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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SkyRock on April 23, 2008, 06:21:08 PM
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knowlege.
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Incorporate selective Breeding :D
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permasquelch
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Survival
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I agree with Ratfink.
Although, my catechism's answer was 'to know, love and serve God."
I like the simplicity of SURVIVAL.
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screw
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knowlege.
Better Spelling and Composition?
In all seriousness I think the advancement of science and the ability to leave this planet for exploration beyond our solar system is key to our survival as a species.
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children
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Finding another planet to move to.
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I agree with Ratfink.
Although, my catechism's answer was 'to know, love and serve God."
I like the simplicity of SURVIVAL. - Gunthr
to clarify, I believe in God. Our urges are there to help us survive. Generally speaking...
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take down the Undertaker and win the WWE Championship Belt ?
or is he retired?
I don't have an opinion for a goal of humans,
only know death awaits us all.
resistance is futile.
you will be assimilated.
what was, is.
what is, will be.
what will be. is a completion of a universal cycle.
the sun will rise till it rises no more.
forever.
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yep, I'm full of it. :P
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Biologically? Reproduction.
Philosophically? Who knows. I would hope getting along, but I know some enjoy doing the opposite too much.
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To make sure our children are stronger and smarter then us. We are failing.
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1. Short-term survival trough building a global alliance and the defeat of despotic and theocratic governments and thinking.
2. Devote ourselves to the advancement of technology.
3. Long-term survival through the application of technology to sustain the genetic viability of the human species, and spread mankind to other worlds reducing the chance of an extinction event.
There ... easy! :)
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"I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different."
-Kurt Vonnegut
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Conquering the Galaxy
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Blowing each other up.
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In all seriousness I think the advancement of science and the ability to leave this planet for exploration beyond our solar system is key to our survival as a species.
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I agree here but with a bit of luck we won't litter the next as we have ours of now.
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knowlege.
Spelling.
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Spelling.
:rofl :cry :rofl
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knowlege.
Using the knowledge wisely.
IronDog
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two chicks at the same time, man.
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for mankind...not blowing ourselves up is good enough for me.
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1. Short-term survival trough building a global alliance and the defeat of despotic and theocratic governments and thinking.
2. Devote ourselves to the advancement of technology.
3. Long-term survival through the application of technology to sustain the genetic viability of the human species, and spread mankind to other worlds reducing the chance of an extinction event.
There ... easy! :)
Nice! Two thumbs up! :aok
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Spelling.
Was in a real hurry when this topic came to me, sorry for spelling. :aok As a matter of fact, have been through some hellacious keyboard changes lately, and have decided to stay with this Dell, quiet key. :aok
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Well God's original plan was easy.For us and our wives to be naked running around in a garden..really,look it up,it is there..And while we were at it,to have a reationship with him.
Kevin :salute
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Suffer.
Then die.
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Suffer.
Then die.
You really did forget about, Feel guilty for eternity!
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Eruzione, 1980.
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The death of Socialism will be the hardest task the Human Race will ever have to commit to.
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I don't have an opinion for a goal of humans,
only know death awaits us all.
resistance is futile.
you will be assimilated.
what was, is.
what is, will be.
what will be. is a completion of a universal cycle.
the sun will rise till it rises no more.
forever.
And 200 million years from now an astronomer on a planet thousands of light years from here will be searching the night sky looking for habital planets, rocky worlds. He will detect a slight wobble in the infared spectrum and xrays emitted from a distant neutron star and will declare he has found a new planet outside their solar system but its a dead, cold world, a lifeless rock...
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Perk Points.
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The "hand of god" goal, Argentina vs. England 1986 world cup.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f7/Hand_of_God_goal.jpg)
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Hehe.
Well, my cents on this anyway....
Nowadays it's all about energy.
And far ahead it's about survival. Our Terra firma will not stay static as far as we know, it will go through cycles of warm and cold, and such, but as far as theory goes, our sun will eventually burn out. And before it does, it will have us for roast....
So, the important answer is...survival?
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Purpose.
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I would think that for you athiests.... the biggest goal would be to prolong your lives and be as healthy as you could while getting as much pleasure as possible.
If this is all there is... fear of death would be the overriding factor. perhaps a legacy at some point when you realize science won't let you live forever. in any case.. fear is the common denominator.
lazs
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I would think that for you athiests.... the biggest goal would be to prolong your lives and be as healthy as you could while getting as much pleasure as possible.
If this is all there is... fear of death would be the overriding factor. perhaps a legacy at some point when you realize science won't let you live forever. in any case.. fear is the common denominator.
lazs
The question is, "what do you think is the most important goal for mankind"?
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Purpose.
ditto.
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No Lazs.. Fear is the common denominator so long as it trumps purpose and duty in people's minds.
A while back there was a thread about a girl who sacrificed herself to save her younger sister, while in the control of a kidnapper/hostage taker. A lot of people said she was examplary in her courage. All I saw, on the other hand, was duty and integrity.
It's not courage or some last minute faith that would, if I was atheist rather than agnostic, make me jump out of my foxhole and charge into danger, it's duty. Remove all fear and all you have left isn't courage, because courage is only there to counter fear. If all you have is incorruptible duty, purpose is what guides you.
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ok..for athiests.. the most important goal for "mankind" would be to prolong human life for as long as possible.
lazs
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moot.. I would say that what made her do it was something that science can't measure. I would say it was love.
lazs
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That's not why I'd have done it.. I don't do things because I love, I do things because each choice is "right". Emotions are a sure way to corrupt reason. Who knows why she did it, though.
And, however long 'atheists' prolong life as we know it.. It's still infinitely small compared to infinity next to god in the afterlife.
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I think it's to exist without harming the enviroment.
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If you have to think about it then it will be too late. If you live long enough you will regret the (hopefully) few times in your life where you let reason get in the way of action. 99% of the time tho.. reason is the way to go... 99% of the time you have lots of time to figure it out the best you can.
An example.. going to the aid of someone who is being beaten by 3 guys.. vs... jumping into a "do something" about the theory of man made global warming and if it even exists or even if there is anything worthwhile to be done.
lazs
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Lazs, it's the path of reason that guides you to best satisfy your love for fellow men. If the guy is drowning and you (for whatever reason) would sink while trying to rescue him, or die and thus feed two rather than one soul to the sharks, and have nothing to show for your efforts (save a few seconds of hope to the drowning guy), you haven't done something that stands up to reason :)
Just as it doesn't stand up to reason to feed an addicts habits.. Nor try and meet him "halfway". You get him out of the addiction.
I think if reason supplants emotion, there's never more, and probably less than, 1% of hesitation where reason gets in the way of action. Reason is sovereign, not emotion.. I'm all ears to being proven wrong, but so far, I haven't seen any reason to think otherwise.
If all you have in your head is your goal, then the time of hesitation is very very small. 1% at the very most. If you have things figured out well enough, you don't have to crunch any numbers. Reaction's instantaneous except in situations where you have to reassess a lot of things. It's like turning one cog at one end of a chain of cogwheel machinery: turn the first, and everything else turns, including the other extremity of the chain, where the "solution" cogwheel says what to do. Not the clearest analogy, but that's how it works in my mind.
I don't think it really would be longer than an emotive response.
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moot.. you don't know if you would sink or feed the sharks. you can go to the computer and figure the odds.. you can come here and ask people what to do but...
reason will have killed him and you will go through life regretting.
certainly there are clear cut examples but most are not.. you have to ask what your god or.. what your humanity if you prefer.. would want you to do.. what you can live with.
My girlfriends daughter in laws cousins (yes confusing I know) had a fire 2 days ago in their home.. the mother lost the 2 year old trying to get out and was dazed.. the uncle.. rushed in to save the baby.. the roof caved in and he and the baby were killed.. burned or crushed to death. It happened in Arbuckle Ca. couple days ago.
I would like to think that I would have went in to save the baby. I would like to face my maker having died trying than to try to explain why I didn't.
lazs
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ok..for athiests.. the most important goal for "mankind" would be to prolong human life for as long as possible.
lazs
What, in your opinion, is the most important goal for mankind?
I'm not sure why you keep speaking for the atheists, when you claim you're not one.
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I have to disagree and agree with Lazs at the same time.
I don't agree that "the goal" for an atheist (or an agnostic which is more accurate in my case) is to prolong physical life. I prefer to think there is some kind of afterlife in the loving memories of the living. And this is where I agree with you Lazs: going into the furnace wasn't the reasonable thing to do, however the uncle paid the ultimate price trying to save a kid and deserves an infinite amount of respect for it.
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Drinkin BEER :rock
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Lazs, I don't want to split hairs, but deciding whether or not to go in wouldn't have taken me more than a few seconds. Either I'd have gone in right away, or I'd have stayed out.. It's really hard to say without being there in person.
Either way, there's no reason to regret doing what seemed best at the time. Hindsight is 20/20 everytime :)
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scarlett
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We can't succeed at achieving any of these noble goals (definitely including Scarlett) without the freedom to do so.
So our most important goal MUST be to preserve every freedom for ourselves. I haven't seen a better framework of freedom than that set forth by the Bill of Rights in the US constitution, so concretely reestablishing those freedoms and encouraging other nations to adopt them should be mankind's greatest goal. Through this, all others goals can be achieved (and there is clear evidence that this is true).
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scarlett
yowzer! :aok
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To teach our children how to teach themselves. Then they will be able to gather information on their own, and form independent, and educated opinions on any subject.
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Our purpose is no different than any other living thing on Earth:
Continue the species
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Purpose.
Ditto
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My answer was sort of a play on Skyrock's. Purpose is guided by reason. Reason is fed by knowledge.
I do think, though, that purpose is an important step, because without being true to it, you've got people stagnating or aimlessly following tangents.
I also implied by it that there's no specific goal for mankind, because each one of us has a different goal. What will get all of us our goal is the means to reach it, and that is knowledge.
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What, in your opinion, is the most important goal for mankind?
#1 To put hips back on women.
#2 To get their heads out.
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Okay, serious answer from me:
The pursue of technology gained primarily from space exploration.
Sure, Steve Miller can cry about feeding all the children while NASA flies like an eagle, but the reality is, this technology helps the world. From satellites mapping out where the best place to plant crops, to detecting weather, etc. etc., space technology helps mankind.
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Impregnate as many women as possible. :rock
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Okay, serious answer from me:
The pursue of technology gained primarily from space exploration.
Sure, Steve Miller can cry about feeding all the children while NASA flies like an eagle, but the reality is, this technology helps the world. From satellites mapping out where the best place to plant crops, to detecting weather, etc. etc., space technology helps mankind.
Not to mention gains that'll be off the scale once we can harvest resources beyond Earth.
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Our purpose is no different than any other living thing on Earth:
Continue the species
:aok
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Okay, serious answer from me:
The pursue of technology gained primarily from space exploration.
Sure, Steve Miller can cry about feeding all the children while NASA flies like an eagle, but the reality is, this technology helps the world. From satellites mapping out where the best place to plant crops, to detecting weather, etc. etc., space technology helps mankind.
:aok Awesome!
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to stop evolving our tech and finance, change back to evolving the body and mind and generaly try to catch back up to the whales and dolphins who are running off with the darwin cup.
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Promote World peace and the elimination of famine, pain and suffering.
Imagine.
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to stop evolving our tech and finance, change back to evolving the body and mind and generaly try to catch back up to the whales and dolphins who are running off with the darwin cup.
I like this! :aok
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Promote World peace and the elimination of famine, pain and suffering.
Imagine...........
all the people, living life in peace........ dork!
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42
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125
Just so I can be mean and cranky.
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Freedom from religion.
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Freedom from more Nilsen pics. :O
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125
Just so I can be mean and cranky.
Ever heard of Douglas Adams?
42 is not just some trivial number ;)
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moot.. where does your ability to make split second decisions come from? not making fun of your answer but.. reason and doing the right thing would conflict since no reasoned decision could be made in a split second... anything longer than a split second would end in no action causing regret forever. It is easy to say that you could live with it but...
skyrock.. I never said that I knew what athiests think.. If they were honest tho.. they would wish for eternal life here on earth as a goal. But.. I will answer your question.. the purpose is to be fruitful and multiply.. all else is simply offshoots of that.. That is really the purpose of science even.
deselys.. athiest and agnostic are worlds apart. Not even close. Athiest is a religion and an agenda while agnostic is a seeking of truth. Is not a belief that we live on in the others a supernatural thing?
lazs
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I just do what seems right. If the situation requires a split second decision and I have time to instinctively see one alternative that's good or better than the rest, it'll be my choice proportionaly as quick as it's better than everything else.. If the situation is too quick, I'll probably freeze just a bit too long like every other normal person.
I admit my answer if funny, but it's a funny question too. We don't get any details that could change the answer from flat out yes to flat out no, fight or flight :)
That sort of situation is something that's important enough that at some point you can't help but realize you have to think about it today, so that you can be better prepared if it ever happened. There's lots of ways to get ready (obviously it's always just a plan, and 'no plan survives the first moments of the actual event'), I guess you could call it conditioning yourself. There's a passive side to it, like learning to read someone's footwork and body language in a fight, to help you recognize their intentions... And there's an active side to it, like sharpening your reflexes, being in good shape, etc. That's just an analogy.
I think situations of danger are no different from any other situation. What you do is what you're going to live with. Being lucid and doing your best whatever the outcome might be, or however bad things might seem, is what matters. Regret is useless. What matters is the present.
I could go on but that's it basicaly.
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to stop evolving our tech and finance, change back to evolving the body and mind and generaly try to catch back up to the whales and dolphins who are running off with the darwin cup.
What a foolish thing to say.
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moot.. good answer. I agree but... reaction is also moral training and belief.
You react instantly if your beliefs are strong. I am sure you get what I am saying. The situation is always different and yes..we do "freeze".. it is normal. But.. we also can develop a mental muscle memory that makes us react to what we think is the moral and.. only option. If we betray that.. we will feel guilt for the rest of our lives.. all else being equal.. it has to be "all else being equal" since.. as you point out.. every situation is different.
Just as some will see a fight happening before others and react.. others will react on moral grounds while others are trying to figure out what is happening and what it the best course of action... I am just saying that a good moral base will serve as well as street smarts serve in other situations.
but.. to the subject... "be fruitful and multiply" covers everything.
lazs
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What a foolish thing to say.
when in Rome.....
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Survival
Ditto