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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: spit16nooby on April 18, 2008, 06:58:27 PM
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Well the P-51 is a great plane in the right hands but there were better planes in the war. In here almost everyone jumps right into the P-51 because they have heard it was the best plane in the war. The reason that I think the mustang is so popular though is not its fighting capapability as much as it being able to get to Berlin. Who here hasn't been killed by a plane that was worse than his by a large gap. So say that the P-51 was outclassed in many things it would still be a fighter that would be there in Berlin. Plus also the Germans were starting to lack pilot skill by the time the P-51 came into action. So I think the real reason it is so popular is
A. It was a fighter that could excort bombers all the way to Berlin
B. It faced worse pilots that pilots in earlier planes had encountered making it look like it was an incredible plane.
C. It was a great fighter in the right hands but it took experience something that many new people that use them in here don't have.
Please post any ideas, comments, or disagreemants in a kind manner
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Please post any ideas, comments, or disagreemants in a kind manner
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So you're saying that it's popular in game because it could escort buffs to Berlin?
Sorry...My opinion...P51 is popular because it is fast and turns well, can outrun any plane except jets and maybe the crackshot F4U4/Lgay7.
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Sorry...My opinion...P51 (...) can outrun any plane except jets and maybe the crackshot F4U4/Lgay7.
As long as you believe that, you will get shot down by the other planes faster than the P51 :)
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P51B's a great turner.
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P51B's a great turner.
Average at best.
ack-ack
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First fighters over Berlin were?
I'd suggest that name recognition is a bigger part of why the Mustang gets flown then anything else. Folks know Mustangs Spitfires and Messerschmitts first, and if they learn a bit more find out about the rest. Same goes for the B17
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Thank you guppy thats what im trying to get it not that its a bad fighter.
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The reason people alwys take the P51 is because they're afraid of the Spitfire :D
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51 was probably the best "fly to fight" fighter in the war, but not the best overall fighter by a longshot IMO.
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spitdweebs rule! P-51 is a good beginner plane as well as a great plane in the hands of a good pilot. They are also fun to 1v1 vs any spit as it creates a good fight. Have to agree with the name being popular. It's the same with the Spits too.
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Those Pony drivers just haven't learned how to pick any other planes from the hanger yet.
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P51 is arguably the best prop plane in the game..Period.
You have two versions of it that cater to all altitudes,the best fuel range of any fighter(cept p47n),can carry two large bombs & rockets,exceptional veiws,unequalled zoom and high speed handling,combat flaps,50 cals with good loadout,the ability to digress from an unfavorable situation.
It's only weakness was/is the chance of a radiator hit.
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Of the top four, (Spit, N1K, Pony, LA7), the P-51 is probably the only one which is more popular because of what it is, not what it can do in the MA. You can pick about 10 non-perk planes that are easier for the average pilot to fly in any style other than pure, OPHA boom and zoom.
Thus I salute all dedicated Mustang drivers in AHII, the guys who fly it constantly, relentlessly. You could have taken a few test flights in the AHII representation of your beloved P-51 and given it up for a Corsair or a 190 D9. Instead, you stick by your guns. I truly believe that in the future of AHII, things WILL get better for you...they just about have to.
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The P-51 in real WWII conditions was an excellent fighter. Real conditions, however, include many things that don't matter in the Main Arena: range, speed at altitude, maintainability, and production, for example.
I think that the jist of the first post, though, is correct. I think that the popularity and recognition of the P-51 (the "glamor girl" of US fighters) has a lot to do with it being the most-prevalent US fighter for air-to-air combat over Europe in the later stages of the war. That and the fact that it is a beautiful-looking plane.
There are two US glamor planes of WWII, planes that even the general (non-WWII-enthusiast) US population tends to recognize: the P-51 and the B-17. They are both excellent and beautiful planes. However, as a couple of other examples, the P-47 fought more than the P-51 during peak power of the Luftwaffe, and the B-24 carried more bombs, was faster, had a greater range, and was produced in larger numbers than the B-17. The P-47 -- and similarly the P-38 -- and B-24 seem not to get their share of notice, speaking comparatively of US aircraft.
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To quote (I believe) either Yeager or Anderson (sorry stopped halfway through Yeager's bio to read another book), "The 51 wasn't great becuase it could flat-out dogfight. It was great becuase it could do it over Berlin," or something like that.
donkey
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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if dweebs had on/off switches would anyone ever pull them out of the closet?
This thread is good reason not to.
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Try as I might, I can't do crap in the Pony.
Give me some Japanese or Russian iron any day.
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To quote (I believe) either Yeager or Anderson (sorry stopped halfway through Yeager's bio to read another book), "The 51 wasn't great becuase it could flat-out dogfight. It was great becuase it could do it over Berlin," or something like that.
donkey
Correct me if I'm wrong.
More or less correct.
In AH, the 51 gets a bad rap because 90% of the drivers BnZ and then run when the advantage is lost. Its actually quite a potent little airplane in the right hands.
Seems to do just about everything at 75% which means the driver has multiple options if a single weakness is exploited by a bad guy.
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Everyone always says the P-51 is a great plane in the right hands. Where can I get a pair of those hands? :cool:
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I love the P-51. If you have good tactics, you can absolutely destroy Spits, Nikis, LAs, and any other turn fighters on the deck. The 51 converts from an energy fighter to a turn fighter in a heartbeat, and remains competitive.
I've been in low, slow dogfights with multiple turn-fighters in my P-51 and still come out the winner. Just from using basic tactics, where the other guys weren't using any. Such as : Turning towards my opponent when hes getting a firing solution, making him dive to shoot at me, high or low yo-yo, pitchbacks.
Spend half a day learning a few maneuvers, and your Mustang will be a killing machine.
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I fly the P51D the most because it's american first and foremost. It has a good ord loadout, great fuel range, pretty good gun package.It's has good speed, high speed flaps, a awesome skin (ty Fencer) :aok, and sounds great (ty Ranger) :aok. It's not great in any one role but it's not bad either. Good all around fighter/attack plane.
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problem with the pony in a slow fight is once u loose ur e.U are in one of the slowest excelratin plane in the game..Not good! I flew the pony for 2 years..I no alot about it but if u get slow with a some what good spitty pilot or hog pilot ur done thats all there is 2 it..I dont care who u are..The only thing that makes it a killer in the right hands is its ENERGY retintion..Keepin it just faster with just that much more E than that turny birdy. I dont care who u are and how good u think u are in ur pony.If u dont fly it just right ur gonna go boom..Thats why I really think the guys who have stuk with it and i mean the elite pony pilots are veterans...For the most part the average fellas are pikers flyin it the way it was meant to be flown in the first place. I changed 2 the hog as my fav ride just got tired of havin to alway rely on my e while it will dive as well as a pony. Any one who wants to test there pony against my hog let me no and Ill show u...In a friendly duel of coarse :rock
!!S!! Prove me wrong and ill have to take some pony lessons from u...
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I agree about acceleration Trigg...someone in another thread mentioned how he thinks D9s are flown bolder than Ponies in the MA...not sure about that, but if it is so, the reason would be that a D9 can slow down and fool around playing the E game with a Spit or something, but can also REGAIN its speed in a reasonable time frame when 2-3 of the Spit's buddies come in.
Right now about the only thing the P-51 does better than the D9 in the MA is beat D9s like a red-headed stepchild in turn-fights...that is, P-51 is the worse turner vrs. 90% of the other aircraft, whereas for the Dora its 99.9%. Dora has the better weight-to-power ratio at MA alts, cannon package, roll rate, and here is the clincher, D9 is an incredibly steady gun platform vrs. the slight odd "twitchy" feeling Ponies and Jugs have for some reason.
Now if the AHII Pony actually turned somewhat better than say, the Typhoon/Tempest, (as the Brits say it did), that would be enough of a margin to put the Mustang head and shoulders above the Dora IMO.
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The 51 in good hands in ah can provide fierce opposition for a large chunk of the plane list.
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No doubt evenhaim, but take that pilot is a killer in the AHII P-51, put him in a Jug or FW190, he's just as big a killer. Put him in a Corsair, a 109, a Spit, and heaven help you if you cross him.
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P51B's a great turner.
No it isn't. Not even close to "Good".
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Well the P-51 is a great plane in the right hands but there were better planes in the war. In here almost everyone jumps right into the P-51 because they have heard it was the best plane in the war. The reason that I think the mustang is so popular though is not its fighting capapability as much as it being able to get to Berlin. Who here hasn't been killed by a plane that was worse than his by a large gap. So say that the P-51 was outclassed in many things it would still be a fighter that would be there in Berlin. Plus also the Germans were starting to lack pilot skill by the time the P-51 came into action. So I think the real reason it is so popular is
A. It was a fighter that could excort bombers all the way to Berlin
B. It faced worse pilots that pilots in earlier planes had encountered making it look like it was an incredible plane.
C. It was a great fighter in the right hands but it took experience something that many new people that use them in here don't have.
Please post any ideas, comments, or disagreemants in a kind manner
First off this comment is funny: "Who here hasn't been killed by a plane that was worse than his by a large gap." By stating this you are giving too much culpability to the cartoon plane and NOT to the person operating the cartoon plane.
Next: The P-51 was deemed the Best Fighter of WWII by the History Channel. I'm not qualified to disparage their claim. :uhoh
I'm trying to decipher this one: "It faced worse pilots that pilots in earlier planes had encountered making it look like it was an incredible plane." Not only is the fracture sentence garbled, devoid of proper English, but the Luftwaffe went on regardless of the ride they had at the time. The I.A.R. 80 series was just as capable as a Pony. The Gustav's and Kurfürst's were just as capable. The 190's were IMO, the best fighters of WWII. They had advancements that are still use today, or have been the "foundation" for current usage.
The Pony is a great RUNNERin this game for 95% of the folks using it. The 5% that will gut out a fight, know who they are and should NOT be offended.
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It is as American as apple pie. :rock
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Average at best.
ack-ack
And even then not sustained for very long, maybe two or three turns at best. Both models are very nice in verticle though, with a nice controlled drop. Of course nothing holds in verticle as well as two props and a porked stall model. :D
<S>...-Gixer
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People, aces high doesnt come close to how the war was operated where these planes were used.
Fly the 51D at 18k or higher, and tell me its not one of the best birds in this game.
The p51D was made changed and upgraded to fly ever higher, ever further, ever faster.
Turning is a moot point at such alt.problem is Nothing in aces high's MA happens like they did in the war.
LA7's and such are so ubber because every moron and his mother flys at 10k max.
Its like, putting a nascar indycar funnycar and a dragster all on the same track, then woundering why some people like the nascar or vice versa the best. But like we all know, that is NOT the way the real world used these cars in sports.uuuh simply put, throw any idea of this being WWII right out the window, we have planes bombs rockets and machine guns/cannon, thats about it when it comes to aces high and wwII history or use's.
*Throws two cents*
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People, aces high doesnt come close to how the war was operated where these planes were used.
Fly the 51D at 18k or higher, and tell me its not one of the best birds in this game.
The p51D was made changed and upgraded to fly ever higher, ever further, ever faster.
Turning is a moot point at such alt.problem is Nothing in aces high's MA happens like they did in the war.
LA7's and such are so ubber because every moron and his mother flys at 10k max.
Its like, putting a nascar indycar funnycar and a dragster all on the same track, then woundering why some people like the nascar or vice versa the best. But like we all know, that is NOT the way the real world used these cars in sports.uuuh simply put, throw any idea of this being WWII right out the window, we have planes bombs rockets and machine guns/cannon, thats about it when it comes to aces high and wwII history or use's.
*Throws two cents*
18k? Outside of Bomber Escort or Cap Busting (which is still rare), I'll NEVER be seen that high in a Pony. 38 is better IMO.
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People, aces high doesnt come close to how the war was operated where these planes were used.
Fly the 51D at 18k or higher, and tell me its not one of the best birds in this game.
The p51D was made changed and upgraded to fly ever higher, ever further, ever faster.
Turning is a moot point at such alt.problem is Nothing in aces high's MA happens like they did in the war.
LA7's and such are so ubber because every moron and his mother flys at 10k max.
Its like, putting a nascar indycar funnycar and a dragster all on the same track, then woundering why some people like the nascar or vice versa the best. But like we all know, that is NOT the way the real world used these cars in sports.uuuh simply put, throw any idea of this being WWII right out the window, we have planes bombs rockets and machine guns/cannon, thats about it when it comes to aces high and wwII history or use's.
*Throws two cents*
Throw's back the two cents :)
Keep in mind where and how the tac air war was fought in Europe. Those guys were fighting below 10K. Just talking to that 38 driver last week who flew ground attack with the 474th. They usually were at 8K looking for ground targets.
Certainly the bomber escort missions were flown 20K plus, but it was 'in and air and on the ground' for Allied Fighter pilots from mid 44 on. Combat was flown from the deck on up.
AH is just a game, but if you were to compare it to any part of WW2 it would be the Tac air war of 44-45.
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No doubt evenhaim, but take that pilot is a killer in the AHII P-51, put him in a Jug or FW190, he's just as big a killer. Put him in a Corsair, a 109, a Spit, and heaven help you if you cross him.
Exactly, actaully figting in a pony is a challange but one that makes you all the more aware of your mistakes.
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Evenhaim:
My point is though, the Pony in the ETO wasn't an "eh...it's okay, a jug that can fly farther" airplane. It was regarded as second only to the Spit and P-38 as an Allied dogfighter in that theatre.
Remember, the British said the Mustang turned better than their Typhoon and Tempest, airplanes that clearly whip both P-51s in turning in AHII (Check DokGonzo's fighter comparison if you don't believe me.). You might dismiss the low opinion they test pilots gave the turning circle of 109 as propaganda or ignorance of how to push the turn and use the slats in that airplane. Certainly it doesn't make sense that they put the 109 and 190 in the same bucket, given the former's lighter wingloading and the German's own comparisions. But I find it unlikely that the British didn't know how to fly their own airplanes to the limit, or wanted to propagandize against the Hawker Tempest in favor of the North American Mustang.
A P-51 that turned slightly better than a Tempest would be in a close chase with an La7 in turn radius...and of course carry far more sentimental value. It might quite possibly have to be perked, the D model at least. And that would probably be bad for business, possibly a reason that the P-51 is as it is currently.
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Yeager stated when asked what the difference between the Spitfire and the P51 was.
The P51 does for 7 hours what a spitfire did for 45 minutes.
P51 s turn well. Listened to a talk given by "Bud" Anderson about his engagement with a 109 also recounted in his book "To Fly and Fight".
The P51 did very well wherever it was asked to perform.
Also...I agree with Robt. Johnson. Yes the P51 did very well....because the P47 Pilots killed the most experienced LW Pilots before it saw action!
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when i first signed up with my two free weeks the first plane selected was the 51. i have a suspicion that everyone automatically starts out in a 51.
am i wrong? this is something i havent done any research on but am curious all the same.
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P51 s turn well. Listened to a talk given by "Bud" Anderson about his engagement with a 109 also recounted in his book "To Fly and Fight".
Yeah, I've read that. I'd advise against going into extended Luftberrys in the AHII P-51. At any speed below 400 or any altitude below orbit. Even vs. the K-4.
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I started in the mustang as well, and at one point was quite proficient in it, the p51 does everything it must in small commodities, never do anything for an extended period in the pony, its acceleration is flat out awful to say the least, and below 200 it becomes quite sluggish.
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Yep those 51s never came down :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/355th.jpg)
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Yep those 51s never came down :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/355th.jpg)
Obviously only to vulch.
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Ki 84 will own a pony any day :aok
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Guppy do you have anything on the 38s and (47s or 51s) that raided a field and straffed a bunch of Ta152s?
Neuhausen, 16th of Jan. '45, starting around noon.
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Now i fly the 51 once and a while. But if they had put just one cannon on that thing, i would be flying it nonstop :aok
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Yep those 51s never came down :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/355th.jpg)
*stirs pot*
Wheres Krusty with the paint description of tree hight when you need him. :noid
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I'm new to the game, however I have been flying a P-51B at around 17-18k and I BnZ the guys that are lower, usually have to turn tail after dropping one and regain altitude... but the performance increase in a P-51 from 8K to 18K is awesome, you get a great cruise speed and even though other people don't fly that high in my little experience it can make for some good BnZ... Just have to watch your speed and angle of descent or it'll get away from you and you'll mash the ground at good speed :frown:
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Welcome to the game Dominare.
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Yes, IMO the biggest advantage the P-51 has in this game is that its cruise speed sans WEP is so fast and that it has the range to cruise till the cows come home...above 10K, its cruising around as fast or faster than a D9 burning its WEP! If you meet something co alt or slightly below with a head of steam built up in a P-51, chances are you have enough of an E advantage to work with.
The downside of all is, I swear, it seems like you have to run level two sectors to get the thing up to its max speed.
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.above 10K, its cruising around as fast or faster than a D9 burning its WEP!
Actually the point were P51D without wep is faster than a 190D-9 with wep is about 22K and up.
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Evenhaim:
My point is though, the Pony in the ETO wasn't an "eh...it's okay, a jug that can fly farther" airplane. It was regarded as second only to the Spit and P-38 as an Allied dogfighter in that theatre.
Remember, the British said the Mustang turned better than their Typhoon and Tempest, airplanes that clearly whip both P-51s in turning in AHII (Check DokGonzo's fighter comparison if you don't believe me.). You might dismiss the low opinion they test pilots gave the turning circle of 109 as propaganda or ignorance of how to push the turn and use the slats in that airplane. Certainly it doesn't make sense that they put the 109 and 190 in the same bucket, given the former's lighter wingloading and the German's own comparisions. But I find it unlikely that the British didn't know how to fly their own airplanes to the limit, or wanted to propagandize against the Hawker Tempest in favor of the North American Mustang.
A P-51 that turned slightly better than a Tempest would be in a close chase with an La7 in turn radius...and of course carry far more sentimental value. It might quite possibly have to be perked, the D model at least. And that would probably be bad for business, possibly a reason that the P-51 is as it is currently.
sorry bnz the pomy will out turn typhy and big brother with throttle flaps etc...
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Everyone always says the P-51 is a great plane in the right hands. Where can I get a pair of those hands? :cool:
:rofl precious..
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sorry bnz the pomy will out turn typhy and big brother with throttle flaps etc...
What you probably mean to say is that a P-51 can drop on a Tempest around it's corner speed, drop flaps, pull back on the throttle and sustain a great turn RATE long enough to pull lead for a shot...but practically any plane can do that if the E states are right. P-51 will lose an angles fight with a Tempest from an even break in this game. Not saying thats right, bu that is the way it is.
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sorry bnz the pomy will out turn typhy and big brother with throttle flaps etc...
The Ki-61 will shoot down both with ease.
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Its not the plane. Its what you know about the plane you are flying and what you know about the plane you are fighting. All the talk about this plane owns that plane is rubbish. Be patient in your flying and be aware of the situations that require discretion. Fly the plane you are comfortable in.
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Just tried it with the offline AI my Tempest against AI's P-51B and vis versa.. He always flys the same way, so he makes a good control.
AI always gives you his six on the merge, so that makes things easier than they normally would be. I flew to "stay in the saddle" as long as possible, not to shoot. Although I was able to stay behind indefinitely in both matchups, it was much easer when I was flying the Tempest than the P-51B.
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I'm new to the game, however I have been flying a P-51B at around 17-18k and I BnZ the guys that are lower, usually have to turn tail after dropping one and regain altitude... but the performance increase in a P-51 from 8K to 18K is awesome, you get a great cruise speed and even though other people don't fly that high in my little experience it can make for some good BnZ... Just have to watch your speed and angle of descent or it'll get away from you and you'll mash the ground at good speed :frown:
Welcome to the game, and have fun! :aok
donkey
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51 in the hands of a pile it that knows his plane will beat the crap out of most of this games planes.As the hist ch said.It was the best all around fighter of its era.It can handle trouble and it can get out of touble.
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I'd say the 51 is average for most roles in AHII at best, but I still love the plane, like some may love the 38 or the 109 series. The 51 was first plane I flew in AH, but for me it was something different. At a young age I heard a live 51 in flight and it was something about the sound of the Merlin that gave me chills. The I started reading about the pilots and the battles of those pilots, and I really got into the 51. To see one up close, the lines are quite beautiful and very smooth. As for in the game I tend to fly the 51 the most, and I'm not afraid to get low and duke it out with Spit or LAs. But I have fun doing it. Add in Twinbooms eng sounds, Rangers 50 cal sounds and MachNix and Fencers skins and I'm content whether I get some kills or shot down.
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Its no big secret that its best attributes are its high speed, high and medium speed handling qualities (roll and turn, and combat flap setting at 400 TAS), and a very fast, stable dive, and wing mounted MGs that are reasonably easy to hit with. For those reasons alone its going to be a popular ride. Like all the a/c it has its strengths and weaknesses.
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Pony is the best all around plane in the game. :aok
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Ki 84 will own a pony any day :aok
HEAR HEAR! This man speaks the truth!
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Pony is the best all around plane in the game. :aok
Well said Bucky :aok
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Yet another 2 cents thrown into the fray.
My opinion on the P-51 is that it is an excellent compromise plane. When the pilot executes a modicum of discipline and keeps the speed up to 225 or faster then the pony has no faults to use against it. It does everything to at least a "good" rating and is excellent in speed and energy retention which gives incredible zoom potential. As others have stated its only poor characteristics are very low speed handling and abominable acceleration. Theese two factors mean nothing if you use a tad bit of discipline.
Part of the bad rap it sometimes gets here is that it is by far the most chosen "newb" plane. There are more ponies in the air than anything else. (Lusche can produce the charts to prove that) Therefore an inordinate number of P51 kills are scored due to inexperienced pilots going up against good pilots. (Even mediochre ones like me kill more ponies per tour than anything else. Followed by the spixteen of course. Current tour P51d=43 kills, spixteen=33 kills.) This is not a strike agains the pony. And believe me, when you meet a good pony jockey you learn fear very quickly. I wont name names but there are some guys out there who can make that thing dance. Hats off to them. I can BnZ some in it, but in a turn fight I become a semi mobile target drone equipped with high powered bullet magnets (just in case you might have missed me).
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Ive been a pony pilot for a long time but starting to love the F4u-1d. Very good turning ability and attack mode loadout.
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So you're saying that it's popular in game because it could escort buffs to Berlin?
Sorry...My opinion...P51 is popular because it is fast and turns well, can outrun any plane except jets and maybe the crackshot F4U4/Lgay7.
I was in a fight with 2 p51s vs my F4u4. It seems the F4 accelerates faster but the p51 is overall faster. I did have a film confirming that.
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The pony always wishes it had the extra engine of my p38 as i cruise home for a (crash) landing.
:)
(unless i'm in my ki84, than the p51 just got pwnd and i'm not missing any engine parts or fluids anyways)
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The reason the p51 is so popular is that it was glamourized more then any other plane. It also was so popular becuase the U.S didnt have many planes in the air at the time. (and the U.S being smart and a democracy could've produced something better) I mean Its a O.K plane but some people are very good in it, and is not just your casual noob who flys it because it is said to be the best plane of world war 2.
Just my 2 cents.
(anyways I like two see my p38 reduce p51's to flaming chunks of striped metal :D)
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Well the P-51 is a great plane in the right hands but there were better planes in the war. In here almost everyone jumps right into the P-51 because they have heard it was the best plane in the war. The reason that I think the mustang is so popular though is not its fighting capapability as much as it being able to get to Berlin. Who here hasn't been killed by a plane that was worse than his by a large gap. So say that the P-51 was outclassed in many things it would still be a fighter that would be there in Berlin. Plus also the Germans were starting to lack pilot skill by the time the P-51 came into action. So I think the real reason it is so popular is
A. It was a fighter that could excort bombers all the way to Berlin
B. It faced worse pilots that pilots in earlier planes had encountered making it look like it was an incredible plane.
C. It was a great fighter in the right hands but it took experience something that many new people that use them in here don't have.
Please post any ideas, comments, or disagreemants in a kind manner
heres my idea of why it isnt as good in AH as one may think. even though the recruits in the war didnt have 30 million lives to lern the plane, and they may not have gone through training with it, in Advanced Flight Training they flew the 51's.
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What you probably mean to say is that a P-51 can drop on a Tempest around it's corner speed, drop flaps, pull back on the throttle and sustain a great turn RATE long enough to pull lead for a shot...but practically any plane can do that if the E states are right. P-51 will lose an angles fight with a Tempest from an even break in this game. Not saying thats right, bu that is the way it is.
Well I really never had problems with the 2 in a turn fight there both on my turn fight while im in a pony list..Maybe things have changed since my pony only flying days :D Ill have to try it with a squaddie tonight and ill get back to u :salute
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I avioded the pony-D for a long time because of the n00b stigma attached to it... Then a squaddie suggested a pony sweep to break up a cap at one of our bases and I was hooked. I now fly the pony-D as my primary fighter. It's fast... to paraphrase "Oddball" in the film Kelly's Heros "It can get you out of trouble as fast as you got into it" and it is a good turning airplane. With 1 noch of flaps that you can use at high speeds, it will out-turn alot airplanes in the game at 300kts IAS. My only "wish is that it had 6 hispanos instead of 6 M-2's. It is also forgiving in high compression situations... much more than most. a 109 or a P-38 will be a lawn dart at the speeds that you can dive in a pony. Another plus is the exceptional visibility... Better than most!
<salute> P-51
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Trigg:
I did some Temp v PonyB duels with a squaddie, to try it with a human instead of the AI. If you go into the fight with some decent speed, so you can enter and win a high-speed turning contest and get behind, the Pony with flaps can turn just good enough to stay with the Temp long enough for a shot, especially if the Temp works mostly in the horizontal plane.
But if the Temp is well flown, uses his superior weight-to-power ratio in the vertical more, the Ponys chances goes down, and with the Tempest behind, it seems like only throttle management is required, Tempy can saddle long enough to get the fatal shot just using abit of vertical work to stay behind without having to fool with flaps, seems like.
I think the only sticky point for the Tempest man will be remembering to use a little E fighting at the medium speed 300mph or so, where the Pony can get its flaps down and turn insanely fast, until the Ponys speed is bled off a little more to the point where the Tempest begins to win the angles contest.
Its close enough that pilot skill makes the difference, not a out-there proposition like P-51 vrs. Zero in a turnfight. But I think the Pony pilot has to 1. Enter the fight at decently high speed and have 2. A Tempest pilot who disregards his own airplanes superior horsepower for muscling up into vertical maneuvers. Equally skilled pilots, the Tempest should win.
Pony can win, but I think it would be more accurate if the Mustang pwned the Tempest almost as bad as it does the FW190 in an angles fight...might just be my jingoism talking though. :D
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Hey I'll tell you a secret but ya gotta promise me you'll keep it on the down low.... ssshhhhhhh.... If you don't, SAPP will hunt me down, tar and feather me.
If you really want to fly the pony well.....
Learn to fly and fight in the P-38. That's it!
(said like in the commercials for a new drug) Do not take this medicine if you have an aversion to being lit on fire, exploding, vaporized, jumped on and horded by everyone cause killing 38s are fun and landing with no wings, tails (cause 38s loves their two tails) and gears.
I happen to like my skin melting and trying to land with one wing. But the best part is when you get a kill in a 38.. Its so sweet.
:lol