The Real Reason the P-51 is so Popular

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

People, aces high doesnt come close to how the war was operated where these planes were used.
Fly the 51D at 18k or higher, and tell me its not one of the best birds in this game.

The p51D was made changed and upgraded to fly ever higher, ever further, ever faster.
Turning is a moot point at such alt.problem is Nothing in aces high's MA happens like they did in the war.
LA7's and such are so ubber because every moron and his mother flys at 10k max.

Its like, putting a nascar indycar funnycar and a dragster all on the same track, then woundering why some people like the nascar or vice versa the best. But like we all know, that is NOT the way the real world used these cars in sports.uuuh simply put, throw any idea of this being WWII right out the window, we have planes bombs rockets and machine guns/cannon, thats about it when it comes to aces high and wwII history or use's.

*Throws two cents*

[Masherbrum]

People, aces high doesnt come close to how the war was operated where these planes were used.
Fly the 51D at 18k or higher, and tell me its not one of the best birds in this game.

The p51D was made changed and upgraded to fly ever higher, ever further, ever faster.
Turning is a moot point at such alt.problem is Nothing in aces high's MA happens like they did in the war.
LA7's and such are so ubber because every moron and his mother flys at 10k max.

Its like, putting a nascar indycar funnycar and a dragster all on the same track, then woundering why some people like the nascar or vice versa the best. But like we all know, that is NOT the way the real world used these cars in sports.uuuh simply put, throw any idea of this being WWII right out the window, we have planes bombs rockets and machine guns/cannon, thats about it when it comes to aces high and wwII history or use's.

*Throws two cents*

18k?   Outside of Bomber Escort or Cap Busting (which is still rare), I'll NEVER be seen that high in a Pony.   38 is better IMO.   

[Guppy35]

People, aces high doesnt come close to how the war was operated where these planes were used.
Fly the 51D at 18k or higher, and tell me its not one of the best birds in this game.

The p51D was made changed and upgraded to fly ever higher, ever further, ever faster.
Turning is a moot point at such alt.problem is Nothing in aces high's MA happens like they did in the war.
LA7's and such are so ubber because every moron and his mother flys at 10k max.

Its like, putting a nascar indycar funnycar and a dragster all on the same track, then woundering why some people like the nascar or vice versa the best. But like we all know, that is NOT the way the real world used these cars in sports.uuuh simply put, throw any idea of this being WWII right out the window, we have planes bombs rockets and machine guns/cannon, thats about it when it comes to aces high and wwII history or use's.

*Throws two cents*

Throw's back the two cents

Keep in mind where and how the tac air war was fought in Europe.  Those guys were fighting below 10K.  Just talking to that 38 driver last week who flew ground attack with the 474th.  They usually were at 8K looking for ground targets.

Certainly the bomber escort missions were flown 20K plus, but it was 'in and air and on the ground' for Allied Fighter pilots from mid 44 on.  Combat was flown from the deck on up.

AH is just a game, but if you were to compare it to any part of WW2 it would be the Tac air war of 44-45.

[evenhaim]

No doubt evenhaim, but take that pilot is a killer in the AHII P-51, put him in a Jug or FW190, he's just as big a killer. Put him in a Corsair, a 109, a Spit, and heaven help you if you cross him.

Exactly, actaully figting in a pony is a challange but one that makes you all the more aware of your mistakes.

[BnZ]

Evenhaim:

My point is though, the Pony in the ETO wasn't an "eh...it's okay, a jug that can fly farther" airplane. It was regarded as second only to the Spit and P-38 as an Allied dogfighter in that theatre.

Remember, the British said the Mustang turned better than their Typhoon and Tempest, airplanes that clearly whip both P-51s in turning in AHII (Check DokGonzo's fighter comparison if you don't believe me.). You might dismiss the low opinion they test pilots gave the turning circle of 109 as propaganda or ignorance of how to push the turn and use the slats in that airplane. Certainly it doesn't make sense that they put the 109 and 190 in the same bucket, given the former's lighter wingloading and the German's own comparisions. But I find it unlikely that the British didn't know how to fly their own airplanes to the limit, or wanted to propagandize against the Hawker Tempest in favor of the North American Mustang.

A P-51 that turned slightly better than a Tempest would be in a close chase with an La7 in turn radius...and of course carry far more sentimental value. It might quite possibly have to be perked, the D model at least. And that would probably be bad for business, possibly a reason that the P-51 is as it is currently.

[Hajo]

Yeager stated when asked what the difference between the Spitfire and the P51 was.

The P51 does for 7 hours what a spitfire did for 45 minutes.

P51 s turn well.  Listened to a talk given by "Bud" Anderson about his engagement with a 109 also recounted in his book "To Fly and Fight".

The P51 did very well wherever it was asked to perform.

Also...I agree with Robt. Johnson.  Yes the P51 did very well....because the P47 Pilots killed the most experienced LW Pilots before it saw action!

[Hats]

when i first signed up with my two free weeks the first plane selected was the 51. i have a suspicion that everyone automatically starts out in a 51.

am i wrong? this is something i havent done any research on but am curious all the same.

[BnZ]

P51 s turn well.  Listened to a talk given by "Bud" Anderson about his engagement with a 109 also recounted in his book "To Fly and Fight".

Yeah, I've read that. I'd advise against going into extended Luftberrys in the AHII P-51. At any speed below 400 or any altitude below orbit. Even vs. the K-4.

[evenhaim]

I started in the mustang as well, and at one point was quite proficient in it, the p51 does everything it must in small commodities, never do anything for an extended period in the pony, its acceleration is flat out awful to say the least, and below 200 it becomes quite sluggish.

[Guppy35]

Yep those 51s never came down

[evenhaim]

Yep those 51s never came down
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Obviously only to vulch.

 

[Pannono]

Ki 84 will own a pony any day 

[moot]

Guppy do you have anything on the 38s and (47s or 51s) that raided a field and straffed a bunch of Ta152s?
Neuhausen, 16th of Jan. '45, starting around noon.

[ShrkBite]

Now i fly the 51 once and a while. But if they had put just one cannon on that thing, i would be flying it nonstop

[Bronk]

Yep those 51s never came down
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*stirs pot*

Wheres Krusty  with the paint description of tree hight when you need him.