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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hornet33 on March 21, 2008, 12:49:50 AM
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Thu Mar 20 2008, 9:52 PM ET
WEST COVINA, Calif. - A woman made a 911 call from her suburban mansion to report an attempted break-in, but her pleas were interrupted by gunshots, then silence: She had been shot to death.
The woman told the dispatcher late Wednesday morning that someone was trying to break into her home in upscale West Covina, Los Angeles County sheriff's Lt. Dan Rosenberg said.
"Deputies heard gunshots followed by silence and an open phone line," he said.
Investigators combed the neighborhood Thursday outside the three-story house with a tennis court, pool and four-car garage. Investigators examined the opening mechanism of the driveway's black iron gates, and later a repairman worked on the gates.
The victim was identified as Hsiao Hsu, 45, said Sheriff's Department spokesman Ed Hernandez.
Sheriff's deputies responding to the call entered the home and found the victim. She was pronounced dead at the scene. One or more males were reported seen running away from the house, the Sheriff's Department said.
The San Gabriel Valley Tribune carried a report describing a man who came to the scene about an hour after the shooting and asked deputies, "Is my wife OK? Did you find the guy?"
The man collapsed and cried out, "No! No! No! She just called me, you lie," the newspaper said. A patrol car drove the man away.
A KABC-TV report showed an investigator in the neighborhood examining what appeared to be a handgun under a shrub.
The house is east of Los Angeles in an unincorporated area where many homes stand well back from roads, with tall hedges and gates. Horses stood quietly in a corral at one neighborhood home Thursday.
A neighbor said a couple recently occupied the home, described on real estate Web sites as being nearly 6,000 square feet and having recently sold for more than $2 million.
"They moved in only about six months ago. I've only seen them drive in and out," said Ronald Wheeler, 57, who lives across the street.
Irene and Jesus Marquez, who live nearby, said the family has two children.
"They were really nice, good people," said Irene Marquez.
I wonder what would have happened had she been able to have a firearm in her house and the law allowed her to use it to protect herself?? Instead she was required to to call the police to help her and now shes dead.
This is the sort of thing that happens when guns are taken out of the law abiding citizens hands. Now I knwo it doesn't mention anything about the woman not having a gun, but the truth is there all the same.
The police can't protect you when someone breaks into your home....only you have the ability to effect the outcome provided you have the proper tools at your disposal.
Someone should drop this news artical off at the Supreme Court for the justices to read before they render their official position on the 2nd Ammendment. Kinda makes you think huh???
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The police can not travel faster than a bullet. Make sure you're armed with your own.
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Remember, EVERYONE understands a bullet. If someone breaks into your house, shoot first, then call the police. In texas, you cant get in trouble if you shoot them IF they are IN your house WITH the intent to harm you. One of the greater things about living in Texas :salute
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Home intrusions are not very common, but of course they still happen. I think it would give the homeowner a much better chance if they had three things at his (or her) disposal. First, a pump shotgun. These are legal in all states I believe. Second, a pair of night vision goggles. I have some that are night vision/infrared, only cost $125. Third, the homeowner would need quick access to a circuit panel. When you think someone is breaking in, simply dawn the night vision goggles, shut off the power, and investigate the darkened house with gun in hand.
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The last two posts made me laugh out loud-thanks guys.
Angels-Check your laws, Texas is tougher with the laws than you describe it from what I have read here.
Aqua, great strategy- you run around looking for spec ops gear and the breaker box while he's shooting you and stealing your stuff.
Sorry guys, not my plan.
There's no knife in da buttcrack, it's just: Bedside...pistol...period
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Home intrusions are not very common
Hope that was an attempt at humor..................or baiting the lines.
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From dallasnews.com.
"Frisco home intruder shoots man after confrontation
11:58 PM CDT on Thursday, March 20, 2008
From staff reports
A Frisco man was shot in his home by an intruder Thursday evening, minutes after returning from work, police said.
8400 block of Hickory Street
Steven Geddie, 24, heard someone breaking into the back door of his home in the 8400 block of Hickory Street around 6 p.m., police said. He told police he grabbed a shotgun and confronted the man in a hallway.
he two exchanged gunfire, and the intruder fled. Mr. Geddie suffered a minor wound in his left arm and refused to be taken to the hospital for treatment, police said.
He said the intruder, possibly a Hispanic or Asian man, was wearing a red bandana over his face, a Dallas Cowboys cap, a gray-and-white jacket and jeans.
Anyone with information is asked to contact Frisco police at 972-292-6010."
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We hear of stories like this all the time. It's saddens me to think that a person isn't safe in their own home. I scares me that when I work late at night, my wife is home alone with her little "ankle bitter" dog.
The state I live in, if you don't have all of your firearms locked & secured, they can revoke your license and seize your weapons. So much for being ready in case an intruder does decide to break in. "Excuse me Mr. Dirt bag. Can you hold off for a minute while I unlock my trigger lock to shoot you?" I wonder if they had a security system in place. Would that have either scared the guy away or given the homeowner precious time to prepare for the intruder.
Obie
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you guys are making too big a thing of it..
The police arrived and the report was taken.. what is the problem?
I also agree that pistol at the nightstand is plenty. I have seen recomendations for a full web gear and kevlar helmet and vest and zip up paratroop boots... along with night vision and maybe some camo makeup already open and ready to put on.
pistol/firearm/flashlight.. just about covers it.
lazs
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Home intrusions are not very common, but of course they still happen. I think it would give the homeowner a much better chance if they had three things at his (or her) disposal. First, a pump shotgun. These are legal in all states I believe. Second, a pair of night vision goggles. I have some that are night vision/infrared, only cost $125. Third, the homeowner would need quick access to a circuit panel. When you think someone is breaking in, simply dawn the night vision goggles, shut off the power, and investigate the darkened house with gun in hand.
Have you ever actually used PVS-7 or PVS-14 units?
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You forgot "watchdog". Dog + firearm + flashlight = no problems.
Odds are with you that an alert watch dog will solve 99% of the potential problems before the break in occurs. For the other 1%, there's Sam Colt to equalize things.
IMO.
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Remember, EVERYONE understands a bullet. If someone breaks into your house, shoot first, then call the police.
speaking from personal experience........ the unmistakably loud sound of the crack, sling, and lock of a shotgun works remarkably well too.
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Yep toad.. a dog is a good thing mostly if it is hyper and in the house. I am unwilling to form my life around taking care of a dog tho.. too much of a commitment but..
the very best dog would just be a tiny little one with good senses that could sleep in the room with you.. one with a really irritating yap yap yap deal going for it.
I don't need the dog to get in the way. I just need it to wake me up.
A dog outside is false security and probly worse than no dog. Don't hear the dog out there? everything must be fine right?
lazs
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I dunno about that man... there is a new type of burglar out there...... home invaders.....and they come in not only to rob...but to attack and perhaps kill. In other words.......they WANT you to know they are in the house. If a dog was there...the audible threat of two loud german sheppards may even scare those cats away...
Dogs = First responders
Shotgun = boomstick
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a delete feature would be nice.
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The very best watchdog I ever had was ............................a cat. The cat would alert on what was going on outside of the house before the Rott I had at the time would.
We now have a minature Daschund that my daughter gave to me after a divorce . (Gus) Gus is a pretty alert little guy. Doesn`t get in your way and is easy to take care of in general.
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Got dogs in the house, so nobody will enter without some "yapping".
Got a gun in the bedroom too, - happens to be where I keep it, that's all.
Don't lock the house though.....
But the dog, yes, a very good idea.
A crossbreed between a border collie and a Labrador will make a very sweet dog, but with a bark of a much bigger one, - sounds like a 150 lbs dog....WOOOFF!
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Don't get me wrong, I do believe total-gun-bans are a BAD thing, (I'm halfway in between the two sides, mild or moderate control has value, but stringent anti-gun laws are ludicrous) but just saying this whole situation could have been prevented by the woman having access to a firearm is a VERY short-sighted statement. We don't know the details of the situation. There's any number of ways she could have had a gun in the house but it still wouldn't have done her a bit of good.
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Have you ever actually used PVS-7 or PVS-14 units?
I would assume not. They have their uses but also have limitations. Tactically, unless its almost completely dark you won't have an advantage. The short field of view is tough on SA as well. In a darker place a sharp flashlight or tactical will blind your opponent thus providing a greater tactical advantage.
Do you really intend to ninja sneak around them to cut power?
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The very best watchdog I ever had was ............................a cat. The cat would alert on what was going on outside of the house before the Rott I had at the time would.
We now have a minature Daschund that my daughter gave to me after a divorce . (Gus) Gus is a pretty alert little guy. Doesn`t get in your way and is easy to take care of in general.
I've never been for the tiny dogs, but I've heard that Dachshunds are interesting dogs.
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I think a dog that has some bark is always a good thing. Keeps the bad guys guessing. Sadly, I had to put my 10 year old sheppard down in December. It was the worst thing I had to do. (On a side note, I was on a call and I saw this sheppard on the side of the road. She followed my cruiser almost a mile. When I got to the residence, the sheppard was sitting next to me. She wouldn't leave my side. Needless to say, she stole my heart right on the spot. I took her home with me that night.) The best damn dog I ever had!
Obie
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That sucks Obie, sorry for your loss.
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Dogs are a good warning system.My Collie goes nuts anytime someone opens the outside screen door.Slightly annoying at times but nobody comes near the house with out him announcing it.Hell a squirrel cant be in the back yard without his radar popping up :rofl
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I've never been for the tiny dogs, but I've heard that Dachshunds are interesting dogs.
I said I didn`t want this one at the time, but the daughter was moving into an apt. and I got soft soaked. :)
Since we have had him we have became big buds. He goes just about everywhere I go. He is a pretty smart little cookie. He loves the boat. You do not even look at the boat slip that he doesn`t take off and wait for his ride. :lol
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Wire Fox Terriers are great in-door watch dogs, but require a lot of attention. If you have an active family, you may want to consider one.
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dogs are a pain in the butt.. they limit your life unless your life is.. taking care of dogs.
that being said.. the smaller the dog the less trouble. It matters not to me what kind.. anything that is alert and yaps will do.
As for home invasion.. same thing.. I don't want some goofy big dogs getting in my way while I am handling the situation.. wake me up and then get out of my way..
saxman.. there is no guarantee that a gun will save you.. or ten locks or a police station next door or 5 dogs and a mountain lion. of all those things tho.. the one you can control the best is a personal weapon.. the more familiar you are with it the better.
lazs
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a mountain lion. hmmm, now there's a thought, kill the intruder and eat the evidence.
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Messy there. I'd like to see your idea of a litter box for it too. You clean it.
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dogs are a pain in the butt.. they limit your life unless your life is.. taking care of dogs.
that being said.. the smaller the dog the less trouble. It matters not to me what kind.. anything that is alert and yaps will do.
As for home invasion.. same thing.. I don't want some goofy big dogs getting in my way while I am handling the situation.. wake me up and then get out of my way..
saxman.. there is no guarantee that a gun will save you.. or ten locks or a police station next door or 5 dogs and a mountain lion. of all those things tho.. the one you can control the best is a personal weapon.. the more familiar you are with it the better.
lazs
Well, you're a cat guy.....but don't expect them to meoww away an intruder...
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That sucks Obie, sorry for your loss.
Thanks R.R.
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Well, you're a cat guy.....but don't expect them to meoww away an intruder...
In an armed invasion the cat would be the best choice. They will get out of your way.Cats have a tendency to run like hell when the poo comes down.
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Shotguns work. intruder hears CLACK CLACK and thinks oh man, this guys prepared, i better get on out.
HOWEVER, as a SFC once told, best home defense weapon is a chain saw.
On the issue of night vision, its kinda impractical. best thing is to have a master switch that turns on all the lights at once except for your room. you can see out, they cant see in.
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In an armed invasion the cat would be the best choice. They will get out of your way.Cats have a tendency to run like hell when the poo comes down.
Actually, it works great if you pick up the cat and throw it at the intruder's face.
Hilarity will ensue!
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I can't imagine using a shotgun for home protection. Sure, they might blow a hole the size of Nebraska in an intruder... but a handgun will still do fine to kill someone if they're breaking into your home ~ plus it allows for a full clip. :)
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Tecnical Data
Calibre: 12 Bore
Weight: 4.1 kg
Barrel length: 570 mm
Lenght: 690 mm
Width: 60 mm
Height: 245 mm
Capacity: 13
Operational: Pump action
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sweet gun :)
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I prefer a shotgun because if you peek around a corner and see bad guys, you can hold the shotgun in front of you without exposing yourself and pull the trigger. Plus most intruders will change their minds once they hear a shotgun cycle.
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I'm sorry, it just seems wrong to use a shotgun to kill a person with. Seems like that's the kind of thing you're supposed to go hunting prey with... I don't necessarily understand why I object more to the type of gun than the actual killing itself.
Good point Xargos, peeking it around the corner does seem to give it a good advantage.
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The only thing better than a shotgun for close range engagement is a flame thrower and those are illegal. Also in my situation, apartment living, I also have to consider over penetration of a round. Any of my pistols will go through a wall with no problem. My shotgun I keep loaded with #4 Phesant loads. Good stopping power if I hit a person with them but they will not over penetrate and go through a wall and injure someone on the other side.
And as many have already said, the simple act of racking the slide on a pump action shotgun will deter most criminals. Everyone recognizes that sound for what it is. I consider that my one and only "verbal" warning.
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shotgun works fine.. a little clumsy tho in a furnished home of normal size. I wouldn't poke the barrel around corners tho.. someone would just take it away from you.
racking the slide is showy but in my shotguns it would just waste a round.. throw a live round on the ground.. the sound you would hear with my trench gun is the hammer coming back.
angus..nope.. not much of a dog person... not much of a pet person in any case. I didn't kill the cats my daughter left tho.. they are not much trouble.. I can leave em for a week or two when I want. They know how to eat and drink in moderation and how to use a cat box. A dog would simply die of stupidity.
I like handguns for nightstand work. Hard to take a 12 guage pump on the road. not a good motel or guest gun.
lazs
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It is not safe leaving a round in the chamber of a shotgun. There is no transfer bar in most, if any, shotguns.
I would be fired from my job if a round was ever found in the chamber of my shotgun at work, unless I was about to shoot an escaping inmate.
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I trust the 1/4 notch on my 97 as much as I trust the "safety" on most semi autos.. or any auto for that matter. I wouldn't trust that notch on a single action colt type revolver tho. the two are quite different apart from both being a notch.
lazs
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I leave my wheelguns loaded if they have a transfer bar. I sold most of my semi-autos and don't leave ammo in any of the ones I have left.
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I can't imagine using a shotgun for home protection. Sure, they might blow a hole the size of Nebraska in an intruder... but a handgun will still do fine to kill someone if they're breaking into your home ~ plus it allows for a full clip. :)
There is a fear factor associated with shotguns. Fleeing criminals have been known to freeze at the mere sound of a pump shotgun chambering a round. You are far less likely to miss an intruder with a shotgun than you are with a handgun as well. It doesn't take near the skill that a handgun does.
My 12 gauge shotgun holds 4 in the magazine (with the plug removed) and one up the pipe. Reloads are fast, so 5 rounds at a time is plenty. :)
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A long gun is lousy for close quarters. Peeking it around the corner simply provides warning well in advance of being able to be on target. It also provides a lever to remove the firearm from you.
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I really wouldn't consider a shotgun with an 18 and a half inch barrel with a pistol grip a long gun.
If you peek down a hallway and see multi-invaders coming, put your thumb on the trigger, hold it out with both hands and the barrel pointing down the hallway then shoot.
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So you have both of your hands around the corner and shooting blind in your own house, that's really smart. :rolleyes:. BTW don't you know you really do have to aim the shotgun. It doesn't magiacally fill the hallway with the pattern.
An 18" barrel in front of you is far easier to grapple with than a 4" barrel kept close to you. :huh
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The same people that certify your training, certify mine.
P.S. I can be sued if I miss an escaping inmate.
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If you were posting to me:
INmates aren't the issue in a home invasion, at least not yet anyhow. Of course if you live right next to a prison it might be more probable, but I believe the situation was a home invasion not a prison break. Shooting blind around a corner isn't very accurate and at home range the pattern will not spread very far at all. The folks who certified us didn't teach shooting blind.
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The single biggest advantage to a shotgun during a home invasion is the fact that it is much easier to hit with due to the pattern of the pellets. It simply doesn't require the same level of expertise that a hand gun does.
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Elfie,
How big do you think that shotgun pattern is going to be at a range of say 15 feet?
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Maverick, I think we're not on the same page. Let me start over.
You are awoken in the middle of the night by the sound of your door being broken down. You grab your shotgun and look down the hall. The invaders see you and start pointing their guns your way and start coming towards you. You back up into your room, put your thumb on the trigger poke the shotgun out a little and fire towards the middle of the group coming down the hallway. Chances are you're going to wound some of them, and maybe even make them flee. If anything you'll blind them for a second to give you another chance to peek and see their location again and fire your next round properly. I'm not talking about randomly firing blindly in your own home.
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I guess there are several takes on this, and it might depend on where you live. I like a 12 ga shotgun first of all, for home defense.
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I live in England, where handguns are illegal, and all other firearms are strictly controlled.
Thankfully, shootings are rather uncommon in this country, to say the least.
I'm not trying to sound at all insulting or rude here, and I'm sorry if I do, but I think there's a rather strong link between the above two facts. Please make your own opinion of the above. I've already made mine.
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Yossarian
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Xargos,
At least we are now talking the same scenario, a home and not a prison. I do not have a lot of confidence in blindly firing down a hallway. I am aware of the real spread of a shotgun and know you can't depend on the spread of shot to cover any significant portion of it.
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You are correct, the spread is not as great as most people think, but your chances of hitting something is greater then that of a small handgun. Most civilians are unaware of how much their shooting skill decreases when they are scared.
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In the case of the woman in the original post; A 2-million dollar mansion in SoCal is going to have more than a few security measures. Something failed there, if it came down to her calling the police herself, just as the intruder made it to where she was in the house.
Secondly, Having a gun is different than having one and the willingness to use it. Every post made after the original was based on being ready to blast away themselves. Well, it appears' that this woman did not have a firearm, not because she couldnt' afford one (2,000,000$ house proves that) but most likely, either an aversion, or willingness, to use one.
And this is where this story can be easily spun against firearms. It won't be viewed by a liberal SC justice that this person was denied the right to defend herself; Rather, that a firearm was easy enough to aquire, that someone who wishes to live peaceably, even outside of a large, urban environment, is denied that, because a firearm was available to a criminal. How he got it won't be an issue, just the fact it was available. This is the kind of argument that was used to justify the lawsuits against manufacturers' such as Colt a few years' ago. The person's ability to defend themselves' never really comes into the formula, just the fact that criminals' have access to guns.
The sad point to this is, If it brought up in the supreme court, It will be used against the 2nd, not in support of it.
It's easy for us to tend to look at things' in the manner of how we would handle it. But you have to realize that a story like this will be spun against the 2nd.
BTW, it's just as legal for someone to own a firearm in West Covina as it is in Texas. Where she lives, it is lawful to keep a Semi-automatic pistol or Revolver at home. In that essence, they were available, and didn't stop this from happening.
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Good post FrodeMk3. :aok
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Please make your own opinion of the above. I've already made mine.
Yossarian
Good for you! So have I. In fact, if you do a bit of a BBS search you will find literally thousands of posts discussing this issue. Suffice it to say that in the end most people held the opinions they had when the threads started.
Absolute best comment had to be by Stringer: "Ban the butterknife!
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Elfie,
How big do you think that shotgun pattern is going to be at a range of say 15 feet?
Depending on the choke (or lack thereof if the barrel has been sawed off), you might be as big as 4 or 5 inches. Which is a heck of a lot bigger than a bullet. Even with the tightest choke, the pattern immediately starts to spread upon leaving the barrel.
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You are correct, the spread is not as great as most people think, but your chances of hitting something is greater then that of a small handgun. Most civilians are unaware of how much their shooting skill decreases when they are scared.
There are multiple factors that can effect the size of the pattern at any given range. At typical ranges inside a home you aren't going to have a huge pattern regardless of the various factors involved. The widest pattern would be with a barrel that has been cut down from factory length and now has no choke. Even the type of wad used inside the shell can effect how quickly the pattern spreads.
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Examples of different types of wads used in shotgun shells.
The first type is a disc shaped wad. Shot patterns with this type of wad will tend to spread quickly and immediate pattern size increases can be expected.
Example: http://www.circlefly.com/html/products.html
This second type of wad is far more common and will result in a pattern that initially spreads less quickly than the previous type of wad. This tye of wad actually holds the majority of the shot charge inside of it. Once the wad leaves the barrel, the petals begin to fold back and the air resistance causes it to fall away from the shot charge. This type of wad also has the benefit of protecting the pellets (to a degree) from the barrel itself and results in fewer *flyers* downrange.
Examples of this type of wad: http://www.gunaccessories.com/Claybuster/default.asp
*edit* I will amend a previous statement and say that the widest pattern at 15 feet would be with a sawed off barrel and shells loaded with the disc type wads.
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Thanks Elfie, I'll use that info for my next batch of reloads.
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I wonder what would have happened had she been able to have a firearm in her house and the law allowed her to use it to protect herself?? Instead she was required to to call the police to help her and now shes dead.
This is the sort of thing that happens when guns are taken out of the law abiding citizens hands. Now I knwo it doesn't mention anything about the woman not having a gun, but the truth is there all the same.
The police can't protect you when someone breaks into your home....only you have the ability to effect the outcome provided you have the proper tools at your disposal.
Someone should drop this news artical off at the Supreme Court for the justices to read before they render their official position on the 2nd Ammendment. Kinda makes you think huh???
It's funny how you try and spin this into some gun control debate. There was nothing preventing them from owning a gun other than their own decision not to.
ack-ack
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Thanks Elfie, I'll use that info for my next batch of reloads.
Before my youngest was born I used to reload all my own shotgun shells. When she came along she took that room and I had to get rid of my reloading equipment since I had no place to store it. My reloader was a single stage deal, but I could still get 4 to 6 boxes an hour out of it if I got on a good roll. :)
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It's funny how you try and spin this into some gun control debate. There was nothing preventing them from owning a gun other than their own decision not to.
ack-ack
It's a good point, AA. However, it can as easily be used against guns' as for them. With a probability that it will be used either way, with the current case(s) in the SC, and the fact that it's an election year. IMHO it's pertinent, politically, but not in the way's that many here see it.
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yossarian.. your country never had many homicides even when there were no laws at all against its subjects owning any type of firearm they wanted. you were a little rough on the peoples of other countries of course.
As your population becomes less lilly white and more diverse these things may change tho.. but you do have a tiny little country.. gun control does work here at disneyland say..
I mean no insult but look at the above and draw your own conclusions.
lazs
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shotguns... in a prison you have concrete floors and lots of room.. long wide hallways and such... a shotgun would be great there.. not at all like a home.
for spread... I used to section 250 grain lead semi wadcutters for my 44 mag.. three peices loaded one on top of the other.. at 20 feet the "spread" was about 6".. with 2 pieces.. it was about 2" at that range. A shotgun in the dark in a home is pretty clumsy but it will work.
I am not a fan of the showy racking the slide thing.. why announce where you are?
lazs
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yossarian.. your country never had many homicides even when there were no laws at all against its subjects owning any type of firearm they wanted. you were a little rough on the peoples of other countries of course.
As your population becomes less lilly white and more diverse these things may change tho.. but you do have a tiny little country.. gun control does work here at disneyland say..
I don't know what the statistics are, but what you're saying makes sense.
And Toad, I haven't searched, and probably won't (as I have a lot of revision and not a lot of time to make my points). Whilst I think it would be unreasonable to expect people to change their minds during the course of a debate on a BBS, I nevertheless believe that gun control, when carried out effectively, is the best option there is.
In an idealistic attitude, for example, I would far rather that no countries possessed nuclear weapons etc and therefore have no risk of them ever being used, than multiple countries having them, and only not using them because of their own morality and the knowledge that doing so would probably ensure their own destruction as well.
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Yossarian
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yossarian.. again.. people of other countries that you imposed gun control on may not agree that it is the best solution.. ghandi even said as much.. that it was the worst thing you did to his people.. Hitler felt that gun control was good for the jews.
You seem to feel it is ok for government to have guns. criminals always will.. if not guns.. they will use any weapon at hand.. even hands or sheer numbers. I do not consider hiding in my room while strong men burglarize my home to be a good solution.. more than half your burglaries happen while the people are at home.. "smash and grab" is an invention of your country..
rule by the strongest and most ruthless? maybe that is the solution. Not for me tho. Just showing the gun here changes the minds of a million or so criminals a year here. In your country.. it would be a matter of who was the strongest or most ruthless.
Not what I want. I am willing to pay any price to not have that.
lazs
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So.. someone else got shot during an armed break in in this wonderful country of ours. Almost not newsworthy.
Seems like this happens much less in countries that don't have armed criminals - not that I'd be willing to give up my glock :D
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In an idealistic attitude, for example, I would far rather that no countries possessed nuclear weapons etc and therefore have no risk of them ever being used, than multiple countries having them, and only not using them because of their own morality and the knowledge that doing so would probably ensure their own destruction as well.
Yossarian
Idealistic to say the least. A fairy tale standard even.
In terms of gun control though that is just what is trying to be sold...idealistic fairy tales.
In terms of government, there is only one reason, one reason alone that a government wishes it`s citizens to be unarmed.
Criminals will always have guns......period. Governments will always have guns and weapons.
The only.....very only thing that gun control and bans do is unarm the law abiding and take away their tools to protect themselves.
I prefer to be armed and able at least to make an attempt to protect myself and family and my property.
I will remain armed.......no matter what.
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So.. someone else got shot during an armed break in in this wonderful country of ours. Almost not newsworthy.
Seems like this happens much less in countries that don't have armed criminals - not that I'd be willing to give up my glock :D
It was someone living in a suburb, in a 2 million dollar home. That put it in the news.
If it had been an apartment complex on the intersection of Alemeda and Crenshaw, it would never have gone past the local gossip corner.
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I've never been for the tiny dogs, but I've heard that Dachshunds are interesting dogs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hrYFiC8OBU
Mini Dachshunds are not only phenomenal watchdogs, but are incredibly good "household varminters" as evidenced by this video.
(my fiance's dog)
Slamfire
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speaking from personal experience........ the unmistakably loud sound of the crack, sling, and lock of a shotgun works remarkably well too.
You might note.... that sound also alerts the intruder as to your whereabouts in the home. So the racking of a shell in your gun works both ways. Never assume the intruder will run when hearing that sound. Be prepared!
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A long gun is lousy for close quarters. Peeking it around the corner simply provides warning well in advance of being able to be on target. It also provides a lever to remove the firearm from you.
A shotgun can also do a lot of expensive damage to the walls of your house.
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But the long 'ones are more scary :D
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But the long 'ones are more scary :D
Trying to scare a house invader is not too smart.
If that`s what one wanted to do you would be better of yelling Boo!!! and making really frightening faces.