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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: angelsandair on June 19, 2008, 07:31:47 PM
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I was watching about the floods in Iowa and saw how everybody tried to help and filled sandbags trying to save their town. And then I saw them talking about Katrina and how nobody tried at all to help themselves or other people (not talking about all of them of course). Kinda pitiful isn't it? If those flood waters get down there again, there'll be more looting like last time. The other wierd thing is, I haven't heard anything about looting in these small towns that were flooded.
This should set an example for those people who dont do this stuff, who loot, steal and complain why the problem isn't getting fixed.
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word.
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How exactlly would you sand bag miles of levies? It's one thing to sandbag a dam or a small location, but you do understand there are miles of levies in New Orleans? So exactlly where did you expect them to start?
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I live in Iowa and when this hit there were a few things I was sure of. One..Our police would not run away from their jobs.. two there would be very little looting and three..most people witnessing looting will report it.
I did hear of a suspected looting of cabins on the Mississippi.. but that was just suspected.
Iowa isn't perfect by any means but they do somethings right here. When a flood comes and they do frequently, sandbagging becomes another community activity.. everyone gathers and helps and it becomes a social event.
My house missed being flooded by about 3 blocks. I was in Canada most of the week so I missed out on most of it, but I once again I was quite amused at my fellow Iowans ( I really don't consider myself an Iowan, it just makes the story flow better) As I checked 'You Tube' for information on the flooding.. there they were rushing to see the water spilling over the spillway at the Coralville dam. Such a small town thing to do.
One Iowa town I lived in people would rush to the hospital to see the life flight helicopter land. Ya Iowa is an exciting place. Many years ago when I was in the military home on leave almost every one I ran into just couldn't contain their excitement....Have seen the McDonald's? We have a McDonald's now! Iowa small town suffistacatshun. (purposely misspelled)
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How exactlly would you sand bag miles of levies? It's one thing to sandbag a dam or a small location, but you do understand there are miles of levies in New Orleans? So exactlly where did you expect them to start?
The National Guard did it all on their own, no help from the people. In Iowa, the people and the National guard did what they could with sandbags and where.
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The National Guard did it all on their own, no help from the people. In Iowa, the people and the National guard did what they could with sandbags and where.
The National Guard wasn't in New Orleans before the hurricane hit.. The National Guard is never put into the path of a hurricane before it hits. They come afterwards because it's never known where they will be needed. In the case of Katrina I think it was 2 days afterwards. A huricane is a tad bit diffrent than a flood.
So look here and tell me where they should have started tossing out sad bags..
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=29.901377,-90.067635&spn=0.20268,0.299377&t=h&z=12
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The National Guard wasn't in New Orleans before the hurricane hit.. The National Guard is never put into the path of a hurricane before it hits. They come afterwards because it's never known where they will be needed. In the case of Katrina I think it was 2 days afterwards. A huricane is a tad bit diffrent than a flood.
So look here and tell me where they should have started tossing out sad bags..
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=29.901377,-90.067635&spn=0.20268,0.299377&t=h&z=12
They did it all on their own though, if the same thing happened in Iowa in a small town, people would be out there doing what they could. You're missing the point, if those flood waters get to New Orleans, people are gonna do what they did in Katrina. Just sit there and expect the National Guard to do it on their own.
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How exactlly would you sand bag miles of levies? It's one thing to sandbag a dam or a small location, but you do understand there are miles of levies in New Orleans? So exactlly where did you expect them to start?
There were hundreds of miles of sandbags in Iowa, Illinois and Missouri. Sandbagging in the Iowa is not just along a mile stretch. Every river needs to be looked at. From Cedar Rapids to the border of Missouri is a little over a hundred miles and in that area there's the Skunk, Cedar, Iowa, and other rivers that over flowed before reaching the Mississippi. Hundreds of square miles. Lot of towns, lots of pressure points all with sandbagging. T
In the Iowa city/Cedar Rapids area we have the Iowa river and the Cedar River. Iowa city is 15 miles south of Cedar Rapids but in between there are many little towns that all needed protection. Big difference in the Midwest, people will volunteer to help...Not everyone but a sizable portion of the comunity.
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They did it all on their own though, if the same thing happened in Iowa in a small town, people would be out there doing what they could. You're missing the point, if those flood waters get to New Orleans, people are gonna do what they did in Katrina. Just sit there and expect the National Guard to do it on their own.
I think you are missing the point. New Orleans is "under sea level" if the flood waters get through it is already a lost cause. No amount of sand bags is going to stop 10 feet of water. Yes 10 ft of water is how much water there was in most of the flooded areas. How do you suggest they stop that from happening when the city is already behind the 8 ball?
By the time the national guard showed up the people still there were in need of rescue, not help filling sand bags.
So again what exactly did you expect them to do to stop this from happening? The looting and so sure, that was pretty bad, but regardless of that or how many lazy people there may or may not have been. What exactly were they supposed to do?
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I think you are missing the point. New Orleans is "under sea level" if the flood waters get through it is already a lost cause. No amount of sand bags is going to stop 10 feet of water. Yes 10 ft of water is how much water there was in most of the flooded areas. How do you suggest they stop that from happening when the city is already behind the 8 ball?
By the time the national guard showed up the people still there were in need of rescue, not help filling sand bags.
So again what exactly did you expect them to do to stop this from happening? The looting and so sure, that was pretty bad, but regardless of that or how many lazy people there may or may not have been. What exactly were they supposed to do?
They coulda helped the national guard re-dam up the levys after they broke, they didn't. They could have actually reported all the looting that happened, they didn't.
In Iowa, the National Guard didn't have to come down there to enforce the laws either.
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Angels. The National Guard didn't dam up the levees in New Orleans, The Army Corps of Engineers did.
In New Orleans
The words levee and levee breach were brought heavily into the public consciousness after the levee failures in metro New Orleans on 29 August, 2005 when Hurricane Katrina passed east of the city. Levees breached in over 50 different places submerging eighty percent (80%) of the city. Most levees failed due to water overtopping them but some failed when water passed underneath the levee foundations causing the levee wall to shift and resulting in catastrophic sudden breaching. The sudden breaching released highly pressured water that moved houses off their foundations and tossed cars into trees. This happened in the Ninth Ward when the Industrial Canal breached and also in the Lakeview neighborhood when the 17th Street Canal breached. Effects of breached levees are discussed further in and 2005 levee failures in Greater New Orleans, which cites a death toll of 1,464. In New Orleans, the US Army Corps of Engineers is, by federal mandate, the sole agency responsible for levee design and construction as defined in the Flood Control Act of 1965.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levee)
Not a super credible source but it's better then nothing
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The show before the news was even better...
See Plankton started up this Rock Band. He had Sponge Bob, Patrick and even Squidward convinced that they were gonna be great, but all along I knew that Plankton was after the Crabby Patty receipe.
And boy I was sooo right on the money.
I was flooded with emotions and if no one else see that coming well you were just sandbagged.
*I know that was bad but had to break up the tension in here a bit*
:huh
Mac
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Call me stupid but why do you live so close to a place where water can and frequently does come over the banks of the river and levee's? I understand the whole economics of it in the 1800's and early 1900's but with the advent of lots of things like vehicles you don't have to live right at the waters edge.
Find some high ground and for good measure blow up New Orleans and move somewhere else. It isn't a matter of IF the flood waters get there it is a matter of when and it will be by early next week I would imagine. Shut it down and call it done. Time to move on.
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You're asking why people don't... think?
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People comparing these two disasters or implying that the folks in the mid-west are somehow superior to the folks in New Orleans cracks me up because it shows either a complete ignorance of the situations or a very poorly disguised prejudice.
The scale alone makes these two catastrophes completely different. In Iowa, there is an estimated 1.2 Billion dollars in damages. Katrina caused more than 100x that. The energy released along with the how quickly it was delivered made Hurricane Katrina comparable to the detonation of several nuclear weapons (plural). Tell you what... the next time someone tests a nuclear weapon, gather up a bunch of people from a small town and let them build a wall out of sand bags. We'll see how they do then eh?
But lets take this further... as so many here are want to do. 1300 People lost their lives in Katrina. More than 400,000 lost their jobs. God knows how many homes were destroyed. People were without food, and water, on top of that, they had no electricity for MONTHS... and lets not forget the record heat in the weeks that followed Katrina (90+ degrees for several weeks straight). Moreover, lets not forget that N.O. was eventually evacuated and that the people were not allowed back in to most of the city for MONTHS. (How do you suppose they could help the National Guard fix the levees then? Oh that's right... folks in the o'club figured that they're just lazy and want a hand out. :huh)
What has the toll been in Iowa? No doubt the people there are suffering, and I don't want to sound like I'm minimizing that, but lets keep some freak'n perspective. Oh, and btw, these current flood victims are seeking "hand outs" too.
Get a clue :rolleyes:
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People comparing these two disasters or implying that the folks in the mid-west are somehow superior to the folks in New Orleans cracks me up because it shows either a complete ignorance of the situations or a very poorly disguised prejudice.
actually it's a prefect example of what happens to an entire city (new orleans) when they have been handed and raised on government entitlements for 40 years. by it's very nature.....it creates a citizenry that is totally dependent upon the government for their every need in their daily life..and in emergencies...they turn to jello. I don't see too many disasters in the mid west where they parade in front of the media cameras asking: where is my food? where is my government debit card? where is my fema trailer? where is my check? the people in the midwest seem to be too busy helping their neighbors.
I won't even go into detail about the groups of roving armed thugs.........shooting at emergency helicopters...cops in uniform looting stores....I'm sure we remember seeing that. A fish rots from the head....down.
(http://www.tommychang.net/uploaded_images/looters-739752.jpg)
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05HM2f6cQA6Q7/610x.jpg)
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Then Sponge Bob caught, actually caught, Plankton with a jar in his hands with the Crabby Patty receipe.
Sooo Busted.
Lighten up all. People live in places that sometimes they wish not to be. There are famine stricken countries with millions of people, no food or water. Oppressed people living in refugee camps. Children whose only crime was being born in the wrong place at the wrong time. Overpopulation. Mother Nature has a way of cullin the herd.
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i am from the midwest and my family is from that area.
it is accurate. they get together and get it done. they do it everytime.
it's a totally different mentality in the midwest.
from this persons point of view it is one of the very best, and i think that the entire country could learn from the example.
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Nice pics Zeta
You're right... it was just one big party.
warning link shows a flood victim
http://www.thetalentshow.org/images/katrina_flood_31.jpg
(http://www.edf.org/content_images/katrina_flood_hi.jpg)
(http://www.visualfuturist.com/orleans/art/katrina_flooded.jpg)
:huh
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Nice pics Zeta
You're right... it was just one big party.
warning link shows a flood victim
http://www.thetalentshow.org/images/katrina_flood_31.jpg
(http://www.edf.org/content_images/katrina_flood_hi.jpg)
(http://www.visualfuturist.com/orleans/art/katrina_flooded.jpg)
:huh
shall I post some hurricane andrew pics from miami ?? ............ my post was spot-on.
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How exactlly would you sand bag miles of levies? It's one thing to sandbag a dam or a small location, but you do understand there are miles of levies in New Orleans? So exactlly where did you expect them to start?
I remember reading somewhere that the reason why NO flooded so badly was because of the levies.
because of the levies the Mississippi doesnt deposit sediment like it should in the gulf
which in turn makes NO sink farther and farther below sealevel.
i say let the bastage flood, and then turn it into America's Venice
As for the rest of the communities along the Missisip
I'll never understand why they havent figured out that they can build homes that are elevated above the high water line.
Then they wouldnt have to rebuild EVERYTHING every few years
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No roving bands of thugs.
No rioting/looting to speak of.
Everyone sort of pulling together.......and the worst is yet to come.
No big public outcry of "GIMME".
Just hard work and doing what needs to be done.
A disaster is a disaster.......period.
You do the math.
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Dynamite, you'll be amazed, AMAZED I tell ya! to learn that they did continue the party here in Houston after they were so graciously met by volunteers who had dry blankets and warm food waiting for them only to be met with questions like, "Where's my *this*?" and "Where's my *that*?" with no, absolutely no thanks for providing them with clothing and food. The riots and looting that happned in Houston after the refugees got here was far worse than most people know. Our beloved local news didn't report it very much, if at all. The store I worked at got broken into 3 times within four weeks of Katrina. Before that it was never broken into. So, yeah, to them it was a party. And Houston is still footing the bill for it.
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Inner city black culture has failed. It has a super-high proportion of poverty and anti-social behavior.
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Inner city black culture has failed. It has a super-high proportion of poverty and anti-social behavior.
.........it's not a "black" thing. it could very well have been whites. the enemy in this discussion is two generations of people living on government entitlements..literally nothing but government entitlements. an entire society called new orleans......that yes, in this case happens to be predominantly black.
If you raise two entire generations of any group of people on government entitlements (welfare) this is to be the expected result. A society that can no longer stand on their own two feet....is completely and totally dependent of the government for their every need...and will collapse under the slightest of emergencies......not to mention riot, loot and kill under the most dire ...rather than coming together and helping each other out...which is something absolutely foreign to them.
new orleans is a living/dying example of liberal based "government entitlement mentality" politics gone bad.
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No roving bands of thugs.
No rioting/looting to speak of.
Everyone sort of pulling together.......and the worst is yet to come.
No big public outcry of "GIMME".
Just hard work and doing what needs to be done.
A disaster is a disaster.......period.
You do the math.
Nobody blaming President Bush when it's the Governers and the Mayors fault for N.O. castrophy. And I read a report accusing some people in N.O. for stealing relief checks. Pitiful.
In Iowa, they are re-building on their own, not asking for government checks nothing.
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you apologists for the feral aholes in orleans need to realize that even the cops there were looting stores. that the police were going door to door and taking the guns from the people... that groups of thugs were driving around looting and raping.
In the midwest the people were helping each other and so far as I know.. the cops aren't looting.. the people aren't looting and raping and the police are not breaking into peoples houses and taking away their means to defend themselves.
The people of the midwest may not be perfect but they are so far from the worst of orleans as to be another species.
lazs
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you apologists for the feral aholes in orleans need to realize that even the cops there were looting stores. that the police were going door to door and taking the guns from the people... that groups of thugs were driving around looting and raping.
In the midwest the people were helping each other and so far as I know.. the cops aren't looting.. the people aren't looting and raping and the police are not breaking into peoples houses and taking away their means to defend themselves.
The people of the midwest may not be perfect but they are so far from the worst of orleans as to be another species.
lazs
Didn't the police in N.O. break into a cadallic dealer and steal all the cars? :O
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That would be really stupid but...
We have all seen the vid of the extremely fat and surly negro woman cops pushing a shopping cart full of shoes and such in a evacuated walmart.. they were looting and they were threatening the people who were taking the vid.
I have no idea if race is a factor... I know that like zeta says, the welfare state and entitlement culture is a huge part. I don't think negros of 80 years ago would have acted that way. I think it started with the great society of LBJ and the first watts riots should have shown us the future.
If you are used to working and helping folks and being polite then that is how you will be in a disaster.. if you are used to being given everything for doing nothing and getting even more if you steal or whine then that is how you will act when a disaster strikes.
None of you hypocrites and apologists would admit that in a disaster.. you would hate to be in a welfare area. You would all rather be in an area where everyone works and pulls their own weight.
lazs
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That would be really stupid but...
We have all seen the vid of the extremely fat and surly negro woman cops pushing a shopping cart full of shoes and such in a evacuated walmart.. they were looting and they were threatening the people who were taking the vid.
I have no idea if race is a factor... I know that like zeta says, the welfare state and entitlement culture is a huge part. I don't think negros of 80 years ago would have acted that way. I think it started with the great society of LBJ and the first watts riots should have shown us the future.
If you are used to working and helping folks and being polite then that is how you will be in a disaster.. if you are used to being given everything for doing nothing and getting even more if you steal or whine then that is how you will act when a disaster strikes.
None of you hypocrites and apologists would admit that in a disaster.. you would hate to be in a welfare area. You would all rather be in an area where everyone works and pulls their own weight.
lazs
They should make a requirement for welfare to atleast graduate highschool. I guarantee that our dropout rate will be less than 10% of what it used to be.
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How would you do that? the democrats and the media would parade people out on the news every nite with starving babies and hard luck stories till you felt so guilty that you went back to giving the money to any pimp who asked for it.
Once you start on that slope.. how do you set limits? in a socialism world where there is no right or wrong.. only gray areas.. How do you make rules that are just?
lazs
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Actually, in a pre-socialism world, you are a bad guy if you are honest, hard working and actually try to do your part for your country and the community. What still amazes me is though, how these people want to make America like that. :mad:
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Once you start on that slope.. how do you set limits? in a socialism world where there is no right or wrong.. only gray areas.. How do you make rules that are just?
lazs
good place to start....two methods:
* recipients are given a non-negotiable date when ALL benefits run-out.
* constant drug testing. blow it...and lose your benefits.
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not even sure that they are capable of knowing what they want at this point. They have been endoctrinated to believe that they are being treated unfairly and that they deserve the handouts for so long now.. so many generations.. that they lack any ability to see clearly anymore one way or the other.
In that respect well meaning liberal white people with their idea of a socialist utopia are far more to blame than the people they have made dependent.
You can get an outline of how it all works by reading some entertaining fiction like Ayn Rand's books.
lazs
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zeta.. I agree but that is because I am an individualist and heartless and insensitive.. as would you have to be when the 10 oclock news paraded out the poor starving children and the "good mother" who just made a mistake.
You would be portrayed as an ogre if you had the power and heartless by your peers if you did not. We have gone to far down the slope for any such program to not be rife with corruption and ill fated good intentions.
The ACLU would attack every effort to drug test or put time limits on welfare.. or require work.. there would be all sorts of "gray" area cases paraded out to show how mean we were all being..
It is like the three strikes law... constantly it is shown how some poor 3 time violent felon is being treated mean or unfairly.
lazs
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No question welfare is a disaster. I will always however, take exception to lazs' contention that people act that way due to their skin color. That, my friends is just plain ignorant.
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Well, I guess the best thing for me to do is to just watch and see what happens... Nothing I can do about it.. I'm 15 (shoot and I'm smarter than most of those democrats in politics...)
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mt... where did I say that skin color had anything to do with it? How would I know? I am simply saying that things are what they are.. I leave it to you to read the chicken bones or tarot cards and say why.
I do think tho that white liberal socialists are the most to blame for the mess.. who knows... maybe if they had done the same to a group of isolated whites for generations we would get the same results.
I don't even care to tell the truth. The facts are that they chose negros to experiment on.. as a result.. those people are now amoung the worst citizens of this country. they have destroyed those people.
On a personal level.. I can see that but that doesn't make me stupid enough to not see it and avoid these ruined souls. I am not here to fix it only to observe and avoid. I can't fix it because I don't have the power so I do the only logical thing and avoid the people the liberals have created.
lazs
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mt... where did I say that skin color had anything to do with it? How would I know? I am simply saying that things are what they are.. I leave it to you to read the chicken bones or tarot cards and say why.
I do think tho that white liberal socialists are the most to blame for the mess.. who knows... maybe if they had done the same to a group of isolated whites for generations we would get the same results.
I don't even care to tell the truth. The facts are that they chose negros to experiment on.. as a result.. those people are now amoung the worst citizens of this country. they have destroyed those people.
On a personal level.. I can see that but that doesn't make me stupid enough to not see it and avoid these ruined souls. I am not here to fix it only to observe and avoid. I can't fix it because I don't have the power so I do the only logical thing and avoid the people the liberals have created.
lazs
Yep, and liberals say that "only criminals carry guns" and they wanna out law them too. After guns are outlawed, it'll be a fact.
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How exactlly would you sand bag miles of levies? It's one thing to sandbag a dam or a small location, but you do understand there are miles of levies in New Orleans? So exactlly where did you expect them to start?
Well in 93 when I was there (Keokuk Iowa) we sandbagged miles of levies with boats, 4 wheelers, pickups, and dump trucks. We had hundreds of regular people filling, hauling, and stacking sandbags. We had the National Guard out in force with their heavy equipment and personel to haul bags. We even had inmates from several minimum security prisons and county jails who voluntered, out on the levies stacking bags, and in the sand pits filling them. Why did all these people do all this work? Because they live there and they take pride in their towns and the neighbors. I know of one guy that had lost his home in 93. A levie gave way and his home was gone. The resturant he owned was OK though. Even after he lost his home he was still bringing free food from his resturant out to people working on the other levies because it was something he could do to help. Others had lost everything and were living in shelters, yet they still came out everyday to help so other wouldn't go through what they were going through.
The differance between the midwest in 93 and now, vs New Orleans is that the folks in the midwest tend to do for themselves rather than wait for the gubment to do for them like in New Orleans.
That may sound harsh but its the truth. I've lived in both places and I know first hand the differance in how people from both areas think.
At least the flooding on the Mississippi river this time isn't quite as bad as it was in 93. It's close but it could be worse.
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1300 people lost their lives ...they were told to leave and they never.....hense they died.
In New Orleans
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Well in 93 when I was there (Keokuk Iowa) we sandbagged miles of levies with boats, 4 wheelers, pickups, and dump trucks. We had hundreds of regular people filling, hauling, and stacking sandbags. We had the National Guard out in force with their heavy equipment and personel to haul bags. We even had inmates from several minimum security prisons and county jails who voluntered, out on the levies stacking bags, and in the sand pits filling them. Why did all these people do all this work? Because they live there and they take pride in their towns and the neighbors. I know of one guy that had lost his home in 93. A levie gave way and his home was gone. The resturant he owned was OK though. Even after he lost his home he was still bringing free food from his resturant out to people working on the other levies because it was something he could do to help. Others had lost everything and were living in shelters, yet they still came out everyday to help so other wouldn't go through what they were going through.
The differance between the midwest in 93 and now, vs New Orleans is that the folks in the midwest tend to do for themselves rather than wait for the gubment to do for them like in New Orleans.
That may sound harsh but its the truth. I've lived in both places and I know first hand the differance in how people from both areas think.
At least the flooding on the Mississippi river this time isn't quite as bad as it was in 93. It's close but it could be worse.
Yet again you mis the entire point about sand bags would do nothing.. The levies washed out, one was hit by a barge that got loose. No amount of sand bags was going to stop the flooding once the levies gave way. It's a entirely different scenario than in the Midwest and the Midwest isn't under sea level.
Hurricanes are also a much different animal and NO wasn't the expected target until the last min. With a hurricane you have maybe two days at best notice of where it will hit and then it's not certain until it hits where exactly it will go. With those two days you are lucky to get your house boarded up and get the hell out of the way because of traffic jams and gas shortages.
You damn sure don't have time to sit around filling sand bags.. N.O. was "the" worst case scenario and something that has never happened before.
The Midwest deals with floods every few years. N.O. has never been hit by a hurricane like that, so how can you expect them to be prepared when not even the federal govt was prepared for it. Again you talk about the National Guard helping you. Well again I will tell you the National Guard is never brought in "before" the storm with a hurricane. They are brought in after with N.O. it was days after.
Unless you have lived where a major hurricane has hit, well you just have no idea what it's like. Hurricanes and floods are apples and oranges and if you think people have time to sit around filling sand bags when a category 4 or 5 is heading your way you are off your rocker. I live in Florida and I've been though several Hurricanes and I can tell half you you guys itching have never experienced one.
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I live in Florida
My condolences.
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I've been through a few Hurricanes, so I'm with you on this one Crockett.
And Lasz, please (sincerely) please stop referring to Black American's a 'negros' while it was socially acceptable up until the 60's it's not exactly kosher anymore. It's your call, but I thought I would ask nicely.
Thanks
Oh and Diablo... I believe you that Houston got screwed. I'm sorry for that. We in D.C. had a spike too... And while there were definitely folks who have abused the system, I believe that the majority of the people displaced by Katrina are good folks that got kicked in the arse by mother nature. I work directly with poor populations and had extensive contact with folks from N.O. after Katrina... and while there were a few that I would have loved to choke, the vast majority were grateful for the assistance and looking for jobs and places to rent (not be given). I met a ton of heroic folks from N.O. and that's why when I hear blanket statements made about them it gets my Irish Up.
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Well, I guess the best thing for me to do is to just watch and see what happens... Nothing I can do about it.. I'm 15 (shoot and I'm smarter than most of those democrats in politics...)
No kid, you aren't. But you're young enough to work on it.
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No kid, you aren't. But you're young enough to work on it.
Ok, not most... Can we agree on 33% ?
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LOL slip... no... not 33%, but I'll give you 27.5%
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LOL slip... no... not 33%, but I'll give you 27.5%
I'm willing to split the difference, give you the benefit of the rounding, and settle on 30%.
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Lets see, I've been through 4 direct hits by tornados, one of which was an F4 that leveled Altus AFB in 1984, the flood of 1993 on the upper Mississippi, the Blizzard of 95 in New Jersey, hurricane Floyd and Isabel, and 1 small earth quake while in Petaluma CA.
So yeah I've been in the middle of my share of natural disasters and unnatural ones as well, Desert Storm, and New York City right after 9/11 (deployed the morning of 9/12 for 45 days of Port Security)
So yeah I do have an idea, thank you very much.
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I'm willing to split the difference, give you the benefit of the rounding, and settle on 30%.
28.375% and that's my final offer!
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28.375% and that's my final offer!
Fine, you've got backed against a wall.
(little does he know I was willing to settle for 12.5%)
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I am one of those Iowa Guard members that went to assist in the floods. (I'm a Iowa Guard member from Nebraska) I spent my first few days working nights in Cedar Rapids patrolling the flood areas (as the water retreated) for looters. I also manned check points and it just broke my heart to talk to some of these people that owned houses in the flooded areas. I HATED to be the one to tell them they couldn't go to see their house's yet even though the flood waters had receded.
I later spent a few days in SE Iowa helping to tend to a levee that was leaking and the volunteers that came were absolutely AMAZING. I remember a hispanic family from TEXAS that were out on the levee helping us. They had 3 of their kids with them and youngs was about 10 and they all worked like they were trying to save their OWN house. Another was a 80 year old man that didn't live in the area anymore but grew up there and wouldn't be able to stand seeing it destroyed.
I don't mean this as a "we are better than you" comment because I wasn't in New Orleans but what I CAN say for sure is..
The people in the midwest/great plains area ALWAYS pull together when their neighbor needs a hand. I've seen it time and time again and it's a truely amazing thing to see.
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Well we have to realize that when you're comparing the Midwest vs New Orleans debate that it can't be limited to region, but also the urbanization of the two areas. New Orleans is what? About a million in the metro area? These towns you see on TV in Iowa etc are pretty darn small as compared to that of NO. I grew up in a small Wisconsin town of 4-5K people and went to UW-Madison. I can tell you the 'types' and qualities of people from these two towns are night an day. I don't believe it's necessarily a race thing either. The differences I saw are in vastly white predominant areas (99% and about 83%).
Now granted this is my opinion of one example of my short 25 year life. Take it for what it's worth.
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"I grew up in a small Wisconsin town"
which one?
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"I grew up in a small Wisconsin town"
which one?
Medford
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=MEdford,+WI&ie=UTF8&ll=45.093883,-90.242386&spn=0.252546,0.514984&z=11&iwloc=addr
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http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Marshall,+WI&ie=UTF8&z=14&iwloc=addr
Marshall. pop 2000 when I lived there in 1973 for a year.
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.........it's not a "black" thing. it could very well have been whites. the enemy in this discussion is two generations of people living on government entitlements..literally nothing but government entitlements. an entire society called new orleans......that yes, in this case happens to be predominantly black.
If you raise two entire generations of any group of people on government entitlements (welfare) this is to be the expected result. A society that can no longer stand on their own two feet....is completely and totally dependent of the government for their every need...and will collapse under the slightest of emergencies......not to mention riot, loot and kill under the most dire ...rather than coming together and helping each other out...which is something absolutely foreign to them.
new orleans is a living/dying example of liberal based "government entitlement mentality" politics gone bad.
Like I said, inner city black culture has failed. Also, don't use ... in your sentences. That's not what its for.
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See Rules #4, #5
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http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Marshall,+WI&ie=UTF8&z=14&iwloc=addr
Marshall. pop 2000 when I lived there in 1973 for a year.
Nice, Google has Streetview of it.
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I have spent a lot of time in New Orleans before the hurricane and after and I live in Iowa. In my judgement its not a white thing or a black thing its an attitude thing.
In the Midwest we know the police aren't going to leave their jobs when we need them most. When the National Guard comes in they can spend time on the disaster not maintaining order.
The officials and all the residents of New Orleans all knew they were in a danger zone. They knew that a direct hit would be catastrophic. Every time I was in New Orleans it was mentioned. Blame the officials in New Orleans. The police became part of the problem. The elected officials were slow to react. Criminally slow.
Where were the local officials when the hurricane struck? There was little national help for 3 or 4 days after the hurricane. George Bush sends a memo then goes on fund raising tour, that's not leadership...He tours the damage from a airplane 3(5) days later? The governor (Dem) in reference to the superdome "Don't send them relief, they won't want to leave"
Put the partisan politics aside. It was a failure of government. At every level. And given that the citizens held no one accountable it will happen again. In Iowa we still had a government that worked.
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I have spent a lot of time in New Orleans before the hurricane and after and I live in Iowa. In my judgement its not a white thing or a black thing its an attitude thing.
In the Midwest we know the police aren't going to leave their jobs when we need them most. When the National Guard comes in they can spend time on the disaster not maintaining order.
The officials and all the residents of New Orleans all knew they were in a danger zone. They knew that a direct hit would be catastrophic. Every time I was in New Orleans it was mentioned. Blame the officials in New Orleans. The police became part of the problem. The elected officials were slow to react. Criminally slow.
Where were the local officials when the hurricane struck? There was little national help for 3 or 4 days after the hurricane. George Bush sends a memo then goes on fund raising tour, that's not leadership...He tours the damage from a airplane 3(5) days later? The governor (Dem) in reference to the superdome "Don't send them relief, they won't want to leave"
Put the partisan politics aside. It was a failure of government. At every level. And given that the citizens held no one accountable it will happen again. In Iowa we still had a government that worked.
The Levee broke 2 days after the hurricane was over. Bush didn't need to come down as quickly until he found out that happened. I'm pretty sure things were under a bit more control than they were after the leveys broke.
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Also, don't use ... in your sentences. That's not what its for.
good luck with that.............
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for me using ........................helps to emphasize a dramatic pause........................ ...........as if to make..................a...... ...........profound.......... ........................point .
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It....also................... ......reminds................ ............................. ............................. .........................me a lot.......................... ............................. ...of...Nash. Sorry, got lost in thought there.
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See Rule #2
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The Levee broke 2 days after the hurricane was over. Bush didn't need to come down as quickly until he found out that happened. I'm pretty sure things were under a bit more control than they were after the leveys broke.
Maybe you should take some time and "read" the history time line of the storm, because you don't seem to know as much as you think you know. Here I'll help you out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Hurricane_Katrina
Area's of the city were already under 10 ft of water the day the storm hit, the levies were broken and flooding the city the day the storm hit not two days later. Maybe you should really read a bit and learn what "actually" happened before you make blanket judgments on people when you know so little about what happened to them.
It took a week to get the first levie secured to the point they could start pumping water out. It also took from Monday the day the storm hit, to the following Thursday to evacuate the people stranded in the Superdome.
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It also took from Monday the day the storm hit, to the following Thursday to evacuate the people stranded in the Superdome.
Yeah....it gets a little dicey when people are shooting at rescue choppers and rescue vehicles, etc.
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Yeah....it gets a little dicey when people are shooting at rescue choppers and rescue vehicles, etc.
Yea why was that? Humm could it be maybe because there was no order? No police, no national guard?
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Yea why was that? Humm could it be maybe because there was no order? No police, no national guard?
Nah, the guard was convoying North out of the destruction zone and the police that kept their uniforms on were rolling around looting convenience stores and confiscating guns from law abiders.
All this while bodies were rotting in plain view of world media. The state government failed tragically, they should have been prepared, the local municipalities failed in every regard, they should have had a plan to deal with the disaster...instead everyone was loitering around the stadium for bush the george to finish a round of golf and send brownies. Was the most disgusting spectacle I have seen as a citizen of this country
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See Rule #2
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Yea why was that? Humm could it be maybe because there was no order? No police, no national guard?
No, it was because the roving bands and idiots were morons.
Make all the excuses you wish.
There is just no denying the facts.
You can`t make cherry pie out of lemons.
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No, it was because the roving bands and idiots were morons.
Make all the excuses you wish.
There is just no denying the facts.
You can`t make cherry pie out of lemons.
You know..Some crazy guy out west a few years ago welded up his bulldozer with plate steal and bulldozed a small town. Then of course we have the Oklahoma Federal Building bombing. I mean I guess from a few people's actions we could say.. hey better watch out those Folks in the Mid West they support terrorism.
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Yea why was that? Humm could it be maybe because there was no order? No police, no national guard?
No because they were withdrawing for meth alcohol and other Illegal drugs!!
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How exactlly would you sand bag miles of levies? It's one thing to sandbag a dam or a small location, but you do understand there are miles of levies in New Orleans? So exactlly where did you expect them to start?
The difference isn't about sand bagging. It's about one groups reaction being "get to work" and the other group holding thier hands out.
Tumor
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... Was the most disgusting spectacle I have seen as a citizen of this country...
...worse that The Golden Girls?
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The difference isn't about sand bagging. It's about one groups reaction being "get to work" and the other group holding thier hands out.
Tumor
:aok
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New Orleans was and maybe is one of the lowest educated group of people. I saw that somewhere. I think that makes a difference. My brother lived there for 2 years. He said it was pitiful. He would point out the schools are right down the street and they refused to go.
I also think that they had a mindset to wait on the government to things since many were on welfare.
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dynomite.. where did you get that definition from? I really don't have time to mess with people who insist that others call them something different every few decades.
negro is a neutral term still in use.
This is from websters....
1. of, designating, or characteristic of one of the traditional racial divisions of humankind, generally marked by brown to black skin, dark eyes, and woolly or crisp hair and including esp. the indigenous peoples of sub-Saharan Africa. — n.2. a member of the peoples traditionally classified as the Negro race. [1545–55; < Sp and Pg negro black < L nigrum, masc. acc. of niger black]
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Maybe someday we will all just ignore race and call people... people
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Maybe someday we will all just ignore race and call people... people
that was indeed the idea that martin luther king talked about.......and one I believed could happen...
then we got ms black america, the congressional black caucus, black entertainment television, kwanzaa, and a host of other "black-only" groups...making it look like black america does not share the vision king had........by indeed choosing to divide and segregate "by color"...
king took a bullet for his work...and now he rolls in his grave when he sees the highly disproportionate number of black dead beat dads, black high school drop-outs, and black "entertainers" talking about women like they were property, using the N word, and preaching crime over hard work.
I truly believe those people I mention above spit in king's face.......and memory........and think of him only as a holiday.
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Unfortunately many if not all of the groups you mention were necessary for Blacks to have any chance at education or a fair shake in general. I hope they all go away someday too.