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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: angelsandair on June 17, 2008, 01:02:56 AM
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It's awesome. My half-sister graduated high school this year and sold her 2001 Mustang for only 4,000$$ it only has about 31,000 miles on it too. When I was supposed to get a 2000 Toyota Tundra with about 240-250 thousand miles on it :D
I dont know why my parents got it for me, but I'm not gonna ask why, cuz they might ask themselves that, and then I'd be short of a Mustang :noid
That is all. :aok
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Friends don't let friends drive gay cars.
:noid
Congrats!
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congratulations.
:)
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Friends don't let friends drive gay cars.
So who let you drive a Camero? :D
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real men drive TRUCKS
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I was gonna drive an '06 Nissan Titan, but I'd rather have a Mustang any day (course, the Nissan Titan could easily out run it.... :rofl )
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What half of yer Sister is left?
:D
Congrats!
Drive safe.
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I was gonna drive an '06 Nissan Titan, but I'd rather have a Mustang any day (course, the Nissan Titan could easily out run it.... :rofl )
Well if a chick's drivin', yeah. That's why God invented wrenches!
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I like it, it accelerates really good too. Suprised a Ford could be that good too. and the fact that it's mine made me rub it in my friend's faces. (mostly 1 though cuz he reminds me of Cmustard, talks a lot of crud and always starts stuff)
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What model Stang we talkin' about?
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Just a regular... But its free for me...
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Details, it's all in the details... GT, 5.0, ragtop?... details!
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Not a GT, it's silver, has about 31,000 miles on it, I havent looked at it as much as I wanted to yet, but it has these awesome custom speakers too.... :D
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Good speakers always add an extra 10mph.
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:D
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real men drive TRUCKS
And Jeeps
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real men drive trans am's with footprint gas pedals and mullets :rofl
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Pix man!
PIX!!!!!
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So, real men dont have to buy their own cars (me) :P
I'll get some pics tomorrow when it's light out, only pixs i got of it are on my phone. :devil
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So who let you drive a Camero? :D
I don't drive a "Camero".
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:D
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Good speakers always add an extra 10mph.
Except in Quebec, where every antenna that is put on the vehicle adds 10kph.
Didn't the offshoot of the Camero become the studmuffin machine put out by Pontiac.
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First year I could drive was 1973. Checking used car lots at the time i somehow stumbled on a 1966 Mustang 289 V8 with custom Pony interior, and in mint shape, for $500. This car had like 20,000 miles on it and was litterally driven to the store and back by a little old lady.
So that was my High School car. Complete with 8-track tape player to play my Zep and Floyd on. Back then gas was so cheap we used to cruise non-stop. We'd spend entire weekends cruising.
Boy has it really been that long ago? I remember that car like yesterday. And girls??? Girls loved that car.
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I wish my Mustang had a bigger back seat if ya know what I mean.... :D :O ;)
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the front seat reclines ;) :aok
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the front seat reclines
..............into the trunk. :D
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:lol :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I'm trying to upload some pictures, but the USB cable isn't cooperating. :noid
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Well, here it is...
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh71/1pLUs44/100_0278.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh71/1pLUs44/100_0279.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh71/1pLUs44/100_0280.jpg)
:O :aok :D
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Nice.
:aok
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Free ;) :D
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They bought it for you because the price of the amount of fuel you'll burn will far exceed that of any car payment! :O
Congrats! :aok
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I think it was cuz it was such a good deal. But hey, free car + me=Happy. :rock
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nice car... the squid (my kid) gets one similar to it next February.
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It handles really smooth. I'd suggest one.
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So who let you drive a Camero? :D
Thats it, I've heard more than enough from you pal, there'll be no more of that!
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thats a nice first car, a 4.6 should drop right in ;)! I still have mine, 87 C10. Put a 355 in her and she still gets 20 mpg HWY. Nt bad for led sled.
(http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v142/238/121/693095383/n693095383_1528910_342.jpg)
(http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v130/238/121/693095383/n693095383_1528549_801.jpg)
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Nice, but the inside of my car smells wierd. Hard to explain, but not like new car, nor cigarettes (the original owner was a smoker). Just smells... wierd.
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MOPAR or no car. :furious
J/K Gratz and hope you have a lot of fun with it. :aok
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toss some apple cores under the seats for a few days should help with the smell
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nice car, treat it good, wash an wax and change the oil when needed, and do not try to see "what it will do".
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This is a photo of my latest ride....
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/248_1211333394_511074-r1-032-14a_016.jpg)
It is a 76 Mercury Comet, that year the Comet Mustang and the Maverick all had the same frame and suspension....
The rebuild is coming along great, another grand or so and I'll have my vintage ride.....
Regards,
Kevin
PS this is what happened to the ride before....
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/248_1211333846_511074-r1-034-15a_017.jpg)
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nice car, treat it good, wash an wax and change the oil when needed, and do not try to see "what it will do".
I dont think it can do too much anyways. My brother's Toyota Tundra 2000 model with a v6 that has 250,000 miles on it out ran a mustang same year same model everything. And that truck cant even do 100....
(plus, driving scares the **** out of me, I'm glad I wasn't there to be in my bros truck when he raced...) :noid
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Nice, but the inside of my car smells wierd. Hard to explain, but not like new car, nor cigarettes (the original owner was a smoker). Just smells... wierd.
You'll figure this out on your own in a few years, but that smell is hot car sex.
I don't drive a "Camero".
Tomater, tomatter...
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You'll figure this out on your own in a few years, but that smell is hot car sex.
Ahh of course... But theres so little room in it.. old owner musta been a midget... :noid
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I dont think it can do too much anyways. My brother's Toyota Tundra 2000 model with a v6 that has 250,000 miles on it out ran a mustang same year same model everything. And that truck cant even do 100....
Don't let that put you off, it was probably some spaz driving it. I had some balding, fat banana who thought he was king dick in a Maserati pull up next to me one night, make eyes at my girlfriend and then rev his engine at me. I'm no street racer but I thought I'd give this guy a go because he was such a knob. Long story short, I left his expensive car for dead, 15 feet behind by the time I got to the speed limit (80ks/ 50MPH) where I levelled off. Trying to save face the fat banana kept it planted and screamed off at 100kms +. Definitely 'lol'd' at that one.
I like it, it accelerates really good too. Suprised a Ford could be that good too. and the fact that it's mine made me rub it in my friend's faces. (mostly 1 though cuz he reminds me of Cmustard, talks a lot of crud and always starts stuff)
I don't about the Fords you Yanks get buy my Ford does pretty well and it's nearly 13 years old (still a baby, though, it only has 115 000 Ks (70 000 miles) on the clock). 4 litre I6 with lots of torque. The Australia Ford I6 is one of the most durable engines around. :aok
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/Car0022.jpg)
You're a lucky kid, +44, take care of your new baby.
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Nice car kid, and you can't beat the price. :aok
Congrats!!!
My ride looks more like "Barbie's Dream Car"
(http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9775/s2ksmalluf6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
"Roping unsuspecting pick-up drivers into hairpin turns since 2004" :D
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(plus, driving scares the **** out of me, I'm glad I wasn't there to be in my bros truck when he raced...) :noid
Driving a V6 Mustang scares the **** out of you or driving in general scares the **** out of you? When I was 15 all I would think about was getting drive. Hell, I had about 80 hours behind the wheel...before I got my license!
Well, it will give you somewhere to start. Eventually you can work your way up to something like C-HOG, my "Camero" as RPM puts it.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/P1010041a.jpg)
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Hey, what does insurance cost on a Mustang for a 16 year old these days?
cha
ching
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Wana race? Here's a short video of my 94 Probe GT at beaver run road course a few years back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkTgPiOsQlE
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Wana race? Here's a short video of my 94 Probe GT at beaver run road course a few years back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkTgPiOsQlE
Nice vid, but a Probe? giggle
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Hey, what does insurance cost on a Mustang for a 16 year old these days?
That hurts just thinking about it. :uhoh
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teens should only drive Hondas... Civic or Accord for example.
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Nice vid, but a Probe? giggle
Don't knock the Probe. Remember that Ford actually considered making it the new Mustang, but they quickly dropped the idea when they realized the muscle car guys would never settle for a car without a V8 and a rear suspension from the 1940's. :D
Fire suit in place... Ok, flame on. :cool:
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Designers of the retro mustang (2005-2009) wanted rear-multilink and front double wishbone suspension. Too bad the bean counters at Ford opposed :rolleyes:
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Nice vid, but a Probe? giggle
Guess you didn't watch the video. Put alot on money in that car and it was set-up for D street prepared solo 2 racing. Raced it for 7 years in the SCCA..and I was one of those drivers fellow drivers hated seeing show up at races. There are 5 vids on Youtube. Don't knock it till you try it. Probe stock has a better skid pad number than a C5 corvette. If your worried about HP any one can drive in a straight line! I actually use some of the racing knowledge in this game.
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Wana race?
yes. Say when.
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yes. Say when.
Probe stock has a better skid pad number than a C5 corvette.
Rofl. This was easy to debunk as I knew it to be false. Probe GT skid pad number .87. C5's base model skid pad number: .92
Sources: http://www.alabamaprobes.org/Probe%20GT%20vs%20Integra%20GSR%20(MT%2012-93)p6.jpg (http://www.alabamaprobes.org/Probe%20GT%20vs%20Integra%20GSR%20(MT%2012-93)p6.jpg)
http://www.drivingtoday.com/kpix/greatest_cars/corvette_c5/index.html (http://www.drivingtoday.com/kpix/greatest_cars/corvette_c5/index.html)
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Man, someone just THINKS "Corvette" and Steve's on 'em like stink on ****.
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Man, someone just THINKS "Corvette" and Steve's on 'em like stink on ****.
Hehe, some things I know a little about... most things I don't. Corvettes are in the former.
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a FWD Probe outrunning RWD vettes, camero??? That's too much :cry :rofl
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Ford probe has advanced suspension. Just give it decent tires and it should keep up with the C5 vette on skid pad.
The Probe GT's chassis and suspension system is based on a Mazda design, but its suspension tuning is the result of extensive Ford testing and calibration to achieve the optimized handling characteristics exclusive to the Probe. Both front and rear struts are nitrogen-gas pressurized, and the stabilizer bar sizes were optimized for hard cornering. The Probe GT also offers a special Automatic Adjusting Suspension, a computer-controlled system utilizing variable damping shocks that adjust to best accommodate acceleration, braking, and cornering forces. A sort of forerunner to active suspension control, the system permits three different shock damping modes-Soft, Normal-Auto and Sport. The Soft mode provides the smoothest ride, while the remaining two modes are used for higher-performance driving. In these modes the microprocessor monitors vehicle speed, acceleration, braking, and steering wheel angle, and automatically adjusts the shock absorbers for better handling while reverting to a comfortable ride on smooth roads. Above 50 mph (80 km/h), the front shocks are automatically tightened to "firm" in Normal-Auto and to "extra-firm" in Sport to provide increased high speed stability.
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a FWD Probe outrunning RWD vettes, camero??? That's too much :cry :rofl
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Ford probe has advanced suspension. Just give it decent tires and it should keep up with the C5 vette on skid pad.
You could make a Ford Probe perform like a GT-R...but in the end all you are left with is a Ford Probe.
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a FWD Probe outrunning RWD vettes, camero??? That's too much :cry :rofl
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Outrun what vette? Not mine and it's an old clunky C4
Ford probe has advanced suspension. Just give it decent tires and it should keep up with the C5 vette on skid pad.
Uhhh no. Do you think the c5 doesn't have "advanced suspension"?
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Driving a V6 Mustang scares the **** out of you or driving in general scares the **** out of you? When I was 15 all I would think about was getting drive. Hell, I had about 80 hours behind the wheel...before I got my license!
Sitting in the front seat in 2 wrecks scares the **** right out of you. :noid :noid
Especailly when you are really tired and you look up and all you have time to say is "ohhh ****...." :noid
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Probe + Mazda engineering is another proof that you can make a fast car without resorting to high hp/torque.
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Probe + Mazda engineering is another proof that you can make a fast car without resorting to high hp/torque.
Ford probe GT 1/4 in 15.5. No offense but that's just not fast. If you are going to troll, you are gonna have to work harder.
source:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0NFnpYsCPI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0NFnpYsCPI)
http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60_Quarter_Mile_Times/F_0-60times.html (http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60_Quarter_Mile_Times/F_0-60times.html)
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I think he means in a road race. You can just about any car fast with proper engineering. You can make them faster without a lot of expensive engineer with good old shade tree know how.
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I think he means in a road race. You can just about any car fast with proper engineering. You can make them faster without a lot of expensive engineer with good old shade tree know how.
My uncle used to race Mustangs. He had a version with a 421 HP engine, and then he worked it over to add some more HP and raced a GTO with a 485 HP engine and beat him easily. :noid
Dont know what he did with the old Mustang though.
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I think he means in a road race. You can just about any car fast with proper engineering. You can make them faster without a lot of expensive engineer with good old shade tree know how.
Any car can be modded to go fast, there's no point in discussing that.... that's a matter of money and nothing else.
And I'd like to see how you make a car go fast without horsepower/TQ. Gearing and power to weight ratio and perhaps drag are about all you can tinker with so, other than dropping it out of a plane, how do oyu make a car go fast "without resorting to high hp/torque"?
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Any car can be modded to go fast, there's no point in discussing that.... that's a matter of money and nothing else.
And I'd like to see how you make a car go fast without horsepower/TQ. Gearing and power to weight ratio and perhaps drag are about all you can tinker with so, other than dropping it out of a plane, how do oyu make a car go fast "without resorting to high hp/torque"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULXgAA1oypE
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Any car can be modded to go fast, there's no point in discussing that.... that's a matter of money and nothing else.
And I'd like to see how you make a car go fast without horsepower/TQ. Gearing and power to weight ratio and perhaps drag are about all you can tinker with so, other than dropping it out of a plane, how do oyu make a car go fast "without resorting to high hp/torque"?
I think that's what I just said.
My question to MG is if the Probe didn't have Japanese engineering input but was strictly American/Ford engineer, would he still be so vocal about the Probe? I think not.
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I think that's what I just said.
My question to MG is if the Probe didn't have Japanese engineering input but was strictly American/Ford engineer, would he still be so vocal about the Probe? I think not.
Translation....fan boi :aok
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULXgAA1oypE
Well I watched the video and saw a high HP car win the race. I couldn't find a Ford Probe in that race anywhere.
Was there a point to your post?
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Well I watched the video and saw a high HP car win the race. I couldn't find a Ford Probe in that race anywhere.
Was there a point to your post?
1st place barely won.
See the 2nd car. It only has 280 hp and it can keep up with the 420 one.
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Probe GT only got my attention because it shared suspension component with Mazda MX6. It was domestic's true contender against Celica, Integra, Prelude, Eclipse (FWD sport coupes)
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Probe GT only got my attention because it shared suspension component with Mazda MX6. It was domestic's true contender against Celica, Integra, Prelude, Eclipse (FWD sport coupes)
quite right. I agree fully.(not that I'm an expert on those cars beyond stats)
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1st place barely won.
See the 2nd car. It only has 280 hp and it can keep up with the 420 one.
LMAO! Barely wins it? From the in car camera of the 2nd place care the Porsche easily had 6 car lengths. Son, in racing that's a good ole fashioned ass-whooping! And if you think those JDM's were stock...riiiiiiiiiiiight.
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Probe GT only got my attention because it shared suspension component with Mazda MX6. It was domestic's true contender against Celica, Integra, Prelude, Eclipse (FWD sport coupes)
Thanks for proving my point.
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LMAO! Barely wins it? From the in car camera of the 2nd place care the Porsche easily had 6 car lengths. Son, in racing that's a good ole fashioned ass-whooping! And if you think those JDM's were stock...riiiiiiiiiiiight.
JDMs were bone stock.
Remember, that video was from early 2000s.....
The objective was to see if the JDM cars with ~120 hp less hp can still keep up to "world standards".
JDMs at that time still had the self imposed "Gentlemen's agreement" of not producing cars with more than 300 hp.
JDMs had no cars priced beyond $120K.
JDMs only had hi performance cars priced $40k to $50k (NSX was ~$70).
We will be in for another nasty surprise when high performance JDMs return again at 2009-2010 with the NSX, LF-A, GT-R Vspec. Damn they like to pull pearl harbor on us :noid
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Well, if you think they were stock, I'll let you keep thinking that. But there is no way in hell you're going to convince me those JDM's were nothing but bone stock. Anyway, it's kind of pointless as a race anyway. You have multiple classes of cars competing in the same race which doesn't really make for a good race. The JDM's were given the front spots due to "pricing", sounds more like "special ed" priveledge to me. Put the other cars in front at the beginning, then let's see what happens.
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I dearly wish there was a video of my '83 Shelby Charger smoking an '83 Vette. But nobody had video phones back then.
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You're full of **** RPM and I can prove it.
And no video of your claimed race would be needed.
hehe...
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I dearly wish there was a video of my '83 Shelby Charger smoking an '83 Vette. But nobody had video phones back then.
Don't know about that. Hot Rod had an article where a Dode Omni GLHs spanked a GT 350r by 2 seconds around willow springs raceway. Not to mention 1 second through the 1/4.
Ohh and to fan boi, stick somebody other than all Japanese in all those cars and lemme know it goes.
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Found it. Cut n paste
(http://www.shelbyglhs.com/GLHS/Pics/HRCover.jpg)
So you thought Carroll Shelby was out of it, reduced to the second-fiddle role of keeping all the performance car promises Lee Iaccoca was making about Chrysler products. Perhaps you even figured the Ol' Master was talking out of the side of his mouth when he spoke (HRM June '85) of low-cost, four-cylinder front-wheel-drive mini cars that can go out and beat up on the big stuff. Well, don't feel bad, so did we. Till Now.
Carroll Shelby is back, and he's just fired the first bullet in his battle with the performance car world--the Shelby GLHS. Seems Shelby is setting up shop again. It's back in the trenches for the man who's been busy consulting with Chrysler Corporation for the past three years. Though his plans haven't changed on that score, he'll still be developing hardware for the "Dodge Boys," and now he intends to build cars the bean counters won't let Iacocca make.
If there's one question Shelby dislikes hearing about his new activity, it's: "Will it be like the good old days?" Without our ever asking, Shelby made it perfectly clear that the new Shelby Automobiles, Inc. won't be building any 427 Cobras, GT350's, or GT500 Mustangs. "We'll be building today's cars...you boys had better learn to deal with that fact." And just to prove it, we let Shelby lead us like sheep to slaughter at a track test setup to preview the new Shelby-version Omni Turbo GLHS.
Using Willow springs International Raceway as their introduction location the Shelby group put the automotive press in a standard 1986 Omni GLH Tubo for a comparison baseline. Content to be impressed with the car's lap times (the current model is not weak-wristed), we took the bait --hook, line, and sinker.
The mile-wide grins dominating the faces of the Shelby PR people should have told us something as they strapped us in the shiny black GLHS. By the end of the pit straight, the gig was up. By the entrance to Turn One, so was our heart rate. Quicker? Quicker doesn't even come close. By Turn Two (a sweeping, slightly uphill right hander), a corner we had been entering flat-out in the standard GLH, we now arrived going so much quicker we had to lift and tap the brakes. Yes folks, this puppy is definitely quicker. Lots quicker.
And it's quicker everywhere! On the straights, in the turns, everywhere. It took us three laps just to catch up to the thing, but by three more we were comfortable and having at it. The car pulls down the straight like a strong V8, and it works in a corner like some of the best set-up, conventional rear-drive performance platforms. If it showed us any weakness, it was the brakes. The darn thing can just plain be driven harder than its brakes can stop it. One of our return trips to the pits was made all the more spectacular by a front-disc brake fire. A point was made in the GLHS's favor, given that the stock pads were brand-new and not properly burnished for this kind of use. But who could resist driving the little monster this hard? Not us.
After the initial shock wore off we started to better appreciate just what a watershed car this is. For starters, it was all the things Shelby had been telling us it could be--a low cost(about $11,000), front-wheel-drive (because that's what Chrysler is manufacturing today), four-cylinder (mileage and economy still call the shots), turbocharged (because some folks still want to enjoy driving a car) little car (because today it's required to make better use of space and materials). In short, it has all the earmarks of a "today" car, not those of the mid-Sixties.
To further prove the point, we pitted the Shelby of "today" against the Shelby of "the good old days." We brought to the test a 1965 Shelby GT350 Mustang. A watershed car in its own time, it would now stand toe-to-toe with the future and slug it out; a no-holds-barred contest for technical supremacy. A fair fight? Not really. By our perspective the GT350 was playing with a stacked deck, but what better way to make Shelby prove his point?
The car we used belongs to Shelby American Automobile Club member Phil Schmit. Schmit's not a rookie to Shelby products. He not only restored his own GT350, but his 427 Cobra as well, both of which he drives in SAAC track events Considered by his fellow club members to be a quick Shelby driver, Schmit was chosen to champion "the good ol' days."
The two cars took to the track looking as mis-matched as David and Goliath. It was a growling V8 against a muffled, straight four--a fat rubbered, rear-drive, 3000-pound musclecar versus a gumballed, front-drive, 2300-pound shoebox. Surely Shelby was starting to sweat. The contest came to speed in a hurry, as the GLHS took off in an effort to stretch an advantage, with the GT350 in hot pursuit. The gap opened to about 10 car lengths, where it remained for three rapid laps. Much to our amazement, the GT350 showed no significant advantage anywhere on the course. It reeled in a few car lengths at the exit of the low-speed corners, but was held at bay down the remaining straights. The GLHS had slightly higher corner entrance speeds and was able to pull out a few lengths in the really tight stuff.
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Continued
The cornering performance of the GLHS surprised us, and why not? The GT350 Shelby Mustang had won on race courses over the country in the mid-Sixties (we might add, against Corvettes, Cobras, and Jags), yet the way the GLHS held the Mustang off down the long straights really blew our minds. Both cars recorded 125 mph at the exit of the back straight.
Feeling a wealth of confidence, we backed off the throttle in the GLHS, letting it charge about 10 car lengths ahead. With both cars back up to speed, another three-lap ding-dong developed: this time the GLHS closed up. By mid-point of the second lap the GLHS was on the trunk of the GT350. To pass it would serve no point. The cars returned to the pits together. Shelby beamed.
On paper this whipping should not have happened. The GT350--with Schmit's admittedly "smiled on" motor putting out about 350 horsepower, its high-powered cornering ability, its large disk brakes and Detroit locker rear-end--should have put it to the shoebox with shark's teeth.
Bewildered, Schmit, along with the rest of us, put the obvious question to Shelby. How? He calmly explained that it was a matter of "...efficiency. For three years now my guys have been playing with engines. You konw, heads, pistons, turbos, superchargers, the whole range, just looking for ways to make that 2.2-liter engine think it's a 5-liter V8. Turbos, which I've been telling you guys for years, are the only way to go in a small-displacement vehicle." Shelby goes on: "Scott Harvey heads our engineering team, and he's had Neil Hannemann developing the chassis, while the engine team--Jerry Mallicoat and Jim Broske--worked with our electronics engineer, Alex Koral to really make the power we needed. Engine detail changes for the GLHS include an air-to-air intercooler that cools the compressed air by as much as 100 degrees F, allowing more of it to be forced into the combustion chamber. As a result, the turbocharger's boost can be bumped up to 12psi, as compared to the standard GLH's maximum of 9psi. A tuned multi-point fuel-injection manifold, with longer intake runners, help improve the distribution of the fuel/air mixture. All this adds up to a 30-horsepower increase and a broader powerband to 175 ft.-lbs. at 4600 rpm. The durability homework was done by the Powerplant Engineering group and the Special Vehicles team back in Highland Park, Michigan."
Shelby brags that the car was designed as a package. "Steve Hope, who, like Harvey, has been a racer for years, put it all together. Chassis, engine, electronics, everything. To make this little monster effective, as a real world car that a young couple could afford to buy, but would enjoy gettin' out in. Turned out it could blow the doors off cars that cost four or five times as much."
Its quarter-mile times do nothing to discount Shelby's statement. Passes at 14.7 @ 94 mph make the GLHS one of the 10 fastest production turbo cars in the world. Its 0 to 50 time of 4.57 seconds makes it a real stoplight racer and puts nearly every other car in danger of a short-race whipping. On the skidpad, where the car's lateral acceleration is measured, it pulled an amazing .88g. It's a fighter of the pocket-rocket variety, no doubt about it.
As for progress, Shelby's benchmark of 20 years ago ran 15.7 @ 91 mph in the quarter, with 0 to 60 times of 7 seconds (see Motor Trend and Sports Car Graphic, May '65)--in its day a very hot machine. But Shelby is quick to add, "I would have been sorely disappointed if I hadn't been able to build a faster, more efficient car today. It's a sign of the times." Shelby goes on to say, "It's a lot of little car for the money. We're givin' it Koni adjustable gas shocks, our new 15x6 Centurion cast wheels with Goodyear 205/50/15VR Eagle Gatorbacks, a 175-hp turbocharged, intercooled engine, a special gauge group with some real information on it, and rollbar and oil cooler option for the guys who might want to go race the damn thing."
Current production plans call for only 500 of the black demons to be built. Assigned a Shelby serial number, they shouldn't be in the dealer's showroom for long. First production versions are due to roll of the new Shelby Automobile, Inc. assembly lines in mid-March. When pressed about expanding the production numbers, Shelby replied that "If the demand is that great, we'd take a look at it."
Shelby Automobiles, Inc. is going to be a small production car group building specialty cars aimed at a narrow market segment. Shelby's goal is to build cars that will focus on the current tehcnology and take advantage of the engineering breakthroughs that continue to take place. "We'll be able to respond quickly to the latest thinking," says Shelby. "Our group is already developing hardware for the Lancer and Daytona. We've go some slick stuff coming down the pike for you."
Seems the Ol' Master wasn't talking out the side of his mouth these last few years. Shelby has made his point, and he plans to keep on making it. It might not be like the good old days, but it's sure to be as interesting.
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I dearly wish there was a video of my '83 Shelby Charger smoking an '83 Vette. But nobody had video phones back then.
This would be a good story, except for the fact that there has never, ever been a 1983 vette on the road. :aok
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Driver's skill vs Driver's wallet
an oldie, but a goodie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCxhf_yV3Z8
No point here. (Though it may get MG wet. :)) Just an entertaining video. (though kinda long) This guy can drive :aok
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I've seen better :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by20Fk4fDsk
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I've seen better :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by20Fk4fDsk
Good vid, but you can't fan the flames with an "All Rice" Spectacular. :cool:
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You know, that's what I love about the ricers; their blind loyalty to something that's not as awesomely engineered as they think. Oh sure, there's some nifty engineering, things that make you, "Aww, isn't that cute?" But, in the end, they drive a car to and from work, er, school, dream about getting the rear end kicked out in a curve, ooops, sorry, it's front wheel drive, and can't wait to sink $5000 into an engine and maybe get 500 hp out of it but still sounds like, to quote Widewing, a hoover plugged into a 220 socket.
The odds that I'll drive my Camaro against a JMD or Turbo Porsche on a road course? Zero. Do I even dream about it. Not really. All of my driving is from daily use, the street racing in me died when 2 of my friends died doing it in a Mustang. Does that curtail my passion for all things F-Body? Not in the least. There are some things that can be said for engineering over cubic inches, but that really doesn't matter in the world of every day driving. Both are pretty much equal no matter how much the ricer thinks it isn't.
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You know, that's what I love about the ricers; their blind loyalty to something that's not as awesomely engineered as they think. Oh sure, there's some nifty engineering, things that make you, "Aww, isn't that cute?" But, in the end, they drive a car to and from work, er, school, dream about getting the rear end kicked out in a curve, ooops, sorry, it's front wheel drive, and can't wait to sink $5000 into an engine and maybe get 500 hp out of it but still sounds like, to quote Widewing, a hoover plugged into a 220 socket.
The odds that I'll drive my Camaro against a JMD or Turbo Porsche on a road course? Zero. Do I even dream about it. Not really. All of my driving is from daily use, the street racing in me died when 2 of my friends died doing it in a Mustang. Does that curtail my passion for all things F-Body? Not in the least. There are some things that can be said for engineering over cubic inches, but that really doesn't matter in the world of every day driving. Both are pretty much equal no matter how much the ricer thinks it isn't.
and, in the end, they work with whats cheap and readily available..as long as the moneys going into actual performance, wheres the problem?
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It's not like how it was when you did everything yourself, Vorticon, it's now, "What can I bolt-on next?" There's no driveway engineering, it's all credit carded out on 4 wheels. After that come the "All american cars suXXXorz!" attitude. I have yet to see any ricer car that isn't some sort of rolling bolt-on, import-magazine influenced frankenstein. So end the end it isn't what's cheap, it's what's "hot".
Put it to you this way; it's rare, very very rare to see the Camaro/Corvette owner with the 4 foot tall spoiler and the "5 hp extra" stickers all over the bodywork. At least that's the way it is here in Houston. And trust me, we have a HUGE and multi-cultural car enthusiast scene here.
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Always brings a smile to my face when someone starts with 'if I put better tires <or insert any mod you wish here> my <anything> will beat a bone stock C5 <or any other bone stock anything that actually runs fairly well>
What makes them think you cant bolt on that same mod on yer C5 <or anything else that can get out of its own way even bone stock> .. and really stretch them legs :)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/my%20vette/IMG_0799.jpg)
Sticky tires front an back.
Suckin bikers an beemers into guardrails for years now -evil grin-
-Frank aka GE
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It's not like how it was when you did everything yourself, Vorticon, it's now, "What can I bolt-on next?" There's no driveway engineering, it's all credit carded out on 4 wheels. After that come the "All american cars suXXXorz!" attitude. I have yet to see any ricer car that isn't some sort of rolling bolt-on, import-magazine influenced frankenstein. So end the end it isn't what's cheap, it's what's "hot".
Put it to you this way; it's rare, very very rare to see the Camaro/Corvette owner with the 4 foot tall spoiler and the "5 hp extra" stickers all over the bodywork. At least that's the way it is here in Houston. And trust me, we have a HUGE and multi-cultural car enthusiast scene here.
its very, very, rare to see a actual "tuner" with a useless 4 foot tall spoiler and stickers all over the bodywork either...
beyond that, i cant rightly comment. the limit of my experience with this sort of thing is oil changes and turning a few bolts/watching my dad on his 12 year old project sitting in the garage...and reading this and a couple other boards.
but i doubt many corvette owners do half as much work on their own cars as the 20 year olds with whatever car they can afford to own and work on sitting in the driveway.
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its very, very, rare to see a actual "tuner" with a useless 4 foot tall spoiler and stickers all over the bodywork either...
beyond that, i cant rightly comment. the limit of my experience with this sort of thing is oil changes and turning a few bolts/watching my dad on his 12 year old project sitting in the garage...and reading this and a couple other boards.
but i doubt many corvette owners do half as much work on their own cars as the 20 year olds with whatever car they can afford to own and work on sitting in the driveway.
I already answered this with my previous quote. If you want to check out what the Corvette owner is doing check out Steve's C4. That's where you'll see the big difference between the typical American car owner and the ricers of today.
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The corvette owners I know and run with are a diverse group .. we have several doing frame up rework, one guy just got his tremec 5-speed in (he did the whole thing in his garage at home) ..you should see the '67 roadster one guy put an LS-2 in, it is just an awesome bit of work and it runs *great* too.
He has owned the car since it was new, this is just the latest iteration :)
There's also a few that drop their rides off and drive 'em home when they're done.. because .. well .. they *can* :)
I even paid to have the plugs changed.. *gasp* .. oh the horror!
S'ok.
Wrenched on more cars than most and built more motors than most.
I don't do it much anymore .. fun to gather at a friends house and help out tho.
I just need to 'wrench up' a bit ..LOL .. I don't have anywhere near the tools I need.
(somehow just cant see vice-grips and duct tape solving any problem on my Vette :)
Don't you worry tho .. will wrench on some stuff here an there :)
-Frank
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I already answered this with my previous quote. If you want to check out what the Corvette owner is doing check out Steve's C4. That's where you'll see the big difference between the typical American car owner and the ricers of today.
the "ricers" without any knowledge or skill will be doing pointless body modifications, and to a pontiac sunfire as often as a honda civic...
the guys with knowledge, skill and money will be doing what they want to, and can, to a car they love and are familiar with, foreign or domestic...
and i'm willing to say the guys running old british cars do more driveway engineering just to keep the damn things running long enough to get to a show and back than anyone.
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"What can I bolt-on next?" There's no driveway engineering, it's all credit carded out on 4 wheels. After that come the "All american cars suXXXorz!" attitude. I have yet to see any ricer car that isn't some sort of rolling bolt-on, import-magazine influenced frankenstein. So end the end it isn't what's cheap, it's what's "hot".
start here (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=730443&pp=20&page=12)... read and be amazed from start to finish :cool:
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start here (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=730443&pp=20&page=12)... read and be amazed from start to finish :cool:
I was already a member there and posted to that thread many times. Still doesn't change my opinion of it. Has money but still a ricer attitude. Just for the record; I am no fan of the Pro Touring craze either.
Vort, to the kids doing what you said to Sunfires and such...where do you think they got it from?
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the "ricers" without any knowledge or skill will be doing pointless body modifications, and to a pontiac sunfire as often as a honda civic...
My personal favorites are the terms "carbon fiber" and "billet". Millions of $$$ in Bling Bling crap sells every year because of these three words. I told an aftermarket vendor once that he could make a fortune if he advertised that "each individual carbon fiber was first machined from a much larger billet of carbon before being spun into tape or fabric." He actually took me seriously and asked what I thought that would cost!!!
:rofl :rofl
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but i doubt many corvette owners do half as much work on their own cars as the 20 year olds with whatever car they can afford to own and work on sitting in the driveway.
Well you doubt incorrectly. Do you actually know many corvette owners or did you just throw this on the wall to see if it sticks? Like any sports cars, there's all kinds of vette owners. From the pasty faced office geek who couldn't find the radiator with a map and a flashlight to the shade tree mechanics to the hard core wrenchers. I know plenty of the latter two. I'm one. I built my vette motor from the block up. I even had an assistant. (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_1519.jpg) (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_2573.jpg)
also modded the car from nose to tail.(performance wise, that is, bling is for ricers) (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_1452.jpg) (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_1453.jpg) (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_1450.jpg) (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_0202.jpg) (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_0176.jpg) (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/carwash2.jpg)
So, you're wrong about vette owners, there's plenty of wrenchers out there. Disclaimer: I didn't do the paint and body work but have a couple of friends who do their own.
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How wide are your rear tyres?
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I'd have to somewhat agree with vorticon. Although there are plenty of dedicated Corvette "gear heads" (Kudos to Steve and the like :aok), there are plenty of folks in them who'd be lucky to find the hood release. Remember, the Vette is easily the "Alpha Ride" of Mid-Life Crisis types in America (with Porsche running a close but costly second) who have no idea how that monster works. (yeah, I know several of those pasty-faced office geeks)
Not a slam at the passionate Corvette drivers, just an unfortunate social fact.:( Just be glad that Cadillac made the XLR to distract some of the Sansabelt generation away from your baby. :D
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How wide are your rear tyres?
The rims are 11's, the tires are 315 35 17's. The back end of the c4 narrows a bit so the tires actually don't stick out the side quite like it appears in the picture.
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Hre you can sort of tell that they don't stick out that much
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/carwash1.jpg)
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Well you doubt incorrectly. Do you actually know many corvette owners or did you just throw this on the wall to see if it sticks? Like any sports cars, there's all kinds of vette owners. From the pasty faced office geek who couldn't find the radiator with a map and a flashlight to the shade tree mechanics to the hard core wrenchers. I know plenty of the latter two. I'm one. I built my vette motor from the block up. I even had an assistant.
So, you're wrong about vette owners, there's plenty of wrenchers out there. Disclaimer: I didn't do the paint and body work but have a couple of friends who do their own.
i stand corrected.
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Guess you didn't watch the video. Put alot on money in that car and it was set-up for D street prepared solo 2 racing. Raced it for 7 years in the SCCA..and I was one of those drivers fellow drivers hated seeing show up at races. There are 5 vids on Youtube. Don't knock it till you try it. Probe stock has a better skid pad number than a C5 corvette. If your worried about HP any one can drive in a straight line! I actually use some of the racing knowledge in this game.
I watched it, I was merely knocking the Probe because it's one of Ford's ugliest cars in the last 25 years. That's what I'm knocking. I'll stop harassing your baby then.
If I stuck 5g's in a Dodge Omni, I'd be sensitive about it too I guess.
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I watched it, I was merely knocking the Probe because it's one of Ford's ugliest cars in the last 25 years. That's what I'm knocking. I'll stop harassing your baby then.
If I stuck 5g's in a Dodge Omni, I'd be sensitive about it too I guess.
You can't take him too seriously. He actually said this below, as you quoted too:
Probe stock has a better skid pad number than a C5 corvette.
We know this to be patently false as shown in previous posts.
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Whats the skid pad numbers on a early 90's vette..are those the c4's? I guess I miss spoke on the c5...maybe it the c4's. Sorry I don't know the vette history like you Steve. I did provide false info...my bad. I passed that c5 so many times I think thats why he went off the road in the one video. He didn't want the pesky little car with less than half the engine pass him....again. There are video's on youtube of 10 sec. probes that use the stock block....2.5L. Also video's of probes making almost 500hp...street driven cars. I don't care they are great little cars and very fun to drive. FYI my ex-father-in-law has a 07 Z06 that is just sex on wheels.
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Whats the skid pad numbers on a early 90's vette..are those the c4's? I guess I miss spoke on the c5...maybe it the c4's. Sorry I don't know the vette history like you Steve. I did provide false info...my bad. I passed that c5 so many times I think thats why he went off the road in the one video. He didn't want the pesky little car with less than half the engine pass him....again. There are video's on youtube of 10 sec. probes that use the stock block....2.5L. Also video's of probes making almost 500hp...street driven cars. I don't care they are great little cars and very fun to drive. FYI my ex-father-in-law has a 07 Z06 that is just sex on wheels.
I don't want you to think I'm bashing probes, and I've seen a timeslip for an 8 second probe but it was a monster... not much left of the "probe" parts, ya know? lol I have no doubt Probes can be fun little cars to drive. My only bias against them would be the FWD but that's a matter of personal preference more than anything else. It's clear that the c5 in the video is outmatched, whether he is testing, broken, or a novice driver. I wonder what the video would have looked like with similarly matched drivers who were consciously racing each other. Again, I'm not bashing your car of choice. You're a car guy so we are both enthusiasts of the same hobby. :aok FWIW, the last model year of the c4 was 1996 and it's skid pad number was .91
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Guess I am just a fan of the under-dog. <S> Steve
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Remember, being a Texas driver you have to hog the express lane at 10 under the speed limit or they take your mustang away.
ROX
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ROX, he has no choice but to drive 10 mph under the limit, he's driving a Mustang.
Hehe...
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ROX, he has no choice but to drive 10 mph under the limit, he's driving a Mustang.
Hehe...
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I'll be getting in trouble for speeding anyways. I have to drive right past Sun City just to get to school and they drive 20 mph under the speed limit. :noid
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I'll be getting in trouble for speeding anyways. I have to drive right past Sun City just to get to school and they drive 20 mph under the speed limit. :noid
Sun City? Where do you live? I live in Surprise.
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Sun City? Where do you live? I live in Surprise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_City%2C_Texas
At least that's where I think he's talking about.
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Ya I gathered that after I looked at his pic and saw Tx plates, thanks. The Sun City I was contemplating is in AZ
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Sun City is scary even in a Panzer.
Imagine a retirement community the size of an average town.
Full of blue hair and only knuckles visible on steering wheels.
I'm talkin *scary* ..they dont see you,
..dont care if they do, and really ..
..really ..
..got nothin to lose.
Clint Eastwood got nuthin on them.
-Frank aka GE
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Sun City? Where do you live? I live in Surprise.
I live by the Sun-City in Georgetown Texas. :aok :noid
Those old people are crazy. They drive 20 mph on the road and 60 in the parking lots.
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So when are you upgrading to this model?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Shelby-GT500KR-LTD-Edition-Mustang_W0QQitemZ320263201122QQihZ011QQcategoryZ35227QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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:noid
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if its not class 8 its not a truck
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Nice, but the inside of my car smells wierd. Hard to explain, but not like new car, nor cigarettes (the original owner was a smoker). Just smells... wierd.
The original owner didn't have yellow police tape and a chalk outline around him the last day he owned it did he?
ROX
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Wana race? Here's a short video of my 94 Probe GT at beaver run road course a few years back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkTgPiOsQlE
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ya..i have a buddy that drives his viper at pocono. there's a couple guys in neons........they hang right on his arse for the entire time
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Rofl. This was easy to debunk as I knew it to be false. Probe GT skid pad number .87. C5's base model skid pad number: .92
Sources: http://www.alabamaprobes.org/Probe%20GT%20vs%20Integra%20GSR%20(MT%2012-93)p6.jpg (http://www.alabamaprobes.org/Probe%20GT%20vs%20Integra%20GSR%20(MT%2012-93)p6.jpg)
http://www.drivingtoday.com/kpix/greatest_cars/corvette_c5/index.html (http://www.drivingtoday.com/kpix/greatest_cars/corvette_c5/index.html)
i think the mustang gt is .90? in that insa\tance it would be who's the better driver not who has the better car
vette is still king of chick magnets though
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Ford probe GT 1/4 in 15.5. No offense but that's just not fast. If you are going to troll, you are gonna have to work harder.
source:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0NFnpYsCPI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0NFnpYsCPI)
http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60_Quarter_Mile_Times/F_0-60times.html (http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60_Quarter_Mile_Times/F_0-60times.html)
werent the older vettes only high 13 second range cars? don't flame me i'm asking, as i don't know....i know my firends 96 was a dog..........
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1st place barely won.
See the 2nd car. It only has 280 hp and it can keep up with the 420 one.
an inch or a mile, wining is winning. 2nd place is just the first loser :D
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I dearly wish there was a video of my '83 Shelby Charger smoking an '83 Vette. But nobody had video phones back then.
what i had read about them.....they did a 0-100-0 test on them since they had the shelby name on them. they did a couple other cars too.a camaro i think and a mustang.not sure.......but they claimed the shelby wouldn't make 100mph. :D