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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: SuBWaYCH on April 14, 2008, 08:05:57 PM
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(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/KnightCH/1_39.jpg)
I know that it is from 30th GVIAP. From May of 1945 and was flown by Maj. M.P. Renz. P-39N.
Plane name is called "For the lost Brothers". Thats what it translates to from Russian.
This would be a great birthday present guys.... :)
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How late in May? The war ended on the 8th.
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Shows that he was an ace... 5 kills....
Possibly in other aircraft though.
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How late in May? The war ended on the 8th.
Well not really. They did go to war with the japanese few a few days.
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did they actually fight them? That's always been bugging me
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did they actually fight them? That's always been bugging me
Yes the Russians did some fighting with them in China & I think they hit some of the Northen Japanese islands (but don't quote me on that).
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From P-39 Aces (Osprey) p.95:
"P-39N-1 42-9553 "White 84"
Mikhail Rents flew this P-39N from the beggining of 1944 to wars end. It was painted much like Filatovs fighter, except that its bort number was inexplicably applied in white instead of yellow. On the left fuselage, to the rear of the cockpit, Rents had the motto "For My Perished Brothers" applied, this slogan honouring his two brothers who had died at the front, and a third who had returned home legless."
Major Rents (Hero of the Soviet Union) scored 20 individual and 5 shared victories all with 30 GIAP.
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Sub Ill try my hand at skinning it. Because its a N I should make it on the D right?
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It would be a P-39Q, as its late war, and the Russians usually removed the wing guns. If you have a P-39Q without gondolas its the same as a P-39N.
...If you need a better pic than the one posted, send an email to me at ahsquire@telus.net and I will fire off a new gif scan of much better quality TK.
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Sent.
Got it. Thanks :aok
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Im not a skinner, and I dont know if this site is helpfull, but in case you have not seen it:
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/P39/color_mark_1.php
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/P39/color_mark_2.php
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Ok, I call dibs on 'Red 95' as I have been working on it :noid
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Since I am used to skinning LW birds its taking some getting used to. I have most of the fuselage panel lines done. Ill post a piture of it when Im done with the basic weathering panels and rivets. :aok
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Anyone have a picture of what the wings looked like?
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This one served in the same unit as the one you are skinning, and my info indicates the camo and markings would have been the same. Its a P-39 delivered with the Soviet stars on the a/c by Bell.
http://hsgalleries.com/p39qbv_1.htm
Many late war US P-39s like these were delivered in standard US olive drab (as usual), with Soviet markings applied at the Bell factory, this one seems to be one of those (as well as Major Rents a/c).
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Just for info:
...Most P-39s were delivered with US markings, which is why on many (although not all) you see the green overspray and the red stars over top on the fuselage (the default P-39Q skin as an example), or the US blue circle with the white US star over painted red, or in other cases they used a white circle with a red star design. Depended on the model and year.
My info is that the versions that did have the US markings overpainted, did not typically have the red stars on the upper surfaces, just the lower (again as per the P-39Q default skin).
Later versions that did have them on the upper wings were delivered that way to the Russians by Bell, which I guess the Russians just left them on.
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Damn that is one good looking model.
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I'd like to see that one done, pics i found.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/whiteman78/1_42.jpg)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/whiteman78/1_42_a1.jpg)
Unit: 1st AE, 30th GvIAP, 6th IAK
Serial: 42-20414
Pilot - CO of 1st AE 1st.Lt.A.P.Filatov (21 victories), 1945.
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Any updates TK?
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Damn that is one good looking model.
Yes it is.
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Panel lines and basic weathering done. Got the rivets on all the fuselage and working on the wings. Been trying to get the color right. If any of you have any suggestions since this is my first real non luftwaffe skin is would help alot.
Edit: Here it is with a test color.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/P39Q1.jpg)
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Some pictures I took that might help the red plane is a king cobra. (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/e7f5bccd07.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/b95b9d1dac.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/9a76d90716.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/871e56a922.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/92f5f91793.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/ba686538c2.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/dcbbac6718.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/8266f66ab2.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/6754331f33.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com)
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Very nice Larry :aok :)
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lyric you got any more close up pics of the tial, mid fuselage, top and bottom wings? Would love to get all the text stencils to make it look better.
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No that is it could not get any closer due to barrier. Sorry. Also forgot I had these 2 pics of a 39 that was back in Australia at a local airport it is here inthe USA now. (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/7b5ecfabd7.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com) (http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7503/scan2gr7.th.jpg) (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan2gr7.jpg) (http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1756/scan1at6.th.jpg) (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan1at6.jpg)
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AHHH look at all them targets....er planes lined up all perdy. :uhoh
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AHHH look at all them targets....er planes lined up all perdy. :uhoh
New meaning for the word vulch. Lyric1 landed 50000000 oh hell to many to count.
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Panel lines, rivets and basic weathering done now Im starting on the markings. If anyone has a clear picture of the wings on the car door please post it.
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That looks friggin sweet TrueKill! Nice work!!!
Thanks for working on this skin!
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Great work as always TK!
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My guess is that even the wings on the door in the Osprey book are artists "best guess" TK. Thats all I have.
Sent two new scans to you, let me know if you got them, I think it was the right email (otherwise somebodys going to be surprised ;) ).
...looking good so far.
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Downloading them now. 2.2mb Ill get it some time next week. :P
I dont know about the star on the wings. Iv been looking around the net for that plane but havent got any wing shots. I dont know anything about non luftwaffe paint schemes so Ill do what ever you guys think would be right.
Got the 4x. Its good enough for me to paint it by hand. Its just going to come out kind of blurry. Thanks. :aok
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Ya, I edited my post re the upper wings, cuz I don't know either <shrug>.
...sent a pilot badge pic to you as well, it shows what they were trying to paint on the doors, which were Soviet Air Force Pilots Wings. At least it gives you the actual info as to what the structure was.
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i don't wanna hijack a thread BUT, truekill you make awesome skins, a huge <<S>> goes out to ya, from JETSOM.
alright hijack over carry on.
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i don't wanna hijack a thread BUT, truekill you make awesome skins, a huge <<S>> goes out to ya, from JETSOM.
alright hijack over carry on.
Slips a twenty under the table, "same time next week". :D
First take on the wings.
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Damn, you do nice work.
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That look awesome. TK, I should set you up with some more Soviet skins! They are just as good as your Luftwaffe ones!
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Excellent skin Truekill, nicely aged and weathered. :aok
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I missed adding this picture before at the bottom right it says shell ejection but I cant read it all (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/e0ca66a13f.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com)
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That look awesome. TK, I should set you up with some more Soviet skins! They are just as good as your Luftwaffe ones!
Yea since Iv done the template Im thinking of doing a few more P39Qs. Iv been looking at "Brooklyn Bum 2nd" if no one have done it by the time Im done with this one.
(http://www.aviationphoto.co.uk/P-39Q%20Airacobra%20N139DP%20Brooklyn%20Bum%20Duxford%202007.jpg)
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Well it's almost done. Still need some "dirt and mud" on the under side and a few more things to finnish her off. If you see anything wrong please let me know.
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Looks great only issue I can see if your going off my stencil pics it appears you have some of them flipped around on the wrong side of the plane.
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That blue nose just makes it look good.
Once again, some of your best work TK.
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Just a critique, the a/c has the "US applied" Red Stars, so, ergo, it would not have the outlines of the USAAF markings on it, because they would not have been there to begin with.
Ex. the P-63s in the photo in this thread, awaiting shipment to Russia. They have the Red Stars applied in the USA.
The evidence that "white 84" is a bird with the Red Star applied in the USA, is that there is no overspray of green on the fuselage where the red star is, so, it came with the a/c, unlike "white 23" (the default skin), which was obviously an example of one shipped with USAAF markings on it, that the Russians removed, as you can see the green paint they applied on the fuselage in that example to overpaint where they applied the red star after delivery.
On late war P-39s, you could have examples of both, but if the markings were applied at the factory, which many were, then no overspray, or US outlines. It depends on what exact P-39 you are looking at, and its a case by case study.
"P-39 Aces" page 81: "As wartime production increased and batches of a/c were earmarked for Russia while still on the production lines, a number of markings developments occured. Some a/c were finished at the Bell factory with Soviet insignia already applied, thus presenting the traditional Russian star painted directly on Olive Drab, with no blue circle, or Russian Green-overpainted background".
Filitovs P-39 "Yellow 93" was also an example of that type.
...Looks excellent overall.
PS I don't have a profile for "Brookyln Bum" or I would send it along.
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Ill fix the text and the overspray. Im kinda glad its a russian plane because that overspray just doesnt look good on the top wing.
Squire post or send me any P39 you would like to see made. I found alot of color photos of brooklyn bum 2nd that I can make for me on the side.
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Cool, thx, I will give it a few days to look over what I have, and maybe submitt one that fills out the skin gaps.
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You have a big picture or this one or the marking on the door?
P-39Q-21-BE
Unit: 1ere escadrille, GC III/6 'Roussillon', Armee de l'Air, La France Combattante
Serial: 1 (44-3932)
P-39Q-21 of Cpt.Martin, commander of the 1st escadrille (squadron) of GC (Groupe de Chasse = Fighter Group) III/6 'Rousillon' in Lapasset. This version was equipped with four-bladed Aeroproduct propeller. In contrast to the P-39N previously delivered to the l'Armee de l?Air, the P-39Q were delivered new.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/1ereP39.jpg)
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Me? no, its not in my Osprey book, I only have USA, a few RAF (Aircobra Is) and Russian profiles.
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bump.
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PS I don't have a profile for "Brookyln Bum" or I would send it along.
Not a Brooklyn Bum, but looks like it's from the same unit:
(http://clave.warpstorm.com/gallery-b/P39Q_71TRS_Site.jpg)
From here: http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?p=122969 (http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?p=122969)