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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: BillyD on June 16, 2008, 12:26:29 PM
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Spits w/ 4 20mm cannon?! gimmmie gimmie gimmie ;) From what I understand the mk V had an option for the universal wing " b" standard layout w/ 2 20mm and up to 4 mgs or a " C " wing w/ the 4 hispanos. This would be a sick lil acrobat base defender with the punch of quite possibly the best ata weapons ...
The mk 21 was historically rare ( something like 150 delivered ) and saw limited action cause it was frought w/ early tech difficulties but it did serve in WW2 and also carried the 4 hispano set up
just dreamin
Billy
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You can have the 4 Hispano loadout if you also require it to carry bombs, and the engine performance hindering dust filter.
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Only one squad of Mk Vs used four 20mm cannon. It would be horrible overused in AH. Bad idea.
Spitfire F.22 was post war. The Spitfire F.21 saw a very limited amount of service. There are much higher priorities than the Spitfire F.21.
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Karnakk you are correct mk 21 instead.....thus modifing the thread :salute
How could the V with 20mm be any worse than the Nikkie or LA7 :D
like i said just dreaming
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Only one squad of Mk Vs used four 20mm cannon. It would be horrible overused in AH. Bad idea.
Spitfire F.22 was post war. The Spitfire F.21 saw a very limited amount of service. There are much higher priorities than the Spitfire F.21.
Might not be 100% accurate.
Some of the infamous Malta Spits also left the carriers with 4x20mm, once on Malta 2 were removed.
Unknown if any were inbound and got caught up in any ongoing dogfights, guess it's not beyond the realms of possibilty.
Apart from that the 'old' AH Mk Vc (2x20mm+ 4x.303in) definately needs to make a re-appearence.
Only this time clip it, but retain the cropped impellor and boost settings (Merlin 55M).
F.21, yup for a later date, needs parts remodelling (wings for e.g.)
However all the parts should be available for a Mk XII.
Those 3 Spits would effectively cover all the major/important wartime variants with what we already have -
I, F Vb, LF Vc, F IX, VIII, XII, F XIV, XVI, F.21
A simple change of an option on the XVI for 2x20mm + 4x.303in makes it a 1943 LF IX (2 for 1 effectively)
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If I am not mistaken the quad gun set up on the Spit-5's caused the planes to handle so badly they were quickly changed back.
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And the list for Spitfire modifications just keeps getting longer and longer.. :furious
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And the list for Spitfire modifications just keeps getting longer and longer.. :furious
Much like the remodel where we got almost exactly what we asked for, most Spit enthusiasts would probably agree -
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F Vb
LF Vc
VIII
F IX
XII
F XIV
XVI
F.21
Is as complete a list of the most important/historic marks you could wish for in AH2, or any other fighter sim for that matter.
Seafires require 2 - L IIc, L III
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And the list for Spitfire modifications just keeps getting longer and longer.. :furious
When an aircraft is the only allied aircraft to be in service before, during and after the war... it needed a few modifications to keep up to date with everything ;)
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Aren't you all happy enough with your uber Spixteen?
What a plague on the game it is.
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Aren't you all happy enough with your uber Spixteen?
What a plague on the game it is.
Not at all. It is a good all rounder & can be easily beat it comes back to the right tool for the job & a person who knows how to fly it & counter it.
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Karnakk you are correct mk 21 instead.....thus modifing the thread :salute
How could the V with 20mm be any worse than the Nikkie or LA7 :D
like i said just dreaming
Just keep on dreaming ..... Every time someone asks for a new fun fighter , the fun police go into their
old song and dance ( chit-frenzy ) of how it would be a game killer .... ya dee yada.... :furious
Too bad 'cause The Spit V with the B wing would be a cool addition ....
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Not at all. It is a good all rounder & can be easily beat it comes back to the right tool for the job & a person who knows how to fly it & counter it.
Problem is that its a bit too good at bnz for a plane that turns and climbs that good. I don't know if that was the case in real life.
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Aren't you all happy enough with your uber Spixteen?
What a plague on the game it is.
Hear hear!!! How right you are! I think some adjustments needs to be made on a few planes in the game (perk pts, ENY, etc), and the Spit16 is #1. :)
Of the six Spitfires we have now, (1, 5, 8, 9, 14, 16), I believe most of the spectrum is covered well enough for HTC to focus on other aircraft that could fill in some glaring gaps that still exist in the game. Namely, adding a French fighter (D520) and ground attack plane (Bre693 or MB175), Italian bomber/ground attack plane (BR20 or SM79), Russian fighter and bomber (MiG-3 and IL-4), etc.
I vote for no more "top notch" performance planes from the US or UK. That means that planes like the P40N, Beaufighter, PBY, Swordfish, or other such 20+ ENY planes can still be tinker'd with. :D
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Not at all. It is a good all rounder & can be easily beat it comes back to the right tool for the job & a person who knows how to fly it & counter it.
Give me a break. It has no weaknesses.
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Give me a break. It has no weaknesses.
Dear Dave,
If you can't beat it, try flying one. The 16 is not as uber as some make it out to be, just more common than the other Spits. Every bit of the Spitfire family has dangerous capabilities within their flight envelope and a good pilot at the stick. Prefer the 8 myself.
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Give me a break. It has no weaknesses.
It's not that it hasn't any weaknesses, it's that the XVI and the VIII both have the low alt Merlin 266 (Merlin 66) which is well suited for the MA low furball environment.
In all important aspects our XVI is actually a 1943 LF IX, only difference is the LF IX had .303's in place of the .50 cals.
Almost reminds me of all the fuss over our old Vc with the max boost and cropped impellor.
Yet really only 2 ways to lose to it -
a) Get bounced by one with a lot of alt.
b) Fight on the Vc's terms.
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I thought the name of this section of the Forum was called "WISHLIST" not "SHI% STORM" lol
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Just keep on dreaming ..... Every time someone asks for a new fun fighter , the fun police go into their
old song and dance ( chit-frenzy ) of how it would be a game killer .... ya dee yada.... :furious
Too bad 'cause The Spit V with the B wing would be a cool addition ....
We have a Spitfire Vb now
The old AH Spit V looked like a Vb but had the ammo load of a Vc
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Dear Dave,
If you can't beat it, try flying one.
No thanks. I actually try to fly a skill plane myself.
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No thanks. I actually try to fly a skill plane myself.
You might want to actually try it before you spout idiocy. The Mk V is nothing like the Mk XVI.
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You might want to actually try it before you spout idiocy. The Mk V is nothing like the Mk XVI.
And maybe you should read the post I was replying too. He was talking about flying the Spixteen.
And I know the different between the V and XVI, thank you.
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We have a Spitfire Vb now
The old AH Spit V looked like a Vb but had the ammo load of a Vc
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Roger That , All I'm saying is that the 4 cannons on it would be a lot of fun to dog fight
with .... and a great addition to the game .....
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CHECKERS
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No thanks. I actually try to fly a skill plane myself.
Dear Dave,
I will not even continue this line of conversation with you Sir. Keep hanging on to your misunderstandings/misconceptions, and enjoy your very narrow slice of Aces High.
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Theres no misconception or misunderstanding. There's a reason why a load of pilots in Ah want the Spit XVI perked.
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Yeah, they suck and get kilt by people flying them.
There are plenty of aircraft in the game that turn better or do at least something better.
Also, let's face it, the majority of people who fly Spit 16s, La7s and N1ks for that matter are impatient and of below-average skill. It is not difficult to out-wit them.
Personally, I think Spits are awful to fly and I have no idea why they're so popular. To each their own, though.
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4 cannon Spits..... why not? Provided they flew as badly as the instant removal of the second bank of guns would suggest, I think it would be great.
Perhaps when/if the perked load-outs become a reality this would be a good idea. There are still lots of things that need to be re-modelled and added before that.
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Yeah, they suck and get kilt by people flying them.
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Or the fact that they get E out of absolute nowhere and climb like a rocket, turn with most planes, etc..etc..
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Or the fact that they get E out of absolute nowhere and climb like a rocket, turn with most planes, etc..etc..
Fly one, you will find that is false.
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Or the fact that they get E out of absolute nowhere and climb like a rocket, turn with most planes, etc..etc..
Dear Dave,
With all due respect there is not a single plane in AH that gets E out of nowhere. Climbs like a rocket? Turns with most planes? Who are you getting these amazingly general and inaccurate facts from? I would highly suggest some research into facts and flying the plane yourself so you know the weakness/strength's of this plane before making such bold statements. You are only showing your narrow slice of Aces High to be smaller than I originally thought.
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For a nice super spit. Get a nice used(or) new Spit 16 body the chop the back off then place a nice bubble canopy on it.
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The Spit16 is the best fighter in the game. It does it all and it does it all well. Speed, turn, roll, sprint, firepower. It has it all. The biggest weakness is a light ammo loadout. That is it. Sure, there are a few planes that can do certain things better, but when the total package is looked at, the Spit16 is a top notch aircraft.
Yeah, a lot of "noobs" fly the plane, but we all see good vets land many kills in that plane. Vets just like some of the megaphone bellowers here in this thread. It gets used by new guys and vets alike. Take a cross section of who is flying it and I'd bet there are fewer "newbs" flying it in relation to vets comparatively speaking.
Also, making the case of "mostly noobs fly the Spit16 so if you get shot down by one then you suck" is the most immature and assinine overgeneralization I've seen in 3 months in these forums. Especially when debating the qualities of an aircraft/gv, etc.
There is a reason the Spit16 is at the top of the list. "Newbs" dont put it there.
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The Spitfire XVI only has a bad rep because it's overused by noobs. However, there was once a time when all pilots chose their plane because it was fun and they were getting kills. That's essentially what the Spix pilots are doing. The Spix is one of the last on my list simply because of lack of fuel and sheer ungliness, but that doesn't make it crap.
At any rate, the Spitfire Vc's flying off of carrier decks in 1942-43 were equipped with 4x20mm cannon as transports. They did not have all 4 (if any) guns loaded with ammo which is why F4F's flew top cover. Also, the main handling instability was more likely caused by the 29 Imperial Gallon flexi-tank stuck in the rear of the Spit to give it more range for the carrier to Malta trip.
Also, it is a fact that any Spitfire with a C type or E type wing can carry 4x20mm cannon. Those wings were designed to. This game relies on what was actually done in the war though; i.e. the norm so you won't see any Spitfire XVI's, XIV's or V's with 4x hizookas.
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hold the war our spits are too uber !
please reduce all boost levels and remove all hispanos and replace with 303 brownings only, then we can fit in with the :cool: crowd,
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if a spit 16 is on your tail turn LEFT .....16 can't turn for toffee to the eft has to do with the insaine torque from the griffon engine wanting it to turn RIGHT.You've heard correct dave the simple way to defeat the 16 is to turn LEFT.thats it nothing more deadly to a 16 than a left hand turn.Now can only "uber" pilots turn left?
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if a spit 16 is on your tail turn LEFT .....16 can't turn for toffee to the eft has to do with the insaine torque from the griffon engine wanting it to turn RIGHT.You've heard correct dave the simple way to defeat the 16 is to turn LEFT.thats it nothing more deadly to a 16 than a left hand turn.Now can only "uber" pilots turn left?
PSST! Spit 16 has a Packard Merlin 266, not a Griffon. Merlin 61 in the IX and Merlin 66 in the VIII. That's the XIV with the Griffon
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Dear Dave,
With all due respect there is not a single plane in AH that gets E out of nowhere. Climbs like a rocket? Turns with most planes? Who are you getting these amazingly general and inaccurate facts from? I would highly suggest some research into facts and flying the plane yourself so you know the weakness/strength's of this plane before making such bold statements. You are only showing your narrow slice of Aces High to be smaller than I originally thought.
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It does climb and turn with the best in the game. It would be nice to have the full spitfire range, but there's other planes more needed.. Like the russian, italian, and japanese MIAs.
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Or the fact that they get E out of absolute nowhere and climb like a rocket, turn with most planes, etc..etc..
Krusty is this you in da shade? :noid Cmon with all this hyperbole, it's got to be you. ;)
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It does climb and turn with the best in the game. It would be nice to have the full spitfire range, but there's other planes more needed.. Like the russian, italian, and japanese MIAs.
Hello Moot,
I am well aware of the 16's capabilities. I am trying to get Davie over his Spit phobia, and you are not helping! :lol His logic for why an additional Seafire variant was not needed in the game is because the Spit 16 is too Uber. Perhaps you can help me understand this fuzzy factoid? I agree on the planesets mentioned, they are more important than additional Spits at this time. Would love to see some of the holes in the planeset plugged.
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I probably dislike them even more, but I welcome new ones. The more of them, the richer the sights of spitfire wreckage raining down. Maybe you could convince Davey of seeing it like that.
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Is that a mallard smoking a fatty?! :rock? :O :aok
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I probably dislike them even more, but I welcome new ones. The more of them, the richer the sights of spitfire wreckage raining down. Maybe you could convince Davey of seeing it like that.
I'm never happier when I see a Spitfire die in the MA. ESPECIALLY a Spit XVI. That gives me jollies for the rest of the day.
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i like seeing spit 16 die by my hands :pray when in the mk Vb or XI as it means a bag full of perkies and a "WTF :furious i'm in an uber plane" on 200. much like when i kill a nik1 while in a zero :aok
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Try imagining the face on a spit 16 whos on my p39Q's six, and get's reversed on in under 10 seconds in most cases, only to be chased down "why do they always run?" and plugged once in the back with my 37mm. :eek:
Good times. :rock