Performance RAID 0 (2 x 160GB WD Raptor SATA 1.5Gb/s 10,000 RPM HDDs
750 Watt power supply
3GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 4 DIMMs
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeGamer (D) Sound Card
ok this is my new system it runs great however i think i am missing a setting some where. when i run the game i run low Frame Rates like 20-40 and i get discoed like every hour. any help would be nice thanks in advance.
Your system should run the fps 100% pegged to whatever refresh you use in your monitor. If you get that low values, your computer is broken somehow. You could have a bad heatsink installation (overheating cpu throttles down) or software trouble (bad antivirus etc.)
You didn't mention which operating system you run?
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how do i set my monitor refresh i never did that
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If you're using winXP, try this:
right click anywhere on your desktop, then --> properties --> settings tab --> advanced button --> Monitor tab. :)
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thanks caz
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now whats going to be a good refresh rate got to many to chose from?
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now whats going to be a good refresh rate got to many to chose from?
If you run CRT (old tube monitor) then you should set the refresh as high as the monitor allows you. Minimum recommended is 85hz. This is because the conventional tube tech flashes and anything below 72hz will give you serious eyestrain and potential headaches. Be aware though that older/cheaper tube monitors can not handle higher resolutions in combination to high refresh rates.
With LCD monitors it's different - they run natively at 60hz but that's not a problem because LCD does not flicker like the tube. You should keep the refresh at 60. I stress however that you should only do this with LCD - tube monitor should be set to 85 or higher if possible.
You should always use only the recommended refresh rates for your monitor - too high refresh can damage your monitor permanently.
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ok all i know is its a samsung and its digital so i will have to take a look when i get home thanks for the help
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Kilz - the older CRT monitors are typically standard aspect ratio (square, not widescreen), and they tend to be a lot thicker that LCDs.
Just check your monitor's model number with the Samsung website and they should be able to tell ya everything you need to know. The model number should be written somewhere on your monitor's exterior.
Also - if you check the "hide modes that this monitor cannot display" checkbox it should limit your choices to the refresh rates that your monitor can handle at your chosen resolution, but you may still want to confirm those choices with Samsung. Never hurts to be cautious, and MrRipley is right - if it's a CRT and you overdo it, you'll wish ya handn't.
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and MrRipley is right - if it's a CRT and you overdo it, you'll wish ya handn't.
ahhhh just gives me a reason to buy the 30" LCD that i been wanting :D
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ok i have my refresh rate set never knew my monitor was an LCD monitor. it said to set it at 60. this however did not fix the poor frame rates and disco problem.
Roy i tried 512 and 256 texture size and that did nothing.
does anyone think my rig could posibly be running slow not to its fulliest? is there a way to check that??
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How do you get 3 Gb Ram on 4 chips? Is it really 4 Gb or is it 3 chips or is Windows only recognizing 3 of 4 Gb? If it's 3 Gb on 3 chips it's running in single channel mode although I wouldn't expect that alone would slow that system down as much as what you're seeing.
Does your motherboard have on-board sound? If so did you disable it before you installed the sound card? That could cause a big enough conflict to slow you down. If it had onboard sound which hasen't been disabled check with the board manufacturer (or in the documentation that came with it) to see how to enter set-up (CMOS) to disable the onboard sound in the BIOS.
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Memory=3070 MB RAM
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Yeah, single channel is painful to handle. In my experience it's less that half the performance you get from a completely dual channel setup. If I had to guess on Kilz's setup, my bet is on 2 X 1 GB sticks and 2 X 512 MB sticks = 3072 MB (even though Windows is only listing it as 3070).
Bald makes a very good point Kilz - you may want to physically verify how many sticks you have in your box before you spend too much time on anything else. It's an easy first step (just pop the case cover off & look inside), and if that's it, it's an easy fix, too.
To be honest, I can think of all kinds of reasons your rig might be hamstrung. If you really want to tackle this issue thoroughly it's going to probably take some real time to get to the bottom of it. A disco vs. a frame rate issue means some 'one thing' could be mucking everything up, or you may have two seperate issues combining to test your sanity. I came to this convo late, so I may not have the entire picture here, but if you just put this machine together you may want to consider benchmarking the various subsystems to get a clearer picture of what's going on.
If the ram and the onboard sound thing doesn't solve your problems Kilz, I might make the following 'next step' suggestions:
First - for the frame rate issue, test other games on your machine. Try to emulate the settings you use in AH2 as closely as possible with other games and see how your rig fares -- do their frame rates also drop precipitously, or is it only in AH2 that you see this behavior? Have you checked to be certain that you're running the latest video drivers? Did you hook up the auxilliary power connector on your video card (probably, or you'd know it by now). What about setting AH2's video settings as low as possible? Does the poor frame rate issue disappear, or is it the same?
Second - the disco issue is tough. Do you have another machine in your house that you can run AH2 on (even if only badly)? If you do, you might try connecting it to the end of the Cat5 cable you're using on your new rig and playing for a bit to see if you get the same frequency of discos. If so, it may not be your machine at all. It could be your router, cable/DSL modem, or overall Internet service. You could benchmark data transfers from one machine to another to verify your throughput is where it should be. Or you could start by eyeing your latency in AH2 as you play. You might even drag your machine to a friend's house if you can't test another machine on your Internet connection. If you use the same machine at a friend's place and the discos disappear - that's a pointer to the possibility that your machine is ok, and the discos are again related to your service/modem/router/cabling.
Or you could check for updated drivers for your motherboard and your network interface card (if you're using a motherboard that has multiple built-in NICs, you could try connecting your cat5 cable to the other NIC and seeing how that goes - just be sure that the other port is enabled in both your system BIOS and in Windows).
I'm sorry to see that you're having issues like this Kilz. In my experience these types of issues can be as troublesome and insidious as the dreaded blue screen'o death. Good luck to you! :salute
-Caz1
Er, P.S. - I didn't see where ya ever answered MrRiply on the OS question? When you picked your poison - which poison pill did you decide to take? Windows XP or Vista? Sounds like XP, but yeah.
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Caz brings up a good point. You could have 4 memory chips in the configuration he mentioned (2x1Gb/2x512mb). In that configuration you are also going to run in single channel mode. You need matched memory sticks installed in pairs to remain in dual channel mode. If that's the configuration you're running simply pull the 512 chips and you'll probably see a performance increase.
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If he's using a 32-bit operating system it's very much possible he sees only 3 gigs inside windows even if he has 2x2gigs installed. However during boot he should see the full 4 gigs.
This or that theres something seriously wrong with the box if the framerates are that low. You should be getting 10x rates.
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Agreed. By comparison I just finished my new system (in another thread in this Forum) which has less horespower than this and I am pegged at my refresh rates in any/all situations.
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thanks for all the help guys. i have a buddy that lives here and he works on computers so he going to swing by and give me a hand. i will let you guys know what we find on it. Salute
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Caz brings up a good point. You could have 4 memory chips in the configuration he mentioned (2x1Gb/2x512mb). In that configuration you are also going to run in single channel mode. You need matched memory sticks installed in pairs to remain in dual channel mode. If that's the configuration you're running simply pull the 512 chips and you'll probably see a performance increase.
did not relize that i pulled the 512 chips and left the 2 1gb chips a little increase in profamnce but not much still drop to 40 to 45 frames and when i shoot for the first time i frezz for a second.
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Did you disable the onboard sound as I mentioned earlier? It sounds like a sound conflict. Also, are you running a custom sound pack in-game? If so remove it and see if that helps.
BTW, if you need more than 2 Gigs of RAM, stick in 4 matched 1 Gig sticks. Windows will only recognize 3-3.5 Gigs of it, but it will remain in dual channel mode (double the speed of single channel).
I doubt the following will make the difference but I also have to ask if you've D/L'd the latest drivers for your video card and installed them and if you've gone to the NVidea control panel to set up the card. Most of the set-up items give you a short description of what they do. I mostly stuck with the default settings (512 Mhz 8800 GTS) although I maxed anti-aliasing and a couple other settings I allowed the application to optimize.
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looking into the on board sound.
now if i go to my control panel for my video card and move the profomance slider to proformance instead of quality i get 100-300 frames but suffer on graphics dramaticly. dont know if that info is any help or not.
and yes all the latiest drivers are in place checked those
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on board sound is disabled
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Make sure that you have directsound acceleration droped a notch from maximum in your directx manager. The freeze when shooting is a typical symptom that can be fixed usually with the trick.
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Make sure that you have directsound acceleration droped a notch from maximum in your directx manager. The freeze when shooting is a typical symptom that can be fixed usually with the trick.
now your speaking geek bro :D
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Just open your start menu, press 'run' and type dxdiag then press enter. You'll get the dxdiagnostics tool. Select sound page and move the slider a notch left.
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did that nothing. hey on my dxdiag report it shows my turtle beach and my xfi two diffrent sound tabs does that matter any?
Is there anyone else using 8800 Ultra????? if so are you running an older driver with it???? maybe the newiest driver is not made to support this game not sure but thought i would throw it out there.
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I'm running the newest 8800 driver with my GTS. It's fine.
Do you have two soundcards installed? If so, pull one.
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ya its my turtle beach head set and my xfi soundcard
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Well, that's likely your problem. I'm sure it's causing a sound conflict. You'll need to pull one or the other out and might have to uninstall the drivers for it as well.
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I usually install minimal components at intitial startup then after those components with the necessary drivers are installed then I defrag. Then restart. Then completely install next component. That way I know what component is suspect.
One component I have had trouble with lately is the Creative Labs XFI soundcard. It a great sound card but on some systems the drivers seem a bit flaky.
I removed the XFI sound card from a working system to get to another component and then reistalled the sound card in the same slot and lost sound. I had to reinstall the drivers to get it to work.
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well i started this machine with out turtle beach just normal headset. i can remove the sound card and go off the on board sound card for now.
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Whatever you do, you can only have one sound source, either one video card with on-board sound disabled, or on-board sound without a seperate sound card. Or you can live with the conflict and the poor performance you're experiencing now.
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how does that explain my machine turning off every 10-20minutes aint nothing more fustrating then you machine turning off then back on when you in the middle of a great dog fight :furious
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how does that explain my machine turning off every 10-20minutes aint nothing more fustrating then you machine turning off then back on when you in the middle of a great dog fight :furious
You have a hardware failure. I would start from checking the CPU temperature from the bios and running memtest86 to check the memory for errors. If you get even one error your ram is bad. If your CPU temperature is over 60 when idle something has gone wrong with your CPU cooler installation. If you overclocked your computer you need to set it back to stock speed as a first thing before trying to find other reasons.
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i have tested all hardware and all checks out good. i will be checking the temps here shortly. bios are set to default by factory standards. i just reset everything to default i am going to see what this does if that doesnt do it then i am checking temps
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Temp will cause that I believe. Check your CPU fan see if it is attached solidly. Also, you may want to take it off clean the heatsink and processor and reapply thermal grease.
That's all I know Kilz. Keep us posted.
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Temp will cause that I believe. Check your CPU fan see if it is attached solidly. Also, you may want to take it off clean the heatsink and processor and reapply thermal grease.
That's all I know Kilz. Keep us posted.
its all brand new bro i have not check temps yet just got home from work blah to tired to do watermelon right now will check them in the morning thanks for the advise bro
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its all brand new bro i have not check temps yet just got home from work blah to tired to do watermelon right now will check them in the morning thanks for the advise bro
It's all brand new but it's broken k? So if you bought it from a shop you should get it fixed. If you built yourself, it's troubleshooting time.
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It's all brand new but it's broken k? So if you bought it from a shop you should get it fixed. If you built yourself, it's troubleshooting time.
yes ripley i know this and between my three jobs i will fix it.
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yes ripley i know this and between my three jobs i will fix it.
Three jobs? Ouch!
I've always wondered how you can do that? I mean don't you sleep or ever go home? Are they all part time or what?
I work a single job from 8 to 16 hours a day..
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How's it going Kilz? Did you get it figured out? Have you tried getting it down to one sound source yet (i.e. one card or onboard only)?
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twas a bad mother board fellas. i have NVIDIA sending me a new one. wierd first one i have ran into that was bad. ow well watermelon happens i guess. funny thing is my old AGP rig still runs the game just poorly and think i got discoed like 10 last night. thanks for all the help fellas