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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SkyRock on June 11, 2008, 04:30:16 PM
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1st post to say shade!1111111 :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid
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He didn't say 18% hit percentage on what though....might be the hanger wall for all we know.
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He didn't say 18% hit percentage on what though....might be the hanger wall for all we know.
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Yeah, but give the man his due. Maybe he did it with one eye closed. :D
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OK, and this is suppose to mean what to us?
I don't get it, who cares?
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Strafe a bomber and sit on the rearm for the other 23 hours and 50 minutes....
Strip
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Now I really doubt the Skyrock would post anything of an dishonest ratio as it could be checked by one and all . If hes feeling good about it so be it , we all have the right to feel like a ruttin buck when a feat of greatness has been accomplished . < S > to ya Rock and enjoy .
Nutte
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well just hunt for me and your hit % is bound to improve. :lol :cry
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Imagine, if you will, a pair of handcuffs.......plastic ties....a leather whip and an elongated device that makes a vibrating sound :huh
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Imagine, if you will, a pair of handcuffs.......plastic ties....a leather whip and an elongated device that makes a vibrating sound :huh
:rofl
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what would a cell phone have to do with anything? :)
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Strafe a bomber and sit on the rearm for the other 23 hours and 50 minutes....
Strip
112 sorties 18%
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wait........
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only guy that fits that is snailman and he is lusche.
and yea he probably is whacking bombers looks like 130 + big bomber kills.
I suggest you spend less time caring about scores SR!!
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only guy that fits that is snailman and he is lusche.
and yea he probably is whacking bombers looks like 130 + big bomber kills.
I suggest you spend less time caring about scores SR!!
[/quoteI suggest someone look into his bomber kills! SR<---no likey dweebs. I find it hard to believe that a guy hits 18% after 112 sorties, unless he magically knows exactly where bombers are going............ :rolleyes:] It take a tremendous amount of good guessing to keep 18% up that long. Just saying.......besides Bruv, why do you care to post in my thread? You have a beef with me? Maybe we just go the DA and settle your issue. I will not post film of me owning you after were done.....ok :aok
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Buff hunter. I started the camp with 3 buff kills at 28%.
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112 sorties over 24 hours of play?
Thats only roughly 13 minutes per sortie...
You have ADD or something?
Strip
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112 sorties over 24 hours of play?
Thats only roughly 13 minutes per sortie...
You have ADD or something?
Strip
If it's someone like Lusche (or whoever it is) who likes to hunt buffs in a 262 it's easy enough to pop around the map looking for mid to low incomers, up, blow em away then land. He must have actually had to fly or climb to get up to 13 minutes per sortie. Really, there's no mystery here.
I haven't checked but I'd say half my kills are buffs and I'm running in the 12%'s.
[EDIT] OK, I checked... 50 of 118.
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dam lost what i typed it went something like this,
1) i'll post in any thread i feel like,
2) i have no beef with the almighty SR,
3) buffs can be very predictable, this one time in band camp 2 bish noobs were attempting to sink a CV quite a way from their base. They upped ki-67's and didnt even fire at me. I killed them 3 times over in a corsair and in one run my hit % went through the roof. Capping a CV is one way of finding bombers, the other is seeing where an attack is coming from and intercepting them before they get to target.
Your initial post seemed to bring into question another players skills and you thought it was a shade. Unless you knew it was Lusche already and you wanted to stir something up?
I'm sure he will be along shortly to explain to you exactly how he can maintain such a high hit %. I'm surprised someone who knows the game aswell as you do are falling into the "how did he do that" category. Nothing is impossible.
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Sorry is someone boasting here that they kept a 18% hit rate for 24 hours?? :lol
<S>...-Gixer
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gixxer I think SR was questioning snailman of some sort of dweebery relating to his current hit%.
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112 sorties 18%
You said the check would clear this time :mad:
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Really I've seen much worse. My personal favourite is the way score wh*res rack up a few sorties under Fighter in their favourite perk ride at tour start for the lowest Fighter score possible, and/or fly nothing but perk rides every tour. There after the majority % of their sorties are Attack.
This single statistic is common amongst all the score wh*res and makes them stand out as the noobs that they are. That plus 1v1 they are generally some of the easiest kills in the game even in their favourite perk ride.
Of course every single one of them will state "I don't score" :rofl
<S>...-Gixer
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double post..
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gixer this isnt about score whoring lets not distract from the case at hand.
SR is on a mission to find out whether this statistic is above board or he wouldnt have posted about it (killing 2nd account/spying etc). Lets say he is the self appointed judge of all dweebery, Personally I think it is achievable. A player who can read the map well, the dar bars etc could locate bombers all day long. Usually they would get caught out by a decent gunner or a lack of targets I bet snailman didnt have this problem and should be complemented on his kills.
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Yes but 18% is nothing for someone out to game stats/score.
<S>...-Gixer
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agreed.
I reckon i could top that easily If I gamed fighter mode like a pro.
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Wetrat used to average 25-30% all tour long, fighters A2A.
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easiest way to rack % is to use a tater gun imo.
If someone gets 20%+ with US fighters, respect :salute
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easiest way to rack % is to use a tater gun imo.
If someone gets 20%+ with US fighters, respect :salute
Really? Now I might be wrong as I've never bothered to learn the stat/score system but I always thought this shows where the stat for hit % gets screwed up badly. Now All BS aside and only looking at pure A to A against fighters my impression was this..
With the 37mm, I fire a much smaller volume of rounds at each target, a fighter say on average 5 rounds where 1 hit will kill anything up to Buff size targets instantly. 50cals I could fire 100 rounds or more hit with most and end up with a higher number of hits per kill % compared to the 37mm as I'm firing and hitting with a greater number of rounds to get the kill.
The stat isn't hit/miss it's hit/kill so the 50cal is always going to come out higher since you need a higher volume of rounds to get the job done. If I used the single MG with the 37mm my % would go up. As it stands I never use it, only the 37mm.
<S>...-Gixer
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Don't get it. What's the point. Also, I'm under the weather and more dull than my usual dullness.
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Oh my......so impressive, may I have a photo with autograph? Got a free place on my desk to be filled :D
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Really I've seen much worse. My personal favourite is the way score wh*res rack up a few sorties under Fighter in their favourite perk ride at tour start for the lowest Fighter score possible, and/or fly nothing but perk rides every tour. There after the majority % of their sorties are Attack.
This single statistic is common amongst all the score wh*res and makes them stand out as the noobs that they are. That plus 1v1 they are generally some of the easiest kills in the game even in their favourite perk ride
Wrong (about everybody). So far this camp for me:
Overall rank: 3
Fighter sorties: 53
Fighter Time: 14:54
Attack Sorties: 7
Attack Time: 1:28
As to your later contention you are right in that hit% will go up with smaller rounds (as long as they are hitting). Spraying buffs with .303's at convergence can give your hit% a big boost.
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Really? Now I might be wrong as I've never bothered to learn the stat/score system but I always thought this shows where the stat for hit % gets screwed up badly. Now All BS aside and only looking at pure A to A against fighters my impression was this..
With the 37mm, I fire a much smaller volume of rounds at each target, a fighter say on average 5 rounds where 1 hit will kill anything up to Buff size targets instantly. 50cals I could fire 100 rounds or more hit with most and end up with a higher number of hits per kill % compared to the 37mm as I'm firing and hitting with a greater number of rounds to get the kill.
The stat isn't hit/miss it's hit/kill so the 50cal is always going to come out higher since you need a higher volume of rounds to get the job done. If I used the single MG with the 37mm my % would go up. As it stands I never use it, only the 37mm.
<S>...-Gixer
That's always been the way I thought it was.
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And??? :confused:
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Wrong (about everybody). So far this camp for me:
Overall rank: 3
Fighter sorties: 53
Fighter Time: 14:54
Attack Sorties: 7
Attack Time: 1:28
Well not a perk ride by name but as close to it as you can get. But it's your $15
Spitfire Mk XVI 21 31 0 0 0 52
<S>...-Gixer
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The stat isn't hit/miss it's hit/kill so the 50cal is always going to come out higher since you need a higher volume of rounds to get the job done. If I used the single MG with the 37mm my % would go up. As it stands I never use it, only the 37mm.
I think its a hit/miss %. I looked at greebo's score for the example as he only flies F6F. He has a hit % of 10 and I don't think he uses only 10 bullets to kill a guy. If it was a hit/kill stats hurri1 pilots would have a score over 100, and I never saw that.
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Well not a perk ride by name but as close to it as you can get. But it's your $15
Spitfire Mk XVI 21 31 0 0 0 52
<S>...-Gixer
My point was I'm not hiding behind my attack score as you contend "all" score-potatos do. I'll fly what I like, which, BTW is a lot more planes than you've flown so far this camp.
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My point was I'm not hiding behind my attack score as you contend "all" score-potatos do. I'll fly what I like, which, BTW is a lot more planes than you've flown so far this camp.
My point was regarding the perk rides, and if you look across overall most score wh*res stats use the attack score pad.
So the better pilot flys more variety of low eny planes, then someone who is disciplined enough to fly just a single high eny fighter each tour? C'mon even the newbies can see past that one. :lol
I've done my time when I first started trying everything under the sun, settled for the Pony B before I had my break of a couple years and now last six months I've stayed with the Yak which I will be sticking with and in particular the Yak-9T. Simply because it's even more rewarding to get kills in then the U.
<S>...-Gixer
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Personally I think it is achievable.
there are ways it's achievable:
1. only upping to vulched fields, and/or
2. "knowing" where all the buffs are....for 112 sorties in a row..........and/or
3. only cherry picking
#'s 1 and 3 have been attempted many times by many players, and #2 has been tried by a few.
I agree that wetrat had a phenominal hit% and he did actually get in the trenches and fight, but I don't think this cat is wetrat. :aok
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So hunting buffs is now considered "gaming the game"?
And I flying under 30 mins per sortie is questionable? Guess flying mainly in base defense is also gamey... sheesh.
I have always hunted buffs in this game. They don't appear randomly. Take a hard fought own base, an enemy field at 5k one or even better 2 sectors away and you will see more buffs that you can shoot down during a single sortie. Or fly high alt cap over your CV. Or just watch for slow moving darbar's appearing 2 sectors behind the frontline.
Honestly, anybody not able to find bombers in this game should learn how to read the map and start to think about the battles out there instead of just flying around
To spare you all some work, here's my complete AHII hit percentage, from my "2 weeks" in tour 70 until now. Please tell me at what point I should have stopped getting better: ;)
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1474/hitce4.jpg)
I think its a hit/miss %. I looked at greebo's score for the example as he only flies F6F. He has a hit % of 10 and I don't think he uses only 10 bullets to kill a guy. If it was a hit/kill stats hurri1 pilots would have a score over 100, and I never saw that.
Exactly.
The 50 cals doesn't always come higher. a hit is a hit and a miss is a miss in fighter hit % regardless of caliber. If you hit with 4 out of 20 rounds .50cal, you will get 25%, if you hit with 4 out of 20 rounds 37mm you will get 25% too. Hit % in fighters is strictly determined per bullet
Only if you use .50cals vs fighters and 37mm vs buffs, your hit% will be low. If you use 30mm vs fighters and .50cal vs buffs the overall hit % will be high:
Case A)
1 sortie vs fighters in P47. 3000 rounds shot, 8% hit = 240 hits
1 sortie in Yak9t vs buffs. 32 rounds shot, 50% hit (easy target) = 16 hits.
Overall: 3032 rounds, 256 hits. Hit % 8.4
Case B) Now the other way round:
1 sortie vs buffs in P47. 3000 rounds shot, 50% hit = 1500 hits
1 sortie vs fighters in Yak9t. 32 rounds shot, 8% hit = 3 hits
Overall: 3032 rounds, 1503 hits. Hit % 49.6
And that's why I always said in various thread on hit% topics: "Be very careful with interpretation when looking at an individual player's hit% - it very much depends on what planes he is flying and what targets he is attacking"
And no, I am no wetrat. In pure fighter combat my hit % is only between 10-13 %
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So hunting buffs is now considered "gaming the game"?
And I flying under 30 mins per sortie is questionable? Guess flying mainly in base defense is also gamey... sheesh.
I have always hunted buffs in this game. They don't appear randomly. Take a hard fought own base, an enemy field at 5k one or even better 2 sectors away and you will see more buffs that you can shoot down during a single sortie. Or fly high alt cap over your CV.
Honestly, anybody not able to find bombers in this game should learn how to read the map and start to think about the battles out there instead of just flying around
To spare you all some work, here's my complete AHII hit percentage, from my "2 weeks" in tour 70 until now. Please tell me at what point I should have stopped getting better: ;)
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1474/hitce4.jpg)
Exactly.
The 50 cals doesn't always come higher. a hit is a hit and a miss is a miss in fighter hit % regardless of caliber. If you hit with 4 out of 20 rounds .50cal, you will get 25%, if you hit with 4 out of 20 rounds 37mm you will get 25% too. Hit % in fighters is strictly determined per bullet
Only if you use .50cals vs fighters and 37mm vs buffs, your hit% will be low. If you use 30mm vs fighters and .50cal vs buffs the overall hit % will be high:
Case A)
1 sortie vs fighters in P47. 3000 rounds shot, 8% hit = 240 hits
1 sortie in Yak9t vs buffs. 32 rounds shot, 50% hit (easy target) = 16 hits.
Overall: 3032 rounds, 256 hits. Hit % 8.4
Case B) Now the other way round:
1 sortie vs buffs in P47. 3000 rounds shot, 50% hit = 1500 hits
1 sortie vs fighters in Yak9t. 32 rounds shot, 8% hit = 3 hits
Overall: 3032 rounds, 1503 hits. Hit % 49.6
And that's why I always said in various thread on hit% topics: "Be very careful with interpretation when looking at an individual player's hit% - it very much depends on what planes he is flying and what targets he is attacking"
Lusche, with all due respect... spare us. You haven't fought a fella in here since you started, you are known for only shooting at planes that are already engaged, or shooting planes already hanging there on someone else's rope. There's nothing wrong with what you do, except if everyone flew like you, there would be nobody fighting in this game, only people flying higher and higher in an attempt to find someone below them who is already fighting. :devil
PS I haven't mentioned cheating, or any accusation. I just posted a simple :noid. :aok
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there are ways it's achievable:
1. only upping to vulched fields, and
2. "knowing" where all the buffs are....for 112 sorties in a row..........
3. only cherry picking
#'s 1 and 3 have been attempted many times by many players, and #2 has been tried by a few.
I agree that wetrat had a phenominal hit% and he did actually get in the trenches and fight, but I don't think this cat is wetrat. :aok
Your kidding right? 18% is nothing if all of the above was taken to be the case. If you were out to score/pad the stat I'd be expecting 20% plus easy.
<S>...-Gixer
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Your kidding right? 18% is nothing if all of the above was taken to be the case. If you were out to score/pad the stat I'd be expecting 20% plus easy.
<S>...-Gixer
been here 5 years, was a score watcher for several of those, 18% after 112 sorties is very impressive, for a no-name, it's a dead give away. Even lusche, who has had years to aim at roped planes and bombers on the runway stilll just manages 14%. :aok
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So hunting buffs is now considered "gaming the game"?
No Buffs are considered easy kills and not worth the Time,Ammo and especially E when there are fighters to be had. Hence I rarely waste my time with them. Unless:
A) Usually flying off peek and it's been over an hour since seeing the last con.
B) They are going for an important target like a CV and I'm the only one in position to intercept.
C) I'm RTB low on fuel and have a few rounds of opportunity left. :D
<S>...-Gixer
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been here 5 years, was a score watcher for several of those, 18% after 112 sorties is very impressive, for a no-name, it's a dead give away. Even lusche, who has had years to aim at roped planes and bombers on the runway stilll just manages 14%. :aok
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Roger, I see your point.
<S>...-Gixer
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If you score padding why would you wanna shoot buff? Messing with buff is like a quick ride back to the tower, or turning engine on and off to baby sit the radiator back to base. Vulching sounds good though ! but damn those AAAs and flaks are also a quick ride back to the tower!
OMG what to do ????
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My point was regarding the perk rides, and if you look across overall most score wh*res stats use the attack score pad.
So the better pilot flys more variety of low eny planes, then someone who is disciplined enough to fly just a single high eny fighter each tour? C'mon even the newbies can see past that one. :lol<S>
I will agree with you that the MAJORITY of the score dudes hide behind their attack scores. I was just saying, as always, that complete blanket statements just aren't true. There are a few of the top scorers who do not, and I am among them.
Also, since when did these become low eny perk rides (OK, I'll give you the Spit XIV... high base defense against 25K Rooks the other night):
Bf 109K-4 - 11
F6F-5 - 7
Fw 190A-8 - 3
Fw 190D-9 - 6
Spitfire Mk IX - 7
Spitfire Mk XIV - 8
If you score padding why would you wanna shoot buff? Messing with buff is like a quick ride back to the tower...
Not true, last camp alone I had 70 buff kills in a Spit XVI (my recent buff-hunter of choice) and only 8 deaths to buffs in it.
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If you score padding why would you wanna shoot buff? Messing with buff is like a quick ride back to the tower, or turning engine on and off to baby sit the radiator back to base. Vulching sounds good though ! but damn those AAAs and flaks are also a quick ride back to the tower!
OMG what to do ????
buffs = 1.) better hit % (if you hit them)
2.) More kill points for killing buffs than fighters (i think this is true)
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Speaking of these stats.. What the hell is the "Kill Points" stat? I always do well on that and never figured out why.
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2.) More kill points for killing buffs than fighters (i think this is true)
It is true simply because it takes more damage points to take one out of the sky.
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Also, since when did these become low eny perk rides (OK, I'll give you the Spit XIV... high base defense against 25K Rooks the other night):
Bf 109K-4 - 11
F6F-5 - 7
Fw 190A-8 - 3
Fw 190D-9 - 6
Spitfire Mk IX - 7
Spitfire Mk XIV - 8
You can give me the D9,Dweeb9 and K4 as well. Plus those are such low numbers hardly worth pointing out. Got another tour?
Here let me show you couple of mine..
Yak-9T - 275
Yak-9U - 173
I can pull more but they are all the same, makes it very easy for gathering stats. :)
<S>...-Gixer
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Speaking of these stats.. What the hell is the "Kill Points" stat? I always do well on that and never figured out why.
The Kill points are: = PlaneDamageScore + KillScore
PlaneDamageScore =
(DamagePointsScoredOnEnemiesTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourPlaneDamageScoredOnE nemies
KillScore =
((AirKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (AirAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) +
(GroundKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (GroundAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) * DeathMult) +
TotalTourKillScore
As BaldEagle already pointed out and you can see from the formulas above, the majority of your "kill points" results from damage to your enemy. Bombers can soak much more damage, so they will give you more points.
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Personally I think it is achievable. A player who can read the map well, the dar bars etc could locate bombers all day long. Usually they would get caught out by a decent gunner or a lack of targets I bet snailman didnt have this problem and should be complemented on his kills.
Had a 22 hit % in the MW for the first week of this tour but didn't get them off shooting down bombers, just from normal game play. It was only when I strafed GVs did my hit % drop to the current 13%.
If there was some shenanigans going on, it would have been like a former squadron mate's hit % that was in the 70% range. YMMV.
ack-ack
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there are ways it's achievable:
1. only upping to vulched fields, and/or
2. "knowing" where all the buffs are....for 112 sorties in a row..........and/or
3. only cherry picking
#'s 1 and 3 have been attempted many times by many players, and #2 has been tried by a few.
I agree that wetrat had a phenominal hit% and he did actually get in the trenches and fight, but I don't think this cat is wetrat. :aok
If a player is disciplined enough and fires only within ranges he knows he can get hits in, you'd be surprised how easy it is to achieve a decent hit % without resorting to "Three" you've posted.
I usually hold my fire until the target is 400 yards or closer and 9 out of 10 times will land each burst on the target. It's only when I strafe GVs that my hit percentage goes to Hell in a hand basket. Which probably explains why a few in the MW think I use an aim bot. *shrug*
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You can give me the D9,Dweeb9 and K4 as well. Plus those are such low numbers hardly worth pointing out. Got another tour?
Here let me show you couple of mine..
Yak-9T - 275
Yak-9U - 173
I can pull more but they are all the same, makes it very easy for gathering stats. :)
<S>...-Gixer
I've been getting back to my old favorite, the Spit XVI these past two camps, particularily, as I mentioned, as a fast buff interceptor, but here's the two camps prior to that, and a somewhat more prolific camp just before those (I've taken out buffs and vehicles) IIRC, I'm somewhere around 96 different planes with kills in the past 6 months (but still a Spit dweeb at heart):
Tour 99
A6M2 - 4
A6M5b - 4
Bf 109F-4 - 6
Bf 109K-4 - 16
F4U-1A - 4
F4U-1C -0 3
F6F-5 - 3
Fw 190A-8 - 2
Ki-61 - 1
La-5FN - 4
La-7 - 4
P-38G - 7
P-38J - 3
P-38L - 2
P-39D - 2
Spitfire Mk XVI -0 31
Ta 152H - 4
Typhoon IB - 3
Yak-9T - 2
Tour 98
Bf 109G-14 - 4
Bf 109K-4 - 25
Bf 110G-2 - 4
F6F-5 - 21
Fw 190A-5 - 2
Fw 190A-8 - 9
Ju 87D-3 - 1
La-5FN - 1
P-39D - 1
P-51D - 2
Spitfire Mk IX - 5
Spitfire Mk V - 1
Spitfire Mk XVI - 32
Typhoon IB - 3
Yak-9U - 2
Tour 96
Bf 109E-4 - 1
Bf 109F-4 - 2
Bf 109G-14 - 4
Bf 109G-2 - 4
Bf 109G-6 - 3
Bf 109K-4 - 27
F4F-4 -0 2
F6F-5 - 47
FM2 - 2
Fw 190A-5 - 4
Fw 190A-8 - 2
Fw 190D-9 - 3
Fw 190F-8 - 3
Hurricane Mk I - 3
Hurricane Mk IIC - 4
Hurricane Mk IID - 22
Il-2 - 5
Ju 87D-3 - 2
N1K2 - 6
P-47-D40 - 3
SeaFire - 6
Spitfire Mk I - 4
Spitfire Mk IX - 4
Spitfire Mk V - 4
Spitfire Mk VIII - 2
Spitfire Mk XIV - 4
Spitfire Mk XVI - 15
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I usually hold my fire until the target is 400 yards or closer and 9 out of 10 times will land each burst on the target. It's only when I strafe GVs that my hit percentage goes to Hell in a hand basket.
Agreed. Hold fire until 400 or closer and you can maintain double digits easily. The ones that kill my % are the stick-stirrers.
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Wow....i could care less about my own stats, much less someone else's
Just a game boys :rolleyes: :aok
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My latest kill, about 1 hour ago, LWO. A tap on the trigger, 3 rounds fired, 1 hit, enemy going down. Hit % with that salvo 33%. :noid indeed...
http://www.mediafire.com/?mzfjtuyodom
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Yep.. If you can manage 15% without paying any particular attention to your hit %, you should be able to do between 30 and 50%, if you're really disciplined.
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I came up against lusche in KOTH once with the two of us fighting for the P51B round win.
I was missing a flap but otherwise unhindered. We fought for about 6 minutes and i finally hit his oil before being forced into the ground by his decent flying. Lusche won the round, check the Febuary koth results for verification.
Lusche is a very capable 1 on 1 fighter, just because he plays for score in the MA does NOT mean he is a bad fighter.
S! lusche
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I was missing a flap but otherwise unhindered.
Missing a flap in a P-51B is like missing arm in a foot race.
Sure you can fight but not nearly as good.
So much so that I usually rtb when I get a flap shot off in a 51B! (I TnB so results may very)
Strip
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Missing a flap in a P-51B is like missing arm in a foot race.
Sure you can fight but not nearly as good.
Agree, espeacially in a situation like you face in KotH. When 2 planes of the same type duel, the one missing a flap has a big problem, even when stuck in a "up" position.
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Missing a flap in a P-51B is like missing arm in a foot race.
Sure you can fight but not nearly as good.
So much so that I usually rtb when I get a flap shot off in a 51B! (I TnB so results may very)
Strip
It may be compared to losing an arm in a foot race but for some reason it makes the foot hurt like Hell.
Losing a single flap while it's deployed sure makes turn fighting a tad harder. Don't know about other planes but sometimes when I lose a single flap in the P-38, there are times I can't turn in the direction of the lost flap at low speeds because the wing keeps acting as though the flap is deployed.
ack-ack
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It may be compared to losing an arm in a foot race but for some reason it makes the foot hurt like Hell.
Losing a single flap while it's deployed sure makes turn fighting a tad harder. Don't know about other planes but sometimes when I lose a single flap in the P-38, there are times I can't turn in the direction of the lost flap at low speeds because the wing keeps acting as though the flap is deployed.
ack-ack
Wouldn't that depend if it was shot in the up or down position?
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112 sorties 18%
Talk is cheap. Next tour, for your first 112 sorties, try and be disciplined and hit at least 18%. I won't be able to verify this, but I am willing to bet, that an incredible amount of cherry picking, vulching, ganging, and bomber perking will be going on not to mention an enormous amount of dweebery! :aok
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Does strafing building in fighter mode effect percentage? Cause that's all I do when town needs to be taking down. I don't really care for the percentage stuff, just get the mission priority done.
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Does strafing building in fighter mode effect percentage?
Yes - bullets count as "miss"
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Talk is cheap.
Especially yours. :aok
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Yes - bullets count as "miss"
I guess maybe that's why my percentage is low. I mean as long as you know you can aim it doesn't matter right :lol
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I mean as long as you know you can aim it doesn't matter right :lol
Exactly. When you shoot me down it doesnt matter if your % stat is 25 or 5...
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Exactly. When you shoot me down it doesnt matter if your % stat is 25 or 5...
My average mission if the target area is rich, is around 12-15 kills before rtb. I've gone up to 22 kills and 7 assists in D9 w/o rearming. I think it's just the confident level of your aiming. I do just about everything in fighter mode, strafing town if there's no target available, strafing flaks and tanks trying to disable their track before they can reach town. I think all those are aspect of fighting should be count in fighter mode, because the majority of time flying in any mode will be looking for target of opportunities. That include ground targets and air borne targets. With that said I don't think the hit percentage really capture the true aiming ability of a player.
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I'm somewhere around 96 different planes with kills in the past 6 months (but still a Spit dweeb at heart):
Well admitting it is the first step to recovery.
Look, I don't even find my own stats very interesting let alone yours. And especially on 96 different planes over six months.
<S>...-Gixer
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I usually hold my fire until the target is 400 yards or closer and 9 out of 10 times will land each burst on the target. I
ack-ack
Hold my fire until 400 yards? Oh the hardship of nose 50's and Hispanos. :lol
No wonder my Niki never had a chance... :furious
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My average mission if the target area is rich, is around 12-15 kills before rtb.
Yenny, now not wishing to single you out mate. But you do realise we can check your stats? :rolleyes:
<S>...-Gixer
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The Kill points are: = PlaneDamageScore + KillScore
PlaneDamageScore =
(DamagePointsScoredOnEnemiesTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourPlaneDamageScoredOnE nemies
KillScore =
((AirKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (AirAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) +
(GroundKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (GroundAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) * DeathMult) +
TotalTourKillScore
As BaldEagle already pointed out and you can see from the formulas above, the majority of your "kill points" results from damage to your enemy. Bombers can soak much more damage, so they will give you more points.
:O
Isn't it amazing that it's always the score wh*res that know this worthless sh*t. 7 Years I've been around and never have I known the formulas.
Thanks guys, legendary. :lol
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Notice I said average mission if the target area is rich =). A lot of my CAP sorties are with escorting mission package and have nothing to shoot at. However when there are targets, it's different.
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Notice I said average mission if the target area is rich =). A lot of my CAP sorties are with escorting mission package and have nothing to shoot at. However when there are targets, it's different.
Sorry mate, spin it any way you like. I'll see you around in the MA. :D
<S>...-Gixer
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Sorry mate, spin it any way you like. I'll see you around in the MA. :D
<S>...-Gixer
rgr, i got my k4 tater rdy to go vs. ur 9t mellon
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Isn't it amazing that it's always the score wh*res that know this worthless sh*t. 7 Years I've been around and never have I known the formulas.
Thanks guys, legendary. :lol
<S>...-Gixer
You know something's amiss if the german in the group can't dictate the relevant formulas...
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rgr, i got my k4 tater rdy to go vs. ur 9t mellon
:rofl
Can't wait.. :salute
And the K4 is a girls Tater gun, remember that when your back in the tower. :D
<S>...-Gixer
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:O
Isn't it amazing that it's always the score wh*res that know this worthless sh*t. 7 Years I've been around and never have I known the formulas.
Thanks guys, legendary. :lol
<S>...-Gixer
Maybe I'm just able to read the HELP section and post that information when someone has a question? Or do you think I have those things memorized? (Uh.. I know what you will answer now :D)
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Missing a flap in a P-51B is like missing arm in a foot race.
Sure you can fight but not nearly as good.
So much so that I usually rtb when I get a flap shot off in a 51B! (I TnB so results may very)
Strip
In most cases i agree, but in this case the flap was stuck down at two notches. so i kept the other one down two notches also and just flew on the inside line which is my strong point anyhow. Lusche obviously could gain the energy advantage through the flap missing but that is all. We got into the turn fight and i remember some fun rolling and looping that ended with a lucky hit on lusche's oil. He then turned the attack on me and in avoidance i lost control. the flap missing really made very little difference. The point was that lusche won a round of koth and through a good fight at the end.
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Maybe I'm just able to read the HELP section and post that information when someone has a question? Or do you think I have those things memorized? (Uh.. I know what you will answer now :D)
That the difference between us is that you've even bothered to look it up in the HELP section.
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That the difference between us is that you've even bothered to look it up in the HELP section.
Exactly. The difference is that I bothered to answer the question of a fellow player. ;)
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Exactly. The difference is that I bothered to answer the question of a fellow player. ;)
Or more to the point that you knew the information was in the HELP section in the first place.
<S>...-Gixer
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Wow Lusche, gratz on the anklehumper. :aok
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Wow Lusche, gratz on the anklehumper. :aok
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Can i be someone's ankle humper please, pretty please. I'll do anything :noid
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Wow Lusche, gratz on the anklehumper. :aok
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Seconded.
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Especially yours. :aok
:rofl
You found your testicles?
Good for you. :aok
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How creative and sophisticated....
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How creative and sophisticated....
ooops, you've lost them again.
Hope you find them. :aok
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Skyrock,
Wouldn't you say that getting a very high hit percentage is a matter of discipline than skill? When I ask this question I am not really referring to the buff hunters or one hit wonders. If I wait til I can see the whites in their eyes its not really an issue. However when that 109 is out running my 4 fifties (P-51B is my plane of choice as of late) beyond 600 yards and I really do not have time to wait him out. Sure I can fire (while killing my hit percentage) or I can wait for my speed to run him down. In turn fights I can easily break 50% on any given flight. Where talking 200 to 400 yards with a full canopy in view (basically the largest profile your gonna get) with sustained bursts. Give me a few 190 runners that I really want dead and that number can go to 5% or less.
So is it skill or discipline (patients might be a better word)?
P.S. In general, are cannons or machine guns the best for accuracy counts?
(Talking true dog fighting only...ignore buffs for this one.)
Strip
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Look, I don't even find my own stats very interesting let alone yours. And especially on 96 different planes over six months.
<S>...-Gixer
I would never have posted them but you challenged me to do it. I've got nothing to hide.
BTW, better to fly a Spit into a 10 or more on one (which is exactly what I've done mostly the last 2 nights... watch my score drop) than to fly your manly plane with your little hoard.
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I would never have posted them but you challenged me to do it. I've got nothing to hide.
BTW, better to fly a Spit into a 10 or more on one (which is exactly what I've done mostly the last 2 nights... watch my score drop) than to fly your manly plane with your little hoard.
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Well see, your assuming too much on how I fly the Yak. I don't join missions and I certainly don't fly with even 1 wingie let alone hordes small or large. Maybe you should know your opponents a little better before making cliche assumptions.
<S>...-Gixer
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an interesting thread at first....not anymore now :O
lets have some yak fights in DA sometime gixer, could be fun
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an interesting thread at first....not anymore now :O
lets have some yak fights in DA sometime gixer, could be fun
I don't do DA. I'm easy enough as it is to pick out in the MA, just come find me sometime.
<S>...-Gixer
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well I don't do DA to pwn people, its just that its easy to have several fights in a few minutes with the same player at coalt...the only time I found you on MA, the fight started when you were on my 6 at 200 yards :rolleyes:
but thats fine, I'll find you
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I don't do DA.
:confused:
:rofl
:noid
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Maybe you should know your opponents a little better before making cliche assumptions.
Which is exactly how this started when you made assumptions which I rebutted. Then you challeneged me... repeatedly, to which I repsonded.
That last statement about hoards was more generic than specific to you but I thought I'd let you interpret it how you'de like. I don't even know you. I think it takes a lot more to fly into a hugely outnumbered situation alone in an uber ride than to be a hoard lemming in a "mans" ride but that's just me.
I'm done. This isn't worth continuing.
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Who cares? 18% isnt a number which is out of reach. Don't see what the big deal is?
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Who cares? 18% isnt a number which is out of reach. Don't see what the big deal is?
I this, :noid, a big deal?
I think 18% is an extremely hard stat to reach after 120 sorties or so, and I challenge any of these weenies to try to do it next tour and post it in this thread. Again, it is nearly impossible without great amounts of extreme dweebery. :aok
At any rate, don't get a heart attack over it, just my thoughts on the matter.
:noid
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I think 18% is an extremely hard stat to reach after 120 sorties or so, and I challenge any of these weenies to try to do it next tour and post it in this thread. Again, it is nearly impossible without great amounts of extreme dweebery. :aok
It's not as impossible as you think, it really just takes some discipline to get a high hit percentage without having to resort "dweebery" to achieve it.
1) Fire within close ranges (400 yards or closer)
2) Do not strafe anything (i.e. GVs, buildings, vulching)
3) Do not take high probability snap-shots, only take shots that you know will land.
4) *Most Important* Learn how to aim with your piper instead of your tracers
Even with those four simple rules, one can easily achieve an 18% hit percentage if one has the discipline to go for it. YMMV.
ack-ack
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It's not as impossible as you think, it really just takes some discipline to get a high hit percentage without having to resort "dweebery" to achieve it.
1) Fire within close ranges (400 yards or closer)
2) Do not strafe anything (i.e. GVs, buildings, vulching)
3) Do not take high probability snap-shots, only take shots that you know will land.
4) *Most Important* Learn how to aim with your piper instead of your tracers
Even with those four simple rules, one can easily achieve an 18% hit percentage if one has the discipline to go for it. YMMV.
ack-ack
I agree, now lets see who has the right stuff, I can garuntee you I can't do it, I am to fond of fighting the horde where some spraying is needed to manipulate baddies. I set conv at 3-400 and sometimes get hits at 800 to 1000 just to chime in and make the fella fight. It's not conducive to high hit%. :aok
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At any rate, don't get a heart attack over it, just my thoughts on the matter.
:noid
Heart attack over it? Whatever. I am not the one bringing it up, i am just questioning why there is a 3 page thread about it on the bbs. Maybe i have been here too long and am just blasé about everything...
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Wouldn't you say that getting a very high hit percentage is a matter of discipline than skill? When I ask this question I am not really referring to the buff hunters or one hit wonders. If I wait til I can see the whites in their eyes its not really an issue. However when that 109 is out running my 4 fifties (P-51B is my plane of choice as of late) beyond 600 yards and I really do not have time to wait him out.
I think the answer to this is, if you can maintain a very high hit percentage, and still keep your kills per opportunity at the same high rate then it definately is skill. I know I kill my hit percentage exactly for the reason you describe, if someones getting away I'm not concerned so much about wasting ammo as I am converting the opportunity to a kill.
If a pilot gives up kills others would rack up for the sake of retaining hit percentage then it's entirely dependent on whether or not they make up for those kills by using the ammo on other targets before returning home. In Skyrocks case I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, he tends to fly in high concentrations of enemy planes, if he avoids getting shot down on any given sortie, ammo saved not taking low percentage shots more often then not will be used successfully in high percentage situations.
I'm more aircraft dependent, if I'm in a K4, the taters definately get conserved. In a .50 plane I'm far more likely to spray a runner down and to hell with efficiency.
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Heart attack over it? Whatever. I am not the one bringing it up, i am just questioning why there is a 3 page thread about it on the bbs. Maybe i have been here too long and am just blasé about everything...
I was trying to be lighthearted and if you read back through my posts in this thread you will see that I have been half-heartedly stirring up curiosity about the subject. Nothing more, nothing less. Also, you are not the one bringing it up is right, I am. You are the one taking time to post in my thread though. So, what is it, "whatever", or "I think I'll take the time to be a holier than thou smartarse in SkyRock's thread"?
:noid
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He didn't say 18% hit percentage on what though....might be the hanger wall for all we know.
:noid
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHH QUIT FIGHTING of nice anim GO WV i live there lmazomghdkade LMFAO I hace no9 clue what that meant
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I was trying to be lighthearted and if you read back through my posts in this thread you will see that I have been half-heartedly stirring up curiosity about the subject. Nothing more, nothing less. Also, you are not the one bringing it up is right, I am. You are the one taking time to post in my thread though. So, what is it, "whatever", or "I think I'll take the time to be a holier than thou smartarse in SkyRock's thread"?
:noid
I am not trying to be anything, I just was questioning asking why it really matters. I guess I must have missed the lightheartedness...
Anyways, bore off, i am not trying to pick a fight with you ;)
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I am not trying to be anything, I just was questioning asking why it really matters. I guess I must have missed the lightheartedness...
Anyways, bore off, i am not trying to pick a fight with you ;)
Quit posting in SkyRocks thread! He own's this thread.
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I am not trying to be anything, I just was questioning asking why it really matters. I guess I must have missed the lightheartedness...
Anyways, bore off, i am not trying to pick a fight with you ;)
Bore???
:noid
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Wow I cant believe I just read all 8 pages of this thread, thats 10 minutes of my life wasted that Ill never get back.
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Wow I cant believe I just read all 8 pages of this thread, thats 10 minutes of my life wasted that Ill never get back.
Shut it twit boi!
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ive been deacking in fighter mode and my hit percentage is still "above average"
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:noid
Skyrock its like guy who is in another arena.And has 26% hit 20 or 30kills per death. You go back look at his scores 4 or 5months ago his hit % was 0.02 at best and less than 1 kill per death. Then he got caught killing shades account, And HTC erased his kills and scores erased. Now he found out he can kill Squadies 2nd account and he doesn't get scores erased.As long as his squadies shades doesn't match his ISP he's safe. I guess some need to feel Great in fake life because real life sucks.
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:lol
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Ummmm, so what?
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Skyrock its like guy who is in another arena.And has 26% hit 20 or 30kills per death. You go back look at his scores 4 or 5months ago his hit % was 0.02 at best and less than 1 kill per death. Then he got caught killing shades account, And HTC erased his kills and scores erased. Now he found out he can kill Squadies 2nd account and he doesn't get scores erased.As long as his squadies shades doesn't match his ISP he's safe. I guess some need to feel Great in fake life because real life sucks.
name plz :)
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name plz :)
Sprkplg Early war
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Sprkplg Early war
Early What? Don't tell me there are score wh*res that play in the Early and Mid War arenas as well...
:rofl :rofl
<S>...-Gixer
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Early What? Don't tell me there are score wh*res that play in the Early and Mid War arenas as well...
:rofl :rofl
<S>...-Gixer
Not so much in Midwar, milk running is more popular past time for the majority of the squadrons that inhabit MW. Sadly, these same squadrons are also responsible for the game play going down as it was far more common in the past to find good quality fights than it is now. I might get lucky and see the likes of some of the 80th guys, Slapshot or even Dedalos (once in a blue moon) from time to time but mostly the dregs like Ghost66 and rawwdog that pollute the MW.
It's just gotten to be really sad seeing an entire squadron give up a fight and move on to an undefended base just because a lone bandit rose up to challenge them. It's the new mini-LW with a better planeset matchup.
ack-ack
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I might come visit sometime.
:salute
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;)
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He didn't say 18% hit percentage on what though....might be the hanger wall for all we know.
:noid
Ahahahahahah LOL , try a <C> on the map