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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: angelsandair on April 13, 2008, 12:57:04 PM
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Quit whining about stupid crud. Wow you got shot down, you want a cookie? It just means you have to re-evaluate your tactics. It seems that everyone is whining about the pickers and HO'ers. Well, that's something the average WW2 pilot had to worry about all the time. Especailly with the Americans in their P-51s if the Germans had alt on them. I'd hate to be the one to tell you guys this, but there is nothing Skuzzy and Hitech can do about your whining about getting Cherry Picked and Ho'ed. Just get more alt on them. There is a limit on how high their planes can go (except Rooks :D).
You just need to re'evaluate your tactics. Dont actually up from the base that's getting attacked. Up from one a sector or 2 away, get some alt, then go and cherry pick the pickers, or dog fight the cherry pickers, and then cherry pick the enemies lower then you. :rolleyes: :D :noid
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I sense a flame war... :noid
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Good, I intend to ignite one with the whiners. :D
They whine about picking because they dont want to go to 15-20k, they can whine at me all they want. :D
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waahh :cry
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But, but, but, but, I dont want to go to 15 - 20k (I cant see the ground from there)...........come down and fight like a man, I dares ya....(actually, dont bother, I'm such an easy kill - you'll just get picked once you've killed me...lol..)
Sorry, I just had to.......really
Wurzel
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Quit whining about stupid crud. Wow you got shot down, you want a cookie? It just means you have to re-evaluate your tactics. It seems that everyone is whining about the pickers and HO'ers. Well, that's something the average WW2 pilot had to worry about all the time. Especailly with the Americans in their P-51s if the Germans had alt on them. I'd hate to be the one to tell you guys this, but there is nothing Skuzzy and Hitech can do about your whining about getting Cherry Picked and Ho'ed. Just get more alt on them. There is a limit on how high their planes can go (except Rooks :D).
You just need to re'evaluate your tactics. Dont actually up from the base that's getting attacked. Up from one a sector or 2 away, get some alt, then go and cherry pick the pickers, or dog fight the cherry pickers, and then cherry pick the enemies lower then you. :rolleyes: :D :noid
Well that was about as pointless a post as I've seen in a while. It was a big help to all of us. Thank you :)
As I see it your advice is
-Don't defend bases.
-Go from further away and higher then the other guy. This will allow you to live longer, and take more time between fights. Of course this will help the base takers too as by the time you get where they were hording, they'll be gone and starting at some other base.
-Use WW2 as your reasoning for playing a game a certain way, even though within the MA it doesn't resemble anything close to WW2. Remember the average WW2 pilot had to worry about really dying, flying the mission he was given at the alt he was given in the plane he was given. Remember the average MA pilot doesn't ever die and gets whichever plane he wants to fly and flys however he chooses to..
-Whine at people telling them not to whine. This in itself is always productive.
Did I miss any thing?
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Did I miss any thing?
Yes,
-I hope that if one wants to lecture to a community that has its roots going back nearly two decades, that they've been around long enough to have a clue.
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I sense a flame war... :noid
Threads of this quality are rarely flamed. :noid
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Threads of this quality are rarely flamed. :noid
This thread has quality? Since when!? :noid
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This thread has quality? Since when!? :noid
Your sarcasm detector is malfunctioning. Post your DxDiag.
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Words to live by, angelhair.
"It is better to remain quiet and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
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Quit whining about stupid crud.
Is intelligent crud within reasonable limits? :rofl
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A whine about whining.
interesting...
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Aww... I can't get on for a week or more and the whining got worse? Dang i always miss the fun stuff :(.
-Xcel
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-I hope that if one wants to lecture to a community that has its roots going back nearly two decades, that they've been around long enough to have a clue.
I'm forgetting here....
AirWarrior was in 1987 or 1988? It's been two decades plus I thought.
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You just need to re'evaluate your tactics. Dont actually up from the base that's getting attacked. Up from one a sector or 2 away, get some alt, then go and cherry pick the pickers, or dog fight the cherry pickers, and then cherry pick the enemies lower then you. :rolleyes: :D :noid
Whilst you are attempting to make a sweeping generalisation (something which never/rarely works IMO) about whining, I would have to agree with the above bit of your post. Yes, there are countless other circumstances (such as what Guppy posted) to which these things won't apply.
However, since it's (usually) a safe assumption that your opponent's going to use (almost) any means necessary to shoot you down; if you're intent on winning, or at least having a 'fair' fight, then IMO it's your responsibility to make sure that you begin with an advantage/on equal terms - so if he has an altitude advantage, you should climb first to neutralise his advantage etc.
Anyway, angelsandair made a good point that if you got beaten in an 'unfair' fight, it's probably as much your fault as your opponent's, as you could always not have upped from a capped base etc. Therefore, you really have no reason to complain about HOs etc.
Hope this makes vague sense ;),
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Yossarian
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What about revising your tactics to...I dunno...ignore whines? Works for me. I just pop in for the laughs.
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Yes,
-I hope that if one wants to lecture to a community that has its roots going back nearly two decades, that they've been around long enough to have a clue.
Let me see if I paraphrase this idea correctly. If you have had a life before now you are unable to have an opinion? Unwritten forum rules: If you have been playing longer than someone else, your entitled to be louder than they are and therefore must be right in your opinions; The higher your virtual score is the more abusive you are allowed to be; Finally, since you are basically annonymous, you are free to act contrary to accepted social norms.
I am not talking about you in particular, sir, I am just referring to the feel of the boards. The topic of ho'ing, vulching, etc., will be on here forever, the real problem is one of respect and how we express ourselves to one another. Like this thread, there is an abundunt lack of tact and well thought out argument.
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You know, everyone always say that "Rook are always at high alt!" or "Bish always horde!", but if you play for all 3 sides for a while you'll notice that all countries do the same thing. Bish, Nits, and Rooks all have times where they fly at 10-15K and they have times where hey don't. Bish, nits, and Rooks have times where they have a horde going, and there are times when they are on the recieving end of one. So, please stop accusing one country of being "Alt Monkey's" or "Horde Masters" when all countries do it.
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Let me see if I paraphrase this idea correctly. If you have had a life before now you are unable to have an opinion? Unwritten forum rules: If you have been playing longer than someone else, your entitled to be louder than they are and therefore must be right in your opinions; The higher your virtual score is the more abusive you are allowed to be; Finally, since you are basically annonymous, you are free to act contrary to accepted social norms.
Halo. Would you just walk into a cozy bar where everyone knows everyone else, decide that you disagree with their dart an pool house rules and ettiqute, and decide to demand they change it to the way you think they should be? Or would you reserve judgement long enough to decide whether you want to find another establishment, or like the place enough to hang out, figure out the pecking order, and maybe suggest improvements as the regulars get to know you?
I've see really great posts by relatively new players, and I've seen post by people that have been around forever where you wonder where their head has been at all these years. Time playing AH, and scores do not make one automatically right, or wrong. Fact is though, that the scope of ones perspective affects the quality of their opinion.
You might want to view the unwritten rule of thumb as: if a number of game vets jump in, in opposition of a topic...odds are they know what they're talking about.
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I am a dork and I make dorky posts!
I totally agree with you! :aok
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Good, I intend to ignite one with the whiners. :D
They whine about picking because they dont want to go to 15-20k, they can whine at me all they want. :D
You failed to do just what you quoted, when you first posted. You have no credibility with your "desires". We realize "You've been giving hell since Tour 78." (http://ide.li/modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Yes,
-I hope that if one wants to lecture to a community that has its roots going back nearly two decades, that they've been around long enough to have a clue.
well put that about sums that up :lol :O :rock
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Quit whining...
And your post would be classified as...?
donkey
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But, but, but, but, I dont want to go to 15 - 20k (I cant see the ground from there)...........come down and fight like a man, I dares ya....(actually, dont bother, I'm such an easy kill - you'll just get picked once you've killed me...lol..)
Sorry, I just had to.......really
Wurzel
lol yea. I used to only fight down low. And when people complain about the Hoicane 2cs, its probably cause of the fact that they were picking and got Ho'ed.
Oh and Latrobe, the thing about the Rooks always being higher then everyone else, thats just a little joke. I've picked plenty of rooks in my Jug-40. The bish horde though, is actually really true, I've seen 10 bishops on 1 plane while I got 2-3 easy kills on my six.
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:salute All !.....Being 90% on CV's as a gunner, I have seen some nice 1 on 1 fights just outside gunners range. ! Sorry to say that happens not as frequently as it shoud./ Defending CV's in most cases, seems to be forgotten, very seldom some one will inform U, that a set of bombers r on the way, for they r chasing a spit back to the base that we r trying to capture >..
This is not a whine !!!... just an observation... It is very sad to watch good fights disappear from gunners position :uhoh... when only a Jug or p38 dives on CV in kamikazee way......and then, of corse, there goes nice fights :mad://
If a CV is near a base,,, Ur own or enemy, fighters should stay around, maybe just outside gunneries range, for lately the CV's seem to easy to convert into Submarines :cry
Just an Old guys observation... that finds fun being in AH, except to old to fly, and look for a good fight !
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lol yea. I used to only fight down low. And when people complain about the Hoicane 2cs, its probably cause of the fact that they were picking and got Ho'ed.
Oh and Latrobe, the thing about the Rooks always being higher then everyone else, thats just a little joke.
But it's twuu...it's twuu :D
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Yes get alt on me by all means.
I actually prefer when my opponent starts with more alt then me.
Only a precious few know what to do with it anyway.
The rest I just use all that Alt an E against them.
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What about the old Red Baron from dynamix? That had to have been before air warrior, and that was in the early 90's.
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Well, I sorta let them have the alt if they are level with me. I dive down for a low merge and most dont know how to counter it. I just pull up behind them after they try and fail to get a deflection shot on me (for some reason, they always fail) and I bring my plane up into an Immelan and kill them.
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What about the old Red Baron from dynamix? That had to have been before air warrior, and that was in the early 90's.
Au contrair, mon frere.
Wikipedia:
Air Warrior was an early multiplayer on-line air-combat simulator. A player is able to fly a simulated World War II aircraft, fighting with and against other players, each flying his own simulated aircraft. It was introduced in 1986 by Kelton Flinn and his company Kesmai. At this time the internet was not generally available outside the worlds of government and academia. Kesmai therefore used the online service GEnie for the game's networked communication.
Air Warrior originally ran on Apple Macintosh, Commodore Amiga, and Atari ST computers, had simple black and white wireframe graphics, and cost over $10/hour to play. Over time, Kesmai produced improved versions of the game, starting with SVGA Air Warrior (AWSVGA) in 1993, and continuing with Air Warrior for Windows (AW4W) in 1996, Air Warrior II (AWII) in early 1997, Air Warrior III (AWIII) later in 1997, and finally Air Warrior III Millennium Version (AW:MV) in 2000.
Kesmai also did business deals to provide access to Air Warrior through additional on-line services, including Delphi, CRIS, CompuServe, America Online, Earthlink, Gamestorm and CompuLink. A version of Air Warrior for Windows was ported back to the Macintosh in 1997 in an Internet open beta, and then later moved to America Online. In 1999, Electronic Arts purchased Air Warrior, and became provider of the latest version of the game, only to discontinue it in 2001. The last version was Air Warrior III Millennium Version, and the last day of on-line flying was December 7th, 2001, the sixtieth anniversary of the attack at Pearl Harbor.
Air Warrior was influential; two of the most popular multiplayer air-combat simulators of 2005 - Aces High and WarBirds have key developers who are former Air Warrior pilots and former members of the Air Warrior community. In particular, Dale "HiTech" Addink and Doug "Pyro" Balmos were lead software developer and project manager, respectively, for the original version of WarBirds. They then went on to found HiTech Creations, producer of Aces High.
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Careful... you don't want to end up like Nancy...
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And when people complain about the Hoicane 2cs, its probably cause of the fact that they were picking and got Ho'ed.
The Hurri dweebs are the most numerous cherry pickers of all. I have seen peeps fly 1/2 sector in a hurri to jump into a 1vs1 to steal the kill. To them, its the only planes they can catch, the ones that are stall fighting. :rolleyes:
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They're not the most numerous.. I can remember nearly every single time a Hurricane has climbed to enter a furball from the top, but I certainly can't keep track of the number of times almost every other plane in the planeset has done the same. It might be as ridiculous as a D3A doing it, but it's not the most widespread, numerous instance of some guy wanting to enter a furball with a disproportionate altitutde advantage.
As for some teen noob trying to teach old monkeys new tricks :rolleyes: :lol
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Au contrair, mon frere.
Wikipedia:
Air Warrior was an early multiplayer on-line air-combat simulator. A player is able to fly a simulated World War II aircraft, fighting with and against other players, each flying his own simulated aircraft. It was introduced in 1986 by Kelton Flinn and his company Kesmai. At this time the internet was not generally available outside the worlds of government and academia. Kesmai therefore used the online service GEnie for the game's networked communication.
Air Warrior originally ran on Apple Macintosh, Commodore Amiga, and Atari ST computers, had simple black and white wireframe graphics, and cost over $10/hour to play. Over time, Kesmai produced improved versions of the game, starting with SVGA Air Warrior (AWSVGA) in 1993, and continuing with Air Warrior for Windows (AW4W) in 1996, Air Warrior II (AWII) in early 1997, Air Warrior III (AWIII) later in 1997, and finally Air Warrior III Millennium Version (AW:MV) in 2000.
Kesmai also did business deals to provide access to Air Warrior through additional on-line services, including Delphi, CRIS, CompuServe, America Online, Earthlink, Gamestorm and CompuLink. A version of Air Warrior for Windows was ported back to the Macintosh in 1997 in an Internet open beta, and then later moved to America Online. In 1999, Electronic Arts purchased Air Warrior, and became provider of the latest version of the game, only to discontinue it in 2001. The last version was Air Warrior III Millennium Version, and the last day of on-line flying was December 7th, 2001, the sixtieth anniversary of the attack at Pearl Harbor.
Air Warrior was influential; two of the most popular multiplayer air-combat simulators of 2005 - Aces High and WarBirds have key developers who are former Air Warrior pilots and former members of the Air Warrior community. In particular, Dale "HiTech" Addink and Doug "Pyro" Balmos were lead software developer and project manager, respectively, for the original version of WarBirds. They then went on to found HiTech Creations, producer of Aces High.
Great Recap on Air Warrior! :salute
I started in 1996 on AOL, dialup...:) I remember a game download taking all night! (the extra planes and art took another night!) :eek: Retuning the dialup to 9600 speed to make gameplay less warpy and stable....got the first Miscrosoft Forcefeed stick...$175 which I still have...and it still works....but I don't use it now. The 97 CON was my first CON...was a closed Beta Tester for AW3D. Left in 1999 with AWME and crap connections and broken promises.
AH was in Open Beta, I joined when there were 5 or so planes...and it has been the best experience since. HT and Crew have maintained this SIM very well, a few bumps here and there, but their attention to detail and players' needs are commendable. We never get what we all "think" we need, but this is a business, afterall. As long as I am able, I will continue to support and play AH.
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Words to live by, angelhair.
"It is better to remain quiet and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
INteresting...
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Words to live by, angelhair.
"It is better to remain quiet and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
Ben Frankilin?
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Dr Phil :aok
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"You've been giving hell since Tour 78." (http://ide.li/modules/Forums/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Those that put that in their signatures should change "been playing since" to "been a tool since...".
ack-ack
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Those that put that in their signatures should change "been playing since" to "been a tool since...".
ack-ack
Been a tool since birth...phbtbtbtbtbtbt :D
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Dr Phil :aok
Where? Does Dr. Phil play AH? I'd love to see what HE had to say on/about ch. 200 :rofl
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Dont mind me, Im just walking through *Waves*
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Au contrair, mon frere.
I wrote a very similar post for this thread yesterday, but decided not to post. It was a bit more about community tho'.
What I find AMAZING is that the people flying AcesHigh don't realise that AirWarrior was the FIRST MMO game ever.
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I wrote a very similar post for this thread yesterday, but decided not to post. It was a bit more about community tho'.
What I find AMAZING is that the people flying AcesHigh don't realise that AirWarrior was the FIRST MMO game ever.
we understand that, But, im sick of hearing about AW..thats all ive heard about since i started this game years ago.
Its like thats damn "Walked to school in the snow up hill both ways" story...get tired of hearing it after a while
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Bipolar please empty your locker and leave the keys at the front desk on yer way out <g,d,r>
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Quit whining
No.
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i personally got nothing against hoing, i wont do it, but idc if someone does it 2 me..... but cherry pickers, its like come on, when i have alt on somone , i make it a fair fight and go down to there alt and fight em, and i wont fire on em till i am at there alt and have burned off a bit of speed :aok
-BigBOBCH
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we understand that, But, im sick of hearing about AW..thats all ive heard about since i started this game years ago.
Its like thats damn "Walked to school in the snow up hill both ways" story...get tired of hearing it after a while
Well, I did walk in the snow in Michigan, uphill both ways to school! :) And I flew Air Warrior too! neener...
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I wrote a very similar post for this thread yesterday, but decided not to post. It was a bit more about community tho'.
What I find AMAZING is that the people flying AcesHigh don't realise that AirWarrior was the FIRST MMO game ever.
I believe first "graphic" MMO. MUDs were in place long before AW but those were all text based affairs.
ack-ack
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Bipolar please empty your locker and leave the keys at the front desk on yer way out <g,d,r>
can i keep the pink fuzzy thongs?
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Dont mind me, Im just walking through *Waves*
:rofl :rofl
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:rofl :rofl
and hes the only one that got it...hahahaha
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and hes the only one that got it...hahahaha
Do I get a carrot? :)
:rofl :rofl
donkey
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wow, this is long. :D
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I believe first "graphic" MMO. MUDs were in place long before AW but those were all text based affairs.
ack-ack
that is indeed correct.
the first MMO's were all text based Fantasy type games (IIRC).
those pre-date my computer days by @ a decade.
I do remember playing Zork on my Apple II back around 1980 ish.
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wow, dude, thats a while back. :O
God, I remember playing a tank game on a computer with little green squares and triangles representing the enemy tanks. :devil
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Lets step into the time machine back to 1980...
Anyone remember the original SNAKE?
How about the original LABYRINTH?
There was also a game I used to play called STARFIGHT.;
Ahhh the lunch hours I wasted in the school computer room...
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Hello---ok I'm new to AH---and so take my remarks as those of a newb. I did "fly' Warbirds from the 1st version (as jahgyd and biggus) until 1999 and then Warbirds again for last 3-4 years until my squad moved here [Parrots]. Complaining, arguing, and whining seem to be common to both games on Channel 200 and its equivalent in WBs---and I find that unfortunate. Here are some of my thoughts on common points of contention.
(1) HOs. Well, if you read any of the Osprey series books (see the CBI P-40 book or Hurricane Aces book as examples)---they are FULL of first hand battle accounts---which are FULL OF HO's [including Hurri Is HO-ing 110s :huh). Now from the point of view of "playability" I agree that simply flying straight at one another---guns ablazing, would be boring. When will I HO?
(a) When my AC gives me a decided advantage to do so----if a C-202 wants to HO me in a 110G or 190A8---no problem.
(b) If I am hoplessly outnumbered---I gotta take the shots I get---not wait around to be slowly killed 5 on 1.
(c) If my opponent won't give me any other shot. Had an LA-7 and Spit ----dragging over Wirbels on ground---only shot I had after many attempts was HO---I'm not gonna follow them over the Wirbels.
(d) There are some pilots who seem to do nothing but pull up into HOs (lotta La-7s seem to do this) sometimes you just take the shot.
(e) there seem to be a fair amount of pilots who can't tell a front quarter deflection from an HO. I've killed people who ---couldn't have hit me--but they think I HO-ed them
(f) If I can rudder in for a snap shot by surprise (with hope of no return fire) I will.
(2) Ramming----I suspect most of this is just screwing up---I would NEVER ram an enemy AC---but I've had my share of frustrating collisions.
(3) here is one I like to PRIVATELY whine about to myself-----stick stirring----this is IMO---just "gaming the game" to stay alive at all costs. I will pursue a "stick stirrer" into AK, Wirbels, hell, and ALL THE WAY BACK to base---just for the satisfaction of 1 kill and 100% ammo spent.
Enjoying the game---let's keep it civil and fun.
:salute :salute Impakt
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Hello---ok I'm new to AH---and so take my remarks as those of a newb. I did "fly' Warbirds from the 1st version (as jahgyd and biggus) until 1999 and then Warbirds again for last 3-4 years until my squad moved here [Parrots]. Complaining, arguing, and whining seem to be common to both games on Channel 200 and its equivalent in WBs---and I find that unfortunate.
You know what else is common to both? Complaints that the game has gone down hill and you can't find a decent fight anymore. ;) If you look at it the right way, what you've pointed out is the silver lining: things haven't got any worse! :rofl
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I've found plenty. I was at 15k looking for some rooks to pick, ran into a spit 8. P47 vs. Spit-8 usually isnt fair. This guy was sorta nooby so it was real fun. I would bring my plane into an immelan, full flaps, while he would be on a turn. Finally, he did a split-s and I just did a slight flat turn, killed him. But we were fighting for like 10 minutes atleast. :aok
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I've found plenty. I was at 15k looking for some rooks to pick, ran into a spit 8. P47 vs. Spit-8 usually isnt fair. This guy was sorta nooby so it was real fun. I would bring my plane into an immelan, full flaps, while he would be on a turn. Finally, he did a split-s and I just did a slight flat turn, killed him. But we were fighting for like 10 minutes atleast. :aok
:huh
:rofl
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One other aspect that I sometimes find somewhat bothersome. There are a few people who constantly get after their teammates for not focusing on base seizing and ultimate victory. Perhaps they should understand some points and be a tad more tolerant.
(1) My interest in these sims (WBs and now AH) was purely historical. I was thrilled to have an opportunity to compare the various AC in a simulation against live human opponents. So, sometimes (if I only have an hour to spare) I like to go up and just fight human opponents. I usually take rides that interest me (last TOD I took P-40E most in Late War) not necessarily the "uber" rides. Some of these planes need to be flown BnZ so "picking" is what needs to be done (I don't want to spend all of my time in a Zeke, Nik, or Hurri IIC). Since I am paying a subscription to paly a sim for my enjoyment I find it galling to be admonished for not focusing constantly on some "victory goal" that isn't always my priority.
(2) With that said---I do partake in missions, base seizures, troop and supply running, etc---when i have the time and inclination and particularly when my squad is doing so.
So, perhaps these people should stop calling the lone eagle furballers "idiots" and just realize that people are up for different things at different times. Just a thought----not a big problem thanks to the squelch function. :)
<S> Impakt
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One other aspect that I sometimes find somewhat bothersome. There are a few people who constantly get after their teammates for not focusing on base seizing and ultimate victory. Perhaps they should understand some points and be a tad more tolerant.
(1) My interest in these sims (WBs and now AH) was purely historical. I was thrilled to have an opportunity to compare the various AC in a simulation against live human opponents. So, sometimes (if I only have an hour to spare) I like to go up and just fight human opponents. I usually take rides that interest me (last TOD I took P-40E most in Late War) not necessarily the "uber" rides. Some of these planes need to be flown BnZ so "picking" is what needs to be done (I don't want to spend all of my time in a Zeke, Nik, or Hurri IIC). Since I am paying a subscription to paly a sim for my enjoyment I find it galling to be admonished for not focusing constantly on some "victory goal" that isn't always my priority.
(2) With that said---I do partake in missions, base seizures, troop and supply running, etc---when i have the time and inclination and particularly when my squad is doing so.
So, perhaps these people should stop calling the lone eagle furballers "idiots" and just realize that people are up for different things at different times. Just a thought----not a big problem thanks to the squelch function. :)
<S> Impakt
I agree its your money and you should play for your enjoyment. When someone else starts paying your way then they can tell you what to do.... :salute
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I don't think anyone is telling anyone else how to play. They are just pointing out the folks with less than stellar performances or as some call it "dweebery".
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One other aspect that I sometimes find somewhat bothersome. There are a few people who constantly get after their teammates for not focusing on base seizing and ultimate victory. Perhaps they should understand some points and be a tad more tolerant.
You're not Bish are you? The Bish had one such, very vocal example who will remain nameless. Every time I logged on this individual was whining on country channel how all the Bish were losers and he was the only one who knew how the game should be played.
One Saturday morning or afternoon, I finally got sick and tired of it. I called him out on country channel and a slew of name-calling ensued. A few others chimed in suggesting that maybe I was right.
That was the end of it. I haven't seen this person play armchair general/country de-motivator since. I'm so glad I spoke up.
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lol, i think some other chess piece country is dealing with that tard now
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I use to be all "A1 under attack" "Help or A1 and the war is lost", but I figured out after a year of playing that it's not worth the typeing and that everyone is playing the game their own way, and haveing fun. If you don't agree with how someone is playing, then you just need to state that you don't and if that person doesn't want to change what they are doing, then there is nothing you can do about it.
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I like that photo of Bob bongaroo :rock----why my handle was 'jahgyd' when I was young enough to pull it off :(.
I think that player is now a rook--as my squad is at present. I watched him call people "idiots" for about three hours on 5 consecutive days (hehe) and finally chimed in to say he wasn't very civil to others (just that--"you aren't being very civil")----wow---I got and still get a lot of insulting chatter from him now----I usually squelch upon logging in. No biggee---its a game---I imagine there may be real life issues at play---but it can be boring to read.
<S> Impakt