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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: PFactorDave on April 14, 2008, 12:54:40 AM
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Greetings all.
I've recently discovered that I rather enjoy fighting in the Mossie. Sure I end the majority of my fights as a spinning piece of charcoled wood, but hey, I'm having fun. I like the way that the Mossie plows through the air retaining E, and I really like the gun layout (being of questionable gunnery skills, the Mossie's gun pattern seems to help me to put a larger concentration of bullets on target.)
I also like how after a couple hours of flying a Mossie, when I grab a Spit or Zero to defend a base, they feel extra nimble. Kind of like a baseball player swinging a weighted bat in the warm up circle (flying a Mossie), then going to a lighter weight for the at bat (the Spit/Zero).
I'd really like to hook up with somebody who has some Mossie experience that I could ask a few questions of and perhaps spend some time in the TA with to improve my handling of the bird. I'm not really wanting to be the scourge of the skies or anything like that, I just want to improve enough to make a better showing.
I've read what few write ups that I could find, and have learned a few things. I've even gone to the trouble of setting myself up to be able to control my engine throttles separately (or together), but haven't yet put that to effective use.
I have a pretty fair understanding of the concepts of ACM, E-management, etc. I simply lack the experience and skills to put them into effective practice.
Thanks in advance! :salute
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I like to dabble with the Mossie a little. I mainly use it as an attack platform but I do like to get into a good scrap with it.
I'm relatively useless with it in a dogfight, though, I have a habit of putting it into a flat spin. Engines off and nose down and engines back on at full power once you get nose-down is a simple enough recovery but I find myself egressing from a fight I was previously getting the upper hand in because I pushed the Mossie too hard.
I've also noticed that it has atrocious handling with one engine. I rarely fly two-engined aircraft, so I can't remember how the 110 handles with 1 engine out but I know that it's a real handicap in the Mossie. I tried landing with 1 engine out and the remaining engine still on... Bad move. I got too slow... powered up a little bit (gently, too, I might add) and put myself in a flat spin. Luckily the universe was alinged in my favour at the time and I came down on the field in said flat spin, taking both wing tips off and damaging my remaining engine. The gear stayed intact and I managed to roll backwards onto the runway for a successful landing. :rofl
Basically, I follow the same engine-out procedure I use for the 262 in the Mossie now. Keep it flying on 1 engine while you RTB. Once on final and you've sorted your approach out, turn the remaining engine off and, for the Mossie, drop RPMs on the remaining engine (both, if both engines are still spinning) and just land it dead-stick.
I can't really be more helpful than that, sorry.
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Greetings all.
I've recently discovered that I rather enjoy fighting in the Mossie. Sure I end the majority of my fights as a spinning piece of charcoled wood, but hey, I'm having fun.
Always glad to meet another Mosquito fan. I see you also have the right spirit - keep it up!
I also like how after a couple hours of flying a Mossie, when I grab a Spit or Zero to defend a base, they feel extra nimble.
I know what you mean, I always find it funny when I up a spit or Ki84 and start executing elaborate moves and maneuvers, managing the E and suddenly I realize - hey, I can just yank the stick and blast them instead :D
I'd really like to hook up with somebody who has some Mossie experience that I could ask a few questions of and perhaps spend some time in the TA with to improve my handling of the bird. I'm not really wanting to be the scourge of the skies or anything like that, I just want to improve enough to make a better showing.
Sorry I can't help you there. I hope one of the more active players will step up. I can only offer a couple of films and my old Mosquito guide, if you have not seen it already.
I've also noticed that it has atrocious handling with one engine.
Tween engine planes will have great problems on one engine at low speeds, when the rudder is not effective enough to counter the yaw. Landing should be performed with minimal power and relatively high approach speed. If you lost the rudder as well, the mosquito will have a serious problem in breaking. Try to nail the tail wheel to the ground ASAP and zigzag (carefully) so you don't run out of runway.
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Sorry I can't help you there. I hope one of the more active players will step up. I can only offer a couple of films and my old Mosquito guide, if you have not seen it already.
I would love to take a look at some of your films as well as your guide (think I may have read it already, but would like to make certain).
Thanks
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I would love to take a look at some of your films as well as your guide (think I may have read it already, but would like to make certain).
Thanks
Same here.
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Yossarian
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I believe Karnak is a very good mossie stick, perhaps give him a pm asking for some wing time?
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http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/AIpwn2.ahf
:noid
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Look into BatfinkV. Best Mossie pilot i know of.
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Look into BatfinkV. Best Mossie pilot i know of.
:aok
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mossies are ace :)
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I've been know to dabble in Mossies. Look me up in game. Currently flying Rook. PM me or tune to 199. Mondays and Wednesdays 7-9 PST are best times to get me.
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I believe Karnak is a very good mossie stick, perhaps give him a pm asking for some wing time?
I used to be decent, but not anymore. I don't fly enough and am very rusty.
Thrila was always better than I, ask him.
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Thrila was the one who got me interested in the mosquito, he flew it so well i had to try and learn. If anyone here is the mossy king it is thrila, but thanks for kind words. look me up in game dave, i usualy have time to spare in TA. S!
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Thrila was the one who got me interested in the mosquito, he flew it so well i had to try and learn. If anyone here is the mossy king it is thrila, but thanks for kind words. look me up in game dave, i usualy have time to spare in TA. S!
I will. Got a lot of RL stuff going for the next few days, but as soon as things calm down a bit I'll give you a yell.
Thanks!
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PFactorDave, here is the thread I started as a campaign to fix the old mosquito FM. Most of my experience is flying the old FM, but the majority of the points mentioned there still hold. I am far from the best mossie stick, especially these days (on temporary leave), but I have been around enough to know what I am doing.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,206568.15.html
The films (I dont remember if all of them are in the thread):
http://files.filefront.com/MOSS+16+0430ahf/;4914737;/fileinfo.html
http://files.filefront.com/moss_f6fahf/;7684214;/fileinfo.html
http://files.filefront.com/moss+38+rollingahf/;9280798;/fileinfo.html
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I was going to say solar10 but he has already posted on this thread. He is about the best dog fighter with a mossie that I have seen in the game.
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I believe the Mossie is the best mission plane in the game. The RAF historically accurate missions I run in them have been 100% successful. The problem is getting guys that want to fly them, its simply Hell getting these guys out of 110s. My RAF missions feature Mossies with 8 rockets and 500lbs's in the bomb bay for GVs, "and all that MG and cannon ammo", Typhies with all that cannon ammo and bombs, Goons in RAF skin, Spit-16s with 2 rockets and a slipper tank, and I even include Tempests, with all that cannon and extra fuel, for guys that want to fly a perk airplane.
1st pass is to take down guns with rockets and BLDNGs. Then just look at all that cannon taking down the town while Spits fly cap. If I need to I task some Typhies and/or Mossies to take out a VH.
Thing about the Mossie is its so fast, even in the grass. Except for the goons the entire mission is barreling along at 330+ mph NOE which makes it almost impossible for an enemy to react fast enough.
The Mossie is a one airplane wrecking crew and I love the thing. The problem is in getting guys to just try one once.
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Ditch the bombs and it becomes worth flying, rich. Get the mossys as the fighter escort without the crippling ord and i'm your man. :aok
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Ditch the bombs and it becomes worth flying, rich. Get the mossys as the fighter escort without the crippling ord and i'm your man. :aok
I have read sever historical accounts in with FB.Mk VIs carrying bombs were escorted by FB.Mk VIs in fighter mode. Also FB.Mk XVIIIs (57mm cannon version) were often escorted by FB.Mk VIs.
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i can imagine it karnak, sounds like a very sensible way of doing things. in AH2 the mossy is about middle fo the road along side the spit16s and la7s. I would wager that in real life you did not want to be flying anywhere near a mosquito that was patroling as a light fighter. Day or night.
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i can imagine it karnak, sounds like a very sensible way of doing things. in AH2 the mossy is about middle fo the road along side the spit16s and la7s. I would wager that in real life you did not want to be flying anywhere near a mosquito that was patroling as a light fighter. Day or night.
Well, the Mosquito was not at its best as a day fighter. It could do it, but....
One account I have somewhere is an encounter between a squadron of FB.VIs returning from a strike mission getting into a mix up with a staffel of Fw190As. End score: Eight Mosquitos shot down and four Fw190s shot down. The Mosquitos weren't toothless, but they did get mauled badly.
Basically the Mosquito was used to escort the Mosquito not because it was tremendously good at it, but because there were only two aircraft that could even do it, the Mosquito and the Mustang. Spitfires and Typhoons are much too short legged.
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Ditch the bombs and it becomes worth flying, rich. Get the mossys as the fighter escort without the crippling ord and i'm your man. :aok
LOL before the wirbels came out I'd agree with you. Now tho??? :uhoh
I'll add that back in my 100% bomber days the Mossie was the only airplane I actually feared.
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Bat, thrilla and Karnak all great mossie sticks (I cant recall running into solar10 in one). To be successful in the mossie I think you need to learn to exploit differential E state and the normal tendancies of your prey. The A-20 is even more of a wolf in sheeps clothing (to date I've never lost a 1 on 1 to a mossie or 110 ever in an A-20 in the MA {although its bound to happen}).
The initial thought when the pidgeon (er enemy pilot) see's the mossie is "dont let him get away" so the tendancy to keep fast. Bat exploits this tremendously in his "uber {force be with you} barrel roll offense" {others may be "defending" but Bats planning on killing you before your even in guns range}. I tend to go for the merge and look for the reverse that way since invariably the poor guy is afraid I'm just trucking all thru. A great ruse is to fly a good under merge but then "HO" from 1.5 or so. It takes away the thought you were "smart" and replaces it with "noob". I get alot of guys who give a me a lazy vertical then watch that A-20 rise up there @#$ like a helium balloon (mossie has similiar zoom).
Thats the real key to the mossie IMO...use the zoom to go E to angles then back to E...nothing outruns a center mounted sawzall attached to a 15,000 lb gunmount with a head of steam up :aok
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I see I have a post from both Thrila and Karnak in the thread, Mechanic has offered to work with me in game when we can connect. I was wondering if Thrila and/or Karnak (or anyone else who feels like they can offer Mossie wisdom) would be willing to field a forum PM or two of questions.
Thanks in advance
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I'll see if I can make some time. I have been working really working a lot of overtime. Messy right now.
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I'm more than happy to help. I wont be flying very often for the 3-4 weeks because i have to study for my finals. I'll be flying at euro hours so the latest i'll ever be on is 12am GMT+1, so don't hesistate to contact me if you see me online.
I did have a massive library of films on my old PC, i'll see if i can find any that may be of use to you. If not i know i have a couple of old films that that are hosted on the net somewhere that i can show you.