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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Arlo on April 18, 2008, 08:22:05 PM
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F4U late Pac setups are few and far between. Invariably the spawn homes for the F4U are limited to a particular CV group. In this case, each CV is a unique spawn home for a unique plane. Honestly, I prefer the F4U-1a or F4U-1 to any other F4U (even the mighty C-Hog that spawns off of one of the tasks forces currently).
Now ... I know training in the MA pretty much requires suicide beaching of task forces for invasion purposes or head to head fleet slug-fests but this week's AvA setup isn't awarding glory for the rapid invasion and capture of Okinawa. It's just a setting. I'm not going to completely discourage capture or invasion. For some players that's the only way they can get their groove on. That's fine. BUT ... could you limit the number of fleets YOU sink to at least just one an hour or so? I'm a flexible sort. If the 1a is unspawnable I'll take the dash 1. If that's not available I'll take a dog model. If you force me into a C-Hog, yeah, I can enjoy it to a dgree but the guy I trashed from my uber-perch not-so-much and that kinda puts a damper on things (even for me - bad aftertaste and all ... like waking up with the ugly girl you picked up at the bar).
I can't or won't blame the Axis for sinking everything within ten miles of their shoreline (even further if they can scout it out and get `er done). There's more fear of letting practically any F4U up (especially on a map/setup that'll have more F4U fans than IJN ones) than there is getting smacked by fleet ack in the attempt. But, come on. Give a fellow Allied player that's also a Corsair fan a break. This week there's no capture goals for a war to win. If you want this Corsair freak in the air looking for enemy planes, you'll hafta not be part of the hindrance when it comes to me having that ride. My second choice of fun here would be to switch and defend the outnumbered (when they are) in one of their sweet later war rides (which I'll do from time to time this week, anyhoo). PLEASE .. don't make that my only option, though.
Thanks for your patience and maturity reading this. :salute :D
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Please, Arlo . . . asking for rules or some form of decorum from your fellow players? What could you possibly be thinking.
And rather out of character for you as well, I might add.
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Rules? Did you think you saw some demands for rules? Heh. And where did you imagine I'm against decorum? Don't invent issues to have with me or reinvent my character to fit your need for them. Anyways .... another polite request:
I can understand the Avengers decision to switch. As a unit they enjoy the capture aspect of the game and .... well ... quite frankly the map didn't start with a whole lot of Allied territory to grab. So, like I said, I understand and support their decision. But, would an Allied squad of equal size (if there is one - if not how about more than one equating) please consider going Axis (if it can be stomached)? The AvA participants from my squadron wouldn't offset as large a transisition as the Avengers move did (my cawd - I saw the squad list on their request for Allied forum access and heard the five remaining Axis players curse in Germanese from here). And, quite frankly, there's not a lot of selfish requests on my part but a Corsair to fly, an enemy to meet in the sky and a clear conscience would be the exception this time.
xOcet! <salute> brave Samauri pilot defending against the blue horde!
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I'm not inventing anything, nor did I ever use the word "demand." I am also unsure why you believe I have any "issues" with you or anyone else . . . so please, refrain from inventing any yourself.
I am simply pointing out that people will do whatever they want, regardless of anyone's polite request. To expect otherwise is rather naive, don't you think?
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F4U late Pac setups are few and far between. Invariably the spawn homes for the F4U are limited to a particular CV group. In this case, each CV is a unique spawn home for a unique plane. Honestly, I prefer the F4U-1a or F4U-1 to any other F4U (even the mighty C-Hog that spawns off of one of the tasks forces currently).
Now ... I know training in the MA pretty much requires suicide beaching of task forces for invasion purposes or head to head fleet slug-fests but this week's AvA setup isn't awarding glory for the rapid invasion and capture of Okinawa. It's just a setting. I'm not going to completely discourage capture or invasion. For some players that's the only way they can get their groove on. That's fine. BUT ... could you limit the number of fleets YOU sink to at least just one an hour or so? I'm a flexible sort. If the 1a is unspawnable I'll take the dash 1. If that's not available I'll take a dog model. If you force me into a C-Hog, yeah, I can enjoy it to a dgree but the guy I trashed from my uber-perch not-so-much and that kinda puts a damper on things (even for me - bad aftertaste and all ... like waking up with the ugly girl you picked up at the bar).
I can't or won't blame the Axis for sinking everything within ten miles of their shoreline (even further if they can scout it out and get `er done). There's more fear of letting practically any F4U up (especially on a map/setup that'll have more F4U fans than IJN ones) than there is getting smacked by fleet ack in the attempt. But, come on. Give a fellow Allied player that's also a Corsair fan a break. This week there's no capture goals for a war to win. If you want this Corsair freak in the air looking for enemy planes, you'll hafta not be part of the hindrance when it comes to me having that ride. My second choice of fun here would be to switch and defend the outnumbered (when they are) in one of their sweet later war rides (which I'll do from time to time this week, anyhoo). PLEASE .. don't make that my only option, though.
Thanks for your patience and maturity reading this. :salute :D
now i am on a ission to sink all the Allied CV's :D
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I'm not inventing anything, nor did I ever use the word "demand." *(There is no difference in "asking for rules" and "making demands of fellow players" - I did neither, I made a polite request and we'll see where that leads. - Arlo) I am also unsure why you believe I have any "issues" with you or anyone else . . . so please, refrain from inventing any yourself.
I am simply pointing out that people will do whatever they want, regardless of anyone's polite request. To expect otherwise is rather naive, don't you think?
Easy, Francis. I can't predict the outcome and I didn't place demands or even suggest rules. That was your invention, not mine. If you don't have an issue with me then don't pretend to. :) :salute
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* "Please, Arlo . . . asking for rules or some form of decorum from your fellow players? What could you possibly be thinking.
And rather out of character for you as well, I might add." - an "innocent" observation from another player after my request ;)
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now i am on a ission to sink all the Allied CV's :D
I never expected otherwise. ;)
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Asking for anything at all certainly seems contrary to this . . .
Player .... mind thy own ethical standard. Feel free to set the example for it but c'mon ... if it's something that's not an issue for the game designer/owner ..... don't run me over with your bandwagon or try to shove the "bird of unethicalness" argument up my nose. I will not stand by the petition (once again). I will not enforce my or anyone else's personal standards (or lack of them, for that matter) on another player. If I was active staff again, I wouldn't enforce anything outside of AHII TOS.
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Hmm, Didn’t I read a posting of requests by Jeager that got pummeled in a similar manor.
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Asking for anything at all certainly seems contrary to this . . .
Is it? Interesting conclusion. :)
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Hmm, Didn’t I read a posting of requests by Jeager that got pummeled in a similar manor.
What I posted was a polite request to not play so silly with the limited spawnpoints for Allied CV planes and to consider taking advantage of the reduced swap times most everyone seemed to be in favor of less than 24 hrs ago. It was worth a shot. I took it. You witnessed it and volunteered to be a commentator. :)
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I just don't want to see you set yourself up for frustration, Arlo. Asking for something you know will not be delivered is surely setting yourself up for a fall, isn't it?
You can't dictate chivalry. It's in the player or it's not. And every player perceives it differently. Sometimes even differently just from who does what to whom. Sometimes just from a moment of frustration outweighing their earlier passionate forum declaration. I'm not pissing on Jaeger ... I'm bringing up the obvious. Glad Jaeger made the suggestion, just because it revealed the need to go over how a player's frustration with other players and how they play the game may be best addressed by not setting ourselves up for frustration as much rather than dictating to others how to make our own lives less frustrating.
I guess it is all about expectations. If you don't expect anyone will pay attention to your request to leave the CVs alone, then you can't be frustrated when they ruin your fun.
But if you don't expect it, why request it? Hmm . . .
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In all seriousness, I wouldn't call it hypocrisy . . . ironic, perhaps, but not quite hypocritical. It was just a little too precious to pass up. :D
Now ... when it comes to others demanding "fair play" or "chivalrous behavior" of others ... to the point of recommending everyone in the sandbox agree to playing or not playing the game in a manner that really has nothing to do with TOS violations and everything to do with their personal frustration ... I speak up on the boards and suggest what I feel is a more practical, even more adult approach. I'd much rather them suggest less whining and more playing and getting past all that.
Don't worry, I'll leave your little sandbox alone. ;)
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I just don't want to see you set yourself up for frustration, Arlo. Asking for something you know will not be delivered is surely setting yourself up for a fall, isn't it?I guess it is all about expectations. If you don't expect anyone will pay attention to your request to leave the CVs alone, then you can't be frustrated when they ruin your fun.
But if you don't expect it, why request it? Hmm . . .
I did all I planned to do. I made a reasonable request in a mature manner then let it go (or as "go" as responding to your take on things the last few posts involves). And I'm not even moved to continue that. :)
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So much for a polite request. :huh
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I love irony. A subtle, silent thing that can accomplish what hundreds of words cannot.
:salute Irony!
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I love irony. A subtle, silent thing that can accomplish what hundreds of words cannot.
:salute Irony!
As is the irony of incorrectly surmising irony. But I'm sure it was wanted badly. ;) :salute
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As is the irony of incorrectly surmising irony. But I'm sure it was wanted badly. ;) :salute
You keep believing that, Arlo. :aok
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Youse guys really know what your talking about...?
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Hey Arlo, its my $15, ill do what i want--- isnt that what you told me??? not so much fun when everyone blows you out of the water is it?? i personally have no problem agreeing to your terms. its just a shame you dump on me for making a polite request. good luck with it bud, i hope everyone agrees to your terms.
best regards,
Jaeger
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Hey Arlo, its my $15, ill do what i want--- isnt that what you told me??? not so much fun when everyone blows you out of the water is it??
Not once, Francis. :)
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I didn't see anything wrong with the request. It's actually asking people to use common sense in CV command that you don't see in the MA.
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I didn't see anything wrong with the request. It's actually asking people to use common sense in CV command that you don't see in the MA.
I agree, nothing wrong at all in asking the community to participate in better gameplay.
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It's just all in how you do it. ;)
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now you know how all the other people felt when they asked for a change in gameplay behavior of others. just saying...
:rofl
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IF i were to be flying Allied, I would understand the frustration here. But I dont. What I do know is that Every Okinawa map ive played in as IJN/A Ive had to put up with CV groups sitting right off shore within spitting distance of fields. As soon as you up your getting shot at by Flak and no matter where you are on the island your getting puffy acked. That really gets annoying after awhile. I mean i dig popcorn but gawd... :uhoh
So if the idea of letting a CV group sail undetered right off the coast in plain sight of SB is rather daft. Here's an idea, how about staging the CV a bit further out to sea so you can A: ge ta little Alt before going feet dry or B: give the IJN/A a break from the massive amounts of popcorn. :aok
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Turn puffy ack off and/or enable F4U and FM2 at land bases. Agreed, puffy ack is extremely annoying and does not serve any purpose for the current setup. Disable land based puffy also.
I've flown both sides ...
Flying for axis: puffy ack annoying
Flying for allies: not having low alt turn fighters at land bases annoying
The future war system could have the basing issue also. Staff, have you considered allowing the CO to transfer squadrons to different fields during a war. For example, if fighters are put too close to the enemy and they constantly have the hangers down, then can the CO transfer that squadron to a different base or are all of the individual players hosed as they won't be able to fly certain planes. I know they can't do it on demand, but they can send email to staff and the staff can move the squadron the next day.
Venom
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IF i were to be flying Allied, I would understand the frustration here. But I dont. What I do know is that Every Okinawa map ive played in as IJN/A Ive had to put up with CV groups sitting right off shore within spitting distance of fields. As soon as you up your getting shot at by Flak and no matter where you are on the island your getting puffy acked. That really gets annoying after awhile. I mean i dig popcorn but gawd... :uhoh
So if the idea of letting a CV group sail undetered right off the coast in plain sight of SB is rather daft. Here's an idea, how about staging the CV a bit further out to sea so you can A: ge ta little Alt before going feet dry or B: give the IJN/A a break from the massive amounts of popcorn. :aok
Especially since, now, theres been allied players manning the 5 inch guns. THAT is bad.
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sorry Motherland but thats funny.
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sorry Motherland but thats funny.
How so? Being about to get a gun solution on an FM2 and then bursting into flames is not fun. Nor is almost getting a gun solution on a Ki84 and then having it explode before you pull the trigger.
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That someone would 1. be that frustrated to get in the 5in or 2. just getting in it at all with that low of numbers.
I fly from CV most the time in the MA so maybe exploding targets is something I'm use to.
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now you know how all the other people felt when they asked for a change in gameplay behavior of others. just saying...
:rofl
Well that's one way to rationalize whining rules into play/practice and suggesting banishment/ostrasizing as the method of enforcement. None of which had anything to do with me telling players on my own side they were playing stupid and suggesting they consider doing otherwise ... in a rather reasonable way. Reasonable being a key word. ;)
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IF i were to be flying Allied, I would understand the frustration here. But I dont. What I do know is that Every Okinawa map ive played in as IJN/A Ive had to put up with CV groups sitting right off shore within spitting distance of fields. As soon as you up your getting shot at by Flak and no matter where you are on the island your getting puffy acked. That really gets annoying after awhile. I mean i dig popcorn but gawd... :uhoh
So if the idea of letting a CV group sail undetered right off the coast in plain sight of SB is rather daft. Here's an idea, how about staging the CV a bit further out to sea so you can A: ge ta little Alt before going feet dry or B: give the IJN/A a break from the massive amounts of popcorn. :aok
What I'm seeing is you apparently understand where I came from and it didn't require the Allied version of the frustration to do so. :)
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Arlo,
Although I had some difficulty, the cruisers and destroyers can be sunk. However, they respawn brand new next to their smoldering CV's in such a short period of time that it's not even worth the effort of attacking them.
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That's a setting I didn't change. That's a setting that was different during my first post. That's a setting that might have prevented it ... initially. But it's not a setting that prevents players from acting foolishly. It just keeps foolish action from causing mass sinkings of the fleets in a short period of time. I would prefer smarter play to modifying the settings because the players can't learn. But when one doesn't happen, the other is bound to. And I still don't blame the Axis. War is indeed on the horizon. A different one.
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I concur; putting a CV fleet or two, as I saw today, that close to airfields and shore batteries is not very smart.
:salute
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I love this thread. Never has so much been said by someone so oblivious...
Carry on :salute
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Well that's one way to rationalize whining rules into play/practice and suggesting banishment/ostrasizing as the method of enforcement. None of which had anything to do with me telling players on my own side they were playing stupid and suggesting they consider doing otherwise ... in a rather reasonable way. Reasonable being a key word. ;)
And jaeger or whoever was politely requesting for a change in gameplay, you made it sound like the end of the world. pot, meet kettle.
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I suppose if by politely you meant obnoxiously spammed and by request you meant demanding rules enforced on the community at ban-point that could explain your confused stance. Yeah, looking at it that way how can one tell these two events apart? *ShruG* I got no problem with you offering your "sage" opinion in such a way, repeatedly in public, to "make a point." :)
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(http://mmii.info/icons/Webscar/other_beatingA_DeadHorse.gif)
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They simply suggested penalties, it was an open issue for change, one you seem to be having no luck with.
calls 'em likes I sees 'em
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calls 'em likes I sees 'em
That's not in question. ;)
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lol shifty, nice
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;)
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Why is he hitting that sleeping horse in the nuts?
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in order to tenderise the tastiest part?
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Sleeping! I dare say that it's a dead horse......
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in order to tenderise the tastiest part?
Are you French? :D
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Sleeping! I dare say that it's a dead horse......
No no you see the little stars above his head. He is knocked out because the trauma to his testicles was to much to bear.
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No no you see the little stars above his head. He is knocked out because the trauma to his testicles was to much to bear.
Those are flys Larry. You know??? What you South Texans call shadows. :D
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We dont have flys down here. We do have flying things as big as cats.
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I heard you have KILLER BEES too! :O :O :O
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No no you see the little stars above his head. He is knocked out because the trauma to his testicles was to much to bear.
I thought those were fly's buzzing about the horses head?
BT
P.S. could you add the dead horse silly thingy to the list of icones and stuff please.
That would be kewl :rock
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I heard you have KILLER BEES too! :O :O :O
Are KILLER BEES Illegal Aliens of Terrest insurgents ? :confused:
BT