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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ink on April 13, 2008, 12:53:51 AM
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I am trying to figure out how to begin this, well i guess at the beginning!!!!!
"in the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth.
the earth was without form and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
then God said 'LET THERE BE LIGHT": AND THERE WAS LIGHT"
OK i am going to explain a bit that no religion teaches, at the moment God created "Light" he created his son, who is the "LIGHT" to the world. 1st john chapter1 confirms this "That which was from the beginning..." There are so many other verses that confirm this please read the bible ask God to show you the truth!!! (jesus) Yahushua, see jesus (the name) is Greek, I am sorry but my savior was born Hebrew, his name was NOT and is NOT jesus, Yahushua, is our saviour he his our God, For Yahaveh gives him his power!! he is not God, he is NOT the creator, Yahaveh, (not yahweh, not jahoveh, not the LORD)Yahaveh is our creator!
see Satan is tricky he wants to confuse Gods children's minds, and sad to say he is doing his job well, when you do decide to pick up that bible you will notice The LORD, in many places, how about 6,551 times, ya 6,551, well when the original writers of this letter wrote what Yahaveh told them to write they wrote his name, Yahaveh wants us to know his name "only those who call upon my name shall be saved..."
at some point the scribes who rewrote the letter from Yahaveh decided his name was to sacred to say or write, so they took out his name and replaced it with " adon" meaning master. hence "The LORD"
i have found a verse Jeremiah 23,27 "who try to make my people forget my name..." please read it my friends, don't listen to what people say the bible says read it for your self, discern it, study it, eternity is so much longer than this mortal life we have now!!!!!
don't think about what people have done "in Gods name" thats people NOT our creator!!
okay here is another one that "religion" has pushed on to people, the cross, the cross is a pagen symbol or idol, the original word for cross in greek is "Stauros" meaning stake. think about it this way even if it was a cross that our savior died upon, why would he want us to remember him by his implement of death? The third commandment states "you shall not make for yourself a carved image any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth..."
seems pretty clear to me!!!!! besides the cross IS a pagen symbol, that was adopted into Christendom!!!
Yahaveh does not enjoy Idols they are an abomination to him, read the bible and find out for your self!!!
here is another truth the king James bible was written in the 1600s, it is not perfect but with some study the truth will be found!
people "religion" will say of course the bible is perfect well want some proof?
Hosea 12,5 in KJV "That is the LORD God of Hosts.
The LORD is his memorable name."
Hosea 12,6 in the Hebrew bible"yet the LORD,the God of Hosts, must be invoked as"LORD"
think about this
here is another
Isaiah 44,5 KJV "one will say"i am the LORD'S;
Another will call himself by the name of Jacob;
Another will write with his hand"The LORD'S",
and name himself by the name of Israel."
Hebrew Isaiah 44,5
"one shall say,"i am The LORD'S,another shall use the name of "Jacob",
Another shall mark his arm"of the "LORD", and adopt the name of "Israel"
See how they are almost identical? but they are not!!!! get yourself a Hebrew bible and compare even a Greek one, search for the truth, don't get a book on what the bible says or listen to what Men say the bible says read the bible it is wonderful and full of enlightenment,
my one piece of advice when you read the bible and you see The"LORD" in caps say gods name or when you see it like this The Lord "GOD" God in caps that is where God wanted his name placed. read it as Yahaveh
Also when you read "Jesus Christ" THAT should be read Yahushua the messiah.
i wish ALL who read this enlightenment and maybe a little understanding about the wonderful letter Yahaveh has sent to us!!!!
if anyone has a question or needs some help please feel free to ask!! i will respond to ALL.
peace be to you
Paul
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Look I'd had a lovely supper and all I said to my wife was "That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah."
Tronsky
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Look I'd had a lovely supper and all I said to my wife was "That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah."
Tronsky
its okay, most have never heard Gods true name!!
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I am trying to figure out how to begin this, well i guess at the beginning!!!!!
"in the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Well you got the very first thing wrong.
In the beginning, the Universe was without form and void. Then God said "Let their be inflationary expansion" and the first 10^-43 seconds, the Universe expanded from the size of an atom to the size of a cantelope. And God saw that it was good.
Then God created the quarks and electrons and other fundamental particles, and allowed expansion to continue.
Then on the second day, (which in this case was about 300,000 yrs later), God said, "Let electrons combine with protons and neutrons to form atoms." and God saw that it was good.
On the third day, (about 1 billion years) God said, "Let gravity coalesce hydrogen and helium gas to form stars and other heavenly bodies" and God saw that it was good.
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THOUGHT is primary. Without thought you've got no WORD :)
So, if the WORD=GOD then where did the THOUGHT come from?
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THOUGHT is primary. Without thought you've got no WORD :)
So how do you explain Jessica Simpson? She can talk.
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Look I'd had a lovely supper and all I said to my wife was "That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah."
Tronsky
BLASPHEMER!!!!!
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So how do you explain Jessica Simpson? She can talk.
:rofl
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Look I'd had a lovely supper and all I said to my wife was "That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah."
Tronsky
STONE HIM!!!
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STONE HIM!!!
STOP IT RIGHT NOW! STOP IT! All right, no one is to stone _anyone_ until I blow this whistle. Even... and I want to make this absolutely clear... even if they do say, "Jehovah. "
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If you analyze the Universe, you need to take a look at something called "The Entropic Death of the Universe."
Basically, Entropy means that to create something, you need to destroy something. And you ALWAYS lose energy and mass when you destroy something. There is never a 100% efficient process. And there is never a perfectly reversible process either.
This tells us two major things. First, that eventually the universe will uncreate itself. Somewhere down the road, we're talking trillions, or possibly even quadrillions of years (or even further past our comprehension) the universe will not exist anymore. Game over. It ain't there anymore. Nothing is there.
The other thing it tells us is that to get here, where we are today, the universe had to be something greater. Or possibly the better word is 'More.'
With this second piece, you can choose to accept a few things. First is that an infinite amount of time in the past, the universe was an infinite amount more than where it is today. And doubly as far back, it is doubly more than that. You can believe that there was no beginning, that it always was.
Or you can believe that something in the universe, some super intelligent being, or some process we don't know about can go against Entropy and create energy and mass. That something way back when created the universe. That something way into the future can create it again.
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Judas,
Would you like some nice mulled wine? It's delicious!
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Who threw that stone? To the back of the crowd!
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(http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-graphs-holier-than-thou.gif)
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Ink, I was curious about a couple of things after reading your post:
1) Your argument seems on the surface to argue from a Jewish point of view, but with messianic characteristics. With that said, are you Orthodox or are you more of a messianic Jew, or are you Jewish at all? (I only ask because I want to see what direction you come from on this issue)
2) I believe you said in your post that Jesus is NOT God. Are you saying that when Jesus became flesh that he laid aside His deity to come to earth? Or, was he created as a lesser being than God the Father in the first place? How does this affect your view of the Trinity
2b) I am also curious... If you believe that Jesus is not fully God, how do you view the atonement on Calvary? Was it actually a perfect sacrifice if the blood shed by Christ was not fully God's. Was that sacrifice sufficient as the author of Hebrews mentions in Chapter 9, with Christ's blood (which established the New Covenant) being a "better" blood than the sacrifices seen in The Old Testament?
Please do not take this as an attack. I am very intrigued by your post, and I look forward to hearing your answers.
<S> ClevMan
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its okay, most have never heard Gods true name!!
what did it tell you it's name was?
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Ink, I was curious about a couple of things after reading your post:
1) Your argument seems on the surface to argue from a Jewish point of view, but with messianic characteristics. With that said, are you Orthodox or are you more of a messianic Jew, or are you Jewish at all? (I only ask because I want to see what direction you come from on this issue)[/color][/color]
no i am not jewish, i am half irish and half french, i did not grow up any "type" of religion, actually i Hated God,(growing up) since i was about 10 years old, maybe younger! but sense then Yahaveh has enlightened me to the truth.
2) I believe you said in your post that Jesus is NOT God. Are you saying that when Jesus became flesh that he laid aside His deity to come to earth? Or, was he
created as a lesser being than God the Father in the first place? How does this affect your view of the Trinity
i did say (jesus) Yehushua, is not God, he is GODs first creation, he is not the creator! my view of the trinity is its False religion!!
2b) I am also curious... If you believe that Jesus is not fully God, how do you view the atonement on Calvary? Was it actually a perfect sacrifice if the blood shed by Christ was not fully God's. Was that sacrifice sufficient as the author of Hebrews mentions in Chapter 9, with Christ's blood (which established the New Covenant) being a "better" blood than the sacrifices seen in The Old Testament?
Yehushua is our God, his father in heaven gave him his power and seat, yes it was a perfect sacrifice because he is Yahavehs first creation! by his Blood we are saved! read Mathew 10, 32 "Therefore whoever confesses me before men, him i will also confess before my Father who is in heaven."
i say again i am just a man who loves his creator and wishes all GOOD men to see the truth and not be denied the free gift of salvation! false religion is rampant in the world today but knowledge is increasing, and all will have the ability to deny or accept Gods sacrifice!
Please do not take this as an attack. I am very intrigued by your post, and I look forward to hearing your answers.
<S> ClevMan
Clevman i dont feel you are attacking me, even if you where, Yahaveh made me well able to deal, through the life ive seen and the things i have been through!
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what did it tell you it's name was?
Jim
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what did it tell you it's name was?
of course he did
Exodus 3,15
"moreover God said to Moses"thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
"The LORD"(<--Yahaveh) God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. this is my name, forever,and this is My memorial to all generations"
even a child can understand
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Now Ink, I usually enjoy your posts on here about your strong family group, but proselytizing is not really relevant to improving the game is it? You should get on the knit side when Bibleman is on a rant, very funny. I am not bashing your beliefs, I appreciate anything that helps people with direction, all I ask is they enjoy it in peace and I will enjoy mine in peace, and quiet.
Please, if someone asks if you have been given some info by God, just answer yes or no, if it is in the bible, then he really didn't give it to you, he gave it to Moses (in this example), and Moses, or someone else, gave it to you. I only ask bro that I be allowed to cruise the BBS and the virtual skies killing and being killed in peace. Hmm, kind of an oxymoron I guess, but so was military intelligence.
Any argument can be made for or against anything, especially if logical fallacies are used (see any modern rhetoric for the most part). Well, I wont stoke any embers, see ya up there man. Salute. :aok :salute
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Now Ink, I usually enjoy your posts on here about your strong family group, but proselytizing is not really relevant to improving the game is it? You should get on the knit side when Bibleman is on a rant, very funny. I am not bashing your beliefs, I appreciate anything that helps people with direction, all I ask is they enjoy it in peace and I will enjoy mine in peace, and quiet.
Please, if someone asks if you have been given some info by God, just answer yes or no, if it is in the bible, then he really didn't give it to you, he gave it to Moses (in this example), and Moses, or someone else, gave it to you. I only ask bro that I be allowed to cruise the BBS and the virtual skies killing and being killed in peace. Hmm, kind of an oxymoron I guess, but so was military intelligence.
Any argument can be made for or against anything, especially if logical fallacies are used (see any modern rhetoric for the most part). Well, I wont stoke any embers, see ya up there man. Salute. :aok :salute
well i started this thread because last night in MA there was alot of God bashing,
that being said i did start this in the O'club
and if its in the bible its for all of us!
thank ya
peace
Paul
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well i started this thread because last night in MA there was alot of God bashing,
that being said i did start this in the O'club
and if its in the bible its for all of us!
thank ya
peace
Paul
True it is the O'club, but it is also proselytizing, and quoting the bible to defend the bible is not a logical truth. Also, the belief that "if it is in the bible it is for all of us" does not answer the question of whether something was given to you directly, it just means you are getting the info indirectly. This does not take away from the value of the info, just allows for the evaluation of it. For what it is worth, you can thank Constatine for the bible. He had final editing rights. Take it easy man, see ya.
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I must take issue with this part:
he is not God, he is NOT the creator, Yahaveh, (not yahweh, not jahoveh, not the LORD)Yahaveh is our creator!
You can use Yahaveh if you want, but why slam those who use Yahweh or Jehovah? After all, even "Yahaveh" is only an English version of the Tetragrammaton ( יהוה ) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton), the same as Yahweh or the more Germanic Jehovah. I doubt anyone here speaks paleo-hebrew, so the exact pronunciation isn't really known. I personally don't see anything wrong with any of the three.
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True it is the O'club, but it is also proselytizing, and quoting the bible to defend the bible is not a logical truth.
I must have missed the O'Club rule that there must be no proselytizing or Bible discussions allowed.
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I must have missed the O'Club rule that there must be no proselytizing or Bible discussions allowed.
True, I failed to express myself correctly originally. I stand corrected and will not expound. Touche. :salute :aok
Edit: I never implied he broke any forum rules... sorry for expounding a little...
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:salute :aok
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I must take issue with this part:
You can use Yahaveh if you want, but why slam those who use Yahweh or Jehovah? After all, even "Yahaveh" is only an English version of the Tetragrammaton ( יהוה ) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton), the same as Yahweh or the more Germanic Jehovah. I doubt anyone here speaks paleo-hebrew, so the exact pronunciation isn't really known. I personally don't see anything wrong with any of the three.
actually Yahaveh is not english it is Hebrew, and i will not slam anyone for trying to use Gods name!!
and yes the exact pronunciation is known, YHVH are the Hebrew letters that make up Gods name, for some reason(to confuse) the y is translated to j, and the v to w,(but not always)
the Hebrew language has no vowels in it They use dots and dashes under or over the letters to show how the pronunciation is sounded out! back when the bible was written they did not even use those,
ill explain why i believe Yahaveh is correct.
i have tattooed on my right hand the Hebrew letters YHVH,(also on my chin, just not when this happened) about 3 months after we opened a tat shop i helped build, 3 younger people came into the shop, they started talking in a different language, i knew right away it was Hebrew,( i tried to teach myself Hebrew) i had a huge hangup over Gods name and its pronunciation, i asked these 3 people where they where from? well, well, they where born and raised in Jerusalem, as soon as they said this to me, i showed them my right hand and asked them what it was? they say God, i say "ya i know but how do you say it?" they say well the first thing we are taught as children is to not say Gods name, i looked at them and was like "please tell me" and two of them at the same time say "Yahaveh"
they where thankfully young around there 20s so where less strict in following the Hebrew laws. any way i ask them what where they looking for as far as Tattoos go? you know what they say? we are not looking for tattoos we where driving by and had a overwhelming feeling we had to stop in.
what more can i say?
peace
paul
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Allah! = :furious
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actually . . .
Good story.
I was speaking a little more generically, though. Even setting regional dialects aside, if you took an English speaker of 500 years ago vs. a modern English speaker, reading the same words, you would have differences in the way they pronounce the words (some subtle, some very obvious). I have a hard time believing that modern Hebrew speakers sound exactly the same as Hebrew speakers of 8000 years ago.
But that is all entirely beside the point. Your main point, that God has a name ( יהוה ), and that he wants it to be known, is perfectly valid.
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ink, God may have given you peace but he didn't show how to spell.
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self re-affirming suppositions - can't beat 'em.
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ink, God may have given you peace but he didn't show how to spell.
lol that is true, but i guess spell check didn't work either.:(