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Title: Dive bombing
Post by: BMV1995 on March 23, 2008, 04:23:33 PM
can anyone give me instructions for good dive bombing? :rock
thanks for any help. :salute
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: EskimoJoe on March 23, 2008, 04:27:40 PM
BMV, you don't have to post all these darned threads! Somebody here has a link to the trainer page, which tells you everything. Just bookmark that website and you have everything you need to know.

But, to answer your question, go from really high above your target, go down really fast, drop your bombs right above your target as you're heading straight downwards towards it, and pull up hard, but not hard enough to snap your wings.
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: Lusche on March 23, 2008, 04:38:01 PM
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: PFactorDave on March 23, 2008, 05:35:26 PM
I was curious about this topic also, pardon me for being a nooblet, but I don't find and Dive Bombing techniques on the Trainer site.  I see Level Bombing and Torpedo bombing, but no Dive Bombing.

Perhaps I'm simply not seeing it.
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: RTR on March 23, 2008, 05:54:48 PM
Eskimo if you had no help for him, why bother posting in the damn thread?

BMV here is what I do. I like to arrive over my target at 8 or 10K. I dive (throttle off and combat trim off) at close to a 45 degree angle and get lined up on my target. I have a couple different gunsights I use, depending on what I am flying.  I always set myself up so that I can get my bombs off no lower than 3K. This leaves me altitude to pull out and get clear of ACK. Also remember that the bombs must travel over 800 ft before they will arm. If you drop them lower than that they will not explode.

Watch your airspeed in the dive. Hogs and pony's I keep under 475 mph. P38's 450 or so. Plan your way into the target and always have your egress point picked out before you roll in.

There are a few gunsight choices out there, find one that works for you. Some have additional markings to aid in divebombing.

Best advice I can give you is find a gunsgight that works for you, and practice offline or in the TA until you are comfortable with it. It's much an art that requires practice.

I have no problems with you posting any questions in here btw... It is afterall the training forum.

cheers,
RTR

Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: flatiron1 on March 23, 2008, 06:01:22 PM
how about bombing gv's. I play mostly in the ava and it seems you have to be a lot lower just to see the red icon. Any ideas on how to pick out the target and keep it acquired in this case. Don't have any problems with field targets
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: EskimoJoe on March 23, 2008, 06:11:07 PM
Eskimo if you had no help for him, why bother posting in the damn thread?
I told him how I dive-bomb. I go from really high above my target, go down really fast, drop my bombs right above my target as I'm heading straight downwards towards it, and pull up hard.
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: RTR on March 23, 2008, 06:20:45 PM
My experience is that alot depends on what your pooter specs are. IE are you able to run the game smoothly and with decent graphics?

That being said, when I'm hunting GV's (which I don't regularly do) and I spot one I will try to keep it in view. Seems everytime I look "away" I lose the icon. You can set your view to ground however. Shift F4 is the command (you may have to map it). This will bring ground detail up at the expense of distance detail. Good for short range GV hunting.

cheers,
RTR
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: RTR on March 23, 2008, 06:23:57 PM
I told him how I dive-bomb. I go from really high above my target, go down really fast, drop my bombs right above my target as I'm heading straight downwards towards it, and pull up hard.

That is kind of like telling someone looking for help on ACM this: "I go really fast and wiggle until I get on his 6 o'clock, then pull the trigger, then I pull up and wiggle some more."

Thanks for coming out.

RTR
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: EskimoJoe on March 23, 2008, 06:24:41 PM
That is kind of like telling someone looking for help on ACM this: "I go really fast and wiggle until I get on his 6 o'clock, then pull the trigger, then I pull up and wiggle some more."

Thanks for coming out.

RTR
That's exactly what I do. And no problem ;)
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: RTR on March 23, 2008, 06:29:06 PM
LOL EskimoJoe!

Fair enough ;)

RTR
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: Hazard69 on March 23, 2008, 11:22:12 PM
As far as hunting GVs goes, I prefer a low approach. Get to about 200-3000ft AGL and go lookabout, when target acquired, fly over like you never saw it. Then dive/split S down and come in at 500ft (you must be fast to bomb this low, at least 300mph+). Head for target (lead a little if moving) when icon reads 600 yards, pickle. This should get it close and usually keeps the antiair GVs busy with the higher cons. :aok
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: uberslet on March 24, 2008, 06:09:12 AM
i have a beutiful little site (think i stole it from the Jokers Jokers web site, hehe, they said we could if we wanted!) shows my gunsight, a little dot to indicate wer my bombs will hit, and to little dashes on the side, not sure what they do, havnt figured it out, but ill post a pic of it some day.
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: BMV1995 on March 24, 2008, 06:10:34 AM
thanks for all the tipps :aok but i had a problem
I had no icon for how far away my target was is there a button which i need to press? :confused:
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: Hazard69 on March 24, 2008, 09:11:26 AM
For dive bombing structures, well there no Icon fro that :confused:. However for bombing GVs, you need to be within 1.5k for the icons to show :aok. The ones you need to be wary of are FLAK :devil.
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: Murdr on March 24, 2008, 10:26:42 AM
dive bombing (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/divebomb/divebomb.htm) 

Looks like the link may have gone missing from the main menu at some point.
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: PFactorDave on March 24, 2008, 10:40:29 AM
dive bombing (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/divebomb/divebomb.htm) 

Looks like the link may have gone missing from the main menu at some point.

Many thanks for that. 
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: Alky on March 24, 2008, 11:40:38 AM
Can anyone tell me what arena settings I would need in order to practice dive bombing offline and not be killed by the enemy AI?
It's annoying to practice getting lined up and releasing 1 salvo and get my wing shot off  :frown:
Yes I know, avoiding enemy fire is all part of it, but first I need to learn how to jabo effectively!  Also, is there any way to set unlimited bombs or at least more than 2  :rolleyes:
Thanx!   :salute
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: fuzeman on March 24, 2008, 11:43:02 AM
Can anyone tell me what arena settings I would need in order to practice dive bombing offline and not be killed by the enemy AI?
It's annoying to practice getting lined up and releasing 1 salvo and get my wing shot off  :frown:
Yes I know, avoiding enemy fire is all part of it, but first I need to learn how to jabo effectively!  Also, is there any way to set unlimited bombs or at least more than 2  :rolleyes:
Thanx!   :salute


Turn ProtectObjects off and you can bomb frienldy structures and destroy them without any field guns firing at you.
Off = no checkmark for a 0.
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: Wraith on March 24, 2008, 02:40:32 PM
can anyone give me instructions for good dive bombing? :rock
thanks for any help. :salute


  Get at a good altitude, anywhere from 15-20 thousand feet.  Point your nose at a 70% angle towards your target.  Select your weapon via backspace button.  Drop before pulling up.  It takes practice, i'm not very good at it myself. 
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: bozon on March 25, 2008, 04:21:03 AM
http://www.netaces.org/mossie/mossie.htm#jabo

It was written as part of the "fix the mossie, save a tree" campaign, but holds true to dive bombing in any plane.
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: BMV1995 on March 25, 2008, 12:52:01 PM
So thanks again for all the help :salute
but i still have two problems:
I can t gain height really good and when i pull off the target (even without throttle at the dive) i lose pieces (usually the gears with the JU-87) from my plane.
Can anyone give me tipps for that and what plane do you think is the best for dive bombing? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: Patches1 on March 25, 2008, 01:20:18 PM
 This just my opinion, but I think the best dive bomber in the game is the F4U-1D. Yes, the JU-87 has a single VERY big bomb, comparable to the max load out of the F4U-1D, but after dropping it, the JU-87 cannot compare to the offensive/defensive power of the F4U-1D, nor does it have the ability to pinpoint more than a single target whilst carrying the single BIG bomb. The F4U-1D can target at least 6 targets and then
furball should it survive all the ack (I don't survive much ack nowadays). <grin>

P-38s and P-47s are also good solid JABO airframes...

P-51s....well....a single .303 to the cooler should put it out of the JABO realm...but it doesn't in AH...so I reluctantly nod to it also...but only in desperation.

FW-190s? Yes...another good choice; doesn't carry the load of a Corsair, but can certainly drop ordnance and fight.

Just some thoughts....



Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: fuzeman on March 25, 2008, 01:34:03 PM
Ripping gear on a Ju87 might be a sign your too fast. I like to have 5k altitude minimum above my target. More if enemy are around.
And that Ju87 will take awhile to climb to a reasonable altitude opposed to other fighter/attack aircraft.
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: BMV1995 on March 25, 2008, 04:12:46 PM
but i can t climb very good with any plane (especially bombers).
Is there a trick? Or can you give me instructions for godd climbing?
thanks for all the opinions your are very helpful :rock
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: fuzeman on March 25, 2008, 04:41:37 PM
Bombers are big heavy aircraft, it also takes them a long time to climb to altitude, say 14k alt.
Don't overload fuel, in most MA situations, 50% gas is plenty in a bomber and 25% works for many flights.
Use the alt x climb for general best climbrate.
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: snowey on March 25, 2008, 07:14:22 PM
shalow dive in a-20 600 feet external from about 1000 ft direct hit on panzers
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: BaldEagl on March 26, 2008, 12:26:01 AM
Everything is going to totally depend on what you are flying.  I hunt GV's in attack mode all the time in a variety of planes.  In the F6F-5 I like to start 10K over the target (you can see their dots on the ground at that alt), dive at 45-50 degrees at full throttle with my pipper dead on the target and drop at ~1K, then pull out (gently enough not to break a wing).

On the other hand, in a JU-87 you don't want to be over ~6.5K for a full power dive at the same angle, and depending on the size of the bomb, you may have to keep the pipper aimed just past the target.

The faster (and lower) you are when you drop the more accurate you will be.

At 45 degrees your bomb will still arm at ~500 feet.  The 800' requirement is total distance travelled, both vertically and horizontally, so don't drop so early that your not aligned properly.

When hunting Flaks, I like to start higher and drop anywhere from 3-6K.  This keeps me out of their effective guns range.
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: Alky on March 26, 2008, 01:05:13 AM
When hunting Flaks, I like to start higher and drop anywhere from 3-6K.  This keeps me out of their effective guns range.
What's minimum size bomb for taking out GV's?
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: Hazard69 on March 26, 2008, 03:37:29 AM
What's minimum size bomb for taking out GV's?

You can kill lightly armoured vehicles (M3s, Jeeps etc) with guns alone. To kill tanks though 250lb bombs are more than enough :). They also fly more straight imho :eek:. People also regularly kill tanks with rockets though I am yet to acheive that goal :pray. (My P38J's 3.5" rockets aren't that good).

Good Hunting :aok
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: Black Jack on March 26, 2008, 06:36:39 AM
sorry wrong post   :)
Title: Re: Dive bombing
Post by: BaldEagl on March 26, 2008, 02:12:51 PM
What's minimum size bomb for taking out GV's?

I use 1000 pounders (because I can).  500's also work well.  I've never tried with 250's but the smaller the bomb gets the more accurate your drop has to be (lower blast radius).  I can also kill a panzer or flak with rockets set to salvo 3 with .05 delay from a F6F-5 using the same technique as in dropping bombs.