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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: crockett on May 24, 2008, 10:51:28 AM
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This game has little to do with Aces or actual fighter combat...
Lets just call the game what it really is..
Toolsheders vs Gangtards
Just toss in some air spawns and and instant power up blinky things and I'm sure that will make the average AHer happy. I just flew that last 2 hours and not a single sortie could I get a 1 on 1 fight. It was either a minimum of 4 vs 1 or nothing. Any chance of a 1 on 1 soon ended by the so called other pilot diving to the deck or running to his buddies.
Of course the toolsheders can't be left out. I mean hell they have a map to play on the size of Texas but what base do they capture? Why of course the one base that provided the only 3 way fight on the map.
I keep taking these short breaks hoping when I come back maybe just maybe something changed... I always end up being disappointed sad to say. One of these days I think I'm just gonna take a break that I don't come back from. There is really little to be desired anymore if you actually enjoy air combat that don't consist of being one of the 6 tards on the noob train chasing the single enemy.
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This game has little to do with Aces or actual fighter combat...
Lets just call the game what it really is..
Toolsheders vs Gangtards
Just toss in some air spawns and and instant power up blinky things and I'm sure that will make the average AHer happy. I just flew that last 2 hours and not a single sortie could I get a 1 on 1 fight. It was either a minimum of 4 vs 1 or nothing. Any chance of a 1 on 1 soon ended by the so called other pilot diving to the deck or running to his buddies.
Of course the toolsheders can't be left out. I mean hell they have a map to play on the size of Texas but what base do they capture? Why of course the one base that provided the only 3 way fight on the map.
I keep taking these short breaks hoping when I come back maybe just maybe something changed... I always end up being disappointed sad to say. One of these days I think I'm just gonna take a break that I don't come back from. There is really little to be desired anymore if you actually enjoy air combat that don't consist of being one of the 6 tards on the noob train chasing the single enemy.
well.....depends..if you're a bnz'er, some will get fed up with evading, and attempt to pull you past a friendly. i had to resort to this the other night, although the guy never folowed me down enough. so i chanced tactics, and each time i evaded him, i gained alt. by the time i got co-alt, he decided to run. with me in a p38, him in a ponyB, i couldn't catch him. o well.......
try checking out MW..we like to fight there. not normally too many hotards or alt monkeys there.
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I'm a slow learner so, I'm liking some aspects of the game.
Let's face it, the prediction code / collision code needs work. As it stands, you can spray someone with a nanosecond burst and BOOM...and other times, same planes you can spray with cannon rounds (YOU THINK you are hitting them) and nothing happens. What YOU see and what the server sees is totally different.
Thus, 1v1 is still always going to be unbalanced. So you have to take the game as a whole.
If it's 1v1's you want you have three options.
1. dueling server
2. fly HIGH over a contested town and look for that 1v1, you will probably find it at around 15-20k...but have a buddy 5k behind you in case HIS buddy 5k behind him decides to jump in.
3. LOOK for it. You can't just spawn and expect 1v1's. They didn't happen in real life that often you know? I like to look around the towns where the numbers are equal and the battle is in between bases. I usually fly away from the middle of the line a bit, and usually that's where you will meet up with someone else trying to sneak in for bomb drops. Happens to me all the time. I have to drop my bombs/rockets and duke it out. Unfortunately however there usually is another guy with him or behind him. There is much to be learned with a 1 vs 2 (you being the 1). For me it usually ends in being sixed and not being able to shake them. Although I did this inverted loop with my mosquito the other night and was amazed to see the aircraft that was on my six was now flying low RIGHT below me. I upped the wep, knifed over and sixed him. :) 1 down 1 to go. The other guy in a p50run took off. Yay.
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I've been flying a Spit XVI most of this camp just because of this. I fly right into the biggest red dar bar of gang tardlettes I can find and I've continually suprised myself with how many scalps I can fly away with. To top it off, along the way I've had some really fun one on one and two on ones.
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Why's everyone so desperate for one on ones?
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well.....depends..if you're a bnz'er, some will get fed up with evading, and attempt to pull you past a friendly. i had to resort to this the other night, although the guy never folowed me down enough. so i chanced tactics, and each time i evaded him, i gained alt. by the time i got co-alt, he decided to run. with me in a p38, him in a ponyB, i couldn't catch him. o well.......
try checking out MW..we like to fight there. not normally too many hotards or alt monkeys there.
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Nope I rarely ever BnZ unless I'm in a sea of red and even then I don't like doing it. If it's a 1 on 1 I always drop alt to make a fair fight if I have an advantage. I have more fun being at a dis-advange within reason of course (ie I don't like being BnZed in a 1 on 1 thats just lame). I almost always fly early war planes in the MA because if I get in a good fight I want it to be a challenge and I'm hoping if I'm in a plane others think suck maybe they will be more willing to fight.
This has nothing to do with me having an advantage. It's always the same anymore, I will purposely bait people into fights by giving them my six or what ever I can do to make sure they don't run at the start. However it never fails soon as you reverse them or you work that advantage away from them, the average player dives to the deck or runs to their buddies. They just can't fight with out the advantage so rather that trying the better option seems to be run away.
I don't think I'm some fighter ace god or anything and I'm not trying to sound like that. I don't care if I'm at a disadvantage, I still don't run from a fight assuming I'm not RTB or in a damaged plane. I am always willing to fight and I could care less if I get killed in a good fight.
If I get out flown in a good fight by another player, then that's 10 times more fun to me than landing 5 or 6 easy kills. I just can't understand who can actually be satisfied by being the 4th or 5th guy on a single con trying to get the kill? That's just freaking retarded.
The sad part is, there is really no place in this game anymore for people who just want to dogfight. It's quite simply just go Furball and stay in your hoard shooting at anything you can or tool shedding and base taking.
There seems to be no more room anymore for guys that wanna drift the edges looking for a good fight.. Because 90% of the time if you find a lone con he's damn sure not sticking around for a fight. Most likely you would just be and interruption in that radar that must die..
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Let's face it, the prediction code / collision code needs work. As it stands, you can spray someone with a nanosecond burst and BOOM...and other times, same planes you can spray with cannon rounds (YOU THINK you are hitting them) and nothing happens. What YOU see and what the server sees is totally different.
The server "sees" nothing. All that matters is what you see on your front end...period.
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Why's everyone so desperate for one on ones?
Because maybe some of us enjoy a good fight and like to put our skills up against another.
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Why's everyone so desperate for one on ones?
OK, so you sign up for a dogfighting game and log on only to see hordes of ganger/runners hoping to find a vulch. The moment you find any con even close to a co-alt fight, they dive and fly under a horde of friendlies. So you make a decision, look at the map and find a friendly horde to get in, and do exactly what the other teams are doing to you. Avoid fighting anything that carries even the slightest risk of them getting guns on you, so that you might overwhelm a base and get a vuclh going. Go and land your cherries and vulches and get great amounts of praise on 200 as if you actually did something that took skill.
This is what AH is turning into, everyone checking scores to see who got the most vulch sorties in a row to get the highest fighter score without actually "fighting" anything. Very lame, and not something that people who like the adrenalin of the fight would be interested in. :aok
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OK, so you sign up for a dogfighting game and log on only to see hordes of ganger/runners hoping to find a vulch. The moment you find any con even close to a co-alt fight, they dive and fly under a horde of friendlies. So you make a decision, look at the map and find a friendly horde to get in, and do exactly what the other teams are doing to you. Avoid fighting anything that carries even the slightest risk of them getting guns on you, so that you might overwhelm a base and get a vuclh going. Go and land your cherries and vulches and get great amounts of praise on 200 as if you actually did something that took skill.
This is what AH is turning into, everyone checking scores to see who got the most vulch sorties in a row to get the highest fighter score without actually "fighting" anything. Very lame, and not something that people who like the adrenalin of the fight would be interested in. :aok
Yep, pretty much sums up the game anymore..
I was gonna suggest renaming it to "Vulchers & Gangtards" but I didn't want to leave the tool shedders out. :salute
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I was gonna suggest renaming it to "Vulchers & Gangtards" but I didn't want to leave the tool shedders out. :salute
You left out whiners.
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OK, so you sign up for a dogfighting game and log on only to see hordes of ganger/runners hoping to find a vulch. The moment you find any con even close to a co-alt fight, they dive and fly under a horde of friendlies. So you make a decision, look at the map and find a friendly horde to get in, and do exactly what the other teams are doing to you. Avoid fighting anything that carries even the slightest risk of them getting guns on you, so that you might overwhelm a base and get a vuclh going. Go and land your cherries and vulches and get great amounts of praise on 200 as if you actually did something that took skill.
This is what AH is turning into, everyone checking scores to see who got the most vulch sorties in a row to get the highest fighter score without actually "fighting" anything. Very lame, and not something that people who like the adrenalin of the fight would be interested in. :aok
know what haPPENED LAST TIME I TRIED VULCHING? i flew into the ground! :rofl :rofl
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You left out whiners.
Don't you have a base to vulch or a hoard to fly in.. or is it a slow day in squeaksville.
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Don't you have a base to vulch or a hoard to fly in.. or is it a slow day in squaksville.
Touch a nerve, did I?
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At least he has some.
Let's face it, the prediction code / collision code needs work. As it stands, you can spray someone with a nanosecond burst and BOOM...and other times, same planes you can spray with cannon rounds (YOU THINK you are hitting them) and nothing happens. What YOU see and what the server sees is totally different.
Wrong.
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This right here is prime example of how bad AH sucks these days. This is the film I took that above shot from, but in reality this could be any of the sorties from today or any other day.
I'm skirting the edges of a Nit - Rook furball flying as a Bish just looking for a good fight. I see an A6m about co alt and looks like the other cons are far enough away to let me get a good fight. So I engage the A6M but next thing you know every gangtard within 5 miles is trying to cherry pick me.
You know I just don't get it either, what makes someone want to be the 4th or 5th guy chasing a single plane? I can somewhat understand the first Ki84 jumping in, but why the 109? The second ki84? The Spitfire? The P51?
The really sad part is none of them shot me down I augered. I lasted about 4 mins in this fight and augered because I couldn't pull out of a roll being I was missing a flap. I mean serious how sad is that, 5 or 6 guys couldn't kill me I had to kill myself? I think it was 6 cons on me at the start went down to 4 after I got a little distance from the others. Hell I even had a set of bombers that came by shooting at me and none of them actually shot my plane down.
Anyway this is the film.. http://www.wargamerx.com/temp/p40.ahf (http://www.wargamerx.com/temp/p40.ahf)
Just please tell me this.. what does the 3rd, 4th, 4th, 5th or 6th guy think he will add to the fight?
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Touch a nerve, did I?
No I don't even have a clue who you are other than seeing your name here on the forum. However, just the fact that you see nothing wrong with being a gang tard or a vulcher tells me all I need to know about your flying style.
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Let's face it, the prediction code / collision code needs work. As it stands, you can spray someone with a nanosecond burst and BOOM...and other times, same planes you can spray with cannon rounds (YOU THINK you are hitting them) and nothing happens. What YOU see and what the server sees is totally different.
You are completely wrong, especially as your basic premise is non-valid. The server doesnt "see" anything. The server doesn't decide anything, neither in collisions nor if you did hit(and damage) your enemy.
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This right here is prime example of how bad AH sucks these days. This is the film I took that above shot from, but in reality this could be any of the sorties from today or any other day.
I'm skirting the edges of a Nit - Rook furball flying as a Bish just looking for a good fight. I see an A6m about co alt and looks like the other cons are far enough away to let me get a good fight. So I engage the A6M but next thing you know every gangtard within 5 miles is trying to cherry pick me.
You know I just don't get it either, what makes someone want to be the 4th or 5th guy chasing a single plane? I can somewhat understand the first Ki84 jumping in, but why the 109? The second ki84? The Spitfire? The P51?
The really sad part is none of them shot me down I augered. I lasted about 4 mins in this fight and augered because I couldn't pull out of a roll being I was missing a flap. I mean serious how sad is that, 5 or 6 guys couldn't kill me I had to kill myself? I think it was 6 cons on me at the start went down to 4 after I got a little distance from the others. Hell I even had a set of bombers that came by shooting at me and none of them actually shot my plane down.
Anyway this is the film.. http://www.wargamerx.com/temp/p40.ahf (http://www.wargamerx.com/temp/p40.ahf)
Just please tell me this.. what does the 3rd, 4th, 4th, 5th or 6th guy think he will add to the fight?
Sooo lemme get this right. You want to jump into a sea of red and NOT get ganged?
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5 or 6 gangtards all hording one low and slow bandit has been going on since the beginning of online flight sims, so let's not pretend that it's something new.
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You are completely wrong, especially as your basic premise is non-valid. The server doesnt "see" anything. The server doesn't decide anything, neither in collisions nor if you did hit(and damage) your enemy.
Getting rdy with links. Haven't used em in a bit. :aok
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No I don't even have a clue who you are other than seeing your name here on the forum. However, just the fact that you see nothing wrong with being a gang tard or a vulcher tells me all I need to know about your flying style.
Where was it that I said I saw nothing wrong with being a gang tard or vulcher?
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Sooo lemme get this right. You want to jump into a sea of red and NOT get ganged?
I didn't jump into a red of sea.. I was trying to get the zeek to come out and fight me. I was trying to get him out away from all the others but he started closing in faster than I expect so I had to turn and engage him. At that point all the other cons run in trying to get a lame pick kill.
That's what I'm asking.. Why does the average AH tard feel the need to be the 3rd person chasing a single con much less the 5th or 6th? I mean seriously if I dove into a sea of red I could expect to get ganged. I didn't do that, they came to me trying to pick after I was engaged with the zeek.
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I was at a friendly base one night as it was captured. I started out fighting a couple of cons that were there. Pretty soon there were at least 20 cons up all chasing me. So, the moral of the story is, don't worry about the first 6 or 7 :D
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I didn't jump into a red of sea.. I was trying to get the zeek to come out and fight me. I was trying to get him out away from all the others but he started closing in faster than I expect so I had to turn and engage him. At that point all the other cons run in trying to get a lame pick kill.
That's what I'm asking.. Why does the average AH tard feel the need to be the 3rd person chasing a single con much less the 5th or 6th? I mean seriously if I dove into a sea of red I could expect to get ganged. I didn't do that, they came to me trying to pick after I was engaged with the zeek.
You were picking at the edges of a rook/nit fight. What did you expect?
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5 or 6 gangtards all hording one low and slow bandit has been going on since the beginning of online flight sims, so let's not pretend that it's something new.
It hasn't always been this bad. Granted there has always been gang tards hell I can remember playing MS CFS and can remember gangtards in that game. The difference is now days there is just so much less actual fighting. It's all the sore potatos that can't do anything but cherry pick a lone con who is already fighting 2 or 3 others.
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You were picking at the edges of a rook/nit fight. What did you expect?
Yea your right.. I must be playing wrong game. Here I thought this game was about air combat not trying to rack up as many easy kills as I could land. I expected to have a good fight with a con or two that was also out skirting the edges of a furball looking for a good fight. What on earth was I thinking, it's pretty clear this isn't that game I thought it was.
For some odd reason I thought Aces High was about air combat not air quake.
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What you want is a dueling arena.
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What you want is a dueling arena.
Have you ever flown in the DA? It's worse than the MA with all the gangtards in furball lake. Sure you can get some duals going in private sections in there but I've never really been into that. TBH I just don't like the private duals in most cases, I like to run into a random fight where you never know who or what the other plane is or what alt they will be.
I'm just not into the whole, fly the same plane as the other guy at a set alt.
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For some odd reason I thought Aces High was about air combat not air quake.
If HT started charging by the hour so only the hard core guys would play then maybe you could get more air combat to your liking. Kind of like the old Air Warrior days when it cost $6.00 and hour plus long distance charges.
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Crockett no need to get so wound up. The MA is the MA, coming here and whining about it wont change it a bit. As for the DA comment, get yourself a few DA buddies and go there often.
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Sooo lemme get this right. You want to jump into a sea of red and NOT get ganged?
Bronk, he jumped into a fight with a zeke, probably knowing the ki84 nad pony were coming. Did you look at the film? Did you see how many came in and how many HO's he had to dodge? This is what I experience in the MA alot, bunch of fellas who could care less about "how" they play the game, only worried about landing kills on 200. I mean, what was the 4th and 5th guys in, thinking, that they were going to come in and steal the kill of the other 3 friendlies that were already fighting Strafing? What does this say about the community?
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If you want better fights, try out the AvA arena. :aok
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coming here and whining about it
Making a point about how many play this way nowadays is a valid discussion, make sure you understand the point before you make comments like this. :aok
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Sky I understand the point. Changing the path of least resistance mentality is an uphill battle. It's the same mentality kids have when they DL every cheat code for a console game. They want it all and they want it now.
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If you want better fights, try out the AvA arena. :aok
I tried it and it wasn't bad until it turned into the land grab. Then it turned into just another MA.
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Making a point about how many play this way nowadays is a valid discussion, make sure you understand the point before you make comments like this. :aok
He can't help it.. Bonk has to argue about everything. ;)
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I tried it and it wasn't bad until it turned into the land grab. Then it turned into just another MA.
Have you read about the new BoA?
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This was posted by Widewing in another thread and I thought it fit in nice here,
Getting a message of praise for a good fight when you were ganged....
Last night, I'm defending a V-base with an F6F-5. This base was closer to enemy airfields than ours and is rather close to the sector line as well. With the DAR down, you have little notice of incoming aircraft.
I had three kills, two GVs and one fighter, and was getting a low on gas. One friendly fighter arrives just as a mob of enemy fighters shows up. The friendly proved useless, not having a clue whatsoever. I shoot one P-51 off his six, but have to break off as I am the center of attention for the rest. The friendly bails out... I don't know why.
There's 5 enemy vs me, and they all have altitude and speed. Three P-51s, a Dora and a Spit8. I'm completely defensive, but manage to ping up a P-51's oil and he bugs out. After a few minutes, I ran out of gas. A sitting duck, it still takes them several passes to knock me down.
I then get a 200 message, the type of which I hate most: "Great fight Widewing, best all week. Not a single HO."
If his best fight of the week was a 5 on 1, he's not had any real fights. I thought that I would fix that for him.
I reply, "I'm coming back. If you guys have any sense, don't be there when I arrive."
My regards,
Widewing
I laughed! :aok
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He can't help it.. Bonk has to argue about everything. ;)
Not really I understand what your on about and I do sympathize. I just think the nature of the MA is unchangeable. Your not going to shame people into changing. Especially when the BBS is the small vocal minority.
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Sky I understand the point. Changing the path of least resistance mentality is an uphill battle. It's the same mentality kids have when they DL every cheat code for a console game. They want it all and they want it now.
So we shouldn't try and change them because it's a upwards battle? Making people aware that it's a noobish thing to do might just change one or two or three players minds. Maybe this post will show someone the light. Hell when I first started I did the same stupid stuff but I saw the light and realised that there was much more to be had than being the 3rd or 4th guy on a single con.
By making public posts like this and calling them out on 200 I can only hope that it might show the light for another player or two. What needs to happen, is the community needs to step up and start playing a active roll in bringing some real fighting back to this game.
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The situation at WW2OL is even worse. There's no killshooter over there, so everyone jumps the same con without any fear of the consequences. I don't always go looking for a 1:1, but I find that the higher I fly, the more 1:1 fights I get.
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Have you read about the new BoA?
No I pretty much haven't even looked at AvA once they went to the land grab stuff. The last time I flew there, the axis ran up the coast of what ever map it was capturing base after base and they didn't defend a single one of them. It was all about the capture points and nothing about the fight. After that I never went back.
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If HT started charging by the hour so only the hard core guys would play then maybe you could get more air combat to your liking. Kind of like the old Air Warrior days when it cost $6.00 and hour plus long distance charges.
bet it'd become a ghost town too.
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Making a point about how many play this way nowadays is a valid discussion, make sure you understand the point before you make comments like this. :aok
A whine is still a whine :aok
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A whine is still a whine :aok
You are whining about a whine, which make your whine all the more funny. Now I'm whining about you whining about a whine, but hey I guess anything is a whine if we go with your theory on whines. Oh wait there is yet another whine.. Sheez where wil they end? :aok
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Sky I understand the point. Changing the path of least resistance mentality is an uphill battle. It's the same mentality kids have when they DL every cheat code for a console game. They want it all and they want it now.
yup
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A whine is still a whine :aok
no, usually I only hear people claim others are whining when they have little skill or knowlege of the topic of discussion.....not much unlike yourself! :aok
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You are whining about a whine, which make your whine all the more funny. Now I'm whining about you whining about a whine, but hey I guess anything is a whine if we go with your theory on whines. Oh wait there is yet another whine.. Sheez where wil they end? :aok
Sounds like your buddy skyrock needs to explain what a whine is (at least what he thinks it is). :aok
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Have you ever flown in the DA? It's worse than the MA with all the gangtards in furball lake. Sure you can get some duals going in private sections in there but I've never really been into that. TBH I just don't like the private duals in most cases, I like to run into a random fight where you never know who or what the other plane is or what alt they will be.
I'm just not into the whole, fly the same plane as the other guy at a set alt.
Ummm...so you don't like a gentlemanly match/duel OR the random madness that is the MA? I just don't understand. The private duel GUARANTEES a good dogfight. If one prefers to fly in an enviroment where player behavior is not codified and regulated but is the random product of individual wills interacting, one can't really complain if it evolves away from what one may consider ideal. One can love it or hate it, but gang warfare (which is what the MA is) rewards unscrupulous, treacherous, dirty fighting.
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Ummm...so you don't like a gentlemanly match/duel OR the random madness that is the MA? I just don't understand. The private duel GUARANTEES a good dogfight. If one prefers to fly in an enviroment where player behavior is not codified and regulated but is the random product of individual wills interacting, one can't really complain if it evolves away from what one may consider ideal. One can love it or hate it, but gang warfare (which is what the MA is) rewards unscrupulous, treacherous, dirty fighting.
Did you watch the film? Can you give me any reason why the average AH player can't just leave a fight alone when it's already 2 vs 1 or 3 vs 1. I just want to know what these tards get out of being the 4th, 5th or 6th tard chasing a single con.
There used to be a bit more respect for the fight, people used to speak up about ganging and it was polite to ask before just jumping in on a fight. Now it's all about the kills and their score at the end of the month or getting wtg's for landing 4 or 5 noskill kills. You don't see anything wrong with that?
Is it really that much to ask, that people let a fight go on? I'm not expecting to fly into a furball full of red and not have anyone shoot at me, however why is it the noob bellybutton mentally of see red must kill it even if I'm the 5th guy trying?
oh and Donzo why are you even in this topic? You have yet to even post one useful response.
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Yea your right.. I must be playing wrong game. Here I thought this game was about air combat not trying to rack up as many easy kills as I could land. I expected to have a good fight with a con or two that was also out skirting the edges of a furball looking for a good fight. What on earth was I thinking, it's pretty clear this isn't that game I thought it was.
For some odd reason I thought Aces High was about air combat not air quake.
How many people in the MA at the time? 200+? Hard to find a 1 vs 1 with those kinda #'s
Try MW or EW. You will find 1vs1 real easy.
and if you still aren't satisfied then close your "Air Quake" account and be happy
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Well, it is a game, so morality doesn't really come in to it. I see it as kind of silly to be in a horde chasing a lone guy for a 1 in 5 chance of getting the kill on the guy, and I see it as ineffective tactics for all those guys to give up alt and E to horde one target. On the other hand, the opportunity to bust a conga line of fixated chasers off a friendly's six can be most satisfying.
See, for me, the duel is the way to enjoy the chess-game aspect of ACM, usually with someone I like. Whereas, MA fighting IMHO is not usually about the chess game. Like it or not, it is usually about murdering the other guy while watching for stabs to your own back. This to me is fun. Sometimes. In SMALL doses. I have to say...for me, it IS about the killing, the visceral sensation of hunting, fighting, and killing, my mind against theirs, and getting clean away with the dirty deed. Albeit in cyberspace, virtual killing having the distinct advantage of not earning one a prison sentence. To me, the people who use "lame tactics" and never try to learn are simply not developing their full potential to kill often and well. It is all one to me you see, tactics, ACM, and sneaking up on the low six to murder the bandit, all just tools I use so I can have the pleasure of shooting down the other plane more often and more easily. I may shake my head a little at other pilot's refusal to develop their talents, but really, in the long run, the less they learn, the easier it is for me to hunt them.
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The private duel GUARANTEES a good dogfight.
That depends on whos fighting who.
Crockett, you could go to the DA with the rule being "take whatever you want", maybe with a max alt but no min. You can make of it what you wish as long as the other party agrees. Kind of like consentual sex, as long as you both agree there's no required position.
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How many people in the MA at the time? 200+? Hard to find a 1 vs 1 with those kinda #'s
Try MW or EW. You will find 1vs1 real easy.
MW maybe, but EW rarely.
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oh and Donzo why are you even in this topic? You have yet to even post one useful response.
Oh, I beg to differ. I set Sincraft straight on his miunderstanding:
The server "sees" nothing. All that matters is what you see on your front end...period.
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OK, so you sign up for a dogfighting game and log on only to see hordes of ganger/runners hoping to find a vulch. The moment you find any con even close to a co-alt fight, they dive and fly under a horde of friendlies. So you make a decision, look at the map and find a friendly horde to get in, and do exactly what the other teams are doing to you. Avoid fighting anything that carries even the slightest risk of them getting guns on you, so that you might overwhelm a base and get a vuclh going. Go and land your cherries and vulches and get great amounts of praise on 200 as if you actually did something that took skill.
This is what AH is turning into, everyone checking scores to see who got the most vulch sorties in a row to get the highest fighter score without actually "fighting" anything. Very lame, and not something that people who like the adrenalin of the fight would be interested in. :aok
nothing has changed in the 5 years ive been here, just numbers got bigger... but then as bases have become harder to capture, the hordes have become bigger.... thats the main reason for this "trouble" you guys see. in AHI days, 5 guys could take a base with light defence, now 20+ is needed (by the average AH reconning).
alot of things like this that tried to make it easier to defend things, only made the attacking hordes bigger and bigger...
...personly i find absolutely no issues finding fights, but then maybe its because i play all parts of this game and you furballers are limiting yourself to a very small part of this game??? i dunno.
Just because people dont fight "your way" doesnt mean they aint fighting. This is what i was trying to explain to you last week (and WMlute was also saying it a day earlier on country...)
oh and btw it isnt a "dogfighting game" its a "air combat game". Totally different things in my book.
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I see your point Crockett, This tour I have been flying the P-40 most of the time. It seems people see a P-40 and feel that its an easy kill, I recall one night I had six plane chasing me. But if its so bad why play?
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This game has little to do with Aces or actual fighter combat...
Lets just call the game what it really is..
Toolsheders vs Gangtards
Just toss in some air spawns and and instant power up blinky things and I'm sure that will make the average AHer happy. I just flew that last 2 hours and not a single sortie could I get a 1 on 1 fight. It was either a minimum of 4 vs 1 or nothing. Any chance of a 1 on 1 soon ended by the so called other pilot diving to the deck or running to his buddies.
Of course the toolsheders can't be left out. I mean hell they have a map to play on the size of Texas but what base do they capture? Why of course the one base that provided the only 3 way fight on the map.
I keep taking these short breaks hoping when I come back maybe just maybe something changed... I always end up being disappointed sad to say. One of these days I think I'm just gonna take a break that I don't come back from. There is really little to be desired anymore if you actually enjoy air combat that don't consist of being one of the 6 tards on the noob train chasing the single enemy.
Crockett, how can you be so smart in these areas and so...NOT, in politics :D
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There are plenty of players that live and die by their score. In any scored event that will be the case. But not everyone. Personally I could care less about my score. In a way it is a good thing that I don't care because my fighter score is awful. I am a terrible pilot. But I have some mentors who are doing there best to teach me the right way to fly. Some day I will be good. In the meantime when I see 1 guy getting chased by 4-5 or even 2-3, I stay away. Sure I could maybe steal a kill in a relatively safe situation but where is the sport in it. I look for a lone enemy instead and keep my eye on the former situation in case it is one of you GREAT pilots that ends up waxing their tails.
Point is that there are people out there, old and new, that want to do it the right way. But the way it is done in the MA is not going to change any time soon.
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Sure I could maybe steal a kill in a relatively safe situation but where is the sport in it.
Sig material! :aok
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Well, it is a game, so morality doesn't really come in to it. I see it as kind of silly to be in a horde chasing a lone guy for a 1 in 5 chance of getting the kill on the guy, and I see it as ineffective tactics for all those guys to give up alt and E to horde one target. On the other hand, the opportunity to bust a conga line of fixated chasers off a friendly's six can be most satisfying.
See, for me, the duel is the way to enjoy the chess-game aspect of ACM, usually with someone I like. Whereas, MA fighting IMHO is not usually about the chess game. Like it or not, it is usually about murdering the other guy while watching for stabs to your own back. This to me is fun. Sometimes. In SMALL doses. I have to say...for me, it IS about the killing, the visceral sensation of hunting, fighting, and killing, my mind against theirs, and getting clean away with the dirty deed. Albeit in cyberspace, virtual killing having the distinct advantage of not earning one a prison sentence. To me, the people who use "lame tactics" and never try to learn are simply not developing their full potential to kill often and well. It is all one to me you see, tactics, ACM, and sneaking up on the low six to murder the bandit, all just tools I use so I can have the pleasure of shooting down the other plane more often and more easily. I may shake my head a little at other pilot's refusal to develop their talents, but really, in the long run, the less they learn, the easier it is for me to hunt them.
Where did you see me flying into a hoard? I let the A6M come to me. Sure I could see there were two other cons close by and more way off in the distance but that's sure not flying into a hoard. When I turned into the A6M because he was getting too close, I could see the first ki84 was coming so I expected him to join in. However at that time the P51 which would be the third plane was going at a different direction.
The p51 turned in when I started to engage the A6m. Then next thing you know a 109 or 190 flys in from somewhere else, another Ki84 and a Spitfire. You can also see the 110 that I tried to fight before all this even happened. The one 110 was the plane I tried to fight in the first place but he ran away and dove to the deck.
Where do you see me flying into the hoard? The hoard came to me, which is typical in this game anymore. There is rarely chance to get some good fighting in with out every noob in the sector showing up trying to pick a easy kill.
I flew for several hours yesterday and I managed to get two 1 on 1 fights that didn't end up with 5 noobs trying to jump in. One was a pretty good fight vs a LA7 I was again in the P40 and he had alt, which made it a challenging fight. I give him props (gon4beer) because he actually fought me and didn't try to run away and I killed him. 8) After the fight I felt a little sorry because I AFK cherry picked him the sortie before. :devil
Then in the same sortie I see a P39 (rook) and a spitfire on my side fighting so I hang around the edge of the fight but I let them fight their fight. Which I think is the respectable thing to do. I saw a nikki a little lower so I lose my alt and engage him. Needless to say every pass was a HO and he's spray and praying eventually knocked off both of my elevators so wasn't much of a fight after that. (typical nikki) However a amazing thing happened which is extremely rare.
The very P39 that I didn't go gang, starts to come into my fight with the Nikki, then he turned around and RTBed. So I have to assume either the Nikki called him off or he felt like repaying me for not ganging him. After flying several hours yesterday and ending up being on the losing side of a mini hoard pretty much every sortie I managed to get two 1 vs 1 fights, which ironically happened in the same sortie.
Even though the Nikki was a spray and pay HOtard and he killed me, at least it was a fair fight that didn't end up with 2 or 3 cons flying in trying to pick the easy kill. What I don't get and it's the reason for this topic, is why does it take several hours of flying looking for fights to actually only get two "real" turn fights that don't end up with every noob in the sector jumping in?
Oh and just for the record, BnZing some con or killing them with a quick pass putting your self in no danger isn't what I consider a fight. I know a lot of the people that claim they get lots of 1 on 1 fights do the typical flying in easy mode with alt picking the other con as he climbs up. That to me is not fighting and not what I consider a good 1 on 1 fight.
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I see your point Crockett, This tour I have been flying the P-40 most of the time. It seems people see a P-40 and feel that its an easy kill, I recall one night I had six plane chasing me. But if its so bad why play?
It's not just when flying a P40, it happens in any plane if you look for the types of fight I look for. I could be like the average AH player fly a spit or some cherry pick plane then just fly around with alt getting easy one pass kills. Not really much joy in that IMHO.
Why do I continue to keep trying to find a good fight? I dunno maybe it comes from from me being an adrenaline junkie, I used to get it from the track and auto racingn now I try to get it flying a dumb video game. Getting into a "real" fight with one or two cons in a inferior plane and winning gets the heat pumping and gives yea that little rush and excitement. I don't feel like putting my life at risk jumping out of airplane or racing on the track anymore, so I try to get a little joy out of a video game that used to take some skill to master.
As I said in the post above, yea sure I could easily just up a spitfire or some other uber plane and fly safe landing a bunch of kills every sortie being part of the problem. I choose to look for real fights and it just gets tiring that there are so few of them any more. It wasn't this bad in the past and I know there have been many others on this forum that have complained about the same things. Hell half my squad doesn't even fly anymore because they all see it too.
Things have gone down hill pretty bad over the past year, so posts like this are just an atempt to try and bring back some actual fighting.
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Crockett, how can you be so smart in these areas and so...NOT, in politics :D
Sorry, I find it fun to toss out bacon on a string in the Oclub. :D
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I dug through my films and found the Fight I had with the LA7. I figure it's only fair to show the good as well as the bad. I dodged a lot of HO's in the fight, but honestly HO's don't bug me much. It's very rare that I get suckered with a HO shot, and most are easy to avoid. The only ones that really bug me are Nikki's and Spit8's that HO, simply because they are so easy to spray and pray and can be hard to avoid being those fights tend to end up with a HO every pass and with the 20mm's they only have to get lucky once.
Anyway this is all I expect out of a fight in the MA.
1) I want to other con to actually fight. Don't run soon as you lose the advantage.
2) If you are in no danger from the con I'm fighting stay out of it, same goes for the other team. If I'm not a threat to you then let me fight the con I'm engaged with and I'll fight you if I kill him.
3) Don't be a lame BnZ dweeb.. If you are out numbered then cool, BnZ all you want. If it's a 1 on 1 don't be a lame BnZ dweeb live a little and actually fight. Nothing I hate more than some annoying con that BnZ's you for 5 mins and wont leave you alone but also dosen't have the skills to actually kill you.
So in short this fight qualifies for my simple 3 rules of a good fight. I could care less if I win or if you are a 2 week noob or a vet that kicks my butt. As long as you are actually willing to fight and don't need 3 or 4 buddies to help you, then I think it's a good fight no matter if I win or lose.
http://www.wargamerx.com/temp/p40vsla7.ahf (http://www.wargamerx.com/temp/p40vsla7.ahf)
Also in reality I don't even mind fighting 2 on 1 and some 3 on 1 fights I don't expect a 1 on 1 fight every time I fly a sortie. As long as all the planes are in the mix and actually fighting I don't mind those kinda 2 or 3 vs 1 fights. The problem comes when you are fighting 1 or 2 of them and the third is keeping his alt waiting for the perfect time to cherry pick you. There is zero skill in that.
As long as I have a reasonable chance even if I'm out numbered it's ok. Typically you can turn with 3 cons that are all engaging you, but soon as you have to start dodging cherry pickers it's only a matter of time before one gets a lucky shot. Once you get over 3 cons it's pretty much a lost cause because you just can't track that may of them.
Is that really that much to ask out of the MA's just a simple bit of etiquette?
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Good film crockett. I really like the way you handled the throttle; I would certainly have overshot at one point there and let him get separation to run away. That said, if I were the La-7 pilot I wouldn't have been turning so much, but bnz'ing you death. ;)
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Good film crockett. I really like the way you handled the throttle; I would certainly have overshot at one point there and let him get separation to run away. That said, if I were the La-7 pilot I wouldn't have been turning so much, but bnz'ing you death. ;)
LOL then you would have been a dweeby kind of LA7 pilot. :devil
Na man in all seriousness I fly the LA7's from time to time and they are capable of turn fighting, granted it's not the plane's strongest point but it's capable none the less. The deal is, it's all in the throttle control, most people that fly it, fly full throttle on wep most of the time because they are too busy running. :D
This is a old film I have I didn't catch the whole fight but it's a short rolling sisors turn fight me in a LA7 fighting a Nikki. Then the rest of the film goes on to show why LA's are so dam dweeby. :rofl They are just far too easy to get kills in.
http://www.wargamerx.com/temp/La7-4kills.ahf
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Seems like to me they need to make a Arena or they may have one tailored to what you are looking for. Last I knew this game was won by base taking, not 1 Vs 1 fights. The funny thing I see on 200 is when folks complain about being ganged WHEN They are attacking a base. You have to expect this to happen WHEN YOU fly to an enemy base. As for BnZ and Turnfighting, I let the plane I am flying at the time Dictate the way I am goin to fly. If I am in my Typhy I will pick you, if I am in a turner I will turn fight you, but make no mistake if I am in typhy an you in a Nik or spit I am not gonna turnfight you, that is not flying to the advantage of the plane. Not because I am scared of ya but not playing to your advantage. If I see a country man in trouble I ASK if he needs help before I engage. If he says he needs help I will help him. You gonna have Hordes on every side nothing you can do but up an fight...Kill or Die!
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I got into a great 1 on 1 last night and was thrilled by it. I let him off the hook on a few deflection shots I had on him cause I wanted the whole thing to play out and wanted a clean kill after working onto his 6.
So then another rook dives in and kills him. I wasnt angry cause its the MA and far worse is likely to happen.
I think the entire rank system is to blame for much of the gamey play and fighting.
The running, the vulching, the hording, the gangbanging, bombing meaningless targets from 30,000' at 0300 hrs, the spawn camping. All of this caused by the rank system. I shot a guy down the other day,a highly ranked guy, and the only time I ever see him is when they have a cap on a base and he happily spawn camps away with a 10 to 1 advantage. I dont even bother much with GV'ing anymore cause Im sick of people sitting on the spawn.
I bet getting rid of the rank system would make the game better.
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I'm a slow learner so, I'm liking some aspects of the game.
Let's face it, the prediction code / collision code needs work. As it stands, you can spray someone with a nanosecond burst and BOOM...and other times, same planes you can spray with cannon rounds (YOU THINK you are hitting them) and nothing happens. What YOU see and what the server sees is totally different.
Your only saving grace in this part of your post is that you admit that you are a "slow learner".
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Last I knew this game was won by base taking, not 1 Vs 1 fights.
Tell me ... what does one exactly win ? ... 25 perks per category ? ... :rolleyes:
This is an "Air Combat" simulation game ... anything outside of the actual aircraft in this game ... is there to promote "Air Combat".
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MW maybe, but EW rarely.
Not sure what hrs you fly but 7-10PST in MW during the week is great. Low #'s, (35-40) but great fights
Weekends seem to be okanytime except early AM PST hours.
IN EW you have to look at roster to see what your gonna get. If the SOARS are on its gonna be land grab GV style with an occasional air battle.
Really need more people to check out MW and EW.
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Uh...I didn't say I saw YOU in a gang horde...you asked me what I thought about such behavior generally, I just telling you.
As for the rest...that is the MA, it is a melee and melee dynamics will rule. There is always the inherent risk (or perhaps it is a certainty) that anchoring yourself to a maneuvering fight with bandit A will lead to bandits B, C, D, E, F, and G gang-raping you.
No offense, but you seem like a hard man to please. You said you don't like the formal duelling...which is fine, it is all a matter of taste. Yet you seem to want the MA to function more like the DA. You obviously don't like being gang-horded, no one does, yet you have contempt for the bnz/energy tactics and the prudence in engaging that are rational responses to the unpredictable and chaotic multi-bandit nature of the MA combat. I may cuss the conditions sometimes, but in some ways, they are a good thing for demonstrating why certain planes and tactics were developed. For instance, for co-alt co-E duels, the Fw-190 D9 is almost useless compared to the Spitfire. Yet for slashing through large enemy formations in the MA without getting cornered and ganged to death, its value as a combat aircraft is revealed. I've said it once and I'll say it again: Historically, prop fighters evolved from light maneuverable kites into increasingly fast, but heavy, bricks. This is because using energy tactics whenever possible proved to be a higher percentage way of killing without being killed than engaging in the old Luftberry type tactics. Being bitter over what works and what doesn't due to the dynamics of simulated air melees is a bit like being bitter over having to deal with gravity or other facts of life.
BTW, IMHO, this is a combat flight simulation, of which "duels" in the sky are a fine part, but not the only part. While I don't personally believe in being the fourth or fifth guy chasing a lone bandit, I see "drag and bag" tactics as being perfectly valid. I think it is an all-right thing, nay, a good thing, to simulate the other 80% of air kills...you know, the ones where the victim never saw his attacker coming. Anyway, my enemy check6 key doesn't seem to work.
Where did you see me flying into a hoard? I let the A6M come to me. Sure I could see there were two other cons close by and more way off in the distance but that's sure not flying into a hoard. When I turned into the A6M because he was getting too close, I could see the first ki84 was coming so I expected him to join in. However at that time the P51 which would be the third plane was going at a different direction.
The p51 turned in when I started to engage the A6m. Then next thing you know a 109 or 190 flys in from somewhere else, another Ki84 and a Spitfire. You can also see the 110 that I tried to fight before all this even happened. The one 110 was the plane I tried to fight in the first place but he ran away and dove to the deck.
Where do you see me flying into the hoard? The hoard came to me, which is typical in this game anymore. There is rarely chance to get some good fighting in with out every noob in the sector showing up trying to pick a easy kill.
I flew for several hours yesterday and I managed to get two 1 on 1 fights that didn't end up with 5 noobs trying to jump in. One was a pretty good fight vs a LA7 I was again in the P40 and he had alt, which made it a challenging fight. I give him props (gon4beer) because he actually fought me and didn't try to run away and I killed him. 8) After the fight I felt a little sorry because I AFK cherry picked him the sortie before. :devil
Then in the same sortie I see a P39 (rook) and a spitfire on my side fighting so I hang around the edge of the fight but I let them fight their fight. Which I think is the respectable thing to do. I saw a nikki a little lower so I lose my alt and engage him. Needless to say every pass was a HO and he's spray and praying eventually knocked off both of my elevators so wasn't much of a fight after that. (typical nikki) However a amazing thing happened which is extremely rare.
The very P39 that I didn't go gang, starts to come into my fight with the Nikki, then he turned around and RTBed. So I have to assume either the Nikki called him off or he felt like repaying me for not ganging him. After flying several hours yesterday and ending up being on the losing side of a mini hoard pretty much every sortie I managed to get two 1 vs 1 fights, which ironically happened in the same sortie.
Even though the Nikki was a spray and pay HOtard and he killed me, at least it was a fair fight that didn't end up with 2 or 3 cons flying in trying to pick the easy kill. What I don't get and it's the reason for this topic, is why does it take several hours of flying looking for fights to actually only get two "real" turn fights that don't end up with every noob in the sector jumping in?
Oh and just for the record, BnZing some con or killing them with a quick pass putting your self in no danger isn't what I consider a fight. I know a lot of the people that claim they get lots of 1 on 1 fights do the typical flying in easy mode with alt picking the other con as he climbs up. That to me is not fighting and not what I consider a good 1 on 1 fight.
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CHOOOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOOOO! ALL ABOARD!!!!!!!!!!
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Uh...I didn't say I saw YOU in a gang horde...you asked me what I thought about such behavior generally, I just telling you.
As for the rest...that is the MA, it is a melee and melee dynamics will rule. There is always the inherent risk (or perhaps it is a certainty) that anchoring yourself to a maneuvering fight with bandit A will lead to bandits B, C, D, E, F, and G gang-raping you.
No offense, but you seem like a hard man to please. You said you don't like the formal duelling...which is fine, it is all a matter of taste. Yet you seem to want the MA to function more like the DA. You obviously don't like being gang-horded, no one does, yet you have contempt for the bnz/energy tactics and the prudence in engaging that are rational responses to the unpredictable and chaotic multi-bandit nature of the MA combat. I may cuss the conditions sometimes, but in some ways, they are a good thing for demonstrating why certain planes and tactics were developed. For instance, for co-alt co-E duels, the Fw-190 D9 is almost useless compared to the Spitfire. Yet for slashing through large enemy formations in the MA without getting cornered and ganged to death, its value as a combat aircraft is revealed. I've said it once and I'll say it again: Historically, prop fighters evolved from light maneuverable kites into increasingly fast, but heavy, bricks. This is because using energy tactics whenever possible proved to be a higher percentage way of killing without being killed than engaging in the old Luftberry type tactics. Being bitter over what works and what doesn't due to the dynamics of simulated air melees is a bit like being bitter over having to deal with gravity or other facts of life.
BTW, IMHO, this is a combat flight simulation, of which "duels" in the sky are a fine part, but not the only part. While I don't personally believe in being the fourth or fifth guy chasing a lone bandit, I see "drag and bag" tactics as being perfectly valid. I think it is an all-right thing, nay, a good thing, to simulate the other 80% of air kills...you know, the ones where the victim never saw his attacker coming. Anyway, my enemy check6 key doesn't seem to work.
I understand your points, but this game isn't like real war. The axis were up there in the air to shoot down the allies at any cost. The allies were up there to also shoot down the axis at any cost. They weren't in the air to run from an engagement, they were there to shoot down the other aircraft to help win the war.
Granted in real life it was typically a squadron running into a squadron but they damn sure didn't have all the pilots jumping on a single con they might have come across.
In this game half the players run from any sort of fight they don't have an advantage in. It's either run away and try to come back and pick soon as the con gets busy fighting someone else or run to your buddies so you can gangbang. In real life the pilots didn't have little radars and icons that they could easily find a buddy to help them.
Granted there were many pilots who dove to the deck in real life once they were in trouble, but they were also risking their very real lives. Unlike in this game the most that is at risk is a few perk points. So trying to compare fighting styles in this game to real life, is like trying to compare apples to oranges IMHO.
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If this game was anything near like real life maybe 1% would play it. No towers to end up in nor reupping at the near base. Just a flag over your casket. No 200 to whine on and no wtg's on kills in lights. So lets not compare this game to anything in real life. It is nothing but a game.
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It used to be that if a guy came upon a fight, he'd circle just outside of it and wait his turn. Guarding the fight, no matter the outcome of his countrymate below. Whether it was in the middle of the pond, or right off of his field. Even AFK guys would get a break. Saddle up on their six and wait until he comes back to shoot him as he panics and rolls around. :lol
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ok let's all just listen to one person and make sure we all play the game his way, this will solve all future problems.
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If this game was anything near like real life maybe 1% would play it. No towers to end up in nor reupping at the near base. Just a flag over your casket. No 200 to whine on and no wtg's on kills in lights. So lets not compare this game to anything in real life. It is nothing but a game.
:pray
Amen
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It used to be that if a guy came upon a fight, he'd circle just outside of it and wait his turn. Guarding the fight, no matter the outcome of his countrymate below. Whether it was in the middle of the pond, or right off of his field. Even AFK guys would get a break. Saddle up on their six and wait until he comes back to shoot him as he panics and rolls around. :lol
Hehe, my personal favorite, is fly up right beside them or buzz past them and see how long it takes before they realise I'm a bad guy.
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Even AFK guys would get a break. Saddle up on their six and wait until he comes back to shoot him as he panics and rolls around. :lol
:O You did this to me the other week :lol
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"Get me in a fight I like the dirty tricks" dire straights , "heavy fuel".. The aussies are responsible for all that is not holy in the MA!!! pffffft, its a game. :rock
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Crockett, if you're really looking for good one on one fights in LW MAs, don't go near furballs. Search the map for likely spots where just one or two bandits are. If there aren't any, create that kind of situation yourself.... up somewhere lonely and head for an undefended field. With luck you'll get just one or two upping to fight you. There are likeminded players around looking for 1v1s as well.
Other than that, MW.
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It used to be that if a guy came upon a fight, he'd circle just outside of it and wait his turn. Guarding the fight, no matter the outcome of his countrymate below. Whether it was in the middle of the pond, or right off of his field. Even AFK guys would get a break. Saddle up on their six and wait until he comes back to shoot him as he panics and rolls around. :lol
I did the 'mig insulter' move from Top Gun on a guy the other day in lake, was a hoot. Guy looks up, and an inverted P47 is mere feet above his Ki.....he didnt appreciate the humor....typical
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Crockett, if you're really looking for good one on one fights in LW MAs, don't go near furballs. Search the map for likely spots where just one or two bandits are. If there aren't any, create that kind of situation yourself.... up somewhere lonely and head for an undefended field. With luck you'll get just one or two upping to fight you. There are likeminded players around looking for 1v1s as well.
Other than that, MW.
I do that already, I will very rarely be spotted in a furball. I go out of my way to fly away from green guys just to make sure they don't pick my kills. I do everything possible to look for 1 on 1 or even 2 on 1 fights. Problem is most of the time, the cons I do run into tend to be the ones that don't want to fight. I'm apparently bothering them on their way to go kill radars or ords.. ect..ect.
I've tried MW and EW in the past as well but seems to be filled with milk runners, that and my squad flys in the MA's.
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This game has little to do with Aces or actual fighter combat...
Lets just call the game what it really is..
Toolsheders vs Gangtards
Just toss in some air spawns and and instant power up blinky things and I'm sure that will make the average AHer happy. I just flew that last 2 hours and not a single sortie could I get a 1 on 1 fight. It was either a minimum of 4 vs 1 or nothing. Any chance of a 1 on 1 soon ended by the so called other pilot diving to the deck or running to his buddies.
Of course the toolsheders can't be left out. I mean hell they have a map to play on the size of Texas but what base do they capture? Why of course the one base that provided the only 3 way fight on the map.
I keep taking these short breaks hoping when I come back maybe just maybe something changed... I always end up being disappointed sad to say. One of these days I think I'm just gonna take a break that I don't come back from. There is really little to be desired anymore if you actually enjoy air combat that don't consist of being one of the 6 tards on the noob train chasing the single enemy.
you know whats sad...this is true
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This subject is sooooooooooooooooooooo very hold and tired. :rolleyes:
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It used to be that if a guy came upon a fight, he'd circle just outside of it and wait his turn. Guarding the fight, no matter the outcome of his countrymate below. Whether it was in the middle of the pond, or right off of his field. Even AFK guys would get a break. Saddle up on their six and wait until he comes back to shoot him as he panics and rolls around. :lol
I still do that
ill stay out till the guy says come on, on 200
i try to show respect for 1 v1s
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I got a good solution to the ppl getting ganged GET A WINGMAN!!!!! it works great. Yes you will still get ganged but you would be surprised what you could do with a wingman.
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I got a good solution to the ppl getting ganged GET A WINGMAN!!!!! it works great. Yes you will still get ganged but you would be surprised what you could do with a wingman.
No way. Having a wingman is unmanly because then you can't fight 1vs1. :noid
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If 1 on 1 is all there is to a dogfight, why even bother making it a MMOG :rofl
Just accept the fact that different people find the fun and excitement in different aspects of the game. Try to have fun on your own terms without trying to force others to change their style. It is pretty obvious you find BnZ lame if you choose to fly EW planes. They usually out turn late war rides. It is only natural to fly each plane according to their streghts. Would you really try to turnfight a Zeke in a Typhoon yourself???? :rolleyes:
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You keep putting it like "1:1" means "one player vs one player", as opposed to more or less even odds, whatever the numbers.
Would you really try to turnfight a Zeke in a Typhoon yourself???? :rolleyes:
More often than you think, and it's not just me.
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I got a good solution to the ppl getting ganged GET A WINGMAN!!!!! it works great. Yes you will still get ganged but you would be surprised what you could do with a wingman.
Wingmen can be an asset or detrimental depending upon whether they have any skill. I flew with a squad that had some good sticks, some average sticks and some who were and will forever be, helpless. I spent far too much time clearing sixes of the clueless, till I decided not to bother anymore. We had one guy with a 0.07/1 K/D over several tours. Nice guy, but didn't grasp the basic concepts needed to be even slightly successful. He would dive into every horde and be dead in 30 seconds. He was the only player I ever saw who would dive in to strafe a hanger and miss. If I had to pick a winner in a duel between him and Stevie Wonder, I'd put my money on Stevie.
By the way, a wingman is no guarantee that you not will be ganged by a mob. Circumstances must be understood as well.
All of that said, I generally fly alone. I'm usually outnumbered and sometimes get ganged. That's the price I pay when I head to the nearest base being assailed by a horde (aircraft, GVs or both).
My regards,
Widewing
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Why's everyone so desperate for one on ones?
They're often the only fair fights you can get. It directly shows your skill as a pilot, and your enemy's skill with no other variables besides the conditions you're flying in.
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You left out whiners.
And squeakers.
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If 1 on 1 is all there is to a dogfight, why even bother making it a MMOG :rofl
Just accept the fact that different people find the fun and excitement in different aspects of the game. Try to have fun on your own terms without trying to force others to change their style. It is pretty obvious you find BnZ lame if you choose to fly EW planes. They usually out turn late war rides. It is only natural to fly each plane according to their streghts. Would you really try to turnfight a Zeke in a Typhoon yourself???? :rolleyes:
So it's not ok for people who want to actually dog fight to force their rules on to you.. Yet it's ok for the gangtards and hoard monkeys to force their way into my fight? That's pretty much what you are saying. Why is it ok for one group but not the other?
Why is it my fun is always ruined by the gangtards that want to have their fun? I mean really back to the entire point of this topic. Why is it, if there is already 2 or 3 countrymen fighting a lone con, that 2 or 3 more always feel the need to jump in and be even bigger retards?
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up plane
engage 7k con
chase7kcon after blown merge
dodge 5 ho attempts
reverse on 5 gangerz
get shot in donut by original con
shoot down 3 tards while your engine is smoking
get called spitard cuz you dared to fly a spit against 6 planes solo
thats pretty much every sorty, just try to realize its gonna happen and say oh well and have some fun with it
hate to say it but most players have huge egos and do not like to get shot, myself included, i may whine about it but at least I try and fly like i got a pair...that is all
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quit crying Jaxxo! u have yet flyin through a fighter hanger !
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So it's not ok for people who want to actually dog fight to force their rules on to you.. Yet it's ok for the gangtards and hoard monkeys to force their way into my fight? That's pretty much what you are saying. Why is it ok for one group but not the other?
Why is it my fun is always ruined by the gangtards that want to have their fun? I mean really back to the entire point of this topic. Why is it, if there is already 2 or 3 countrymen fighting a lone con, that 2 or 3 more always feel the need to jump in and be even bigger retards?
You could just as well try claiming that your fun is being able to fly C-47 to enemy HQ and back. No-one should engage you because that would be ruining your fun, right? There are limits what you can dream of and where.
However, you could do the C-47 flight offline. Just the same you CAN have your 1-on-1:s at DA. You just make it happen!
If you go to MA, there are limits to what you can do. There you have to adjust or create the opportunities for your own fun, but never expect others to do what you would do yourself.
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You could just as well try claiming that your fun is being able to fly C-47 to enemy HQ and back. No-one should engage you because that would be ruining your fun, right? There are limits what you can dream of and where.
However, you could do the C-47 flight offline. Just the same you CAN have your 1-on-1:s at DA. You just make it happen!
If you go to MA, there are limits to what you can do. There you have to adjust or create the opportunities for your own fun, but never expect others to do what you would do yourself.
Yes I know that I was being a smart ass. It just wasn't always this bad, it seems to keep getting worse and worse as time goes on. Why should we have to keep adjusting to worse and worse game play, rather than try to do something about it?
It just takes some of the bigger squads to start being vocal to their own squaddies about leaving fights alone or at the very least making sure to ask the green guy if he wants help before diving in trying to steal the kill he's worked for.
I don't think anyone expects a 1 on 1 in the middle of a furball but then again do we really need 4 or 5 guys chasing one con? It's pretty freaking retarded and shows the skill-set of the average AHer these days. I will say sometimes it can be fun and it's quite challenging to fight out numbered but what goes on in the MA pretty much limits the fights and doesn't really teach new players how to fight for themselves.
In the MA these days it's degraded to hoard vs hoard with not much of anything else.
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We had one guy with a 0.07/1 K/D over several tours. Nice guy, but didn't grasp the basic concepts needed to be even slightly successful. He would dive into every horde and be dead in 30 seconds. He was the only player I ever saw who would dive in to strafe a hanger and miss. If I had to pick a winner in a duel between him and Stevie Wonder, I'd put my money on Stevie.
Hey! I was never in your squad!
- oldman
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The server "sees" nothing. All that matters is what you see on your front end...period.
I agree. His terminology or understanding was wrong. Since you know so match though, please explain to me how I can empty my ammo load on someone from D200 and not even get him to smoke, period?
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I agree. His terminology or understanding was wrong. Since you know so match though, please explain to me how I can empty my ammo load on someone from D200 and not even get him to smoke, period?
I'm afraid we have to see the film for explanation.
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Theres a DA right? Is there a DA rule to only allow 1 on 1 fights? If not there should be. Last time i checked the DA I saw that some bone head attack Dars in there. Now who in their right mind would attack a Dar in a dueling arena? :huh
The only answer to all this gamey play is to get rid of the rank system, at least in the MAs. Keep one in the DA if guys want to pit their skills against each other, which is cool.
I know there are some guys so good at this game that "most" of their high ranks are attributed to skill. But even these few have to fly and fight a certain way to game the game and stay ahead of the pack doing the same thing. And you aren't going to do it by diving P-38s into the ack of a large airfield to take out ords with rockets, with red all around you.
Even better have contests where rank can be assigned in the DA with 1 on 1s at co-alt. Seeing these tops guys fight each other 1 on 1 would make for great training material. CV control can be dished out by seniority in the game.
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I'm afraid we have to see the film for explanation.
All you will see is his plane covered with hit sprites. How is that going to explain anything? Am not talking about BBs foo :rofl.
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All you will see is his plane covered with hit sprites. How is that going to explain anything? Am not talking about BBs foo :rofl.
Impossible to judge anything in such a situation without seeing it.
Hit sprites can be anywhere.. talk is cheap, films are telling. I usually only believe what I see on film, not what someone thinks to have seen during combat.
You can think you are hitting him good, while a film may reveal something different. I learned that the hard way by watching my own mistakes, err, films ;)
This game is full of claims like "you couldn't catch me, i was at 500mph", "no way you could hit me from there", "I put 200 bullets in your plane".
Amazing how often a film can prove that the perceptions are just plain wrong.
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Impossible to judge anything in such a situation without seeing it.
Hit sprites can be anywhere.. talk is cheap, films are telling. I usually only believe what I see on film, not what someone thinks to have seen during combat.
You can think you are hitting him good, while a film may reveal something different. I learned that the hard way. ;)
This game is full of claims like "you couldn't catch me, i was at 500mph", "no way you could hit me from there", "I put 200 bullets in your plane".
Amazing how often a film can prove that the perceptions are just plain wrong.
Well, I am new at this so I could be wrong I guess :rolleyes: So, really what you are saying is that you are not looking for an explanation other than I did not hit him right? If you are, assume I did and explain why nothing happened. I know everything is perfect and the players are wrong but have you ever been in the DA when it is porked? That is when you can unload on people but bullets have no effect? Known bug and they fix it by reseting the arena. So, if it is only your FE that matters, how come everyones FE breaks at the same time and an arena reset fixes it? Just saying, film or no film, Lusche believes or Lusche does not believe dos not change the fact that it happens.
In any case, I did not ask you but at list you took the time to answer. I'd like the "period" expert to explain also. :rofl
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So, really what you are saying is that you are not looking for an explanation other than I did not hit him right?
No, I'm not.
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If I was convinced of that, I would not have said "we need film". I would just have said: "You suck!" :D
I'm just using Occam's Razor: Use the most plausible explanation. If someone says: "I pumped him full of bullets but did no damage" the most probable explanation (from my experience) is: It's not the way the player thinks it was.
But again, as I can rule out nothing, I would need to see the film of that incident. I like to base my judgement on facts :)
BTW:
I am new at this so I could be wrong I guess
Just because someone is playing this for a long time it doesn't mean he can't err.
Acutally I regulary see guys playng this for many, many years telling the same wrong crap about collisions again and again ;)
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Lusche, I believe that you English is improving more and more each day, regardless of what you say. :aok
I also, am inclined to believe film. There are too many variables involved in an online sim to believe what I see, even as it's happening. There are plenty of times I swore "X" happened and when I watched film, it was actually the complete opposite.
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Lusche, I believe that you English is improving more and more each day, regardless of what you say. :aok
I'm not completely sure if that's a compliment or... ;)
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Acutally I regulary see guys playng this for many, many years telling the same wrong crap about collisions again and again ;)
Bastige :lol
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the most probable explanation (from my experience) is:
A software bug? :lol
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I just found this topic during a search and wanted to share my Sergeant Major's thoughts on it: Combat is a Team Sport. One on One combat means you have made a mistake, or that you are in the DA, which has been placed there for just that reason. I will ALWAYS dive in to help a country or squad mate that is in trouble.
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=D let people enjoy the game the way they want. I enjoy 1 on 1, or sometime bnz or soemtime getting gang bang or doing the gang bang. Totally up to the mood of the day.
Sometime taking off at a capped by and defend it is really fun, and sometime vulching a capped base is really fun too. So who care! just go w/ the mood of the game. If you want 1 v 1 I suggest look for place on the map where's it's not a full red dar bar (duh), i found a lot of 1 v 1 that way when I want to do 1 v 1. If I wanna do 1 v multiple I'd go to where the full red dar bar is (duh). If I wanna join a vulch fest, I'd just go where the full green dar bar is (duh). So why are you complaining, when you could control the game play yourself? think much ?
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Wow...I ahven't seen this much crying since my wife saw me naked on our wedding night.
I guess we all need to ask permission before diving in to help out fellow countryman/squaddie................that would solve the problem
oh, and we should probably stop taking bases and only fly the way the furballers want. It's kinda like the fighter pilot mafia which pretty much ran the USAF until recently, and only saw things from thier view.
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How about those Texans :)
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well mid war isn't the answer anymore either was in there last nite. there was between 30 to 40 players on and when you looked at the map you see 2 or 3 small dar bars up then when you check the map there's just about no one in the tower and you see all these kills landed in gv's and the bases are being taking so i lefted to check out LW could'nt stay there my frame rate went down below 10 so went to dueling arena that ok for awhile. went back to mid and there was about 60 on now thought that was cool but turned into a LW ho athon and gangathon
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Holy necro-bump Batman!
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lol I was in MW for a bit and landed 15 kills in a panzer. I was just sitting on the edge of our gv base and they kept coming.
Went to LW to fly with my Squad.
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I'm a slow learner so, I'm liking some aspects of the game.
Let's face it, the prediction code / collision code needs work. As it stands, you can spray someone with a nanosecond burst and BOOM...and other times, same planes you can spray with cannon rounds (YOU THINK you are hitting them) and nothing happens. What YOU see and what the server sees is totally different.
Thus, 1v1 is still always going to be unbalanced. So you have to take the game as a whole.
If it's 1v1's you want you have three options.
1. dueling server
2. fly HIGH over a contested town and look for that 1v1, you will probably find it at around 15-20k...but have a buddy 5k behind you in case HIS buddy 5k behind him decides to jump in.
3. LOOK for it. You can't just spawn and expect 1v1's. They didn't happen in real life that often you know? I like to look around the towns where the numbers are equal and the battle is in between bases. I usually fly away from the middle of the line a bit, and usually that's where you will meet up with someone else trying to sneak in for bomb drops. Happens to me all the time. I have to drop my bombs/rockets and duke it out. Unfortunately however there usually is another guy with him or behind him. There is much to be learned with a 1 vs 2 (you being the 1). For me it usually ends in being sixed and not being able to shake them. Although I did this inverted loop with my mosquito the other night and was amazed to see the aircraft that was on my six was now flying low RIGHT below me. I upped the wep, knifed over and sixed him. :) 1 down 1 to go. The other guy in a p50run took off. Yay.
S
:uhoh
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See Rule #10 folks.