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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Airhead on June 02, 2008, 11:42:57 AM
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...Because Hillary Clinton is going to steal this nomination in spite of Obama's overwhelming public endorsement. Remember, I said months ago Obama had no chance at winning the nomination because the Dems are every bit as much a political machine as the Repubs are, and political machines tell YOU who the candidate will be, not the other way around. Hillary is part of the machine and Obama isn't....simple as that.
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This wount end well.... :noid
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Obama is going to get the nomination. The democrats will start pouring their funds into the election.
Then, Karl Rove is going to jump out from a dark corner with a video of Michelle Obama, on the pulpit in Wright's church, railing about the evils of whitey. :noid
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...Because Hillary Clinton is going to steal this nomination in spite of Obama's overwhelming public endorsement. Remember, I said months ago Obama had no chance at winning the nomination because the Dems are every bit as much a political machine as the Repubs are, and political machines tell YOU who the candidate will be, not the other way around. Hillary is part of the machine and Obama isn't....simple as that.
This is news?
Besides, the Dems' are making such a big fuss inside their own party that the Reps might just steal the election right from underneath them.
Please do not think I am making a political statement. If I was going to do that, I would tell you that I would vote for the first person to legalize and TAX marijuana. :aok
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Actually, I think Hillary is the one leading in the popular vote. The latest polls show her doing better against McCain in the upcoming election than Obama. Given the revelations about Obama's "friends" and their less than savory character and politics, I doubt that he could gain a majority of his party's primary delegates if the nomination process was restarted at this point in time.
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And you wonder why it all started coming out in the open AFTER he had wrapped up the nomination by numbers. Just another case of who is the lesser of two evils and in my view anyone that is supported by the liberal Euro trashers like Obama is doesn't get my vote. I will vote but not for anyone that will win the election.
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Unfortunately the Dems don't have the gonads to nominate Hillary. She would make a great President.
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Unfortunately the Dems don't have the gonads to nominate Hillary. She would make a great President.
:lol
I've been saying all along that Obama is not electible.
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Enjoy the Real Clear Politics page that brings together multiple polls.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
Right now Billary beats McC by 2% and the Big Bama beats McC by .7% But we're still in the pre-game; we haven't even gotten to the kick-off yet.
BTW, the polls say Big Bama has the nomination by quite a ways.
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BTW, the polls say Big Bama has the nomination by quite a ways.
It'll be decided by the super deligates....And MT,I agree with you that any Dem would be better than a continued Bush agenda of 4 more years, which is what McCain offers- my objection will be to the way the nomination is decided - back room deals by the power elite. That's how the Republicans operate- I thought we were more responsive to the people in our party's wishes tho.
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C'mon, Air... you must be joking! You really think the Dems don't engage in just as many and just as lousy smoke-filled-room deals?
There's no difference between the Pubs or the Crats; they all want a job where they don't work, get to spend other people's money, get treated like a special class of royalty and get to pretend they're smarter than all the working stiffs.
There's a reason the Founder's tried to keep government small and limited in power.
We're just a bunch of stupid morons for letting the pols get over on us like they do.
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That's how the Republicans operate- I thought we were more responsive to the people in our party's wishes tho.
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C'mon, Air... you must be joking! You really think the Dems don't engage in just as many and just as lousy smoke-filled-room deals?
I thought Dems invented them.
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I'm surprized that the party who (which?) thinks it got rooked (no offense) by the Electoral College even though they won the popular vote is the party who has super delegates that can vote without regard to the popular vote.
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I'm surprized that the party who (which?) thinks it got rooked (no offense) by the Electoral College even though they won the popular vote is the party who has super delegates that can vote without regard to the popular vote.
If it were just a "vote" the Super Deligates had it wouldn't be so bad- but it's 60% of the vote, which makes the whole Democrats' primary process a sham.
It could be worse I guess- the Republican party's nominee for 2008 was decided in 2003.
Oh, Toad? I'm beginning to agree with you more and more...which scares me.
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Obama not a party machine guy! LOL. Could have fooled me, but then I live in his state and he's my Senator (shudder). Obama is as much a machine guy as the rest, or he wouldn't have gotten this far. Dennis Kucinich was the only dem outsider int he race and he is long gone.
Obama is every bit the machine politician. He came up through the Cook County/Illinois democratic machine. He voted party line at the state level (when it wasn't too risky and he voted present instead); he endorsed machine candidates for NO CHANGE where change was/is needed with Daley and Todd Stroger; Obama is endorsed by Teddy K -- how much more machine can you get than that. And just look at all the soft money coming into his campaign from the financial houses to get the next market scam -- carbon trading -- up and running. My pick, carbon trading is the next wealth generator after the energy bubble drops to the big money guys.
What has happened though is you get a bunch of the ultra progressive wing of the dem party, typically the tail wagging the dog like the reps have the religious right, pushing Obama. The Hollywood set and other party "thought leaders" and I believe Soros/Move On as well. Obama got an early lead because the press gave him a free ride and only now are the flaws starting to come out. Hillery is fighting her bellybutton off -- she doesn't want to lose. She of course is a machine poll as well.
The dems will likely tank themselves, but it's about ambition not insider/outsider at this point. If anything Hillery is the outsider, have shown a willingness to be "less progressive" than the urban elite progressives that control the party platforms (and in the media) have a stomach for.
If McCain wins, at least the remaining conservatives (decidedly a minority) in the republican party might be able to force some constructionist or at least limited textrualist jurists on McCain like they had to on Bush. That's a big positive for me and for less activism on the court -- liberal or conservative. And McCain is somewhat less against the 2nd than most in the Washington establishment. golf clap
But yeah... more of the same. Not that Obama or Clinton represent anything but a different flavored big government more of the same. The chance for real change passed with Paul and Kucinich.
Charon
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I think Hillary has some dirt on Obama. I think it’s bad. Bad enough that she is sure it will mean the race when the Republicans find it. And paradoxically bad enough that she can’t use it herself without splintering the party. She can’t even use it by proxy or she knows she will be blamed anyway. It has to come straight from the Republicans, but of course, by then it will be too late. She has hung in there this long hoping desperately someone else in the media would stumble across it independently or she would win enough delegates that she wouldn’t have to use the nuclear option herself.
Say for example…he has already admitted cocaine use. What if there was someone in the wings willing to testify that he had sold them some when they were young. I can see Americans overlooking an occasional youthful snort at a party. Could America elect someone who had handed over a bag of coke and pocketed cash?
Wab
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In light of airheads post...and in some ways I guess that Ron Paul really could bring us all together.. not in some phony "my way or prison" democrat "bring us together" way but.. one that we could all feel good about...
for about a month.
That would be how long it would take for all the socialist blue voters to realize that not only was he gonna let em smoke pot but....he was gonna take away the government tit from em and get rid of all the giveaway programs and make people responsible for themselves...
about how long it would take for the religious right to realize that he not only thinks abortion is evil and murder but that he thinks religions putting their morality on us is wrong.
Nope... the blue voters want socialism and the red voters don't and never the two shall meet. It is an ideological difference that has to end in bloodshed.. no other way.
lazs
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Hillary is part of the machine and Obama isn't....simple as that.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,235095.msg2871307.html#msg2871307
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(http://www.conservative-t-shirts.com/img/HDRS/HDR-wtf.gif)
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Thanks alot Moot for making me waste an hour clicking and reclicking that link over and over. Very funny. :mad:
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Thanks alot Moot for making me waste an hour clicking and reclicking that link over and over. Very funny. :mad:
And did it take that long for Charon's post ti sink in? ;) :D
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And did it take that long for Charon's post ti sink in? ;) :D
What????
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What????
Hillary is part of the machine and Obama isn't....simple as that.
Now read Charon's post again. That is where moot's link points to.
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Thanks alot Moot for making me waste an hour clicking and reclicking that link over and over. Very funny. :mad:
It's Skuzzy's fault.
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How is Hillary going to win it at this late hour? The last two contests are tommorow, and she trails by 159 delegates, with the word bring all the SDs are just waiting for the word to endorse Obama and end it this week (probably by Wed night). If Hillary had any real clout with the SDs, they would have done something by now. Her campaign is over, it was over weeks ago.
There may be some die-hard Hillary fans that think something is going to happen (like a comet hitting the earth I guess) but past that, its done. Wether she takes the VP slot (if its offered) is the only realistic question left.
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It'll be decided by the super deligates....And MT,I agree with you that any Dem would be better than a continued Bush agenda of 4 more years, which is what McCain offers- my objection will be to the way the nomination is decided - back room deals by the power elite. That's how the Republicans operate- I thought we were more responsive to the people in our party's wishes tho.
Theres no difference in the way dems and reps work, we still get poopoo'd no matter who wins! :aok
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if the bro don't get it, they lose the black vote and lose in Nov
my guess is that bama will be told to select the ho for his veep
at that point, the bro best watch his back as the witch is j a heart beat away from POTUS ... his
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Ever since the public got some actual INFO about Obama (certainly not from NBC or MSNBC) i.e. Reverend Wright, etc, and more audio clips of his hateful wife, Obama has been getting his arse kicked by Hillary in the working class union vote, and if the primary season had started a week after super Tuesday, he wouldn't even be in the running. I think I loathe McCain the least of the three, but Hillary has a far better chance of winning than does Obama. When you get past his prepared speeches to fawning liberal anchors , he's an empty suit. It's apparently more important to the DNC to nominate a Black man than to win the election. (WHY does Harold Ford get no traction in this party?)
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How is Hillary going to win it at this late hour? The last two contests are tommorow, and she trails by 159 delegates, with the word bring all the SDs are just waiting for the word to endorse Obama and end it this week (probably by Wed night). If Hillary had any real clout with the SDs, they would have done something by now. Her campaign is over, it was over weeks ago.
There may be some die-hard Hillary fans that think something is going to happen (like a comet hitting the earth I guess) but past that, its done. Wether she takes the VP slot (if its offered) is the only realistic question left.
Her ego won't allow her to quit; And by my best guess, she will use any weapon she can to get the nomination, Even at the risk of destroying the Dem's chances in November. Out of all the first ladies, she has been the only one that has done more in politics than either Eleanor Roosevelt or Jackie Kennedy (Onassis). There's no other way to explain why someone would fritter away 20 million dollars' of their own money, on a slim chance to take the White House. And for that reason, I do not doubt that she would be more than willing to drop the bomb on Obama's campaign, if there is one to be had. She's WAY too bent on being the first woman POTUS to stop now. She might accept the VP slot, but if she does, It will be with bumping Obama off in mind, and taking the Oval office by succesion. I honestly think that it would be wise for the DNC to expunge her completely, but they won't if it means they can take the White house, even through her. A truly nasty situation in U.S. politics, indeed.
I'd implore you all to write in someone like Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich, and not give in to the mainstream; Hell, if you vote for McCain and he's likely to lose to Obama or Clinton anyway, what's it gonna hurt to speak your true voice in this matter?
If it turns out like Lasz has said, and the country falls apart(don't think it can/will, though) It would look better if you upheld the beliefs you are willing to shed blood for now, rather than jumping on the wagon at the last minute...
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Unfortunately the Dems don't have the gonads to nominate Hillary. She would make a great President.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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my guess is that bama will be told to select the ho for his veep
No offense but have you been following the campaign? Not a chance.
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Actually, I think Hillary is the one leading in the popular vote.
Its impossible to determine that statement with any accuracy inasmuch as about 4 states that dot report vote totals.
"her definition of "popular vote" now includes only primary states. In the past, she excluded four caucus states that did not report vote totals: Iowa, Maine, Nevada, and Washington. Now she's excluding all of them.
By excluding caucus states, Clinton is dismissing the preferences of voters in fourteen states, home to more than 56 million Americans and nearly one in five voters. And by Clinton's new rules, they might as well have never voted."
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/06/hillary-clinton.html
And...
"Oh, and it's not true.
Let me go through the numbers without making your head spin.
After Kentucky and Oregon, Obama has an official popular vote lead of 449,486.
This does not include Iowa (where Obama first broke from the pack), Nevada (where Hillary won the popular vote narrowly), Maine (where Obama won easily) or Washington state (another strong Obama state). Why? Because these caucus states don't officially report their popular votes. But if we're going to truly count all the votes, official and nonofficial, as Hillary advocates, you can't very well not include caucus states.
Adding in the unofficial tally from caucus states, as estimated by realclearpolitics.com based on official caucus turnout and the number of local delegates selected at the precinct level, that gives Obama a lead of 559,708.
Now we come to Florida and Michigan, whose popular votes Hillary says should be counted. The argument for counting them is no better than for counting the caucus states (and maybe worse, considering that these states violated party rules by moving their primaries up on the calendar, and no one campaigned there). But for the sake of argument let's count 'em. That gives Hillary a lead of 63,373.
HILLARY WINS POPULAR VOTE!
Not so fast. If the Democratic National Committee completes its expected settlement on May 31, Florida and Michigan will each get half of their votes counted. Translated to popular votes, that would subtract about 325,000 votes from Hillary, putting Obama back into the lead."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/138109
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No matter which way its sliced. I dont see the Reps having much of a chance in Nov unless there is a MAJOR about face in the economy,gas prices. and to a lessor extent. Iraq.
With a weak economy and Gas prices the way they are. They are going ot be the two main issues. Reguardless of if anyone can actually do something about them or not. Each side is going to have to spew the rhetoric that they can.
On this front with Bush being as popular as he is the people are tired of the Reps way of doing things.
they are going to equate mcCain with Bush reguardless of how different he really is.
It doesnt matter. People see Republican. They think Bush
Strike 1 on trhe Republican ticket
If Hillary wins the nomination. Your going to see large blocks of Female republicans jumping ship, and female independants.
On that front Women tend to be women first. Political party memeber second.
I know of very few women. As I stated in another thread many of whom are republican. who wouldnt vote for Hillary simply because she is a woman. Many women regardless of party affiliation just want to see a woman president.
You can count my wife in with that group who would cross the lines
Strike for the republican ticket
If Obama wins the nomination. Large segments of black voters are going ot come out and vote for him simply because he is black.
Many of which might not have even bothered visiting the polls in Nov otherwise.
Remember. The USA has one of the worst voter turnouts worldwide.
Add to that he is putting out a message of Hope or "feel good" as Laz might like to put it.
True or not true. He learned a powerfull lesson from Ronald Reagan.
A large part of Regans appeal that got him elected was a dissatisfaction with the current party in power combined with his positive message "I Beleive Americans best days are ahead of us"
Potentially strike 3 for the republican ticket
To offset some of this there are probably a large number of white men and women of both parties who might come out to vote against Obama....Because he is black.
I have a brother in law who is a card carrying die hard Demoncrat who plans on doing exactly that for exactly that reason.
Obama is the only chance McCain has.
And even that chance is slim at best
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Wanna know Barry?
Here's a good place to start, about his start in politics. http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/ A good, entertaining and well written piece. Some snippets.
His Illinois State Senate Record:
Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city's most popular black call-in radio program.
I called Kelley last week and he recollected the private conversation as follows:
"He said, 'Cliff, I'm gonna make me a U.S. Senator.'"
"Oh, you are? Who might that be?"
"Barack Obama."
Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.
"I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen," State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. "Barack didn't have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.
"I don't consider it bill jacking," Hendon told me. "But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the one-yard line, and then give it to the halfback who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book."
During his seventh and final year in the state Senate, Obama's stats soared. He sponsored a whopping 26 bills passed into law — including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced.
It was a stunning achievement that started him on the path of national politics — and he couldn't have done it without Jones...
So how has Obama repaid Jones?
Last June, to prove his commitment to government transparency, Obama released a comprehensive list of his earmark requests for fiscal year 2008. It comprised more than $300 million in pet projects for Illinois, including tens of millions for Jones's Senate district.
Shortly after Jones became Senate president, I remember asking his view on pork-barrel spending.
I'll never forget what he said:
"Some call it pork; I call it steak."
Good old Emil Jones -- machine politician and steak lover.
An endorsement I had forgotten about from the same article:
Though it didn't make national news, Obama inflamed many residents in his old state Senate district last March when he endorsed controversial Chicago alderman Dorothy Tillman in a runoff election.
Flamboyant and unpredictable, Tillman is perhaps best known for once pulling a pistol from her purse and brandishing it around at a city council meeting. The ward she represented for 22 years, which included historic Bronzeville, comprised the city's largest concentration of vacant lots.
Just three months before Obama made his endorsement, the Lakefront Outlook community newspaper ran a three-part investigative series exposing flagrant cronyism and possible tax-law violations that centered on Tillman and her biggest pet project, a taxpayer-funded cultural center built across the street from her ward office that had been hemorrhaging money since its inception.
The series won a national George Polk Award, among the most coveted prizes in journalism. Not bad for a 12-page rag with a circulation of 12,000 and no Web site. I had already left the Outlook and had nothing to do with the project.
In the end, Tillman lost the election despite Obama's endorsement, which critics said countered his calls for clean government. Obama told the Chicago Tribune that he had backed Tillman because she was an early supporter of his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign.
Some of Obama's other endorsements for change:
There was little controversy earlier this year when Sen. Barack Obama endorsed Mayor Richard Daley over two black opponents for a sixth term, lending his star power to an inevitable rout...
In the 2006 Democratic primary, for example, Obama endorsed first-time candidate Alexi Giannoulias for state treasurer despite reports about loans Giannoulias' family-owned Broadway Bank made to crime figures. Records show Giannoulias and his family had given more than $10,000 to Obama's campaign, which banked at Broadway...
Obama supported the re-election of Gov. Rod Blagojevich, whose administration is embroiled in corruption probes...
And during the race for Cook County Board president, Obama predictably endorsed Todd Stroger over a Republican. But he was criticized for calling Stroger "a good progressive" despite allegations of job-rigging to favor members of Stroger's 8th Ward organization...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama_endorse_12jun12,0,484394.story
If you live in the state you would know that, aside from Daley, there is clear, broad and fairly bipartisan disdain for all of his endorsed candidates. These folk are considered politcal tools (hacks, corrupt, more of the same, investigated by both the justice system and the media, etc.) and are part of the state/cook county democratic machine. The endorsements were clearly politically motivated for anti-change. I personally include Daley and his corrupt city and county govt. in the group of political tools, but daley does have his ardent supporters with some room to argue the validity of the endorsement, I suppose..
I didn't mention Rezko because that's old news.
What about the federal level?
His mentor is Illinois is Senator Dick "Guantanamo is a concentration camp/gulag" Durbin. Ted Kennedy gave him an early and strong endorsement. Obama seems to keep similar political company as he does religious guidance.
His votes on key issues ( http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/key-votes/ ) mirrors that of the Democratic party, by and large. You will likley get change with him as president, they type of change you would expect under, say, President Ted Kennedy.
What about reform? Barry makes a big deal out of not taking obvious lobby money, but he has plenty of less obvious money from special interests. Not a single penny comes from an offical lobbyist -- all are individual donations. An awful lot of employees from specific institutions know for their progressive desire for change, like Wall Street, of course, gave Barry a bunch of cash:
Goldman Sachs $571,330
University of California $437,236
UBS AG $364,806
JPMorgan Chase & Co $362,207
Citigroup Inc $358,054
National Amusements Inc $320,750
Lehman Brothers $318,647
Google Inc $309,514
Harvard University $309,025
Sidley Austin LLP $294,245
Skadden, Arps et al $270,013
Time Warner $262,677
Morgan Stanley $259,876
Jones Day $250,725
Exelon Corp $236,211
University of Chicago $218,857
Wilmerhale LLP $218,680
Latham & Watkins $218,615
Microsoft Corp $209,242
Stanford University $195,262
Various links:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/indus.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
There is of course, much more. The elitism charge dates back to his state senate days actually. He has played Hillery style games at the state/local political level and won with those tactics. He says he's against NAFTA in public but reassures the Canadians in private. He claims to be for the 2nd Amendment but is the worst candiate in the field on the issue (and was when there wwere more running).
Just another machine political tool, and one that manages to make Hillery seem better and more nobel buy comparison. And that says a lot. The best thing about Obama as President is not having Obama as my Senator.
Charon
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Methinks Charon is a Hillary fan. :)
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(http://www.takeyourcountryback.com/DEAN/ENDORSEMENTS/IMAGES2/dewey_defeats_truman_lg.jpg)
If it's not in the papers it must not be true!
Mac
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Obama will give McCain a landslide for the history books....mehopes :pray
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(http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/06/03/vanity.fair.clinton/art.clintons.afp.gi.jpg)
Bill: "Dammm *hiccup* Hillery look ash all thess peoples, theys all jess Lub me!"
Hillery: "Dammit Bill will you just Shut Up?"
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Methinks Charon is a Hillary fan.
The tough old bird has impressed me more than I would have thought in this campaign by not giving in to the whole "now just step aside and let the anointed one rule" directives from the media and party elites. What the hell, actually. It's hardly been a blow out. Good for her. Fight for your dreams. But not a fan of hers by any means :)
Ron Paul is more my taste. In fact, the only candidate I could honestly support, flaws and all. The only one with my core small government, individual rights, libertarian-leaning (but not totally anarchist) beliefs. Right on foreign policy, trade, immigration and domestic policy. Perhaps even the economy.
As for Barry...
If you want him in office because he will provide a a traditional but far left progressive focus then you won't be disappointed. If you want the type of change a Dick Durbin or Ted Kennedy or Nancy Pelosi would encourage than I bet that's what you will get. But, he will be just as involved with the pork and special interests as any of the current candidates. A different pot of pork, somewhat, but more spending, more special interests, fewer freedoms and rights and a bigger federal govt. People say "four more years of bush" with McCain, but IMO it's functionally the same with either Obama or Hillery.
The only two candidates that were true outsiders to the system are out of the running. The rest were/are all machine, insider politicians. That's the way it works. The parties pick the slate of acceptable, no change status quo politicians and we get to pick the lesser of two evils as our shining role in the Republic. Yeah!
Charon
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Woohoo! Jimmy Carter part 2 wins nomination!
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/03/obama-poised-for-victory-as-clinton-weighs-options/
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No offense but have you been following the campaign? Not a chance.
I think his only shot is to pick her and I think he will.
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I think his only shot is to pick her and I think he will.
She brings along a lot of negatives though. Could be a losers choice as well.
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She brings along a lot of negatives though. Could be a losers choice as well.
maybe but he loses for sure if he picks ANYONE else
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For those who think an Obama Nomination will mean an easy McCain win.
Remember the election is about 6 months away
6 Months ago Hillary was considered a virtual shoe in to win the Democratic nomination.
McCains in for a fight. regardless of who Obama picks to run with
Alot tougher fight then I think alot of people are expecting.
the Classic old bull vs young bull fight.
He has several things going for him McCain simply doesnt
He's got that message of hope. Doesnt matter if he can produce what he's promising.
Dont underestimate the positive message
Alot of people didnt know if Regan could produce on his message of hope either.
But he put it forth in such a way that people beleived him. He presented hope Obama is doing the same.
Remember that line in Pale Rider "You give them hope and they'll be dug in deeper then ticks on a hound."
McCain may have experience. But that may work against him. Again people are tired of the republican "experience"
Remember the Bush "dream team"?
I wouldnt be surprised if that gets some play if McCain tries using the experience card
Obama has youth. People can identify with Obama. They see the latest style
Your Average person simply cant Identify with McCain.
To your average person he just looks like a weak old man from an era that most people would just rather forget about.
Mccain has at best, a fighters chance. but much of it depends on things he cant control. The economy, Gas prices, and Iraq and Iran situation.
Anything less then a drastic change on 2 of the 3 issues and Mccain looses.
The only other way I see him as having a chance is if he very vocally distances himself andrabidly turns on the current administration.
He's GOT to present himself as the anti Bush republican...while still remaining a republican.
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I really can't imagine Obama picking Clinton as VP. Her and Bill always playing for attention his entire term if elected, trying to upstage him, stab him in the back and work to replace him 4 years down the road. A case where "keep your enemies closer" would be too much of a PITA. Unless she REALLY would be happy to end her career as VP... or Run 8 years down the road... Longshots on both, IMO.
McCains in for a fight. regardless of who Obama picks to run with
I would like to disagree with you Drediock (really really would), but I never expected Bush to win his second term even with the turd the Democrats floated as his opponent. The will of the American people is an odd one indeed.
Hey, if Barry does win at least we MAY get a chance to have a decent Senator in his district now.
Here's the real kicker. If Obama's initial Senatorial opponent's Jack Ryan's wife actress Jeri Ryan (7 of 9 from Star Trek) hadn't been so hot and her hubby a bit of a exhibitionist at heart we wouldn't be in this mess today. "From hell's heart, I stab at thee -- Jack Ryan! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." (The Wrath of Campaign (2004) -- IMDb)
Obama benefited from a Republican sex scandal that didn't involve some gay tryst for a change :) Quite the opposite, in fact. :aok
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/stancho/413_Jeri_Ryan_SEXY_SEE_THRU_NIP_SLIP_Signed_8x10_WOW___.jpg
Ryan married actress Jeri Ryan in 1991; together they have a son, Alex Ryan. They divorced in 1999 in California, and the records of the divorce were sealed at their mutual request. Five years later, when Ryan's Senate campaign began, the Chicago Tribune newspaper and WLS-TV, the local ABC affiliate, sought to have the records released. On March 3, 2004, several of Ryan's GOP primary opponents urged release of the records.[5] Both Ryan and his wife agreed to make their divorce records public, but not make the custody records public, claiming that the custody records could be harmful to their son if released. On March 16, 2004, Ryan won the GOP primary with 36 percent to 23 percent against Jim Oberweis who came in second.[6] Obama won the Democratic primary, with 53 percent to 23 percent against Dan Hynes, who came in second.
Barack Obama's backers emailed reporters about the divorce controversy, but refrained from on-the-record commentary about the divorce files.[7] On March 29, 2004, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider ruled that several of the Ryans' divorce records should be opened to the public, and ruled that a court-appointed referee would later decide which custody files should remain sealed to protect the interests of Ryan's young child.[8] The following week, on April 2, 2004, Barack Obama changed his position about the Ryans' soon-to-be-released divorce records, and called on Democrats to not inject them into the campaign.[7] The Ryan campaign characterized Obama's shift as hypocritical, because Obama's backers had been emailing reports about the divorce records prior to Judge Schnider's decision.[7]
On June 22, 2004, after receiving the report from the court-appointed referee, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider released the files that were deemed consistent with the interests of Ryan's young child. In those files, Jeri Ryan alleged that Jack Ryan had taken her to sex clubs in several cities, intending for them to have sex in public.[1] The decision to release these files generated much controversy because it went against both parents' direct request, and because it reversed the earlier decision to seal the papers in the best interest of the child. Jim Oberweis, Ryan's defeated GOP opponent, commented that "these are allegations made in a divorce hearing, and we all know people tend to say things that aren't necessarily true in divorce proceedings when there is money involved and custody of children involved."[1]
Prior to release of the documents, Ryan had told leading Republicans that five percent of the divorce file could cause problems for his campaign.[9] But after the documents were released, GOP officials including state GOP Chair Judy Baar Topinka said they felt Ryan had misleadingly indicated the divorce records would not be embarrassing.[10] That charge of dishonesty led to intensifying calls for Ryan's withdrawal, though Topinka said after the June 25 withdrawal that Ryan's "decision was a personal one" and that the state GOP had not pressured Ryan to drop out.[11] Ryan's campaign ended less than a week after the custody records were opened, and Ryan officially filed the documentation to withdraw on July 29, 2004. The same party leaders who called for Ryan's resignation controversially chose Alan Keyes as Ryan's replacement in the race; Keyes lost to Obama, 27% to 70%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(Senate_candidate)
Charon
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Get ready for more tough, even-handed reporting like THIS (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,362722,00.html)
The Wall Street Journal's James Taranto points out a Times' editorial early last month called for the contenders to fully disclose their medical records.
Three weeks later John McCain released a 1,000 page file to reporters. He also made his personal doctors available for questions during a scheduled 90 minute
conference call that was cut to 45 minutes after questions stopped.
The Times' headline read, "Tight Control on McCain Files and Shortened Question Period."
But when Barack Obama released a one page written statement from his doctor last Friday, the banner was a bit different.
"Obama's Doctor, Praising His Health, Sees No Obstacles to Service."
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I suppose you see some sort of vast left wing media conspiracy there? :eek:
Looks pretty fair and balanced don't you think? :lol
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Obama has youth. People can identify with Obama. They see the latest style
Your Average person simply cant Identify with McCain.
To your average person he just looks like a weak old man from an era that most people would just rather forget about.
historically youth doesn't vote in large numbers - otherwise Kerry would have won by a huge margin.
The black vote is what will swing it for obama if they can bus enough of them into the voting booths ...
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Get ready for more tough, even-handed reporting like THIS (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,362722,00.html)
The only people who don't know that the NYT is bent sharply to the left believe they themselves are centrists.
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I think his only shot is to pick her and I think he will.
If he picker her as vp he signs his own death warrent.
:noid,
Wab
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If he picker her as vp he signs his own death warrent.
:noid,
Wab
Yeah, there is that.