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Title: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: SKYGUNS on April 18, 2008, 12:02:34 AM
i think it should be perked, cant kill the piece of crud in an aircraft ever! always gets me at most ranges, Its fire power is too strong and the m16 is rare to see these days. Its good to use but a pain to kill....
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 18, 2008, 12:34:18 AM
i think it should be perked, cant kill the piece of crud in an aircraft ever! always gets me at most ranges, Its fire power is too strong and the m16 is rare to see these days. Its good to use but a pain to kill....
Drop a bomb on it.
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: chrish483 on April 18, 2008, 01:29:01 AM
powerfull=yes  but a base defence should be strong when theres only 1 hanger on a AF and 3 on a VB.

having it perked is only going to put the noobs in a M-16 and they cant aim either one but for lucky shots but they will train and learn from them.

perk it how much tho?  wont bother me or alot of others with alot of points to spend.
perked or not youll still have the same to deal with, maby not those lucky shots from noobs but it wont die any easer being perked.
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: Serenity on April 18, 2008, 03:20:01 AM
and the m16 is rare to see these days.

By that logic, the Me-163 should be unperked because it is very rare to see these days.
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: Larry on April 18, 2008, 04:13:09 AM
Skyguns just stop. Every thread you make is rerun of other thread made a few weeks ago. please just stop it. Go find a thread that has the same subject and post there.
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: valdals on April 18, 2008, 07:25:21 AM
leave the wirble alone its fine where it is   :cry
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: VansCrew1 on April 18, 2008, 07:36:43 AM
i think it should be perked, cant kill the piece of crud in an aircraft ever! always gets me at most ranges, Its fire power is too strong and the m16 is rare to see these days. Its good to use but a pain to kill....

A)Stop flying near them.
B) search theirs at least 3 other topic's relating to the same thing.
C)if your in a plane with no bombs dive in at a steep angle
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: Widewing on April 18, 2008, 07:52:39 AM
Wirbelwinds are best handled by two or more pilots working as a team. One draws fire, the other(s) will attack while the WW is occupied.

However, if you feel you must make a gun run on one alone, simply attack out of the sun (the sun should be directly behind you). They can't shoot what they don't see.

As for me, I just drop a bomb on them, releasing it from 2k above or higher...

I've lost only one aircraft to the WW since it was introduced, and that was my fault for not knowing he was hidden in the trees.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: Larry on April 18, 2008, 08:12:33 AM
I find it easy to turret a wirbel. As WW said come out of the sun. Another thing do do is cut your engine so he cant see or hear you. I start spraying from 1000 to 600 then cut the engine on and WEP. Get as low as you can and try to put a tree between you and him just incase you missed.
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: Spikes on April 18, 2008, 08:19:19 AM
Skyguns just stop. Every thread you make is rerun of other thread made a few weeks ago. please just stop it. Go find a thread that has the same subject and post there.
I've been trying to tell him that for 3 days now...
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: Coshy on April 18, 2008, 11:45:02 AM
I upped an FM2 last night, eny was through the roof, but it carried 2 bombs and 6 rockets.

Had I landed (a K4 ended my sortie for me) I would have landed 3 wirb kills, and 3 or 4 (cant remember right now) 'turreted' wirbs.

All in an FM2.

.50 cals will take out a wirbs turret easy.

The only adjustment that may be needed to be made is an adjustment in their rate of fire. I'm too lazy to go digging through past threads, but didnt the wirb have magazines that needed to be changed? As they are now they may as well be belt fed. It seems there should be a pause from time to time as magazines are changed.

My .02 for those who are interested.
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: waystin2 on April 18, 2008, 11:45:15 AM
i think it should be perked, cant kill the piece of crud in an aircraft ever! always gets me at most ranges, Its fire power is too strong and the m16 is rare to see these days. Its good to use but a pain to kill....

Too powerful?  Nah.  You are obviously flying to low.
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: Yossarian on April 19, 2008, 08:33:52 AM
Skyguns just stop. Every thread you make is rerun of other thread made a few weeks ago. please just stop it. Go find a thread that has the same subject and post there.

If he does that, he'll just be accused of bumping a thread. 
Seems to me like it's bordering on a Catch-22  :D :aok :rock

SKYGUNS, I think it's more your fault that you get shot down by these things.  I'm no expert at this sort of stuff (I know what I'm supposed to do; I just can't do it), but I'd guess that if you manage to get Widewing's tips down, you'll more often than not manage to turret them.

<S>

Yossarian
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: splitatom on April 19, 2008, 08:42:38 AM
i rarely lose them to fighters but i use an a 20 against gvs so i die because i am a large target
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: Larry on April 19, 2008, 08:51:11 AM
If he does that, he'll just be accused of bumping a thread. 
Seems to me like it's bordering on a Catch-22  :D :aok :rock

There are about five "perk the wirbel" threads in the last few weeks. I dont think anyone sees anything wrong with posting in a thread thats about a month or less old, but making thread after thread after thread about stuff that has already been discussed many times is unnecessary.
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: Rich46yo on April 19, 2008, 03:51:18 PM
Waaa, Waaaa, Waaaa

Imagine the lessening of the sniveling if guys would simply look at their altitudes?

Actually the wirbel doesnt have any more reach then an M16. Which shouldn't come as a surprise cause even 20mm Hispanos in aircraft dont have any more reach then the 0.50 guns. After a few weeks to shake this GV out Im at a point where I just dont believe these, "I got killed while 2.500 yds out from a wirbel". Even at 1,500 out your fairly safe as long as your not HO'ing or flying a straight line at a slow speed.

I think the wirbels have made the game better.
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: KTM520guy on April 19, 2008, 04:17:25 PM
Your lack of wirby killin' ability is no reason to perk the thing.

 :noid
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: LTARGlok on April 20, 2008, 10:35:52 PM
Skyguns just stop. Every thread you make is rerun of other thread made a few weeks ago. please just stop it. Go find a thread that has the same subject and post there.

Remember, though, the old saying of" The Squeaky wheel gets the Grease!"

I think that these folks that are being abused by Wirbelwinds believe that if they squeak loud and long enough, that HiTech will eventually give into their demands, and grease them.

.
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: DaddyAck on April 20, 2008, 10:51:41 PM
I get tired of the "Waaaa!  :cry  I don't like it so change it!" posts  :mad:
Here is an idea, don't try and vulch without knocking the VH out....
Or fly higher or dare I say it.....Use team work to kill them.....
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: moot on April 21, 2008, 09:29:09 AM
i think it should be perked, cant kill the piece of crud in an aircraft ever! always gets me at most ranges, Its fire power is too strong and the m16 is rare to see these days. Its good to use but a pain to kill....
Complain here:  adolf.hitler@NSDP.de (http://mailto:adolf.hitler@NSDP.de)
Wow, the automatic profanity filter censors "adolf.hitler" LOL
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: Bruv119 on April 21, 2008, 09:54:23 AM
up your game.

Try using the A20 or Mossie with bomb loadouts.  Get sufficient altitude.  Learn to dive bomb them from above 1.5k away.  If done properly you should have 8 guaranteed kills.

Last time I was on knights had about 6 guys 4 in wirbels, 1 m16, 1 osty.  First dive into the field i whacked 2 wirbels and the m16 in one dive.

You can't just strafe a wirbel and expect to have many parts left, thats what is so great about it.  Anything that forces players to get more skills is a good thing!  The added factor of porking ord/ resupplying ord to aid a sides tactical advantage has also become more important.

Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: waystin2 on April 21, 2008, 10:43:01 AM
up your game.

Try using the A20 or Mossie with bomb loadouts.  Get sufficient altitude.  Learn to dive bomb them from above 1.5k away.  If done properly you should have 8 guaranteed kills.

Last time I was on knights had about 6 guys 4 in wirbels, 1 m16, 1 osty.  First dive into the field i whacked 2 wirbels and the m16 in one dive.

You can't just strafe a wirbel and expect to have many parts left, thats what is so great about it.  Anything that forces players to get more skills is a good thing!  The added factor of porking ord/ resupplying ord to aid a sides tactical advantage has also become more important.



It has been a few weeks since the Wirby was introduced and I am seeing a lot of tactical changes to players dealing with Wirby's.  I drive the Wirby quite a bit both in an offensive and defensive role, and my most feared plane has to be the A-20.  Especially the pilots with the skills to lob from outside 2.0k range and nail you with ords.  Salutes to you guys that can fly A20 so well.  I have begun switching between the Ostie/Wirby depending on cons range from me.  This has caught a few folks by surprise, as the Ostie can reach out and 1 shot/1 kill an AC at 2.0k+.  Using the two vehicles in tandem or interchangeably should be standard procedure for most AA folks now.
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: DaddyAck on April 24, 2008, 12:09:55 AM
I do not GV much, but I think it is a good inclusion to the GV lineup.  It forces different tactics to be used and makes pilots have to adapt.  WTG HiTech :cool:
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 24, 2008, 12:33:25 AM
I do not GV much, but I think it is a good inclusion to the GV lineup.  It forces different tactics to be used and makes pilots have to adapt.  WTG HiTech :cool:
WTG HiTech from me as well  :aok

Let this thread die, now.
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: Yarbles on April 24, 2008, 07:05:04 AM
I am at best in something with 4x 20mm diving on something with 4x20mm and I loose the shoot out cos hess armour plated in a stable platform:(

But dive in verticall and I can kill the main armament with machinge guns :rock

Takes a bit more thought and skill :aok
Title: Re: wirbelwind too powerfull
Post by: uberslet on April 24, 2008, 06:14:48 PM
A)Stop flying near them.
B) search theirs at least 3 other topic's relating to the same thing.
C)if your in a plane with no bombs dive in at a steep angle
best answer yet  :aok :D