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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: kilz on March 24, 2008, 11:31:01 AM
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anyone useing the new service pack with VISTA (Vista SP1)? If you are got any insites on how its doing with the new service pack???????????????????????????????????????????
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Takes awhile to download and install. Resets some of your settings to default, on mine i had to reset all my sound setting and video settings. Also here is the garbage i found intalled with it so definately run adaware and spyware doctor after installing it? It installed 1 cookie, 1 ad generator, and 52 adaware alerts. :mad:
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WOW thats a lot of junk for a download, is that normal? anyone else having this problem too.
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Well me being stupid with Vista....wouldnt the service pack automatically download and install in windows update?
Saw it may help saving battery power reading the changes.
Disappointed that nothing been done to fix AMD dual core bug.
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that sucks Hoarach there a lot of AMD dual cores out there.
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I've heard a lot of complaints about SP1 porking Vista installations (that is, if there's anything left to pork).
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I've heard a lot of complaints about SP1 porking Vista installations (that is, if there's anything left to pork).
You have heard also that it works fine when I installed it.
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It really appears to depend on the applications you have installed as to whether or not SP1 will make a mess or not.
Like someone else said, it does reset a bunch of configuration information, which can tamper with some applications. It does break non-Vista version specific virus scanners from Norton and McAfee as they can no longer patch the kernel in order to work. Microsoft has finally provided an API for them to use.
The AMD clock issue will not be fixed by Microsoft and as the kernel can no longer be reliably patched (MS will correct any attempt to patch the kernel) it is doubtful the clock issue in the ADM dual core CPU's will be corrected unless AMD fixes the hardware.
The power management features, in Vista, for laptops wrecks game play. I am not sure how much of it can be disabled at this time. Someone with a laptop and Vista will need to answer that.
From where I sit, Microsoft did not address enough issues with SP1, for some odd reason. Maybe SP2 will be the good patch.
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You have heard also that it works fine when I installed it.
You are with the group of people who didn't have problems. There's another group who did have major problems including BSOD and repeated reboot cycle.
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So far it is looking good on this system. I have been playing some old ancient games that I was able to coax into life and they are still working. Occasionally I get some odd screens where the colors go all goofy but nothing really bad. BTW these games are 1998-2002 games and there names escaped from the locked memory box just now.
:noid :O :rofl
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hmmmmmmmmm sounds like SP1 is coming up short i will keep waiting till they have the better vista out for use.
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I'm currently writing a 4900 word article about SP1. And I really mean it - deadline is in two days, and here I am reading the forum instead. Talk about procrastination...
Anyway, I've installed it on quite a few machines and did my own benchmarks on both slow and fast machines, and I've read perhaps dozens of other test reports.
Since you're friends and we're all casual here, I won't sugar-coat my opinion.
I'm pretty disappointed with Windows Vista.
I'm slightly less disappointed with with Vista when SP1 is installed.
Assuming it doesn't Fubar your machine (and the reports of it doing so are being very highly publicized way out of proportion to the actual percentage of messed up machines), you can count on noticeable (though not hugely significant) improvements in file copying and moving and network operations, battery life in notebooks, startup and shutdown times, and hibernation (which now causes less weirdness than it used to when the system comes back). Somewhat large strides have been made at improving printer driver compatibility. There's now a solid API for Symantec and McAfee to talk to the Kernel without needing to patch it. There's full support for 802.11 draft N wireless networking.
XP's SP2 was a huge change to its base OS, but Vista's SP1 is more like XP's SP1 or 2000's SP1 and SP2: minor improvements all around but no significantly large new features.
On the OS Satisfaction Scale, calibrated to Windows XP being a 100 (and it is a little strange to say that):
Vista without SP1 is around a 60.
Vista with SP1 is around a 70.
Call it moving from a D grade to a C grade in my book. That's a worthy improvement, though still not a stellar grade.
-Llama
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Sounds fair llama. Performance and compatibility issues aside. The nagging inconsistencies still eat me alive, from a support perspective.
I am a pretty conservative person when it comes to computers. I need them to work logically without surprises being thrown in the works. Vista with SP1 still does not satisfy that criteria.
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I am a pretty conservative person when it comes to computers. I need them to work logically without surprises being thrown in the works.
That rules out Vista whether SP1 is installed or not. ;)
-Llama
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LOL
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That rules out Vista whether SP1 is installed or not. ;)
-Llama
Quite right.
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I hate Vista. The only reason I have kept it on my work system is because I was a member of the 3 month "big brother" trial, which I finally completed. (A free copy of Vista Ultimate that I'll keep on a shelf until it's fixed)
So a moment ago I began to collect all my XP drivers in preparation of the journey back to proper computing. I decide to take one last glance at the reliability monitor graph to see how low the little line graph has gone. Over the weeks I've watched as it slowly, and then more quickly began it's downward slope. Visual proof of the pain that Vista causes me. So I open up the "Reliability and Performance Monitor", only to have the reliability monitor tell me that the reliability data has been corrupted...so the bar graph is kapoot.
The irony almost has me in tears lol
I'll be Vista free by the end of the day.
The last straw was last night... I am addicted to the geek show "Totally Rad Show". I have satellite internet with bandwidth limits, so I download it during my lunch break at work. Vista has yet to copy the simple (but large) .wmv file without giving me problems. It's either slow, fails to start, or crashes explorer. Last night it wouldn't do anything. So I copied using the command line, worked perfect, and incredibly fast (for Vista). But it's 2008, and I like to click and drag sometimes. So I've decided to use an OS that works. XP.
I won't go into the horrendous zip file support, the fact that suspend and hibernate work even worse than XP (I thought it not possible), the UI that causes me to perform 50% more clicks to do the same thing, the fact that I cannot quickly renew an IP without using the command line, the endless hard drive churning (even with 3GB of ram), cancel or allow, etc.
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Since you're blowing away Vista anyway, I'd be really curious what SP1 did for you - many of the things it is supposed to improve seem to be the same thing you're having problems. How about installing SP1 and telling us what you think of it over the weekend?
-Llama
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I've used SP1 for quite a bit, I was in the middle wave or so of testers. The main thing I noticed was that it improved file transfers over networks quite substantially. However, even at the new 'faster' speed it's still slower than XP. Other than that, I'd be hard pressed to tell you anything else SP1 did for me.
I have no idea why I'm having trouble transferring to USB media. Memory sticks or USB hard drives...it's as slow as network transfers before SP1, sometimes it doesn't work at all.
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I've compiled a list of what I think are humorous or interesting hotfixes that SP1 provides (some make you go "hmmm" while others really crack me up):
930618 You cannot access files on a memory card in a networked printer's built-in memory card reader, and you receive an error message in Windows Vista or in Windows XP SP2: "\\<IP_Address>\memory_card refers to a location that is unavailable"
930917 An optical disc appears to be blank after you format the disc by using the Live File System component on a Windows Vista-based computer
930261 You randomly receive a "Stop 0000000xA" error in Storport.sys when you start Windows Vista
933207 You may be unable to read from DVD-R DL or DVD+R DL discs that were recorded in Windows Vista
933272 The system time lags when you restart a Windows Vista-based computer that supports High Precision Event Timer
935606 Backup system files are not restored as expected when you use third-party system restore applications on a Windows Vista-based computer
936613 The performance of gaming graphics may be less than you expect, based on the Windows Experience Index score in Windows Vista
937426 You are prompted to activate Windows Vista after you start the system in diagnostic startup mode
938091 After you resolve an offline files synchronization conflict by using the "Keep both versions" option, the conflict occurs again on a Windows Vista-based computer
941025 When you press a keyboard button to start a program, there is a delay before the program starts on a portable computer that is running Windows Vista
941137 The EQUAL SIGN key does not work on a USB PC98 keyboard that is connected to a Windows Vista-based computer
941311 An Ultra DMA Mode 5 transfer mode may be listed as an Ultra DMA Mode 2 transfer mode in Windows Vista
931969 The Microsoft Software License Terms appear in the incorrect language when you try to view them in a program in Windows Vista
932406 The Windows desktop may stop updating correctly after a Windows Vista-based computer has been running for an extended period of time
934056 Error message when you try to print a picture from the Search window in Windows Vista: "Windows can't find this picture"
935415 The original file is overwritten when you select a file name from the history list in the Save As dialog box in Windows Vista
935855 Error message when you try to start Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista: "You must be an administrator to open Internet Explorer on this desktop"
943805 An item that you copy to a Windows Vista desktop does not appear on the desktop even though it appears in the Desktop folder
928387 Internet Explorer stops responding after you click a link on a Web site
932653 The pointer for a high performance mouse does not move correctly in Windows Vista
932988 Files from a Canon EOD 1D or 1DS camera may be corrupted after you use Windows Photo Gallery, Windows Live Photo Gallery, or Windows Explorer to edit the file metadata in Windows Vista or in Windows XP SP2
933006 A Web page is blank in Internet Explorer 7
933942 Error message when you restart a Windows Vista-based computer: "Windows Calendar has stopped working"
938724 An RTF document may be corrupted when it is opened in WordPad on a Windows Vista-based computer
942836 Stop error message when you try to print content that includes a bitmap on a Windows Vista-based computer: "Stop 0x00000001"
943544 The date displays incorrectly in the Windows Calendar Sidebar gadget on a Windows Vista-based computer
933433 Recording quality is poor when you use a USB microphone on a Windows Vista-based computer that has 4 GB of RAM or more
940059 Severe video degradation and a Stop error may occur on a Windows Vista-based computer when you connect a USB Webcam
930585 Uppercase letters “Ț” and “Ș” are displayed in the middle of words in the Romanian-language version of Windows Vista
932757 When you play a Windows Media High Definition Video DVD in Windows Media Center in Windows Vista, the video may not be synchronized with the audio
937188 When an Adobe RGB profile-embedded TIFF image is printed to the Windows XPS Document Writer on a Windows Vista-based computer or on a Windows XP SP2-based computer, the colors may be incorrect
935222 You cannot connect to a wireless network on a Windows Vista-based computer
939006 You cannot use Verizon FiOS products at their full speed on a Windows Vista-based computer
936686 Icons are missing from Control Panel, or you cannot start Control Panel, the Welcome Center, or games in Windows Vista
937063 The system automatically restarts when you try to encrypt files or to decrypt files by using EFS on a computer that is running Windows Vista
Here's my summary evaluation on SP1's speed:
Though these changes don’t individually seem like much, in aggregate, it makes a noticeable difference in the Vista experience. File management is now only inconveniently slow instead of agonizingly slow when compared to XP. Vista SP1 boots about 20% quicker and shuts down much faster too. There’s a lot less mindless disk thrashing during what should be idle periods. Even the Start Menu seems to respond faster.
I expect CPU to print even my "agonizingly slow" remark. Great rag, CPU. ;-)
-Llama
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Most of that list has to do with two things. UAC (User Access Control) and the new wizbang introduction to cut network speed by up to 50% when playing sreaming sound files so the CPU would have time to play the sounds files in the new, over-bloated, sound architecture in Vista. So the answer was to only cut the network speed by 25% (it might actually be 35%,..they were waffling on it).
Yeah, I found that list a bit funny as well llama.
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I'm sure some professional photographers were jumping with happiness when they discovered the Canon EOD-1D bug. That's a $4000 camera + another one for lenses.. :cool:
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A friend of mine is a programmer and has no problem with Vista. I think it depends on your job requirements how badly Vista sucks.
As a network admin it's like, supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy sucking. But for a PHP programmer, it's probably just like the gentle waft of air moved by a flushing toilet.
There are so many ways they've made my job harder...simply by moving thing one or two clicks away to keep idiots from breaking things. A good sysadmin would have them locked out of those things anyway with proper policies. Grrr... The thing that makes me maddest of all, and I know it is silly, but the stupid "Diagnose" thing with network interfaces. It is possibly the stupidest thing ever created in the history of operating systems.
I want my "Repair" button back!
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Im not exactly a power user with Vista but from where I sit the changes in SP1 were for the better even if not the greatest changes I could hope for. The only area I am disappointed about is the microphone levels in AHs vox are now lower and my squaddies cant hear me so good. I changed sound cards for Vista and the same problem occurs on XP now because the mic boost settings completely disappeared on XP. Mic boost is available on Vista but doesnt help much. I am happier with Vista than I was on XP because I do have an AMD cpu and when it (AH) crashes on XP either the system stops responding altogether or suddenly I see the BIOS messages scrolling by. On Vista the system reports that AH has stopped working and closes the application. I dont think either OS can be blamed because its the fault of AMD but even on an Intel system the way Vista behaves is preferable to the OS performing an illegal reboot. Also with SP1 the textures and graphics load faster in AH than they used to. At least its a step in the right direction but XP was much faster. Im hoping that when I upgrade to an Intel machine (finally) that things are in as fine a shape as they are now and nothing new pops up.
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Still wondering why SP1 hasnt been downloaded and installed by my automatic windows update......
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Still wondering why SP1 hasnt been downloaded and installed by my automatic windows update......
It wont get pushed on Automatic Update till April 18. You can manually check Windows Update for updates and if you don't have any of about 10 different types of problem hardware, it should eventually show up.
Or you can download the "Standalone Update" from microsoft, which is about 500 MB.
-Llama
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the simple solution to any problem with vista, is that vista is the problem and that u should just put XP on ur comp :aok
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Yep people should realize new is not always better.
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Many of you can keep bashing vista but I have absolutely no problems with it. It runs AH easily on my laptop with full graphic detail and high res package. I have yet to have a problem with it so why change?
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Many of you can keep bashing vista but I have absolutely no problems with it. It runs AH easily on my laptop with full graphic detail and high res package. I have yet to have a problem with it so why change?
Consider yourself extremely lucky. Some people managed to walk through a lions cage without being attacked, too. I wouldn't recommend it tho.
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Consider yourself extremely lucky. Some people managed to walk through a lions cage without being attacked, too. I wouldn't recommend it tho.
no kidding...
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No need to bash Vista at all. All you have to do is look at the bug lists for it. That speaks volumes for the problems Microsoft has with it and why so many people are having troubles with it.
I figure anyone saying they are not having any problems are just unaware of the problems they are having. Given time, the problems will finally manifest in a grotesque manner.
Not saying that you cannot work around many of the bugs. But to do that, you have to acknowledge they are there.
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No need to bash Vista at all. All you have to do is look at the bug lists for it. That speaks volumes for the problems Microsoft has with it and why so many people are having troubles with it.
I figure anyone saying they are not having any problems are just unaware of the problems they are having. Given time, the problems will finally manifest in a grotesque manner.
Not saying that you cannot work around many of the bugs. But to do that, you have to acknowledge they are there.
those problems and most peoples lack of knowledge of them is why i usually suggest sticking with XP. i personally stick with XP since i run a laptop and need a lite OS to be able to game with. not to mention the security stuff in vista is annoying. >_<
:salute to all those who can deal with vista
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Is it possible to order a new computer and specify that you want XP on it?
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Is it possible to order a new computer and specify that you want XP on it?
It is. Although some of the biggest OEMs may refuse but that's a clear sign you shouldn't deal with them in the first place!
My best advice is to find a smaller local provider who is willing to custom build a box for you with the parts YOU choose, not some budget manager at a large OEM.
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I know cyberpowerpc.com offers vista and xp. I bought mine with vista just because of the fact they offered Vista Home Premium for free at the time.
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been running Vista for 6 months now and other than a few problems getting it set up have had not problems, some of my friends hate it but most of them are downloading freewear and trying to use programs not set up for Vista. Ownly problem with it and AH is I just need a better machine now with the new updates. 60 FR down to 15 if I'm luckly, went back to 512 with sliders set 1/2 and still not good.
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been running Vista for 6 months now and other than a few problems getting it set up have had not problems, some of my friends hate it but most of them are downloading freewear and trying to use programs not set up for Vista. Ownly problem with it and AH is I just need a better machine now with the new updates. 60 FR down to 15 if I'm luckly, went back to 512 with sliders set 1/2 and still not good.
that would be one of vista's many problems, the OS takes too much power to run, and its very hard to streamline.