Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: BnZ on March 21, 2008, 09:05:34 AM
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Disadvantages of the F4U-4
--Performance
While certainly among the elite in speed, the F4U has at least one non-perk ride at nearly every alt level that is faster.
While a fairly powerful climber, esp for an American ride, quite a few non-perk aircraft clearly outclimb it.
MIL performance is well below WEP performance, and the F4U4 only has five minutes of WEP.
--Range
Range on full internal is (If I remember correctly) 22 minutes...this is the second worst range of ANY fighter in the game.
--Visibility
Cockpit frames somewhat obscure the forward visibility. Rearward visibility is among the worst in the game, only P-47D-11s and F4U-1s have a harder time seeing behind them.
--Firepower
6 fifties in this game is the textbook definition of "just adequate" for most shooters...nothing to write home about, certainly doesn't deserve perking on the basis of the armament.
--Turn
While all Corsairs are fairly elite as turners, there are still numerous non-perked aircraft that can beat the F4U-4 in an angles fight.
So there you have it...there is no single thing the F4U-4 does that some non-perk ride does not do better. Why then, is it perked?
P.S. And if any of y'all buy the above...I have some swampland in Florida I want to sell ya. Just "demonstrating absurdity by being absurd" here folks.
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lol
Because its uber, plain and simple.
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BnZ,
Problem is while I and some others will recognize you were being a smart-prettythang, there's a lot of people on the boards that would miss the italic print at the bottom of the page. :rolleyes:
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It is actually tied with the La-7 for the title of best fighter in the game.
May actually be better now that the F4U's have been made so uber with the airflow code change.
In all seriousness, I agree with unperking it. Wtih the La-7 unperked, there is absolutely no reason for the F4U or Spit 14 to be perked on the basis of performance. The only thing the F4U4 truly does better is haul ord.
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I'm seeing an almost perfect correlation to another thread about a different perk ride :rofl
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I'm seeing an almost perfect correlation to another thread about a different perk ride :rofl
Except this one has no numbers backing it up. Not even your made up voodoo numbers.
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It's using the exact same logic, though.
Still haven't discovered the mutual exclusivity between quantitative data and qualitative conclusions, have we?
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Problem is while I and some others will recognize you were being a smart-emily, there's a lot of people on the boards that would miss the italic print at the bottom of the page. :rolleyes:
I cannt read italic, what he said there? :huh
:noid
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the difference between the f4u4 and the spit 14 is reli that there is another spit that is unperked that has several advantages not only over the 14, but over many other planes. the logic that perked the 14 should have perked the 16 as well. on the other hand, the -4 beats all other f4us hands down, in all areas exept firepower, and the -1c is perked as well for that!
see the problem here?
and dont even bring the LA7 into this, if anything should have perks on it besides the 262 and tempest, it should b that little beast, thought the -4 and -1c hogs have valid reasons as well. i just dont c how the spit14 has a huge advantage over evryhing else. its pretty much just good all around liek the LA7, exept it totally owns up high, and the LA7 does down low, to a negligably lower degree.
just un perk evrything but the jets, i've shot down tempys in a yak ffs....
/end rant
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I say keep the -4 hog perked and perk the La-7 along with it
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I say keep the -4 hog perked and perk the La-7 along with it
agreed, but unperk the spit14 as well
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LOL...-4 is the best prop plane in the game. Keep it perked.
Give the LA7 a small perk, same as M4?
Lower the perk by a small amount on the Spit14.
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Now now, nothing I said about the 4Hog was untrue, charts can be pointlessly posted in regards to speed and climb data if anyone thinks I'm fibbing.
Also, where I come from, "22" and "6" are numbers. :devil
LOL...-4 is the best prop plane in the game. Keep it perked.
Give the LA7 a small perk, same as M4?
Lower the perk by a small amount on the Spit14.
There ya go :aok
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wats uber?
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wats uber?
The meaning? Uber = Super
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It's using the exact same logic, though.
Still haven't discovered the mutual exclusivity between quantitative data and qualitative conclusions, have we?
You haven't found that you need to back up claims with actual data yet? Tsk tsk.
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no.
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No. Close to if not the best plane in the game.
EDIT: haha, learn2read me, gg
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I'd LOVE to have an unperked 4-Hog just to hear the whines as people start to realize just WHY she's perked. :D
Now I DO think you could make a case under the current game for unperking the Charlie. I don't think she'd be nearly the destabilizing force she was in the old days, as she really loses more air-to-air combat ability than I feel is justified by the increased firepower. Especially now that Hog drivers have the semi-monstrous 1A they can roll for free.
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You haven't found that you need to back up claims with actual data yet? Tsk tsk.
I think you need to learn that fabricating data to support what you want is at best wishful thinking, and at worst what got Enron in trouble. It's like Numerology. You read into it what you want, but it's a fallacy to pin your argument on it.
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It's a fallacy to dodge hard data.
Maybe you should print out your own advice, pin it on the wall next to your computer and read it everytime you are about to post something. It could really help. ;)
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If you perk all the good planes, then you leave the new players trying to compete in 2nd tier planes with the more experienced pilots that have the perks to fly them.
A double whammy that (IMO) would be very destructive to the game.
(Oh, and the Corsair perk levels are just fine, IMO. )
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It's a fallacy to dodge hard data.
I'm not dodging data. I'm telling you it's not the conclusive data you want and hope it to be. There are far far too many variables in all aspects of how the planes are flown and used to pin "QUALITY-OF-PLANE" on "KILLS-TO-DEATH" numbers.
That in itself is a fallacy.
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no. i remember back in H2H every F4U u saw was either a Chog or a -4. Chogs would HO u and run, -4s would hit u and run. Not goin thru that again. Not a big fan of -4 anyway. 1D is unperked and carries same ords but is slower.
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F4U-4 isn't just faster. Out-accelerates, out-climbs, has significantly more power in the vertical...
Only reason I don't like using her for Jabo is death rates are generally higher, and the perk price is a high price for a short sortie. The Charlie's is much easier to swallow.