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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BBBB on March 14, 2008, 06:58:57 AM
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I was pricing out one of those new Ruger 380 LCP's and I noticed what looked like an MP5 at the top of the screen. So I clicked the link and this http://www.impactguns.com/store/GSG5.html is what I found. I am not much into .22s, but that is a neat little plinker. The 500$ price tag is a bit much, but at the same time you seem to be getting a pretty slick looking piece for your money.
I looked the company up because I had never heard of them before. It seems they are an airsoft company that has made the leap to real firearms. I thought it was pretty neat so I thought I would share it with everyone.
A video of the little plinker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIfgpDCoGAI
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You sure it's not 22 pellet?
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Dude, I just checked this thing out!!!! I WANT ONE!!!!! .22LR MP5 clone. Going to have to check with my local dealer and see if he can get me one.
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Too rich for my blood. Neat looking shooter but just way too much $.
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22 semi auto carbine? no thanks. full auto in 22 or semi in .40 or .45 and I might be interested.
lazs
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Oh come on Laz, you KNOW you would like to have one to play around with. Not every gun in your collection HAS to have a practical purpose does it??
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naa.. a 22 carbine? rather have an ar7 for impractical that is er... somewhat practical? Shot real mp5's.. they were fun but a semi auto carbine in 22? good for nothing but looks and maybe to take apart... $500 for that level of entertainment is too rich for my blood.. plus....
I could use the room it would take up in my gun safe for better things. Would much rather have a Henry 22 lever gun to match my 44 mag henry than that thing.
lazs
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That's alot of money for a gun that's only real selling feature is that "it looks like an MP5". It's not an MP5. It's a .22 semi-auto and those can be bought for a hell of alot more reasonable of a price and perform a hell of alot better than what they're selling.
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Well excuse me.....I'd gladly spend $500 for one of these things just for the cool factor. What the hell I spent over $3000 for a new computer just so I could play AHII on a super uber machine.
Sometimes you just have to spend some money to have fun because you can't take it with you when your dead.
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3000 for a computer does not equal super uber or even uber... unless your thinking price. Too many folks these days way over pay for computers and guns.
This is a fun package for plinking.. just add red dot sight.
Walther P22 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=93230356)
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I like the little thing. I have read and watched a number of reviews about the gun, it seems it is very reliable for a 22. One reviewer claimed to have over 500 rounds though one with only a single malfunction, which was a shell not igniting.
I am still on the fence about the price. 500$ is a bit pricey for a 22LR. However the neat factor and fun factor I think, really makes the little thing worth the price. I wouldn't hold that price true. That site is hit and miss on prices some times, I am sure if you looked around you could pick one up for around 350 or so. Which for me, would push this thing into the buy category.
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do we really need the image of another black gun... in 22 no less? I would bet that the Henry 22, or just about any other short of a ruger 10/22 would outshoot it with little or no problem..
as for the cool factor? that would last about as long as "hey... neat gun.. what is it? er... 22 long rifle... ah so long.. no.. no thanks you go ahead and shoot it."
lazs
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Woudln`t it be cool if someone made it in say................9mm. :rolleyes:
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I don't think you will ever see it in 9mm. Keeping it in 22 LR makes it easier to pass it off as a "sporting" gun. Laz, I am not sure how you see that gun as an evil black gun. I think the companies idea behind building the gun was to encourage the up and coming age of airsofters to look into real guns.
The idea being that if they will spend 600$ for a replica 6mm BB electric bb gun then they should have no problem dropping 400-500 down on a replica MP-5 22. I think the marketing behind this is brilliant. I think there is a whole market for this with companies like these making replica AK 47s, AR-15s and the like as scaled down .22's.
This is a win/win for the gun world I think. You attract more shooters to the sport, even if their choice of firearm is slightly different than the traditionalist plinker. These types of people, the hard core airsofters buy real sighting systems for their fake guns. Most of the time the sights are worth more than the guns themselves. These same types will most likely have no problem doing the same with a tricked out .22 that looks like an MP5, UZI, P-90..ect, ect.
Laz, you need to open your mind. You are so close minded you miss out on a lot of thing. Just because you grew up shooting a lever action Henry .22, that doesn't mean the rest of us want to do the same. Before you knock this little plinker you might want to take a look at some of the reviews it is getting. Accuracy is really good as is reliability. You can't load up a 30 round mag and spit lead down range as fast as you can squeeze a trigger with the Henry or the 10/22. You can not load optics or flash lights, ect on the 10/22 or Henry plinker's. So like I said the neat factor is there. Open your eyes dude, get out a bit more there is a whole new world to embrace.
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You sure it's not 22 pellet?
Does that look like a pile of pellets below the rifle in the photo???
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If I am going to spend that much money, I'm going to get something more practical, such as an EXCEL ARMS Accelerator Rifle in 17 HMR. That gun really is not set up to handle any kind of optical sights, while the Acceleartor has a Weaver rail built right into the top of the gun, making mounting optics a snap. Plus, the 17 HMR round really rocks, as it is so very accurate and flat shooting.
You can see in this photo how easy it is to mount sights:
(http://www.excelarms.com/images/555_mr_angled_red_dot.jpg)
And here is a view with a scope mounted:
(http://www.excelarms.com/images/465_3.jpg)
And another view:
(http://www.excelarms.com/images/555_7.jpg)
(http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/094894000/94894614/pix118406312.jpg)
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bbbb.. I did not grow up with a Henry 22 lever.. or any 22 lever for that matter.. For 22's we used the pump and semi autos of the day. we also had some good bolt guns that would outshoot any of the semi autos.. mostly tho.. in 22.. I used pistols woodsmans and high standards.
I am not close minded on the subject.. I have no problem with black guns in any way.. I have no problem with submachine guns or real assault rifles..
It is not me that is close minded.. you need to look at the politicans and gun grabbers.. I really am tired of looking at some black gun on the news being held high by some politico or police chief as "proof" we need more gun laws. I don't need some kid using that black 22 at a school shooting cause it make him look like some dark avenger better than a bolt or pump 22
I don't see it as a "win/win" at all. I see it as more ammo for the finestiens and UN gun grabbers.
I could be wrong tho.. maybe the rubber pellet guys will want to go to a real "black gun" I just hope they don't try to shoot it in the backyard or at the park.
Like I said.. buy one if you like.. I have no use for it. It is one of the few guns I have no desire to even shoot much less suck $500 out of my bank account and take up valuable space in my safe.
Like I said.. I have shot real full auto 9mm mp5's.. I will again.. they were fun. not as fun as some others but pretty fun.
This is not new in any case.. they made 22 rimfire versions of the uzi a while back and even make a 22 rimfire fake m16.
The "cool factor" most of you talk about it the "making anti gun guys freak out factor".. that is not a win win in my opinion.
Still.. I will, to the best of my ability, defend your right to own a 22 rimfire fake black gun in semi auto or even full auto if you could get one.
I wish everyone owned as many guns as they wanted and of any type.
lazs
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If you like a nice plinker, I will sell you my M1 Carbine. Nice and accurate...
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I don't think you will ever see it in 9mm.
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Ya think not? No more MP5s?
That was sarcasm bud. :rofl
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ROFL
Ya think not? No more MP5s?
That was sarcasm bud. :rofl
What I mean is, that company will never make it in 9mm. I am aware there are MP5s. They also come in .40 and 10mm versions too..Your attempt at sarcasm was poorly worded. Because "it" would be a "scaled down" MP5. Which means it is smaller than the actual MP5. I doubt anyone will make "it", a scaled down plinker, in 9mm..40 or 10mm versions. So yeah, no 9mm versions of "it". :aok
On a side note, there was a company a while back called Special Weapons (several companies really, all spawned by the same guy with poor business practices) that tried to market MP5 clones. They pretty much marketed H&K clones in general. The problem was the owner of the company is a con man who literately lied and stole money from customers. He took money for gun orders and then the customer never got their gun. A few lawsuits were filed before he finally got his act together..sorta and started actually producing and delivering on his promises..again, sort of.
The weapons themselves were crap. I have fired the SWA5 which Mr. Bailey claims is better than H&Ks MP5. The weapon did not live up to the claim. It was total garbage. It was poor quality and it was a weapon he is marketing to police SWAT teams as better quality for less than a real MP5.
Todd Bailey and his wife have been banned from just about every firearm related forum out there. They have no friends in the industry and Mr. Bailey claims he is the victim of slander and lies about him and his companies and that his products are top notch. A lot of people disagree with that statement. Myself included.
Situations like this leave a bad taste in the mouths of shooters. I am glad someone is jumping back into the this market and is actually delivering on what they are advertising. Even if it is only a .22LR it is a step in that direction and I like the idea.
Laz, I agree with you, this whole thing could go up in smoke if some emo went rambo in a school or mall somewhere. However I feel this is a threat to just about any semi auto gun out there. There are more than enough bargain basement 9mm semi auto carbines out there that it is more likely they will go for those over some tricked out .22.
If you look at the history of public mass shootings in the US you see one thing come up again and again. The weapons in question are normally owned by the parents of the kid in question. So you end up with an array of guns being used. Which gives fire power to the Hilliary types..I mean anti gun types out there.
So I doubt this little plinker will end up being used to spray some mall with fire. At least I hope it never does. Nobody can predict the future and I am not about to lay negativity on a gun because it looks like something some emo might use to feel better about themselves though a school shooting or something like that.
To each is his own. I will most likely never buy one of these .22, unless I come across one in a gun store for a couple of hundred dollars less than it is listing for currently. So I can see why you wouldn't want to drop 500$ on a plinker. I wouldn't, but I did think it was neat and worth taking a look at.
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If you like a nice plinker, I will sell you my M1 Carbine. Nice and accurate...
How much?
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What I mean is, that company will never make it in 9mm. I am aware there are MP5s. They also come in .40 and 10mm versions too..Your attempt at sarcasm was poorly worded. Because "it" would be a "scaled down" MP5. Which means it is smaller than the actual MP5. I doubt anyone will make "it", a scaled down plinker, t.
Woot! Sarcasm police. :rofl
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Woot!
That says it all right there..
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That says it all right there..
Not really. It left out Sarcasm police.
I think you might be confusing Woot with wOOt......................but I will overlook it. :rofl
If you want one of the MP5 lookalike plinkers get it. I`m all for you.
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Hate to drag an on thread out of existence but I also hate to start a new topic when this has been mentioned.
GSG5, I bought one. the pk pistol version. being 2009 and it's on the ban list for the legislation that hasn't passed, I paid retail for it. There is no discount on this firearm now.
I gotta tell you though. It's well made. almost 6 lbs. empty. threaded barrel. nice gun. It's a plinker for me. I have real guns for OTHER purposes. don't' sweat that statement, I'm on several lists already and I don't care. I just wanted another .22 to have fun with. Besides, it's the one gun I would sell if TSHTF.
Truthfully I went looking at the Sig Arms Mosquito, but the Grip was too small for my hand. so was the Ruger, Browning, Beretta and Walther. (all .22lr) just looking for something cheap to shoot since I don't (yet) reload.
I gotta say it's a cool gun, and I'm 37. I should be past that. Naw. LOL.
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threaded barrel
I was wonder if that an integrated suppressor on it?
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nah it's just for looks and to extend the barrel to meet the minimum barrel length requirements for NFA (national firearms act) purposes. Otherwise it would be a short barreled rifle and be subject to all sorts of taxes and legal hoops to jump through to own one. NFA regulates both short barreled rifles and suppressors = big taxes and paperwork and pain in the ass.
Nobody has even mentioned the training value of some of these new .22's coming out. Not a lot of us can afford to shoot 100's of rounds every weekend to practice with our preferred rifles, but a .22 conversion means that for 20 bucks you can shoot all day doing all kinds of stuff that would be cost prohibitive with a centerfire round. Pretty sweet, and with today's ammo prices a lot of these weapons and conversions will pay for themselves in 1 or 2 thousand rounds.
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Now if I could get ahold of a p90 full auto, I would be happy :) BUT unfortunately it's illegal. :(
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When it comes to hitting someone in the brain pan .22 longs are the best ammo you can get for your buck.
Com'on a brick of 50 shots is way cheap vs. the larger cal weapons.
The fps are great, the range of the projectile is great, the ONLY thing i dislike is the light round can get knocked off course by a small breeze, but the cost and ammo clip of more .22 riles make it easy to sling multiple rounds down range with ease.
We also had hollow point rounds, scatter rounds (had a blue clear tip, with multiple shot inside for rattle snake huntin') and my favy, the steal core rounds, punching a hole into a cars engine block (deep deep dent) is a fairly nice thing to see from a .22 round fire at 50 yards or so.
I say again, people have been known to be plugged with multiple .22 rounds and live to tell about it, its not a killer round..but dang it you'll know when you are hit by one, and most of those are .22 shorts.( BOOOO )
And i guess thats the point, what other kinda gun can you shoot someone 8 times feel GREAT about it and not have a death sentence on your hands for murder.
1 .45 = life in prison/death row
8 .22 = Big fine, small jail time (i guess as small as one can get for attempted murder) and a smile on your face for a very long time.(If you can still smile after years of anal rape).
Shucks.
P.S. In my tiny little ego tystical mind the single shot .22 rifles are some of the best small light simple weapons made, the others that carry 12-25-50 round mag's are mostly all semi automatic, great for some trigger pulling time, but they chew through ammo, and even a lil' kick can put your aim off in the end,when firing them all day long.
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How old do you have to be to get a gun permit? I am turing 18 in July. One of my dads friends owns a orignal M1 Carbine that i really really like, and he mentioned to me last time we went shooting that he is going to put it on sale soon.
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That reminds me ... what ever happened to my quest to get an American 180? :pray
... and what the heck Laz is doing here anyway :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xHntTerlpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xHntTerlpg)
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How old do you have to be to get a gun permit? I am turing 18 in July. One of my dads friends owns a orignal M1 Carbine that i really really like, and he mentioned to me last time we went shooting that he is going to put it on sale soon.
This is one of the anti-gun myths. You don't need a permit to own a gun, just be over 18. Valid ID is all you need in VA from what I know. Just be glad your not in Kalifornia, where you almost need a body cavity search to walk in a gun store.
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This is one of the anti-gun myths. You don't need a permit to own a gun, just be over 18. Valid ID is all you need in VA from what I know. Just be glad your not in Kalifornia, where you almost need a body cavity search to walk in a gun store.
Not only that, if someone buys you a gun, you can legally own a long gun at 16 and a handgun at 18. Now thats in MO and I know it's a states rights thing so ymmv. you can legally shoot a firearm at any age though with adult supervision under 16 I believe?
Anyway I rolled back up in here to give the range report on the GSG-5. Factory rear sight needed adustment right out of the box. Recoil as expected is nil. This gun is very heavy. 6 lbs. unloaded. definately need two hands to fire accurately. It's a fun gun, but not much use except as a plinker, it feels best shooting from the hip. I've never shot another gun ever that felt like that. The only reason it has a threaded barrel it the flash supressor threads onto it, as said supressor will not fit in the box attatched to the gun, a thread protector threads on in its place for transport. I bought a couple of the 22 round magazines for it and after the first loading, both mags then held 24 rounds each without a problem. Zero misfires in my hands. Ran like a champ until I let my 9yo daughter shoot it. (actually I made her) At that point she got one fte. No problem though, stripped the mag, ran the bolt, and problem solved. Good practice for fte but she limped it, I watched her. I ran about 100 rounds through it, which I know isn't much, but I ran out of stuff to shoot and was tired of target shooting with it.
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Sig, Those 220's in your avatar have what type of finish on them? I cant tell from the glare but it looks like it has a standard blue finish.
I have the 226 9m with tritium's and just love it, the one I have has a flat mat finish to minimize any reflections. During my tour working with specops guys and getting to use them as our standard issue secondary it just made sense to own one.