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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: spit16nooby on April 09, 2008, 03:11:26 PM
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I have come to like the 109-G2 and the 109K-4 lately and have noticed their compression happens relatively low at 450. I was wondering what other people do to kind of get around this expecially the K-4 which gets their quite easily. Also while I'm at it what are the elevator trim buttons so I can use those which I don't right now.
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I think the elevator trim buttons are "I" and "K". These are probably the default ones, but you should check your key assignments in the game just in case. Also, I think that "J" and "L" are for the rudder trim, and "N" and "M" are for the aileron trim, but again I might be wrong.
I've heard that using your rudder (as in swinging it from side to side) is very good at getting rid of speed. Be careful not to overuse this, as if you do you'll get that "Please do not move your controls so rapidly" message. However, I've only ever tried this when coming in for a landing way to fast, and I'm not sure if this will work when you're in compression, as your rudder might be compressed as well.
Hope this helps,
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Yossarian
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Thanks :aok Ill try using the rudder to uncompress or I might be able to use it in my dive to keep from going to fast.
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Just thinking about it, I would guess that your best bet is to try and use it to prevent yourself from entering compression in the first place.
I've really never noticed whether the rudder compresses (with the ailerons and elevators?) or not, but I would suppose that it does.
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Yossarian
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There's "stiff response" and then there's "locked up"
With stiff response you can still control the plane. simply pull the nose up.
With "locked up" trim up to bring the nose up, then pull up once you regain control.
Also note that the 109 dives very well. It can keep up with the best, as long as you remember the trim keys.
If you want to slow down, using the rudder can help. Try using the rudder and the roll. Hit hard left rudder, and this will want to roll you left, so apply right aileron to roll the opposite way. This bleeds more speed than simply rudder alone. Note you might not be able to do this when moving too fast.
Also, reduce throttle to zero. Leave RPM at full. This will create a giant speed brake in front of you (the propellor) that will slow you down.
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How do I leave RPMs up and throttle down. :huh
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Reduce throttle, pull the stick back and use the K key to trim up when you're compressed. Once the nose starts lifting ease up on the stick or you'll black out, then, once it's climbing again re-center the trim tab using the I key.
BTW, aileron trim defaults are M and ,
Rudder trim defaults are J and L
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How do I leave RPMs up and throttle down. :huh
RPM is mapped to - and + on your keypad by default. Throttle is wherever you mapped it to.
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If you don't mess with RPM it's full all the time.
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And, if you use it, don't forget to turn combat trim back on after trimming your way out of compression (CTRL-X)
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I've heard that using your rudder (as in swinging it from side to side) is very good at getting rid of speed. Be careful not to overuse this, as if you do you'll get that "Please do not move your controls so rapidly" message.
Yossarian
You usually only get that message if 1) controls are not properly calibrated in Windows and/or AH 2) incorrect stick scale settings or 3) faulty joystick
ack-ack
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Hrm.. he words it "side to side" so maybe we need to make the distinction: Pick a side and floor it. Don't go back and forth, as doing so too fast (even on well calibrated systems) can trigger the "move controls" message.
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Hrm.. he words it "side to side" so maybe we need to make the distinction: Pick a side and floor it. Don't go back and forth, as doing so too fast (even on well calibrated systems) can trigger the "move controls" message.
The way this slows your airplane down is by putting the side of the fuselage into the oncoming air, dramatically raising your drag. Swinging side to side would be much less effective than just holding one side down at max as when swinging you would most often not have a maximum sideslip.
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I use one of the buttons on my throttle to switch combat trim on/off. When I fly k4, i make sure my elevator trim wheel is full up, so when i compress i push the button to turn off combat trim and it starts to pull up.
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You usually only get that message if 1) controls are not properly calibrated in Windows and/or AH 2) incorrect stick scale settings or 3) faulty joystick
ack-ack
i get if i move my controls really fast, and randomly for a period of time (stick stir, wich i dont do, anyone who has killed me in a fight knows i dont)
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I have come to like the 109-G2 and the 109K-4 lately and have noticed their compression happens relatively low at 450. I was wondering what other people do to kind of get around this expecially the K-4 which gets their quite easily. Also while I'm at it what are the elevator trim buttons so I can use those which I don't right now.
As I understand it the 109s do not compress.
At high speeds they suffer from heavy elevators but do not compress.
There is a film on youtube somewhere that explains what compression is using the the P-38 as an example.
To answer your question though, follow the advice already given here. The 109 responds well at high speeds, you will just need to have a hand on the elevator trim keys.
I do what someone above suggested and pre-adjust my trim wheel to to a positive input on the elevators. Turning off Combat Trim will automaticaly trim the elevators out and assist in pulling out of a high-speed dive.
I do not trim it out 100% though, I go with 50 %. As Krusty said, the 109 is actually quite a good diver and I find that full input on the elevators at high speeds enduces such a high-G turn that you black out almost immediately. With proper trim you can turn with almost anything at high speeds.