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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wingnutt on June 19, 2008, 11:45:50 PM
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This got me a little miffed the other day...
I was in my garage in my apartment, my BBQ pit was about 8 feet out in my driveway, car parked just behind it.
I was sitting there drinking a beer in a chair watching the pit temp and doing your typical BBQ rituals..
anywho, a police cruiser comes driving through the complex, drives past my garage etc etc.. no biggie, Im still just sitting there.
he drives by again, the decides to park, perhaps 100 feet away in front of the building opposite mine.
I still really think nothing of this, I figure maybe he knows someone who lives here or something, crime rate in this are is virtually 0 so Im pretty sure hes not here looking for some hoodlums.
Anyway He gets out of his car and walks over.
"How ya doin today!" He asks
"So far so good, (insert some small talk about the hot weather here)
"You really cant be drinking here"
I was a bit thrown..
"What, what do you mean?"
"you cant consume alcohol in a public place, or in view of the public.."
At this point utter confusion has set in and the meager buzz I was working on has vanished, much to my chagrin.
I stammer.. "This, this is my apartment"
He nods "your visible from public property, so you still in public, if someone wanted to give you a hard time, it could go as far as a PI and a trip to Jail, just wanted to let ya know."
Now, the cop was nice, damn nice for a cop, seemed like a cool guy actually, but after he left, the more I though about it, the more it pissed me off.
The apartment complex, is private property, with signs attesting to that fact..
So im drinking in public? and could potentially get taken to jail for public drunkenness... for sitting in a chair, IN MY GARAGE.. which is private property, in my apartment complex.. which itself is private property.. drinking a cold one.
Im no lawyer, but, that just seems, rather Odd.
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Read your lease. Probably something in there about it. Apartment dwellers have very few homeowner rights.
Quick solution, use the backyard next time. Sounds like the cop was trying to let you know that.
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But let's say he was drinking on his balcony from the 2nd floor, in full view. Would that still be public drinking?
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Sounds over the top to me.
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Read your lease. Probably something in there about it. Apartment dwellers have very few homeowner rights.
Quick solution, use the backyard next time. Sounds like the cop was trying to let you know that.
no backyard, would be nice..
what gets me is if a person were to get "busted" for doing exactly what I was doing, it would be for.. what? what a menace to the public, a guy sitting in his garage drinking a beer, waiting on the grill.. need to get that guy off the street ASAP. awesome allocation of police resources/tax payer money.
to say nothing of the implications.. what if your sitting in your living room drinking a beer and cop walks by on the sidewalk and sees you... your visable from a public place, same as I was, actually more so.. your in your home, but so was I.. so.. cop gonna knock on your front door and drag you outside give you a sobriety test and take ya to jail?
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Ah, very good question. The unfortunate fact is the government has set a morality standard and you are required to be a good little citizen and live by it. If you don't you go to jail. Then, you are in "the system".
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Geesh this is not Rocket Science. Place your drink into a different cup. Hell if yer slammin a bottle to yer lips that has a Jim Beam or Budweiser label on it you are just broadcasting.
We had this Assistant to the Assistant to the Assistant..it goes on and on, at the Univ of Maryland night courses Asian Division in Korea. His soul purpose in life seemed to burst into a class, disrupt it and belittle students that had a drink next to their proximity. I got really tired of his affectionate displays of BS. So during a break I had purchased a cup from Burger King... just a cup, lid and straw, nothing inside. Placed it next to my desk in class and with bait set...waited. Huntin Weasel.
It didn't take long before he burst into the room with his eyes set upon me... He loudly demanded that I toss my drink out and wanted my name and I was in serious watermelon for having a drink in a classroom. He was shocked when I asked him why I should toss out a perfectly good cup that has never been used. I pulled off the lid and held it upsidedown...nothing. Speechless, yet stuttering he left. You could hear a pin drop, then laughter. He never did that crap to anyone again.
Just think ahead of the forehead. Assumptions will attract attention and if you label something, or have a label on it, then those with wishful power will want to crimp your style.
Just my experience.
Mac
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God...I really hate to admit it...but...
Mac has a point.
If you can't be good, be brilliant!
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Sometimes it pays off being smarter than the critters.
Man I could tell you of other stuff I pulled.
Best critters were Lt's, Capt's and an occasional Maj in the Army.
Devastated a Marine Gunney Sgt from the White House Communications Staff once...
I have sometimes an evil sense of humor.
Hell I even owe Al Haig an apollogy but won't give it until he's to old to swing on me. Time is near.
BTW I won and it pisssed him off to no end.
:D
Mac
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God...I really hate to admit it...but...
Mac has a point.
If you can't be good, be brilliant!
Thanx Diablo, I like you too. Now get off my shin.
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Too high, was your ankle.
Damn you're getting old...
Hehe
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You were deffinately hittin shin...it's okay got you away before you starched it.
:D
Mac
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Damn...was so thin I could swear it was ankle...damn old men and their skinny legs!
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Damn...was so thin I could swear it was ankle...damn old men and their skinny legs!
That happens when yer a Weiner Dog.
:D
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Weiner dog or doberman, a skinny leg is a skinny leg! Yes sir!
:)
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Callin it a night... it's been fun Diablo <S>
CYA latr Bro.
Mac
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Where do you live Wingnutt?
Anyway, if you can be jailed for having a beer in your own garage, I'd move :D
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Conform comrad.
The government knows what is best for us all.
............................. Right?
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bad laws make criminals out of all of us.
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Where do you live Wingnutt?
Anyway, if you can be jailed for having a beer in your own garage, I'd move :D
It's wierd, he lives in Texas too. I'd understand this somewhere else but Texas?!? :noid
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apartments suck...
You really are drinking in public if it is not on your property.. this case is a little over the top tho.
We are simply losing our freedoms.. For our own good of course. Back when I was in construction starting out.. you could drink on the job.. if you were a contractor you could be drinking on the job or let your guys drink.. most had a few beers during break or lunch.
The laws changed and the times changed and it was just "too risky" to let adults make that decision sooooo... it was no longer allowed.
You can be "brilliant" but it doesn't work.. everyone got those wraps for their beer that looked like a softdrink label.. I used to buy a 7 up and pour it out and pour in beer.. you don't see people doing that anymore. we have simply lost the choice.
I take my seatbelt and pull it around the headrest.. it looks like I am wearing it from most angles... I have not got a ticket in 50,000 miles in that car but.. it is mostly because most of you sheep blindly obey the seatbelt law so they don't even look much anymore.
lazs
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apartments suck...
You really are drinking in public if it is not on your property.. this case is a little over the top tho.
We are simply losing our freedoms.. For our own good of course. Back when I was in construction starting out.. you could drink on the job.. if you were a contractor you could be drinking on the job or let your guys drink.. most had a few beers during break or lunch.
The laws changed and the times changed and it was just "too risky" to let adults make that decision sooooo... it was no longer allowed.
You can be "brilliant" but it doesn't work.. everyone got those wraps for their beer that looked like a softdrink label.. I used to buy a 7 up and pour it out and pour in beer.. you don't see people doing that anymore. we have simply lost the choice.
I take my seatbelt and pull it around the headrest.. it looks like I am wearing it from most angles... I have not got a ticket in 50,000 miles in that car but.. it is mostly because most of you sheep blindly obey the seatbelt law so they don't even look much anymore.
lazs
Seatbelt laws are actually kinda there for your own good. I got in a wreck wearing my Seatbelt wrong and busted my head open on the window... it sucked. :eek:
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But let's say he was drinking on his balcony from the 2nd floor, in full view. Would that still be public drinking?
Good question. Same rules apply here, but they are never enforced unless some neighbour decides the party is annoying them and they call the cops. They would then tell ya to break it up or tell you to go inside.
The balcony thing i would not know about, but they could always take down your party if it is very loud after 23:00 and you annoy people.
Bought that Prius yet Diablo? :cool:
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yes..they are for my own good.. as is telling me what to eat or smoke or to not hike in the woods or climb trees or ride a motorcycle. It would probly be for my own good if someone told me what to wear and when and how to exercise too. Certainly.. dangerous sports would not be good for me.
Tell ya what.. why don't you let me decide if seatbelts are worth it to me or not?
lazs
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Geesh this is not Rocket Science. Place your drink into a different cup. Hell if yer slammin a bottle to yer lips that has a Jim Beam or Budweiser label on it you are just broadcasting.
you should see all the people in the south street area of philly doing this.......
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yes..they are for my own good.. as is telling me what to eat or smoke or to not hike in the woods or climb trees or ride a motorcycle. It would probly be for my own good if someone told me what to wear and when and how to exercise too. Certainly.. dangerous sports would not be good for me.
Tell ya what.. why don't you let me decide if seatbelts are worth it to me or not?
lazs
Okay... Only thing that scares me now is driving cars... My friend got into a car wreck last summer busted up the whole side of his face. That whole side is now metal, if he hadn't been wearing a seatbelt, it woulda killed him.
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And if you become disabled someone sure pays for you not wearing a belt (not that a belt always helps).
If it bothers or has a negative impact on others then it should be regulated, that is not a lack of the freedom you talk so warmly about. Too many people cannot be trusted to do the right thing. Freedom is all about. not having to suffer from other peoples idiot behavior.
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I had something similar happen to me a couple of years ago. During an OSU game day I was drinking on the front lawn of a house on campus and two bike cops rode by. I didn't think anything about it because I was not in the street or near the sidewalk or anything. They stopped and called me over. They seemed disappointed when they found out I was in my late 30's and not and not a student and warned me that I was technically in violation of the State's open container in public law. Because I was not the owner or a guest of the owner of the property I was considered in a public place. They were cool about it and advised me to stay on the front porch.
Ohio law prohibits:
"Having an open container of alcoholic beverage in a public place, regardless of your age. Public places are those which anyone can enter freely and include sidewalks, streets, tree lawns, some outdoor areas of apartment complexes, and inside parked or moving cars."
http://partysmart.osu.edu/ohio_laws.asp
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couple things.. you don't know what would have happened to him if he was or wasn't wearing a seatbelt. no matter what tho... it is his choice to make not yours. I can show a picture of a wreck were it is obvious that everyone who wasn't wearing a seatbelt would have been dead. I was in the backseat. no one was wearing a seatbelt and no one died.
as for nelson.. for you guys who think that now that I am forced to wear a seatbelt you save money.... what did you do with the big rebate the insurance company gave us all when the seatbelt law went into effect?
It is silly in any case.. I don't even have medical on my car insurance.. I have my own.. it costs others nothing.
still.. I would be willing to say to any insurance company that I wear em only in my hot rods and pay whatever extra premium that would be... just like those who have problems or risky behavior pay more for life insurance.
Would you forbid private aircraft of hiking or hang gliding because it raises your medical or life insurance rates? Of course... some of you socialist utopia types would but...
I am willing to pay for my behavior. You have no right to tell me what risks I can or cant take with my own life.
lazs
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What laz said...You should have the option of not wearing a seatbelt and pay a premium for it..Same with helmets.
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It's wierd, he lives in Texas too. I'd understand this somewhere else but Texas?!? :noid
Wow, Texas has really changed since I was last there. Back then you could drink in your car while driving down the street, and they had drive through liquor stores.
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couple things.. you don't know what would have happened to him if he was or wasn't wearing a seatbelt.
i've been in 2 accidents where i DO know what would've happened if i hadn't been wearing my belt.
1) head on(dam those friggin HO'rs!) with a saturn. i was in an 89 mustang gt...no airbag. without seatbelt, i'd have been impersonating superman as i went through the windshield.
2)94 mistubishi galant. on admiral wilson blvd in camden otw philly. kid ""pitted" us, the back end hit the curb, then whipped around and hit the curb again going backwards, launched in the air, landed on the d/s door, slid for a bit, then rolled. we were both hanging there from our seatbelts with the only injuries being kim's 2 broken fingernails, and a bad run in her hose :O i do seriously believe we'd have both been flung around inside that car rather badly without the seatbelts.
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What laz said...You should have the option of not wearing a seatbelt and pay a premium for it..Same with helmets.
death could be a fairly high premium, dontcha think?
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cap... unless you are god.. you do NOT know what would have happened.. you can take a good guess but that is all you can do.
As for death being a premium? what the hell do you care? Are you saying that my death or not is so important to you that you are willing to restrict my freedom of choice? you don't know me or give a damn about me... and you shouldn't. It is none of your business.. I will probly pee on your grave in any case because.. I learned how to drive. while you feel that the best way to stay safe is to armor yourself from the wrecks you will get in.. My choice is to not get in the damn wreck in the first place.
But that is not the point.. the point is that it is none of your business if my behavior does not cause you any danger or.. no reasonable danger.
So I ask.. what do you care if I risk my life or not?
lazs
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What laz said...You should have the option of not wearing a seatbelt and pay a premium for it..Same with helmets.
course the thought of getting hit head on at 60 miles per hour and me flying through a windshield and then skidding on the ground and dying kinda makes me wanna wear my seatbelt... :rolleyes:
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Everyone dies cap...Wouldn't you rather live on your own terms with regards to "personal safety"?
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The word "Public" needs to be clarified as it's way to broad now days. It's just like how they've cracked down on smoking in public buildings. You can't smoke in a bar/restaurant because it's a PUBLIC place......wait isn't that a private business?
When the tax payers start paying my bills to operate my business then it becomes a public place, until then it's private and you have the "choice" to come in and do business and deal with what goes on there. You don't like smoking? Fine stay the hell out of my bar/restaurant!
That cop IMO way overstepped his and your rights there as he had not been called or dispatched on a complaint about you drinking in your yard. Had you, as he was driving by, displayed some type of strange behavior, then IMO he would have had a reason to stop and possibly warn or arrest you for public intoxication.
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cap.. I support your right to wear a seatbelt.
I will even go so far as to say I support a law that makes it illegal to register a car that does not have em provided.
I would even let you climb hills or swim even though the guy I saw who fell 75 feet down a cliff face was not pretty and I have seen several people who have drowned.. one was days old.. not pretty.
Do as you wish so far as risking your own life or health. It is none of my frigging business.
lazs
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cap... unless you are god.. you do NOT know what would have happened.. you can take a good guess but that is all you can do.
As for death being a premium? what the hell do you care? Are you saying that my death or not is so important to you that you are willing to restrict my freedom of choice? you don't know me or give a damn about me... and you shouldn't. It is none of your business.. I will probly pee on your grave in any case because.. I learned how to drive. while you feel that the best way to stay safe is to armor yourself from the wrecks you will get in.. My choice is to not get in the damn wreck in the first place.
But that is not the point.. the point is that it is none of your business if my behavior does not cause you any danger or.. no reasonable danger.
So I ask.. what do you care if I risk my life or not?
lazs
well, because although i've never met ya, like to think that if i did, i might like ya, and i don't like seeing people i like get hurt from carelessness, or stupidity. i don't really agree with them being law, but i do think they're the smart choice. as for learnign to drive? those are the only 2 i've not managed to avoid. i've been driving since i was 17, drag racing since i was 18, and am generally an excellent driver. i learned to drive from some old guy that was excellent..namely my grandfather.
and no, i'm not God..but just using common sense, what do you think would've happened to me without my seatbelt in the headon? i was doing 45, and i imagine she was doing the same. that's basicly the equivilant of hitting a wall at 90mph. remember my car didn't have airbags.
know something that's funny? a few that don't like to wear their seatbelts in their cars, don't even think twice about putting them on in their airplanes. :D
anyway, don't be so pissy...i didn't mean to offend ya dude! smile, cheer up, and if i die before you do, i'll make sure it gets posted here where i'm buried so ya can pee on me grave. :D
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Everyone dies cap...Wouldn't you rather live on your own terms with regards to "personal safety"?
ya, i would, but i need to live longer. there's waaay too many people to piss off in the world.
seriously, i do understand what ya mean. i was only stating my opinion, and what happened to me......
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I'm with Laz on this one. We have let so many 'little' laws get passed that are 'there to protect us' that practically anybody can be cited for anything. I don't smoke and am, in fact, allergic to cigarette smoke. When I used to go to night clubs I knew I was going to have to deal with the environment I was headed to. Same with seat belts. I know they are safety devices but I think it should be my CHOICE to wear one or not. People are going to have to err on the side of the freedoms that this country was founded on and realize that every now and then life is going to jump up and take a healthy one out of the herd. You want to go rock climbing without safety gear? Okay but if you die or get injured to the point that you can't take care of yourself don't expect the government or the person that owns the land where you were rock climbing to write you a big fat check for being stupid. Quite honestly I'd probably be thankful that the gene pool just got a little cleaner.
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popcorn.. check :aok
beer.. check :aok
herb.. check :aok
freedom fries :huh oooops forgot em :cry
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popcorn.. check :aok
beer.. check :aok
herbes.. check :aok
freedom fries :huh oooops forgot em :cry
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course the thought of getting hit head on at 60 miles per hour and me flying through a windshield and then skidding on the ground and dying kinda makes me wanna wear my seatbelt... :rolleyes:
Yeah...the steering column ran through the chest would be much more comfortable.
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Land of the free...... ?...?? :huh
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Yeah...the steering column ran through the chest would be much more comfortable.
wasn't that hazard engineered out of most cars sometime in the 40s or 50s?
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Land of the free...... ?...?? :huh
those are just words to a song somebody tries to sing before sports events.
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yeah John at this point I think your probably right.
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those are just words to a song somebody tries to sing before sports events.
I always thought it was just a slogan describing sales taxes in Delaware.
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I cant even start the car without my seatbelt on.. just feels wierd..
as for MY issue.. before it was HIJACKED :cry
the main thing about the situation I experienced is the whole "slippery slope" scenario that takes place all too often with things like this..
1: i was on PRIVATE PROPERTY.. signs posted, no trespassing, residents and guests only.. etc etc
2: Im in MY garage, which again is private property..
3: IM NOT DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN SITTING IN A CHAIR DRINKING A BEER!
so im IN private property, ON private property.. but I could still be ticketed for open container, or even ARRESTED.. for being drunk.. in my own garage..
BBQing and drinking beer is American heritage dammit.. kinda like how the French have.... whatever the french do.. eat croissants and surrender.. bad example... Canadians.. its like.. HOCKEY.. YEA.. ok this is going nowhere.
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wasn't that hazard engineered out of most cars sometime in the 40s or 50s?
Not that you would actually notice.
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Next time you BBQ in the garage make sure the garage door is shut and close any windows.
Used alotta charcoal so you can get the cooking done really fast.
Then just sit back and drink a few brews...listen to maybe "Free Bird".
Makes for a relaxin day.
:P
Darwin Rules!
Mac
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Next time you BBQ in the garage make sure the garage door is shut and close any windows.
Used alotta charcoal so you can get the cooking done really fast.
Then just sit back and drink a few brews...listen to maybe "Free Bird".
Makes for a relaxin day.
:P
Darwin Rules!
Mac
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Yeah...the steering column ran through the chest would be much more comfortable.
steering columns are built to collapse.
on another note though, i've been thinking about this while working. these seatbelt laws are actually VERY ridicoulous. they KNOW that you aren't going to wear one if you don't want to. they are nothing more than a revenue generating method.
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Wow, Texas has really changed since I was last there. Back then you could drink in your car while driving down the street, and they had drive through liquor stores.
They still do have drive through liquor stores.
Odd thing I saw a few years ago was a drive through Margarita (sp?) place. My girlfriend & I were driving past ~ she says, "oh, we need to drive through & get a margarita sometime."
*blink* :confused: drive thru margaritas? I don't get it.
I get the drive through & get a case to take home... but a single drink? Seems rather irresponsible to me...
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They still do have drive through liquor stores.
Odd thing I saw a few years ago was a drive through Margarita (sp?) place. My girlfriend & I were driving past ~ she says, "oh, we need to drive through & get a margarita sometime."
*blink* :confused: drive thru margaritas? I don't get it.
I get the drive through & get a case to take home... but a single drink? Seems rather irresponsible to me...
been that way for a while, they sell you the drink in a cup with a lid on it ,(closed container) poke your straw thru,(open container)
as too the original problem, it is either a local code, or a dry county, that you are in,(why do you think the bums have there bottle in a bag)
if you go to Texas motor speedway or any other public venue or event that allows alcohol, then you can drink in public, up in my part of Texas you can drink outside if you want except in the parking lot of the store where you bought it, at least in the wet counties,
we go too the river pretty often, it is a public place,where most of the people there drink outside, heck i think you can still drink in the backseat of your car just not in the front,(open container law states the driver can not reach the booze,must be in the back seat or behind the front seat)
i keep my bottle in the tool box, just too be sure! :aok
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If drinking and driving is illegal, why do bars have parking lots?
Brought to you by a mass email I received a few weeks back
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If drinking and driving is illegal, why do bars have parking lots?
Brought to you by a mass email I received a few weeks back
I know there have been several instances where the police have pulled over a car after seeing it leave a bar, asked if the driver had been drinking. the driver responds no, that they are the designated driver.
officer tells the passengers to exit the vehicle, askes if they have been drinking, if they say yes, public intoxication, because they got out of the car.
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I know there have been several instances where the police have pulled over a car after seeing it leave a bar, asked if the driver had been drinking. the driver responds no, that they are the designated driver.
officer tells the passengers to exit the vehicle, askes if they have been drinking, if they say yes, public intoxication, because they got out of the car.
I was once given a field sobriety test by the LAPD somewhere in the neighborhood of Koreatown. They pulled me out, started checking my pupils, then gave me the regular list of questions, tasks to perform. Thing is, they pulled me out of the back seat after the Designated Driver ran a red.
Cops will be cops. They become cops for a reason, but when ideology gives way to reality, they often revert to being bullies. I'm cool with it because I'm pretty sure that if they saw us getting car jacked, or shot at, or mugged, bullies or not, they'd have done their job.
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Either the cop was a rookie, or having a bad day.
Either way, he was being a :huh
ROX
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And i thought the UK was a nanny state! :D
I spent the better part of yesterday celebrating my degree results drinking beer in the park at a bbq. The solution is simple- emigrate to a country where you can drink in public ;)
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Seatbelt laws are actually kinda there for your own good. I got in a wreck wearing my Seatbelt wrong and busted my head open on the window... it sucked. :eek:
While you may be correct in you statement IMHO you are INCORRECT in your attitude.
It should be your RIGHT to decide, not the Governments.
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I know there have been several instances where the police have pulled over a car after seeing it leave a bar, asked if the driver had been drinking. the driver responds no, that they are the designated driver.
officer tells the passengers to exit the vehicle, asks if they have been drinking, if they say yes, public intoxication, because they got out of the car.
FAKE!!!!!!
If the officer "ordered" the passenger out of the vehicle and he complied, even though he may be drunk he was obeying a police officers command. He can not be arrested for public intoxication in that instance and if he was he's got one heck of a lawsuit.
Had he not gotten out of the vehicle he would have be refusing a police officers command and then could have been arrested.
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FAKE!!!!!!
If the officer "ordered" the passenger out of the vehicle and he complied, even though he may be drunk he was obeying a police officers command. He can not be arrested for public intoxication in that instance and if he was he's got one heck of a lawsuit.
Had he not gotten out of the vehicle he would have be refusing a police officers command and then could have been arrested.
If the story is true, it's entrapment and it will end up in the dismissal of charges. I doubt a lawsuit would win, but you could try.
To the original poster.....
The apartment complex is privately owned property BUT is a multiple dwelling property that is not off limits to police. Police patrol apartment complexes for many reasons, all depending mostly on the caliber of neighborhood it is in.
He is correct that you are in a community area while consuming alcohol, which is illegal without a permit or permission from the legal owner or caretaker of the property. By your own admission.....
I was in my garage in my apartment, my BBQ pit was about 8 feet out in my driveway, car parked just behind it.
I was sitting there drinking a beer in a chair watching the pit temp and doing your typical BBQ rituals..
....you say that you are IN the garage in a chair. The BBQ is 8' from you in an area in front, and beyond, your garage door. I would assume by the phrase "doing your typical BBQ rituals", you made your way between the chair INSIDE the garage and the BBQ OUTSIDE the garage. (Remember the magical line of Breaking and Entering is the threshold of a door or window.) Had you remained IN the chair the ENTIRE time you were in the officer's plain view, you should not have had this encounter. I assume you were not in the chair.
Regardless of the semantics of 8 feet and PI, you were not causing any trouble. I assume nobody called in to say your music was too loud, you were drinking or any other reason people call the police. I assume that he OV'd you with an alcoholic beverage and took it upon himself to warn you about a possible infraction. He didn't take you to jail, write you a ticket or even ask for your ID (he has the right to ask for your ID for whatever reason he wishes and you have the lawful obligation to follow the request). I would be happy that the Police in your area are proactive enough to drive your complex, keep their eyes open and notice when things may not be right. That is admirable and shows that this officer and his department care enough to actually do their job and keep you safe.
For the record, I am LE and I could care less if you drink in front of your apartment so long as you do it peacefully.
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I have nice chairs with cup holders, cant take my beer with me, gotta flip, baste.. etc etc..
for the record, the entire time the cop was around, i never left the chair.
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He didn't take you to jail, write you a ticket or even ask for your ID (he has the right to ask for your ID for whatever reason he wishes and you have the lawful obligation to follow the request). I would be happy that the Police in your area are proactive enough to drive your complex, keep their eyes open and notice when things may not be right. That is admirable and shows that this officer and his department care enough to actually do their job and keep you safe.
For the record, I am LE and I could care less if you drink in front of your apartment so long as you do it peacefully.
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Yea, like I said, the officer was actually pretty cool about it, he didnt have the "cop aire" to him at all..
but it just buggs me that such a thing is actually possable.. getting arrested, in posted private property.. in a dwelling on said private property for "public intoxication"
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Here in Australia if you don't have a tinnie in your hand, dressed in a blue singlet, stubbies (shorts) that are at least one size too small and wearing thongs for at least 8 hours a day you are obviously gay. :aok
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Sounds like a cop just looking around on a slow day to me. If they pull up in my driveway and ask me to take my beer inside I am going to ask my lawyer buddy on the corner to come over and my preacher friend next door to come over as well. I might need help from God and the attorney by the time I get done on my property.
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thrilla.. you really have do not have much freedom.. you just are behind a little.. you can't smoke anymore in your "pubs" it won't be long before you can't drink in public.. there are lots of places here that you can. you also can't even take a sip of water in your car if you are driving so I really don't need to hear about freedom from some socialist.
lazs
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as for the topic.. You are not on private property... least not your private property.. the property is now under some weird "public property" thing like bars and eateries have become.. How do you think they banned smoking in bars?
Oh.. and cap or whoever who got in a 45 mph wreck and is convinced he woulda died without seatbelts.. the wreck I was in was in a corvair.. I was in the backseat.. we hit an oak tree at 45mph plus.. no one died. course..if we would have been wearing seatbelts then we would have been used in the stats as 3 guys whose lives were saved by em.
If you really like to think that you would like me then do the right thing and quit telling me what to do.. at the very least quit telling me what to do with the force of law behind it.
we have been manipulated by the insurance companies.
lazs
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that is something they do in the crime ridden neighborhoods around here. you don't see too many folks drinking in public anywhere other than the beach. the only restriction on the beaches are no glass containers but you can drink yourself into a stupor and drown in a rip tide with no one bothering you.
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Here in Australia if you don't have a tinnie in your hand, dressed in a blue singlet, stubbies (shorts) that are at least one size too small and wearing thongs for at least 8 hours a day you are obviously gay. :aok
Uh-o.....
That's my department's current Summer uniform.
I'll notify the chief!
:aok
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steering columns are built to collapse.
on another note though, i've been thinking about this while working. these seatbelt laws are actually VERY ridicoulous. they KNOW that you aren't going to wear one if you don't want to. they are nothing more than a revenue generating method.
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Yep.......and sometimes they "collapse" right into your chest. Seatbelts are meant to restrain. They don`t always do that either.
You are partially correct on the seatbelt laws. Sure they generate revenue just as all the stupid laws on the books.
It is much more of a control factor though. The chip, chip, chip sounds are your freedom and rights being slowly but surely taken away.
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Here in Australia if you don't have a tinnie in your hand, dressed in a blue singlet, stubbies (shorts) that are at least one size too small and wearing thongs for at least 8 hours a day you are obviously gay. :aok
Heheheheh true, although that doesn't apply to the beach. I suppose they don't want people leaving pull tops & bottles lying around, or mixing alcohol with testosterone and "bringing back the biff", or indeed impairing their powers of judgement then plunging into the surf and trying to drown their stupid selves, at which point the lifesavers have to put themselves at risk to go fish them out...
Anyway, true story, fellow I worked with in Germany, we'll call him Helmut Hansundfranz, spent a year on exchange in a U.S. university. Helmut and his fellow teutons arrived in late August, and it being a sunny Sunday afternoon, gathered on the balcony of the house they were renting to do the natural thing, have a beer. Well, of course, being on the balcony, Helmut and his friends are visible from the roadway.
Police cruiser rolls up. Now, the city fathers had, being the guardians of local morality, seen fit to implement a "zero tolerance" policy. Even if the cop had wanted just to give Helmut and his mates a friendly warning, he couldn't - he had no choice in the matter.
So, Helmut Hansundfranz and his friends are arrested and taken down to the station for processing.
Now, this being a university town, the city fathers and the uni admin have a policy of close cooperation on matters of substance abuse, it being a zero-tolerance environment and all. So, the incident is reported to the uni, and Helmut Hansundfranz is obliged to go along to for, shall we say, counselling.
Clearly, Helmut still really doesn't see the harm in having a beer, but is obliged to play along. Part of the counselling process is a series of health tests to determine the extent of the issue. No test, no tick from the counsellors. No tick from the counsellors, no continued presence on the student rolls. No presence on student rolls, no graduate back home. ("Mr. Blutarski ... all courses incomplete.") So, off he goes for his tests.
As it happens, Helmut had some kind of infection when he were but a lad, which caused him some harm and continues to affect his liver function. So, naturally, his tests come back, showing elevated indicators re: his liver.
"Mr. Hansundfranz, you have an alcohol problem."
"No, no I don't."
"Mr. Hansundfranz, acceptance is the first step to recovery."
"Look, I don't haff a problem viz alcohol."
"Mr. Hansundfranz, your tests show that you do."
"No I don't. I vill get you my medical records from Ger-many to prove it."
"Mr. Hansundfranz, this is the United States of America. We have the greatest health system in the world. We are not interested in your records from Germany."
"I'm not an alcoholic."
"Mr. Hansundfranz, why won't you admit your problem?"
And so on round and round in a Kafka-esque tragi-comedy in which the only way to end the issue was to admit to an illness he didn't have.
Managed to graduate though.
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I understand the letter of the law, but there's some gray area and I can't see being arrested for drinking a beer in the garage. Hell, maybe it's just that I'm used to seeing it everywhere out here. Being cited for drinking in public out here is a good punchline.
...and in regard to our National Anthem,
those are just words to a song somebody tries to sing before sports events.
Speak for yourself.
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And i thought the UK was a nanny state! :D
I spent the better part of yesterday celebrating my degree results drinking beer in the park at a bbq. The solution is simple- emigrate to a country where you can drink in public ;)
You mean like Louisiana? :)
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You mean like Louisiana? :)
He didn`t say a third world country. ;)