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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Impakt on April 17, 2008, 08:36:30 AM
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Ghosth's "hangar queen" comment on another thread led me to another annoying newb idea. We have Titanic Tuesday (with all the Ak dragging I'm hoping for a "Wirbel-less Wednesday") so here is a similar idea. HTC is a business and the market SHOWS that the clients, far and away, prefer the late war arenas. Forcing an RPS or an Axis/ Allied format on the group would be business suicide. However, I suspect that (1) there are a lot of historically interested clients who lament the Pony v Pony, late war 24/7/ 365 reality; (2) this fact means that there are many under-utilized, or never utilized in game resources (Spit I, P40B, etc.). Perhaps 1 day per month (a mere 12 days out of 365) there could be a Titanic absence of the Late War Arenas. Maybe the first month it would be Early War Titanic, the next month Mid War Titanic, the next Month Early War Axis/ Allies Titanic, then Mid War Axis/ Allies Titanic----and then start the rotation again. Doing this might (1) help increase awareness of the fun of these under-utilized arenas; (2) allow planes that are seldom used to be used, (3) increase interest in the "historical special events"---like the upcoming European Time Zone squad event on Sundays. I imagine that it could be done without alienating the "Late War only" crowd since 1 day a month isn't too onerous. -----OKay----enough newb banter---I'll shut-up now.
Impakt
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You know I kinda like this idea :aok
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I would have to say some people would log off because they need their dweeb rides.
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I would have to say some people would log off because they need their dweeb rides.
Great less dweebs in the arena = better fights. I'm just not seeing the downside. HTC is getting paid no matter what. Might be different if they charged by the hour.
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I like it. They could leave one LW arena open with a small cap so the handicapped could still have a place to play.
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The AvA arena already provides you with a chance to use the early war aircraft.
If it were up to me there would be a RPS in the main arenas...muahahaha :t
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Great less dweebs in the arena = better fights.
Very true! Bring the Non-Dweeb-Ride Arena Forth!
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I like it, sounds like the AVA.
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Say No To Rolling Plane Sets. The plane set we currently have isn't fleshed out enough for such a thing and even then, rolling plane sets suck. They sucked in AW and in WB and I'm glad HiTech has already stated they won't be in AH.
ack-ack
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I tend to side with Ack in this in spite of my attraction to limited, segregated planesets. Maybe, in part, because the AvA is really supposed to be the rolling, limited, segregated planeset arena. With historical terrains and attempts at setups that add immersion. Nothing more .... but nothing less.
I know, sounds kinda like an ad. Hmmmmmm .....
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Say No To Rolling Plane Sets. The plane set we currently have isn't fleshed out enough for such a thing and even then, rolling plane sets suck. They sucked in AW and in WB and I'm glad HiTech has already stated they won't be in AH.
ack-ack
Rolling plane sets suck?
Come on, tell us how you really feel.
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well it wouldn't really roll. 1 day a month you would simply have "no choice" but to fly Early War, etc---once in the arena nothing changes. I enjoyed being limited when WBs had one---but I know most just wanna up la-7s, ponies, Niks, 109ks, and Spit 16s all year. I would think being limited 12 days out of 365 would not be too bad ---96.5 % of your time in the ubers and 3.5% in some different planes.
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sounds intersesting m8! :aok
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Maybe it would open some eyes to the great early planes we have.
If you decided to do it tho you could leave LW open for even a few people. They cry babies would be fighting over it!
Strip
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Great idea. It would be nice to see something else besides l-gays and spits all the time. :aok
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Maybe HTC could have a "problem" and only the AVA would be open, but I'm one for being in a F4U and blowing planes up with Meatballs on the side, not chasing 51's all over the place.
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Skuzzy trip over the yellow wire!
:D
Strip
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This sort of happened a while ago, for some reason that I can't remember the LW arenas were closed. If I recall there was about 500 people in the Mid War. It was a nice change not to see hordes of LA-7s and Spit16s.
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Would be good to see early war birds flying around more! :aok
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Would be good to see early war birds flying around more! :aok
Go to the EW arena and you can see them fly all the time.
ack-ack
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True. But boring to go into a room of 15 with only 6 people in flight.
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True. But boring to go into a room of 15 with only 6 people in flight.
And you think by trying to force people into an arena where they don't want to be in the first place is going to somehow increase the arena population?
ack-ack
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The EW arena has mid-war aircraft. :P
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And you think by trying to force people into an arena where they don't want to be in the first place is going to somehow increase the arena population?
(1) Well, if there is no other arena that day, yes. (2) "Forcing" people, if all of the people are of the mindset you describe would be a rather rude proposal, I agree. The question is (and I don't know the answer) are most people like me, i.e., they would like some Early/ Mid/ Axis-Allied action, BUT they usually end up in the Late War because the #s absolutely stink in the other arenas---or am I an odd exception, and people simply want Late War 24/7/365. (3) Presumably, the company (HTC) is expending some (albeit quite limited) resources keeping open these under utilized arenas, and developing and "improving" the fleet of "hangar queens". Using 1 day a month to promote these features doesn't seem imprudent, nor an undue burden on the Late War Only crowd. There is no reason that the idea could not be abandoned if it fails---say after 4 months. (4) It shows that the company is trying to offer some support to those clients in the Axis-Allied, Early, Mid arenas who may be growing frustrated with the numbers and look elsewhere (TW, IL2). Anyway, I would expect some difference of opinion on the matter.
Impakt
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(1) Well, if there is no other arena that day, yes.
All you do by trying to force people to play a certain way, fly a certain plane or in an arena, you'll just drive them away from the game.
(2) "Forcing" people, if all of the people are of the mindset you describe would be a rather rude proposal, I agree. The question is (and I don't know the answer) are most people like me, i.e., they would like some Early/ Mid/ Axis-Allied action, BUT they usually end up in the Late War because the #s absolutely stink in the other arenas---or am I an odd exception, and people simply want Late War 24/7/365.
Look at the arena numbers now, the LW arenas are the far more populated one, why? Because most want to fly their late war birds or at least have the choice to.
(3) Presumably, the company (HTC) is expending some (albeit quite limited) resources keeping open these under utilized arenas, and developing and "improving" the fleet of "hangar queens". Using 1 day a month to promote these features doesn't seem imprudent, nor an undue burden on the Late War Only crowd. There is no reason that the idea could not be abandoned if it fails---say after 4 months.
Again, if you try and force people to do what they don't want to do, they'll just walk and find a new game. Do yourself a favor and search for HiTech's comments regarding this.
(4) It shows that the company is trying to offer some support to those clients in the Axis-Allied, Early, Mid arenas who may be growing frustrated with the numbers and look elsewhere (TW, IL2). Anyway, I would expect some difference of opinion on the matter.
Hate to sound like a broken record but again, forcing people to play in the EW and MW arenas is not the solution or even close to a viable solution. There's a reason why AH doesn't have rolling plane sets or the forced arena play you are wishing for.
ack-ack
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Here's a question Ack-Ack. What would YOU do if HTC only had the EW arena open for a day? Quit the game? Not fly?? Complain because you can't have your uber ride?? Or get up in the air with an early war plane and go kill something??
What if you logged in one day and all the arenas were open but the EW arena had the highest number of people in it. Where would you go and fly?
Do you honestly think there would be a mass exodus of people from AHII and HTC would end up loosing a bunch of revenue if they shut down the LW arenas once a month? I seriously doubt it.
Personaly I like the idea of 1 day a month shutting down the LW arenas, because honestly I think the ONLY people that would complain are the same group of people that constantly complain about ENY, HO's, the collison model, perk the LA7, and those folks that constantly want to shoot down ideas pertaining to early war rides because they'll only be hanger queens.
I would rather fly early war or mid war but the reason I don't IS because the numbers are so low in there. I want to fly were everyone else is flying, the ride doesn't matter to me.
HiTech if you ever read this thread, you should give this idea a try sometime. If anyone cancels their account because of it I'll pay for their last months subscription provided they are NEVER allowed to return. :aok
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I didn't say anything about forcing anyone into the early war arena. I just said it would be cool to see more people in that arena instead of the 15 that are usually in early war. Just read whats replied and don't assume. :aok
Coog03
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Here's a question Ack-Ack. What would YOU do if HTC only had the EW arena open for a day? Quit the game? Not fly?? Complain because you can't have your uber ride?? Or get up in the air with an early war plane and go kill something??
If there wasn't a plane in the EW plane set that didn't interest me, I wouldn't play.
What if you logged in one day and all the arenas were open but the EW arena had the highest number of people in it. Where would you go and fly?
Do what I do know when I log in and see the LW arenas with the greater population number, I go to the MW arena as that's the arena I prefer to play in.
Do you honestly think there would be a mass exodus of people from AHII and HTC would end up loosing a bunch of revenue if they shut down the LW arenas once a month? I seriously doubt it.
Mass exodus? No but don't kid yourself if you think there won't be number of people that will quit if they cannot access the arena or planes they pay to fly in. And on those days when these are held, you'll probably also see a sharp decline in players logging in during this time only to log back in when the arena setups are back to normal.
Personaly I like the idea of 1 day a month shutting down the LW arenas, because honestly I think the ONLY people that would complain are the same group of people that constantly complain about ENY, HO's, the collison model, perk the LA7, and those folks that constantly want to shoot down ideas pertaining to early war rides because they'll only be hanger queens.
If you like this idea then all the power to you but you will be among the minority. The majority of the community has repeatedly voiced their opinion about this, otherwise the EW and MW arenas would have a far greater population than they have now.
As for your ASSumption that my opposition to this idea is stemmed from as you put it, "the ONLY people that would complain are the same group of people that constantly complain about ENY, HO's, the collison model, perk the LA7, and those folks that constantly want to shoot down ideas pertaining to early war rides because they'll only be hanger queens" is incorrect in this case.
My opposition to this idea is the thought of forcing someone to play in a way or fly in a way someone else wants them to. Just because you and some others want the EW planes flown more, doesn't mean you have to force others into doing the same. If you really want to have the population increase in the EW or MW arenas, add more planes for those time lines.
I would rather fly early war or mid war but the reason I don't IS because the numbers are so low in there. I want to fly were everyone else is flying, the ride doesn't matter to me.
That's too bad that you limit yourself in that way, you know flying in the hord. I myself prefer the lower population number of the MW arena, more 1v1s and quality fights. Which is why it's basically the only arena I fly in now with my trusty P-38J.
HiTech if you ever read this thread, you should give this idea a try sometime. If anyone cancels their account because of it I'll pay for their last months subscription provided they are NEVER allowed to return. :aok
I'm sure he has read this thread and like the others that have proceeded it, promptly forgot it.
ack-ack
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Why not have your squad challenge another squad in EW, MW or AvA on a squad night? We used to do this now and then but I haven't seen too much of it lately. Sort of like an informal FSO, if other non squad players want to fly ask them to help even out the sides.
AKwoodee
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Personally, I've been driven from this game partially by life and partially by the fact that Up-Get eaten by between 5 to 20 uber rides-Repeat gets old. I'm all for this; besides, what's your loss if your Superarenas are dead for a day a month? 50 cents and a day with the Mrs(yeah, some of you just quivered)? Half a buck and a day to work on The Honeydo list(there it was again)? Or 1/100th of an iPhone and a day to just sit at the TV and get fat instead of yanking a large piece of plastic around for a day?
Honestly, if I had nothing to do for one day a month instead of a quarter of it, I'd be very happy. :D
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Count me in right behind Ack-Ack, RPS sucked and thankfully we won't see them here.
If your tired of seeing spits and la's, well fly something different yourself. Try a c.205 for a sortie, or a 109E or F.
Diversity starts with you, and yes one person can make a difference here.
Hornet33, WB had a RPS, and see who's left over there now.
People are paying to be able to fly what they choose when they want.
RPS is bad for business, period.
If thats what you want then become a supporter of the AvA, and work within that framework.
But for pete's sake leave the mains alone sir.
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I don't mind flying the others in late war---had 101 kills in P40-E last ToD in Late War---for me a C-205 is my uber ride choice. I mis-wrote it isn't an RPS----it is a limited plane set once a month to support the players who support early, mid, axis-allies. Let me guess---supporting others is of no interest in our me, me, me world. I enjoyed RPS back in 97-98 in WBs----but we aren't talkin RPS----just one day a month Late War closed as an experiment for four months ----you are right----that is an outrageously unreasonable imposition. The nay saying curmudgeons are simply that.
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I would love to see this idea come up for a player vote like the last plane choice did. Just over 2 pages of posts and only a couple of people saying no way, it'll never happen, people will quit the game. Many more people seem to like the idea and support it.
Kinda like when everyone said the B-25 didn't stand a chance because it would be a hanger queen, yet it received the most votes and is seen pretty regularly in all the arenas.
Simple fact is this, one never knows how the comunity would react to something like this. The nay sayers might be surprised.
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The only thing that keeps me out of the early war arenas is the numbers, or lack of them. Not the aircraft.
The actual aircraft selection in EWA is, in reality, very interesting. The tools for great battles are there and all thats needed is the Pilots.
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I mis-wrote it isn't an RPS----it is a limited plane set once a month to support the players who support early, mid, axis-allies.
Again, you're forcing someone to fly the planes you want them to fly because you feel other players should 'diversify'. Here's a hint, you want to support those players that fly early to midwar plane sets and historical matchups? Fly in the EW, MW or AvA arena. Encourage your squadron mates to join you, have squadron nights in one of those arenas, etc. That's the best way to create interest in those arenas, forcing people will only drive them away.
ack-ack
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The only thing that keeps me out of the early war arenas is the numbers, or lack of them. Not the aircraft.
The actual aircraft selection in EWA is, in reality, very interesting. The tools for great battles are there and all thats needed is the Pilots.
If the EW arena's planeset was fleshed out some more then you'd probably see an increased interest. The planeset in the MW, in my opinion, has the best plane matchups and I guess I'm lucky because whenever I log into the MW arena, it's usually 30-50 players.
ack-ack
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Again, you're forcing someone to fly the planes you want them to fly because you feel other players should 'diversify'.
I don't see why the opinion of the mob should be so sacred. People spend so much time at these boards complaining about how the player-base has degraded, and then defend the mob's ignorance and rigidity. :huh
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Hornet33, WB had a RPS, and see who's left over there now.
That's a red herring. The RPS had very little to do with the demise of Warbirds, which was doing fine for a long time after its introduction.
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You know, Acky keeps bringing up forcing people to do things. Not once has anyone said that everyone MUST play the day that this would be in effect. No one's forcing you to play. Like I said above, if you're going to flip over 50 cents and a day out of every 30 downtime, I must say that you need something else to do anyway.
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Then will HTC give refunds to those that are forced out on those days? People play to have access to all the arenas 24/7.
ack-ack
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Would HTC give a refund if the LW server caught on fire and you couldn't play for a day or two because of it??
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Would HTC give a refund if the LW server caught on fire and you couldn't play for a day or two because of it??
You're not seriously using that as a counter point example are you?
The servers crashing or catching fire which results in the game being closed down is far different from closing the majority of the arenas to force players to fly in one particular arena with only certain planes enabled. The term Apples and Oranges comes to mind...
ack-ack
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Great less dweebs in the arena = better fights. I'm just not seeing the downside. HTC is getting paid no matter what. Might be different if they charged by the hour.
Yea, but it's harder to get kills then. :rofl
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Then will HTC give refunds to those that are forced out on those days? People pay to have access to all the arenas 24/7.
I agree that the server-catching-on-fire defense is no good, but I think we pay to have access to whatever HTC wants to give us. There's no binding agreement that says HTC can't change the MA to a RPS tomorrow and not keep the rest of our monthly payment.
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It is simply an over-reaction to argue that a once a month experiment, carried out for four months, at which time feedback would be sought out, and perhaps the event abandoned----IS SUCH an onerous and outrageous burden that people would cancel their accounts----nonsense. It is a "show of support" for the under-utilized arenas,and planes, and is a boon to the MANY people who would like it (add up responses to thread). If the groundswell of hatred for the idea is as you say then stop the event after 1 or 2 tries. Maybe, just maybe, people would like it .
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It is a "show of support" for the under-utilized arenas,and planes, and is a boon to the MANY people who would like it (add up responses to thread). If the groundswell of hatred for the idea is as you say then stop the event after 1 or 2 tries. Maybe, just maybe, people would like it .
Forcing people to play in an arena and fly a certain plane "as a show of support" is bad for business and the game. If you want to support the Early War arena, fly in there yourself (2 sorties in two tours hardly counts). Help promote the arena, talk your squadron into flying in there regularly and convince some other pilots and squadrons to try it out.
If you're going to try and convince people to support your idea, it would help if you at least engage in it yourself. How many sorties have you had in the EW arenas in the last two tours? How many flights have you had in an EW plane compared to a N1K2, La-7, or Spitfire Mk XVI?
ack-ack
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Forcing people to play in an arena and fly a certain plane "as a show of support" is bad for business and the game. If you want to support the Early War arena, fly in there yourself (2 sorties in two tours hardly counts). Help promote the arena, talk your squadron into flying in there regularly and convince some other pilots and squadrons to try it out.
If you're going to try and convince people to support your idea, it would help if you at least engage in it yourself. How many sorties have you had in the EW arenas in the last two tours? How many flights have you had in an EW plane compared to a N1K2, La-7, or Spitfire Mk XVI?
ack-ack
I think it's up to HTC to decide what is good or bad for business and the game. That said, if they implemented even the tiniest RPS, it would hold my interest, and my money is as good as anyone else's. Moreover, how do you know that a 1-day RPS would be bad for business? Warbirds went on for years with a successful full-time RPS... it was lack of development that killed it.
Obviously most of us don't log any time in the EW arena because no one is there when we see the arena selection screen; but I can safely say that I haven't logged any time in a N1k2, La-7 or Spixteen.
I'm honest: I'm not good enough to fly a 1940 bird and still have fun in the main arena, but it sure would be cool to have the opportunity to try it in a place where I would. Sometimes the AvA offers that, but the axis-allies opposition makes people go crazy. :rolleyes: Perhaps the best part of the warbirds RPS was when it was still a 4-country war in 2.0.
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Warbirds went on for years with a successful full-time RPS...
Then why hasn't the creator of Warbirds implemented such a feature to AH within the 8+ years the game has been open to the paying public?
ack-ack
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I don't know. Do you? It could be for any number of reasons. I can think of the following:
Personal preference
A desire not to mess with something successful (this one is the most likely, imho)
Fear of player reaction
But it's certainly not because HTC likes it that a huge chunk of their hard work goes unused a great majority of the time.
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And again, RPS was a misnomer by me---oops---it would have been better to say "once a month no Late War," or "once a month Late War Disabled," or "Once a Month Fixed Early/ Mid/ Axis-Allies Planeset" as an EXPERIMENT. I suppose I'll get my satisfaction in the upcoming European Timezone Sunday Event---though these are somewhat different in feel than an open arena.
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slightly off topic of one day experiment but:
I had a thought that we could have a war arena that started beginning of war plane set & slowly (historically time set) introduced new planes that came into production. giving it quiet a realistic feel to have an uber plane then enemy get an ever uberer(!) plane..so over a month (or week or whatever) the stakes rise.people might only join in later when "their" plane comes in but even that is realistic as USA entered war later & Japan.it would give a truer historical feel to the advancement of plane type and give u a chance to ride some planes u would not normally pick....anyway just a thought
:salute Jimmy
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"Once a month not-your-15$"
No thanks.
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Whilst I like the idea - Im with Ack-Ack on this one. Taking away peoples choices is a great way of upsetting them. Flown a couple of times in Midwar - no la7's etc in there - had some good fights, had some great fun - the choice is yours people - if the ew/mw arena numbers are low, go in and boost em up. Fly on different sides - if nothing else, at least you get to fight people you normally fly with - which increases your experience levels and makes it better for you in the long run.
just my 0.0000002p worth, ymmv,
Wurzel
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I don't know much about EW fighters, but I do like turning on a dime in a spit 1 in base defence and watching 500 hits not killing something.
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I love EW and MW planes. I go to the EW often not as often as the LW though, I do love flying in EW planes in the LW. Its nice killing a spit 16 or lgay w/ a a6m2 and getting 20 perks, so I like the idea. :aok
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what your looking for impakt is called Combat tour and it is coming to a screen near you soon.
Be patient Grasshopper.
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what your looking for impakt is called Combat tour and it is coming to a screen near you soon.
Be patient Grasshopper.
ROFL .. only 2 more weeks ...
I agree with impakt's Idea... A Titanic Early war Tuesday ... Gorgeous
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I would love to see this idea come up for a player vote like the last plane choice did.
There is a HUGE difference between players voting for a new airplane addition to the game ... that only adds value to the game, versus players voting on the possibility of dollars going into or not into HTC's wallet.
When it comes to dollars and cents ... there is a very very small group that gets to give input in this aread and when all is said and done ... there is only ONE vote ... and I'll bet you can guess who that is.
I think it's up to HTC to decide what is good or bad for business and the game.
Bingo ... and HTC has already weighed in on this notion, and as AckAck has pointed out ... it's ain't gonna happen ... especially when there is an AvA arean ... an EW arena ... and an MW arena. Plenty of CHOICE there for all to take advantage of without having to FORCE something upon the "whole".
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Ack-Ack
If you're going to try and convince people to support your idea, it would help if you at least engage in it yourself. How many sorties have you had in the EW arenas in the last two tours? How many flights have you had in an EW plane compared to a N1K2, La-7, or Spitfire Mk XVI?
Your attempt to paint me a hypocrite is going to fail miserably. I don't fly the other arenas because the #s suck----if I want to be where the #s suck---I'll go back to Warbirds. My squad is 80% European and the #s are even WORSE at our squad hours 1500-1900 EST.
I have only been in four "tours of duty" 97, 98, 99, 100. I gathered these scoring stats for the Late War arena for me, Impakt, in those tours.
Kills in P-40E = 201
Kills in F4F-4 & FM-2 = 65
Kills in C-205 = 211
Kills in the rides you mentioned COMBINED (Nik2, Spit 16, LA-7) = 88 (lion's share in Spit 16)
So in the Late War Arena my P-40E kills are more than double my "uber ride kills". The ratio of the # of sorties is even greater since my kill/ death ratio is much worse in the P-40E. Nice try Ack-Ack at more ad hominem attacks---maybe you should do some homework first.
You can have a look yourself herehttp://www.hitechcreations.com/frindex.html (http://www.hitechcreations.com/frindex.html) type in "Impakt" under relevant ToD and see for yourself (in expanded format scores).
I reiterate it is "forcing" for 1 night a month, 12 days out of 365. I still think it would be a low pain show of support for the other arenas and would make some use of the hangar queens. Doesn't matter to me if "it ain't gonna happen"----I can hold my own against the uber ride dweebs in my P-40.
Ack-Ack can't seem to find your scores. What is your in game handle?? Do you actually play?? What % of your time is in uber rides??
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There's a good reason those arenas are empty.
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There's a good reason those arenas are empty.
Which is? When I usually log on in the evening (PST time) there is usually 30-50 in the MW arena. Plenty enough numbers to find a good fight. Though, a more fleshed out early and mid-war plane set would help bring in numbers to both arenas.
ack-ack
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Ack-Ack
Your attempt to paint me a hypocrite is going to fail miserably. I don't fly the other arenas because the #s suck----if I want to be where the #s suck---I'll go back to Warbirds. My squad is 80% European and the #s are even WORSE at our squad hours 1500-1900 EST.
It wasn't a personal or ad hominem attack. You had replied in a previous post that you don't fly in the EW or MW arenas because of the lack of numbers. To which I replied that you should help promote those arenas to get more people to fly in and even had some suggestions on how. I also pointed out that while you are requesting a day where everyone is forced to fly an early war plane because you want more people to fly them was a tad hypocritical since you don't fly in those arenas yourself.
I reiterate it is "forcing" for 1 night a month, 12 days out of 365. I still think it would be a low pain show of support for the other arenas and would make some use of the hangar queens. Doesn't matter to me if "it ain't gonna happen"----I can hold my own against the uber ride dweebs in my P-40.
Read my previous replies as to why this is a stupid idea. No need to reiterate.
Ack-Ack can't seem to find your scores. What is your in game handle?? Do you actually play?? What % of your time is in uber rides??
AKAK. Yes. 0%. Though you might want to look up my scores for the MW arena since that is the arena I spend 99% of my time. See, I practice what I preach.
ack-ack
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Ack-Ack you've conveniently glossed over that I practice what I preach and what you asserted I did not do.
I have only been in four "tours of duty" 97, 98, 99, 100. I gathered these scoring stats for the Late War arena for me, Impakt, in those tours.
Kills in P-40E = 201
Kills in F4F-4 & FM-2 = 65
Kills in C-205 = 211
Kills in the rides you mentioned COMBINED (Nik2, Spit 16, LA-7) = 88 (lion's share in Spit 16)
My post made it clear that this would be an ad hoc experiment lasting 4 days (over 4 months), an EW, MW, EW AvA, MW AvA. At that point the idea could be abandoned. IMO NOT an inconvenience and it would, perhaps stir up interest in the other arenas. My squad came from Warbirds and we've argued THERE----ENDLESSLY----about RPS, Icon settings, the WWII arena, etc.. So, if we are going to switch games (with all of the incumbent struggles involved in so doing) we are simply going to fly where the numbers are greatest. We would screw up the other arenas as we did Warbirds. There are often 8-15 of us on at once----in an arena with 24-30 total this makes things lop sided. I don't see the harm in an experiment. What are you afraid of?? Four unbearable days out of 365??
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Which is? When I usually log on in the evening (PST time) there is usually 30-50 in the MW arena. Plenty enough numbers to find a good fight. Though, a more fleshed out early and mid-war plane set would help bring in numbers to both arenas.
ack-ack
Crappy planes.
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Crappy planes.
MW arena has probably the best plane match up of any of the arenas. *shrug*
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AKAK has made many excellent points in this thread.
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MW arena has probably the best plane match up of any of the arenas. *shrug*
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It certainly does, to some of us. Regardless, there's no good reason to force all players to fly certain planes "just" one day a month, when they don't want to in the first place. The other arenas are there, the E & MW planes are in LW, and they don't get any use beyond a minority. That's just how it is.
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me thinks that moot is preaching to the AKAK choir.
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Regardless, there's no good reason to force all players to fly certain planes "just" one day a month, when they don't want to in the first place.
Exactly what I've been trying to get across to Impakt.
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I really like this idea. It is true some would not enjoy being forced to fly early aircraft but I know many who refuse to fly Titanic Tuesday as it is. It would create a whole new roster of "dweebe" aircraft.
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I'd love reading about it. Not flying anymore. But imagine all the "crowd," especially the good pilots after each other in rigs flying during 12/41 and prior.
The whole slew of pilots I'm talking about.
Would one of the 109's take the cake, and maybe the Hurri 2C? What's your guesses as to which plane would be uber of the '39 - '41 crowd?
Right, Gremlin was thinking along the same lines.
What would we see? "Oh you Hurri Dweeb?" Oh you Wild Cat banana?"
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What would we see? "Oh you Hurri Dweeb?" Oh you Wild Cat banana?"
While it is probably true that people would follow the pathetic urge to have an "advantage" so they can "win" , and that certain planes like Hurri IIc0 would be favored; 4 days over 4 months and then abandonment of the experiment would not be sufficient time for the phrase "Hurri Dweeb" to gain currency. It is too bad that more people don't enjoy rolling the lesser rides in the Late War; I will continue to do so. The sad thing people are missing is the fun and challenge of some of the historical matchups. The reality is that most paying customers at AH are "gamers" who aren't bothered by La-7 vs LA-7 over a map with palm trees; or Zeke vs 109s in Iowa. Its a business and these factors will control. It is a pity some of the alternatives have gone to an unplayable "hyper-realism" like TW. Seems there is no where for someone who wants historical matchups over realistic terrrain to go. I know, Axis v Allies----not gonna work for me for two reasons: (1) numbers, (2) Lutrel and friends (some of friends really nice guys)----his NOE on the deck turf churning (a war against fixed ak and buildings) isn't my cup of tea---so I'll stay out.
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While it is probably true that people would follow the pathetic urge to have an "advantage" so they can "win" , and that certain planes like Hurri IIc0 would be favored; 4 days over 4 months and then abandonment of the experiment would not be sufficient time for the phrase "Hurri Dweeb" to gain currency. It is too bad that more people don't enjoy rolling the lesser rides in the Late War; I will continue to do so. The sad thing people are missing is the fun and challenge of some of the historical matchups. The reality is that most paying customers at AH are "gamers" who aren't bothered by La-7 vs LA-7 over a map with palm trees; or Zeke vs 109s in Iowa. Its a business and these factors will control. It is a pity some of the alternatives have gone to an unplayable "hyper-realism" like TW. Seems there is no where for someone who wants historical matchups over realistic terrrain to go. I know, Axis v Allies----not gonna work for me for two reasons: (1) numbers, (2) Lutrel and friends (some of friends really nice guys)----his NOE on the deck turf churning (a war against fixed ak and buildings) isn't my cup of tea---so I'll stay out.
It was a stupid idea when you first proposed it and still remains one after your countless attempts to bolster your case. I also had a good laugh with your AvA comment, pretty much tells me what kind of player you are.
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It was a stupid idea when you first proposed it and still remains one after your countless attempts to bolster your case. I also had a good laugh with your AvA comment, pretty much tells me what kind of player you are.
Why do you continue to personally attack me?? You accused me, falsely, of not using early war rides, and I put your lies in their place. Many here think a once a month experiment is a good idea read the replies.
Lets examine the "kind of player" I am. As the son of a WWII combat officer I grew up in a world where boys my age idolized our fathers. We discussed and argued about WWII, i.e., "how devastating was the 190?" or "P-51 or Spitfire?" or "I wonder what those Italian rides were like---they look cool!" So, in the mid 90s when Warbirds came out I was thrilled to have some chance to experience (with ALL of the limitations of a flight sim) these WWII AC and compare them (in a limited, simulated way) for myself. I could care less for a "game," or a score, or beating people, or "winning", etc.. My interest was 100% historical curiosity. I'd rather go fly fishing, play with my kids, go for a walk, read a book----than play a computer game. I play no other games, nor have I ever, than Warbirds and now Aces High. Now, with that said (read this with care) I am NOT a dogmatist with regard to playing this game.There are many reasons to play some aren't for others and some aren't for me. I am VERY UN-American and anti- George S. Patton, i.e., I don't give a damn about winning, or competing, or beating people. etc.. So, FOR ME---I don't enjoy fighting against buildings and auto-acks---if that floats your boat good for you. I will do so if my side needs help or if my squad is doing so. Usually, I'm in a beloved ride, i.e., P-40E, C-205, yak-9, Spit 9 -----looking for a historical match up, or just some fun.
As for my AvA comment be forewarned. I'll be curious to see how "territorial" a certain group is after they have a few years under their belts in that arena. I hope I'm wrong maybe they have learned.