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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Oldman731 on March 17, 2008, 03:24:05 PM
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....when I want to say “I don’t care who started it, stop it now!”
Nine weeks after Fork came up with a nice new concept that drew a big crowd, and after he and Soda have put so much time and effort into building and maintaining it, what we have is a handful of chimps screeching and flinging dung at each other. Very disappointing.
At the beginning of this school yard fight the Axis threw a hard punch that hit the Allies on the nose. The Allies yelled “No fair!” They’ve been yelling it since.
It wasn’t within the Axis players’ makeup to be gracious in victory. “You suck!” has been the substance of their discussion, in the arena and on these boards, since the war began.
Now we’re starting to see angry players yell “You cheat!” and “Fine, I quit!” and “I don’t want to play this game anymore!”
I observe that Shifty is the person talking the most sense. That scares me.
If I could knock some virtual heads together I’d do it. I’ve watched five-year old kids' soccer teams that had more maturity than what I’m seeing in this place.
So I wish you would all just stop it and see if it is even remotely possible for you to pretend to be just a bit older than you’re acting.
- oldman (kicks a dog)
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....when I want to say “I don’t care who started it, stop it now!”
Nine weeks after Fork came up with a nice new concept that drew a big crowd, and after he and Soda have put so much time and effort into building and maintaining it, what we have is a handful of chimps screeching and flinging dung at each other. Very disappointing.
At the beginning of this school yard fight the Axis threw a hard punch that hit the Allies on the nose. The Allies yelled “No fair!” They’ve been yelling it since.
It wasn’t within the Axis players’ makeup to be gracious in victory. “You suck!” has been the substance of their discussion, in the arena and on these boards, since the war began.
Now we’re starting to see angry players yell “You cheat!” and “Fine, I quit!” and “I don’t want to play this game anymore!”
I observe that Shifty is the person talking the most sense. That scares me.
If I could knock some virtual heads together I’d do it. I’ve watched five-year old kids' soccer teams that had more maturity than what I’m seeing in this place.
So I wish you would all just stop it and see if it is even remotely possible for you to pretend to be just a bit older than you’re acting.
- oldman (kicks a dog)
I didn't want to say it...
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I'll second the motion!! I'm even getting along with shifty!! go figure!! :aok
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I was completely oblivious to everything until just a few moments ago lol
I don't have the energy for a vendetta, the best I can do is try and poke Odee in the eye once a day. :) I login, I have a great time with my squad, try to shoot down red guys, and log off.
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Sorry Oldman (grabs dog and scurries him away :uhoh), and you have done a great job in getting interest in the arena :rock
I am still kicking nicotene the old fashion way (cold turkey :furious). Anyone who has ever experienced it might understand (I pray that you never have to live with a person going through it :pray). Funny, I was going to PM you today to make some apologies / demands :D. I better have a cig instead.
I agree with you 100 %.
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....they started it.
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If this were htc's only arena, all of this would have been brought to a screeching halt a long time ago.
It just baffles me why the AvA staff apparently isn't allowed a free hand to moderate their arena and forum as it implies that both the staff, and htc condone this behavior.
Someone might be a good wingman, or a fun fight, but it's not worth letting the the 5 or 6 problem people stay if they poison the environment for the rest, and they're feeding on each others jabs. Until the staff has a free hand to mute players or boot them in extreme cases, and moderate their forum, I don't expect any real changes. For some, the game IS needling the other guy and the arena is only the sandbox for their favorite kind of play.
A sincere :salute to the AvA staff, I'd never want that job with your player base.
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I observe that Shifty is the person talking the most sense. That scares me.
- oldman (kicks a dog)
Maybe we should all run out and get a lottery ticket. :D
If I may say something about all this, and this is my no BS opinion.
JG-54 you should stay where you are. We cannot stop you from coming over, but you won't be of any help to what ails us.
Also if you do come that's your decsison, not ours. We didn't ask for your help.
Most of us are not as quite beat down as you may think. So a special plane request like the F4U1A should not be honored.
We're not the ones asking for help but we are the ones that have flown over here. The rides we have should be good enough for you.
If you do come and a decision is made for the F4U1A in the next round, then fine.
To be honest you've given us no breaks, why should you recieve one like a an aircraft request when you come over. Fly what we fly if you're going to be part of us.
And if you are still going to be part of us, then all I can say is Welcome Aboard.
<S>
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you are wrong OM. no one is screeching well except one player that I can see. that player suffers from tourettes and is probably off of his meds.
I suggest we all quit feeding the troll.
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I suggest we all quit feeding the troll.
It would be easier if the Axis would stay on their side of the fence. As it is, well the whole melodramatic event is spinning completely out of control, eh? All I can do is have faith that some semblence of normality will resume once VF-17 is running like a Rolex. :)
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I'd enter the AvA arena again if things settled down and people started to be more mature. But until then, :salute both Axis and Allies. See you when the time comes!
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i say we just have a giant battle to the death!!!!! :devil :devil :devil :aok :aok :aok i'm in :salute
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you are wrong OM. no one is screeching well except one player that I can see. that player suffers from tourettes and is probably off of his meds.
I suggest we all quit feeding the troll.
If the troll is who he is suspected to be, he's not worth a talking about ever again.
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i say we just have a giant battle to the death!!!!! :devil :devil :devil :aok :aok :aok i'm in :salute
I thought that was always the point. Virtually speaking. ;)
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Chains, knifes, or guns?
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Chains, knifes, or guns?
My aircraft are equipped with guns, cannons and bombs. Even my tanks have cannons. And the PTs .... seeing a pattern here. Feel free to bring a chain or knife. To be quite honest it may help .... me. :D
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Thats what you think. :cool:
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There are places I remember .... arenas,
Though some have changed,
Some forever, not for better,
Some have gone and some remain.
All these places had their moments
With vulches and HOs I still can recall.
Some dweebs died yet still kept living.
Gave my life to one and all.
But of all these goofs and ho-tards,
There is no one compares with you,
And these memories lose their meaning
When I think of AvA as something new.
Though I know I'll never ever win the war now
For bases and ships the enemy pour,
I know I'll waste my time to think about them,
In my Hog I'll love you more.
:D
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A sincere :salute to the AvA staff, I'd never want that job with your player base.
I get it, even if no one else does. There are only 2 sides deviating from arena play everywhere else except in Snapshot events. Unlike a snapshot, the ongoing battle brings out the worse in some. Fatigue, frustration, demands for strategic command (with minute to minute battle plans), and the balancing act (matching AH2 pilot and plane performance with historical concept in mind) has polarized viewpoints.
I have fought on both sides and there are excellent folks on both. I suggest that we uncomplicate the thing, so we can get back to what we like to do here, DOGFIGHT. Take away the need to grab land by reseting it or disabling it all together. Keep the field ack up so that vulching is removed from the playbook. Do these things, and you will see the good folks on both sides working together to get their fighters in the air. Make the targets of interest the strats. You will see bombers with fighter cover and defenders engaging full scale. Much more fun than pounding the stuffing out of a few guys so that you can claim a victory. Do this and folks will get satisfaction in playing the game more so than running off with the mouth.
I agree with Easycor that AvA staff has a uniqe player base, but that is not really a bad thing imo. Energy has to be channeled properly, I hope we are not channeling Attilla the Hun :D
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I get it, even if no one else does. There are only 2 sides deviating from arena play everywhere else except in Snapshot events. Unlike a snapshot, the ongoing battle brings out the worse in some. Fatigue, frustration, demands for strategic command (with minute to minute battle plans), and the balancing act (matching AH2 pilot and plane performance with historical concept in mind) has polarized viewpoints.
I have fought on both sides and there are excellent folks on both. I suggest that we uncomplicate the thing, so we can get back to what we like to do here, DOGFIGHT. Take away the need to grab land by reseting it or disabling it all together. Keep the field ack up so that vulching is removed from the playbook. Do these things, and you will see the good folks on both sides working together to get their fighters in the air. Make the targets of interest the strats. You will see bombers with fighter cover and defenders engaging full scale. Much more fun than pounding the stuffing out of a few guys so that you can claim a victory. Do this and folks will get satisfaction in playing the game more so than running off with the mouth.
I agree with Easycor that AvA staff has a uniqe player base, but that is not really a bad thing imo. Energy has to be channeled properly, I hope we are not channeling Attilla the Hun :D
What you just said was the old CT/AvA before this war. We all know how that turned out.
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Strats impact the ability to maintain critical supplies (fuel, ammo, troops, ord as supplied by said strat factories, depots, etc) *as well as* research points accumilated and devoted to equipment improvement. For example ... if a map offers enough strat on each side then the command structure can designate factory "A" to develop a newer model of 190, refineries obviously supply fuel and are already hardwired into the game to affect replenishment, troop depots do the same for troops, ammo factoried for ammo, etc (all that remains the same and affects downtime on a field). *Don't* make base capture doubly hard by making object regeneration less than 45 minutes *and* increasing troops needed for capture. If I had my druthers it'd be troop capture increase only. Command structures still designate what they want to develop, be it a plane model (or models) or a gv type (or types). Have strats provide enough potential points for more than three models to be worked on but stretching resources thin by having too many projects presents their opponents with an opportunity to do smaller amounts of damage over a broader number of targets to reduce R&R production just enough to prevent *any* new introduction of equipment. Redundant production increases the odds of new equipment development.
This was an old plan I worked up years ago. And there's more.
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I think what Oldman is trying to say is:
Would you CHILDREN stop arguing and fight like grown-ups!?
I tried. I really did, but I ended up fighting like a complete dweeb. Still landed two kills my second time up in a HeckFeline. I tell ya, those Ju-87s are GOOD!
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chilli the ackllieds would love nothing better than to circle in their uberack. I believe the staff have the ack set up correctly as it is.
the ackllieds need to get their **** together and fight!! last night the axis were out numbered at 2.6:1 for the duration of my involvement and even then they only managed to take three Vbases.
if they would just step away from the ack and attack they would do better thus ending the frustration of which you speak.
my theory is that it is not within the makeup of players who gravitate to the easy rides to be aggressive enough to win.
it really has nothing to do with balance or planes but with the individual players initiative.
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chilli the ackllieds would love nothing better than to circle in their uberack. I believe the staff have the ack set up correctly as it is.
the ackllieds need to get their **** together and fight!! last night the axis were out numbered at 2.6:1 for the duration of my involvement and even then they only managed to take three Vbases.
if they would just step away from the ack and attack they would do better thus ending the frustration of which you speak.
my theory is that it is not within the makeup of players who gravitate to the easy rides to be aggressive enough to win.
it really has nothing to do with balance or planes but with the individual players initiative.
Ahh eveything's back to normal. :D
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:D
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A big
for trying Oldman!
Venom
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This thread has its origins in, and reeks of, hubris. The idea that any way but my way is the wrong way. And why is it the wrong way? Because it is not my way. Now replace the word wrong with any derogatory word: childish, dweebish, stupid... It's still circular thinking - and arrogant.
One may argue that most people don't like it so it must be wrong. Well nothing will make one more universally disliked than telling the truth. Are we to conclude that being truthful is wrong?
What is more childish, squabbling about inconsequential crap in a silly game or being bothered by squabbling about inconsequential crap in a silly game. Is complaining about complaining less irritating. Is deriding the derisive somehow noble? Is it even logical to expect our heterogeneous populous to conform.
Nobody "started it". There is no beginning. No end. It is what it is and always will be until it isn't anymore.
KONG tired. KONG haz cookie and nap now.
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Asking adults to act like adults, and being disgusted that they refuse to is hardly hubris.
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Asking adults to act like adults, and being disgusted that they refuse to is hardly hubris.
The way adults act determines what it is to act like adults. Assuming your opinion of "acting like an adult" is the correct one is hubris. I am disgusted that you are disgusted that they refuse to think like you.
Leaves me alone, Iz napping now.
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Kong's got his own circular logic going, justify something is the way it is, and will always be that way, simply because it is the way it is. False logic and false argument
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Krusty's logic kung fu is strong...
:rock
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Logic made simple, Fire...BAD, Beer...GOOD!
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Come on KONG, you are not really a moral relativist. Even you must concede that there are things that are clearly right and wrong.
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Kong's got his own circular logic going, justify something is the way it is, and will always be that way, simply because it is the way it is. False logic and false argument
Gravity is the way it is, and will always be that way, simply because it is the way it is.
I didn't justify anything, you added that yourself, it's human nature.
Human nature is the way it is, and will always be that way, simply because it is the way it is.
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Come on KONG, you are not really a moral relativist. Even you must concede that there are things that are clearly right and wrong.
You first.
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No doubt I see more grey area than most but I also know there is black and white, right and wrong.
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No doubt I see more grey area than most but I also know there is black and white, right and wrong.
I'm listening...
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aren't you reading?
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Actually I'm trolling :D
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True humility is intelligent self respect which keeps us from thinking too highly or too meanly of ourselves. It makes us modest by reminding us how far we have come short of what we can be.
Certain replies to Oldman's humble opinion, are far from any respect. Some here need to learn that first. I've learned the hard way, many many times to my own detriment. Furthermore, others think they're great, but are far from it wallowing in their own hubris.
:salute to those who think of others first, and themselves last, like Oldman.
Cheers.
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Certain replies to Oldman's humble opinion, are far from any respect. Some here need to learn that first. I've learned the hard way, many many times to my own detriment. Furthermore, others think they're great, but are far from it wallowing in their own hubris.
:salute to those who think of others first, and themselves last, like Oldman.
Cheers.
And if I must say it, it's people like Oldman who helps put things in perspective for us staffers. He's efforts are always appreciated.
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Certain replies to Oldman's humble opinion, are far from any respect.
Would that be your passive aggressive way of saying that you disrespect opinions with which you don't agree? Which "certain replies" are you referring to? When did you become the arbiter of all respect? Aren't you "thinking to highly" of yourself to decide these things for everybody else. In all fairness wouldn't the opinions I expressed in this thread be considered more humble being that I don't presume to tell people how they should act or what they should like?
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As with any of the arenas, it's what each player brings to the game that they can impact on the most. Oldman appears to be asking folks to look past the tip of their own noses and realize that how they present themselves, good or bad, makes a difference...good or bad.
The amazing thing for me in the arenas is that folks have to take the time to type their comments, so it's not an accident what they say. Sometimes saying nothing is the best way to go for the sake of everyone playing.
I do understand that many folks have their ego's far too wrapped up in what happens in Aces High. I also realize that folks enjoy setting off other folks just to see them blow up.
How you balance that with letting everyone get the most enjoyment possible from the game is the hard part.
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As with any of the arenas, it's what each player brings to the game that they can impact on the most. Oldman appears to be asking folks to look past the tip of their own noses and realize that how they present themselves, good or bad, makes a difference...good or bad.
The amazing thing for me in the arenas is that folks have to take the time to type their comments, so it's not an accident what they say. Sometimes saying nothing is the best way to go for the sake of everyone playing.
I do understand that many folks have their ego's far too wrapped up in what happens in Aces High. I also realize that folks enjoy setting off other folks just to see them blow up.
How you balance that with letting everyone get the most enjoyment possible from the game is the hard part.
Well said Guppy. Sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. But those few have a hard time seeing that which is sad. It's usually the few that often have the most to bring. :(
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In all fairness wouldn't the opinions I expressed in this thread be considered more humble being that I don't presume to tell people how they should act or what they should like?
Negative, its double talking crap. You obviouly have not been getting enough attention today or have been neglecting your trolling.
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Ok it's my second choice, but how about Ginger?
(http://www.momsorganichouse.com/images/organickitchen/tinalouise.jpg)
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No Mrs Howel?
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Kinky..
But I like it.
Maybe the way all these nancies are throwing their purses around, a couple shots of Gilligan rubbing cocoa butter on the skipper will do the trick.
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Maybe the way all these nancies are throwing their purses around, a couple shots of Gilligan rubbing cocoa butter on the skipper will do the trick.
See KONG, Bug just gave us a real world example. What he just said in the quote above...is just WRONG plain and simple. :D
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See KONG, Bug just gave us a real world example. What he just said in the quote above...is just WRONG plain and simple. :D
Not true, Kong is going to point out that he enjoys watching Gilligan lather up the Skipper and should be allowed. If it is something that disgusts you, just look away.
Or I could always just send Kong the picture in a PM.
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Or I could always just send Kong the picture in a PM.
please do :pray
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What I was trying to say TK, and I think Arlo was very close to my thinking :rock, the act of taking a base at all costs, encourages less sporting engagements. This game has so many unexplored strategy points of interest, maybe shifting the weight of Base capture in importance, will bring back more of what we LOVED about the old CT and AvA, and more sporting conduct which is the point of the discussion here.
Let's face it, Base capture as it is requires, overwhelming force, sneak attacks on undefended fields, or in the best scenario, brutal furball slugfest and lots of luck.
The air starts, was a exceptional idea that I haven't seen lately. Now, that imo created some good fights that I would like to see more of.
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Bug,
Oh..poom... pe...dooo She wants to be loved by me, By me and nobody else but ME :cool: So, watch it professor.
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Let's face it, Base capture as it is requires, overwhelming force, sneak attacks on undefended fields, or in the best scenario, brutal furball slugfest and lots of luck.
that is the best part of this game.In the Main Arena i have seen 40 Vs. 40 for one field which lasted over 12 hours, heck maybe even more time than that, but it was fun.That NOE crap is for Noobs who are too scared fight for a field.
BTW the new meaning of " NOE " is
No
Opposition
Expected
:aok
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...That NOE crap is for Noobs who are too scared fight for a field.
Takes a little skill staying under 100' at 300+mph over rolling terrain so you don't bust the DAR... Doing it with 16 planes in formation is even more fun.
But you are right... Only sissies and me, fly NOE to surprise a target.