Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Lumpy on April 26, 2008, 02:24:49 AM
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The only German level bomber we have in the game so far is the Ju 88A-4 … a Battle of Britain veteran. Adding the He 111 or Do 17 would help with early war scenarios and such, but would be even less useful than the Ju 88 in the arenas. I therefore advocate the addition of 3 mid-late war German bombers:
Do 217M-1
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“In almost every way, the Do 217 was a success. It could carry a much heavier bombload than either the Heinkel He 111 or the Junkers Ju 88. It was also very fast, surpassing both aircraft in maximum speed. It was Germany's largest bomber for nearly two years until the Heinkel He 177 was finally safe enough to use. Do 217's sank the Italian battleship Roma with Fritz X missiles as she steamed to the Allies after Italy's capitulation. Do 217's were phased out of combat use in mid 1944.”
Max speed: 348 mph at 18,700 feet.
Armament: One fixed MG 151 20 mm cannon in nose, one 13 mm MG 131 in dorsal turret, one MG 131 manually aimed at lower rear, three 7.92 mm MG 81 manually aimed in nose and beam windows.
Bomb load: Up to 8,818 lb. + fancy special weapons like glide bombs and missiles.
Probably the best medium bomber of the war that served in significant numbers.
He 177A-5 Greif
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Only German heavy bomber to be produced in significant numbers. The A-5 version was the last and most capable version to see service in WWII.
Max speed: 351 mph at 21,000 feet.
Armament: 2 x 20 mm MG 151 cannon, 3 x MG 131 machine gun, 3 x MG 81 machine gun.
Bomb load: 13,227 lb internal. Typical bomb configurations: 48 x 154 lb, 10 x 1,102 lb, 6 x 2,204 lb, 2 x 5,511 lb, 3 x Hs 293 remotely controlled missiles, 3 x Hs 294 remotely controlled glide bombs, 3 x PC 1400 glide bomb, 4 x torpedoes.
Perk bomber Ju 188S/Ju 388L
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A streamlined Ju 188 with defensive armaments reduced or removed (much like the bomber Mosquitoes which also should be added as perk bombers) fitted with highly rated Jumo 213E-1 engines. Only a few (less than 200) were produced before all bomber programmes were cancelled in 1944, but they did see combat.
Max speed: 426 mph at 37,730 feet.
Armament: In some versions: Two fixed forward firing MK 108 30 mm cannons, twin MG 131’s in tail barbette.
Bomb load: Up to 6,614 lb.
Any comments?
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Didn't the 188 also sport some diving flaps? Anyway, it's utterly cool ;)
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(http://a990.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/110/l_74a1ba7030be0cc93bfbb77545e73edd.jpg)
And AFTER we have the He-111, Ill get behind any of those, especially the Greif.
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Didn't the 188 also sport some diving flaps? Anyway, it's utterly cool ;)
The normal 188 might have had dive flaps, but not the S version I'm advocating. It was a high altitude speed demon with everything unnecessary stripped off. Kinda like those fast high-alt Mossies. :)
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If my memory serves me, the demand of diving gear delayed production.
BTW, what equipment did the incredible Johannes Halbig sport in the med?
(I hope I spelled right)
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I'd like to see the Ju188A added. It is slower then the Ju188S, but has a 20mm cannon in the top turret (full 360 degree coverage, unlike the Ki-67's), over 6,000lbs of bombs and still can make~340mph.
Serenity, you seem to have missed the subject line that you clicked on.
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Yes, I'd like to see the Ju 188A too, but it doesn't do anything that the Do 217 doesn't do better. The A reihe never did more than 325 mph at 20,500 feet though; only the D series naval reconnaissance bomber did anywhere near 350 mph, but it had bomb-aiming equipment and forward armament removed (to fit radar).
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Yes, I'd like to see the Ju 188A too, but it doesn't do anything that the Do 217 doesn't do better. The A reihe never did more than 325 mph at 20,500 feet though; only the D series naval reconnaissance bomber did anywhere near 350 mph, but it had bomb-aiming equipment and forward armament removed (to fit radar).
Reasons? variety, coolness, and the fact that it would've been easier to implement than a Dornier 217 (the cockpit and engine nacelles should be redone, but the rest of the fuselage is that of the standard Ju88 we already have)
But anyway I'm all for the S. Just can't see why perking it. Anyone going up to 30k to get the 400+ speed the plane had has way too much time to play Aces High ;). And of course I've wanted the Do217 in AH since beta times...one just can hope it will be added at some point :)
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The Ju 88A-4 we have now must also be remodelled though since it is AH1 standard. And the Ju 188 had a different tail, engine nacelles, cockpit section, and outer wings. Basically a whole remodelling. I'd love to see it added, but given the Do 217 I'd rather have a different plane altogether.
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If my memory serves me, the demand of diving gear delayed production.
BTW, what equipment did the incredible Johannes Halbig sport in the med?
(I hope I spelled right)
I'm not sure ... I think Hälbig flew He 177s late in the war. Not sure if I have the right Hälbig though.
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Dornier and he-111.
Have my votes for german bombers/scrap metal ;)
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Serenity, you seem to have missed the subject line that you clicked on.
No, I found it. But I think we should get the Heinkel before any of those. I would LOVE the have the Greif, but I would give my left nut for an He-111.
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u know what the jerry had paratroopers jump out of jerry bombers and we cant do that and y do the para look like pilots and are all the same :noid.........so y not have a jerry para and a brit para and another us para with thompsons and brens and mp40's.....im guessing the difference is well they all jump outa planes so they pretty much fly :angel:
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All for more German bombers.
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u know what the jerry had paratroopers jump out of jerry bombers and we cant do that and y do the para look like pilots and are all the same :noid.........so y not have a jerry para and a brit para and another us para with thompsons and brens and mp40's.....im guessing the difference is well they all jump outa planes so they pretty much fly :angel:
SQEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.
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No, I found it. But I think we should get the Heinkel before any of those. I would LOVE the have the Greif, but I would give my left nut for an He-111.
tsk tsk...you must be young....
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And AFTER we have the He-111, Ill get behind any of those, especially the Greif.
Serenity is right, I just ain't the Luftwaffe without the He-111. After that, I want every Late-War, bug-eyed, over-boosted, self-igniting bomber the Germans ever built. Especially the 177. :aok
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tsk tsk...you must be young....
What makes you say that?
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Because with promises like that you would be nutless in no time and you would realize your loss only later on when you are older.
I wouldn't give my nuts for anything.. not even to get ME410 or Brewster -and I already have two kids!! :D
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Would like the He-111 first, as its lack of presence here is some what of an oddity. Considering it is a staple bomber of most WWII flight sims. :aok
But then yes, 177. MMMmmm if one DB.605 gives me a pudgy then the sound of the two DB.610 would take me straight from a chubby to a full blown trouser tent. :rock
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Any or all of those would work for me.
Good list! <S>
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but would be even less useful than the Ju 88 in the arenas.
i know this isn't the reason for this thread, but i don't see the JU88's as usless....i've had decent sucess with them....and i'm sure others have too.........
the newer suggestions are cool though...i like the top speeds especially
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MY GOD he-177 looks mean!Now officially meanest looking ww2 bomber i have ever seen!
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i know this isn't the reason for this thread, but i don't see the JU88's as usless....i've had decent sucess with them....and i'm sure others have too.........
the newer suggestions are cool though...i like the top speeds especially
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Ju88 makes a correct cv bomber (dive or not hehe). It is also a fearsome tank hunter at times :) 4x500kg ftw
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Ju88 makes a correct cv bomber (dive or not hehe). It is also a fearsome tank hunter at times :) 4x500kg ftw
in the past i've used it to dive bomb gv's......but i mostly level bomb with them.......they're about the best climbing, not too shabby on speed, can force an attacker to overshoot with the dive brakes, and the speed stabalizes rather quickly for calibration.......drawbacks? not nearly enough guns onboard :O
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but I would give my left nut for an He-111.
I think you are pushing it a bit. :D
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squeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllll lllllllllllllll im for the jerry bombers hek ya :rock