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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: oTRALFZo on June 21, 2008, 09:19:30 AM
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Ive been playing bish and AH for about 2 years now and only been on both darksides a couple times. Seems to me the bish has the most close ties with eachother, but some would disagree. how would you rate your country in this category
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bishops rule :aok
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I have heard that the bish are the tightest group in AH and perhaps the most cuddly, if reports of the Bish pajama parties are to be believed.
:noid
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chess pieces. nothing more. if there's someone i don't like flying with me, i'll change sides. if i need to to find a fight i'll change sides. doesn't really matter. i'm friendly with almost everyne in here,
<<S>>
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All countries are more or less the same. They have the same mixture of furballers, hordlings, strat guys, nice guys, jerks, characters, and jokesters. As well as the occasional gal.
I think perception of difference is just an opinion based on limited exposure/experience. I used to believe that there were certain traits but the more I flew with the folks on the three countries I realized it's pretty homogeneous.
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From my limited bouncing around Bish have been more friendly for sure, always some one in the area that says hello and most a great to fly with. Nits had some guys that talked and welcomed me there, Rooks i felt like I had Leprosy.
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if you fly on only one side all the time your missing out on two thirds of the people you could get to know. There are a number of guys I hate getting shot down by, and I used to really hate them. Now that I've flown with most of them from switching sides, most are nice guys, and fun to fly with. At least now they apologize after they shoot me down :D
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I have close ties with alot of players. Some from each country. I stay in Rookland but get to fly with about everyone at one time or another when they come to visit. Am I loyal to a chess piece? No, but my Squadron is Rooks only and I'm loyal to them. :salute
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Started out the game (three gameIDs ago) as a knight. Went Bishop this go round and have winged with a few rooks that I respect. I would have to agree that the Bish nation is the most loyal and has the most players that fly exclusively with their "country".
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i actually meet more people by dieing then anything else. one time me and this guy got to talking about how many hispano shots my 190-d took and didnt stop talking until i had to go.
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I've been playing this game now for 4 or 5 years. I honestly can't remember when I first joined.
I started out as a Bishop and my first name was SEgunner then it was SEstud. No offense to the SE's but I just got burned out playing as a Bish. I even tried to get the squad to go Knights but that was shot down.
I left the Bish and went Rook for about a week and not one person would say a word to me. I would give check 6's and say WTG to fellow Rook players but I was shunned.
The next week I went Knights and the guys and gals there are very cordial and fun to fly with. Within 2 weeks I was with the VMF441st BlackJacks and the rest is history.
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Bish are the most friendly, any time I end up back over there I have to spend a couple of minutes responding to everyone's greetings (which is a good thing). The Rooks, on the other hand, are harder to get along with in general but there are some fantastic characters over there. My squad flys Rooks most of the time so I spend most of my time with them. The Rooks are by far the most useful in a dogfight. I always find that there are more Rooks willing to jump in and help if you're in trouble (and actually make something of it while they're at it) than the other sides. No slight against the Bish, there just seems to be a larger group of 'fighter types' on the Rooks.
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All countries are more or less the same. They have the same mixture of furballers, hordlings, strat guys, nice guys, jerks, characters, and jokesters. As well as the occasional gal.
I think perception of difference is just an opinion based on limited exposure/experience. I used to believe that there were certain traits but the more I flew with the folks on the three countries I realized it's pretty homogeneous.
yup, I have no idea why people think one country is better/worse than the next.
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Where I did a little country hopping for a tour - I found Arch's point right - bish wont help you but are quite loyal, knits are quite friendly yet either horde or completely out numbered - and Rooks are generally better fighter pilots, but well we have drdeath, tripl5 and valdals
so yeah each country has its up and downs.
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My squad has flown all the countries and in the end they are all the same. Alot of squeakers, alot of armchair genrals, and alot Noobs ,but no matter where you go you will be able to find a few guys, that are helpful, intelligent, friendly and just fun to fly with. I say go with what ever chess piece fit you, cause it's really the same.
:rock
*actually rooks are better, I just had to give you the diplomatic answer first :devil......
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So far there are 17 squads in the Knights Alliance.
No sidehoppers.
It's our $15 bucks a month.
BTW: My hat is off to bishop's Falcon23 who does exactly the same thing on his side. :salute
There is also a rook that organizes and does the same thing on his side. :salute
ROX
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When I came to Aces High after the demise of AW I found 90% of my old school fighter jock friends were Rooks. At the time Rooks were HUGE underdogs with Bishops outnumbering them 3 to 1 24/7. It was a very rough environment to learn the game and is the root of my intense dislike of Bishops in general.
The axiom, "Birds of a feather flock together", holds true in AH. Those that say all countries are the same are completely FoS. There are squadrons and individuals unique and intensely loyal to each country that tend to sway the rest toward one style of play or another. These people help attract and retain like-minded souls, not everyone of course, there will always be mavericks and nonconformists, but the majority. I have proved this in the past with some famous threads that the oldies surely remember and you can <search> for. I will sum it up briefly here.
Bishops, in general, have little to no interest in a protracted air fight, they just want to take as many undefended fields per unit time as possible. Usually after they attack an undefended field with an overwhelming force and some resistance manages to form before they affect capture, they get their butts whipped. Instead of coming back to try again and create a furball they "mass-quit" and look for some other undefended field on the map to swarm. Bishops will always abandon a fight to join a mission to attack some undefended base on the edge of nowhere.
Bishops have a couple of very large squadrons composed largely of new players and/or those posessing very little individual fighter combat skill. This predominance tends to lend itself well to the creation of large missions which allow the relatively unskilled/inexperienced individuals to share some measure of success as a part of the mission they could not otherwise possibly hope to obtain alone.
Rooks are unabashed furballers, they are the antithesis to Bishops. Rooks will always forego base capturing if there's a furball to be had. In my opinion Rooks are the most fighter friendly country, but the least land-grab friendly one. Rooks are by far the best combat communicators and their mutual support in fights is very realistic and effective. This whole "fights-first" mindset is why the missions dudes get so frustrated on Rooks. If there's a good furball happening there's cricket's chirping in their mission rooms which naturally has an adverse effect on their effectiveness at the real estate aspect of the game.. Rooks have the highest proportion of experienced and talented fighter pilots and the lowest number of real estate broker types.
Knights are an amalgam, in a way I feel sorry for them as they lack the 'super-squads" that tend to generate country cohesiveness. Knights are decent at everything but great at nothing. Knights will try to be like Bish sometimes and horde capture, but lack the Bish-like Borg-Servant mindset to do it very effectively. At times they will try to be like Rooks and furball but their combat communication is very poor compared to Rooks and their squads are relatively small so fewer people tend to operate in close mutual support of one another in a fight. Over-time the hardcore real-estate junkies have migrated to Bish and the fighter purists have left for Rooks leaving Knights with a homogeneous blend of neither extreme. This makes them adaptable and versatile but at the same time less effective at any particular aspect overall.
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I understand the whole argument on "chesspiece loyalty" and I would never tell you what to do with your 15$. I get my 15$ worth each time NCLawman and GHI are within vox range...some bish so tight, they can do such a great impersonation that you have to check twice to see whos really talking :lol
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That's pretty damned good Zazen. I agree. :aok
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That's pretty damned good Zazen. I agree. :aok
Thank -You sir. <<S>>
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I think it would be fairer to say that the most visible <insert your chess piece here> players may fit the profile Zazen is talking to, but as a dedicated country hopper, I just don't see the majority of players being any different. Good, bad and indifferent on all sides from my experience.
I'd also suggest that if you could nail down who all the country hoppers are, looking for the largest darbar whily flying for the low numbers country, you could fill another country all together :)
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When the rooks get on a roll, they stay on a roll. When you get missions planners like DREDger or Limbo0 to run missions, after about 3 base takes you've got a solid base stealing group that can easily roll 10 bases, and we don't need 50 people to take it either. 8 110s, 4 nik's and 1 goon usually do us good.
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Apparently your brain turns to mush if you type this magic code ".country 1" inside the game Aces High. Send this to 10 friends and the curse will lift!
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I think it would be fairer to say that the most visible <insert your chess piece here> players may fit the profile Zazen is talking to, but as a dedicated country hopper, I just don't see the majority of players being any different. Good, bad and indifferent on all sides from my experience.
I'd also suggest that if you could nail down who all the country hoppers are, looking for the largest darbar whily flying for the low numbers country, you could fill another country all together :)
I did some rough census polling a few months ago, although unscientific, I roughly calculated only about 20% of the active AH population switches sides. About half of those that do switch are part of a squadron that traditionally only changes sides at the beginning of each camp on a rotation basis. So, only 10% of the player base (+-5%) switch countries during a campaign.
The original poster was speaking specifically of people who profess loyalty to one team or another. I know my squadron tend to go where they perceive the best fights are. But, the vast majority do not, they remain on one team come hell or high water and it is those people that collectively define the "demeanor" of a country. They form the substrate from which you can add or take away "floaters", but that will not change the team's fundamental defining characteristics. Think of it as a glass of salt water...I can pour a teaspoon of fresh water into the glass, but it's still going to be saltwater, perhaps a tad more dilute, but still salt water.
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When the rooks get on a roll, they stay on a roll. When you get missions planners like DREDger or Limbo0 to run missions, after about 3 base takes you've got a solid base stealing group that can easily roll 10 bases, and we don't need 50 people to take it either. 8 110s, 4 nik's and 1 goon usually do us good.
Hmmm....not a single 38 mentioned. The 12 will be discussing this transgression..... :noid :furious
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Obviously the Knights! Why? Because Pigs only fly in Knightland. :rock
<Salute> Knights
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honestly, they seem about the same to me. Generally, the team with the most amount of players, are the people taking bases the fastest. Generally, the lowest numbered team is losing bases the fastest. I guess some countries may have squads dedicated to the land grab game, but that changes to. years ago, bish steam rolled maps, more recently, rooks had been the ones taking maps and bish not. Even squads long time loyal squads change, though less often. It just goes around and around. As far as one country being more friendly than the other...I don't doubt some may have found that to be true, however, I think it is more of just a personal thing, meaning it depends on who is flying, what arena, who you run into and so on. I just don't see any country being better/worse, more friendly/less, or whatever be the case. Sometimes you notice trends, but those change constantly. Rooks used to be called alt dweebs, maybe they still are, but when I fly with them, most everyone I see is above me...by alot. But for every person that thinks there country is the best for whatever reason, there are just as many who think that their's is...the opposite is also true. just mho.
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I wouldn't know. I've always been a Bish.
Gotta disagree with Zazen on at least one point. There's a lot of communication among Bish in a fight. At least a lot of check sixes and the like although coordination could be better. Oh... and we aren't all real estate hordlings who run from a fight but we do have a strong contingent who fit that description.
I've pretty much always been a loner and not paid much attention to the social aspect of the game but I get a lot of support from fellow Bishes (WTG's, check sixes, winging up, etc.), some that I don't even really know.
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Generally all countries are the same if you hop a lot and fly at different times.
All have their share of altmonkeys, pickers, hotards, mindless furballers, clueless toolshedders, squeakers, generals, and incessant complainers. If there is a particular annoying player on your countrychannel, you can bet on the fact that there is an exact copy on each other country as well ;)
Also one's perception of a country can greatly differ depending on what time you fly. For some weeks, rooks/bish/knights "suck" in the early morning, a few months later they may roll a map again and again at the same time. All depending on the ever changing appearance and flying times of differend kind of players.
That being said, there are some long established players/squads that can do make a bit of a difference, and seem to shape their country towards certain style - for example huge, obscenely oversized NOE'S are occasionally done by every side, but certainly have become a Bish specialty over the years.
And this may be the reason for an interesting fact: For many years the Bishop's overall K/D has been the lowest for tour after tour, while the Rook's is always the highest. The difference is quite significant and very stable over the years.
In the current year, the Bishops have a total K/D of 0.91, the Knights 0.93 and the Rooks 1.19
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In my four years here, I've flown Bish. The only exception was when I had a major disagreement with my squad superiors and I flew for Knits very briefly. I don't have enough experience with knits to form an opinion, and I've never flown with Rooks. I will say that my perception of Rooks, based on my encounters with them (especially at high alt), is that they have very skilled pilots and they coordinate well.
I do enjoy flying as a Bishop, mainly because most players I fly with don't take the game so seriously that it overrides the "fun factor." I am a poor fighter pilot, but to everyone I know here, that doesn't matter. As long as we're having fun, that's what it's about. The friends and acquaintences (sp?) I have gained over time keep me coming back. <S> you guys, you know who you are. :aok
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if you fly on only one side all the time your missing out on two thirds of the people you could get to know. There are a number of guys I hate getting shot down by, and I used to really hate them. Now that I've flown with most of them from switching sides, most are nice guys, and fun to fly with. At least now they apologize after they shoot me down :D
Wise words from a wise man, I took Fugitives advice little over a year ago, i have met so many great people and learned so much about the game, i have plenty of friends on all sides, never hard to find someone to wing with.
knits, Rooks and Bish alot of really cool folks out there, you really are cheating yourself by sticking to one side.
But it did take a while to get used to that smell around Bish bases, What the heck is that? :D
Don
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I think it would be fairer to say that the most visible <insert your chess piece here> players may fit the profile Zazen is talking to, but as a dedicated country hopper, I just don't see the majority of players being any different. Good, bad and indifferent on all sides from my experience.
I'd also suggest that if you could nail down who all the country hoppers are, looking for the largest darbar whily flying for the low numbers country, you could fill another country all together :)
This I agree with, maybe Zazen's discription is closer to those that may hop but prefer to fly for one country rather then those of us who have to look to see what country were on.
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I did some rough census polling a few months ago, although unscientific, I roughly calculated only about 20% of the active AH population switches sides. About half of those that do switch are part of a squadron that traditionally only changes sides at the beginning of each camp on a rotation basis. So, only 10% of the player base (+-5%) switch countries during a campaign.
The original poster was speaking specifically of people who profess loyalty to one team or another. I know my squadron tend to go where they perceive the best fights are. But, the vast majority do not, they remain on one team come hell or high water and it is those people that collectively define the "demeanor" of a country. They form the substrate from which you can add or take away "floaters", but that will not change the team's fundamental defining characteristics. Think of it as a glass of salt water...I can pour a teaspoon of fresh water into the glass, but it's still going to be saltwater, perhaps a tad more dilute, but still salt water.
I guess the other thing you can say is that in order to have an opinion, you must switch sides on a regular basis, so I guess were talking about "Country Loyal" AHers and "Side Hopping" AHers, We side hoppers would get a look at all three and Loyalists only see their own and can only speculate on the others.
I don't see that much of a difference, altho i do think that there is a higher percentage of good sticks on the Rook side, this comes from fighting aganst them.
Just my .02
Don
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for example huge, obscenely oversized NOE'S are occasionally done by every side, but certainly have become a Bish specialty over the years.
That is because it affords the greatest chance of taking a base without having to actually fight for it...It's the principle of the path of least resistance in action, effective I suppose..entertaining...not to me...
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And this may be the reason for an interesting fact: For many years the Bishop's overall K/D has been the lowest for tour after tour, while the Rook's is always the highest. The difference is quite significant and very stable over the years.
In the current year, the Bishops have a total K/D of 0.91, the Knights 0.93 and the Rooks 1.19
Yes Lusche, I did an exhaustive data analysis of this several years ago. It's really quite fascinating how stable it remains even with old players leaving and new players joining. Although my data is a little more disparate than yours: Bishop K/D is 0.76; Knit 0.98 and Rook 1.21...Keep in mind over the course of a year there were well over a half a million kills/deaths so the difference between Bishop and Rook is extremely statistically significant.
Although it's harder to crunch the data since they took out the country search all of my samplings indicate it remains stable near those figures and has for years. If all countries were the same with types of players in exactly equal proportion, all 3 countries would be 1:1. This is obviously not the case, each of the three countries is quite different collectively. Although I am sure if you arbitrarily chose a few individuals with whom you interact regularly on each side you could find someone of similar persuasion on another side, this would not be analogous to saying all sides are the same.
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I have only flown bish but ill share my observations:
ROOKS: Larger percentage of score potatos ( to use the vernacular). Only country that will deack and field and vulch without any intent of taking a base. When coalt planes show up they move to another undefended vulchable field. Will not defend a base against poor odds. Dredger AND COMPANY excluded...they seem willing to run missions and dont seem to stress out about dying. I believe that explains the zazen observation of better k/d. If you have more score and k/d driven squads then you will have a better country k/d. By far the most ikely to fill ch 200 with excuses and insults when they die.
Knights: unfortunately dont seem to like to defend. They dont seem to be organized excpet for Rox missions which i respect but often seem like overkill. Still at least they get to be offensive some times and that is good.
Bish: dunno about how most play as i have never been on the recieving end. funguys to fly with and a number of squads and guys who ike to organize. WILL up capped fields and defend...sometimes to a fault.
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In my opinion every observations only made from the receiving end are very biased by nature.
Often the biggest crap told about "them" over there (=the subhuman enemy) comes from players that never have flown on that side.
A player can hardly give a rationale assement about a country he has only flown for or only fought against.
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I have heard that the bish are the tightest group in AH and perhaps the most cuddly, if reports of the Bish pajama parties are to be believed.
:noid
The bish women don't wear pajamas. Tell the whole story. :lol
I flew with rooks for 4 years and never made any friends even with my own squad. I now have people I call friends in my squad and in others, like Falcon23, Dadsguns, Llogan, Warloc, Gusman, Jedi, and others. They join missions in droves and genuinely like each other. I don't know about the knits. I haven't flown much with them.
On the Rooks side, and everyone can testify to this, you find that orators and arrogance seem to dominate. Now by no means are they a majority. However they do stand out. Having said that there are Rooks I like, Dredger comes to mind.
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That is because it affords the greatest chance of It's the principle of the path of least resistance in action, effective I suppose..entertaining...not to me...
<<<S>>> Zazen :salute
I appreciate your stance. I also understand where you are coming from :salute
There are a few different styles that many players flock to because it's their favorite way to play. There's no "right way" and there is no "wrong way". If someone wants to swap sides, GREAT, it's their $15 bucks. If you want to furball because that's fun for you, GREAT, it can be a ton of fun! If spending 45 minutes going NOE with 4 sets of lanc and escort to their HQ to knock out the enemy's lights, GREAT! We ALL play how makes us happy for our subscription.
EVERY country runs large NOE raids to TAKE bases. While that not be your brand of vodka, some folks like it. In the old days, we had 1 late war arena and large maps, less AAA, and no wirbelwinds.
Today, we have somewhat smaller maps. The AAA is WAY more in number and WAY more lethal than back then. (Remember the complaints after that patch?) We also have the wirbelwind to deal with now.
The strategy to TAKE bases has changed, and since the last few patches, if you do not use sound military strategy to take a base, you will NOT take it, plain & simple.
Remember: you can knock everything down...have the town flat....and if ONE GUY....just ONE guy gets into the town (having upped before the vh was down, or in from a spawn point) and kills just ONE drunk...you base take is toast. And that doesn't count the scads of ME262's zipping around killing your back-up goons. It's not real life, but this is the cartoon world we have chosen.
There are folks who run NOE missions to a base just to drop the VH, the ack and simply vulch--town is all up. I don't work that way. I'm sure it's fun and a great way to rack up kills, but that's not my brand of vodka, and same for many of the folks who fly missions with me. We go for the take. If folks want to do that to vulch--then that's their choice. I wouldn't do that, but I didn't pay their $15 bucks either.
You'd be surprised how many uppers come flying out of the barns once the NOE trips the maproom blink...they come flying out like COCKROACHES.
So unless folks are talking about people who play at 3 to 5 AM USA time, there is no "taking a base without having to actually fight for it..." "least resistance?" in USA/Canada prime times (Noon EST to 2 AM PT) that does not exist in the Late War Arenas...the takes I wittness have uppers and spawn-ins like COCKROACHES.
The game has changed, and folks who have fun taking real estate have had to adapt and use sound and proven military tactics to do it.
I don't know about how they do theirs in rook or bishland, but there is a proven, militarilary sound, recipie to taking a base that is about 95% effective.
It's fun for us to do it. Many, who like to furball, apprecite these raids and up with the other cockroaches to try and foil the base take. Hey, if we're providing entertainment for their $15 bucks, well, that's cool then.
Aces High is like an all you can eat buffet. There are folks who load up on the Italian Artichoke Hearts & Three Bean Salad, and others who would never touch it. There are those who load up on the Buttered Whole Crawfish & Escargot and others who turn up their noses at it. We all have different tastes. This game is no different.
Would you walk up to someone at a fancy buffet and say what they put on their plate was wrong? I wouldn't, that would be extremely rude. It was their $15 bucks.
It's all about having fun!
I hope that each and every AH'er plays how THEY want to play...how it makes THEM happy.
It's your right to furball, be a score-potato, NOE takes, HQ killers, rear eschelon base stealers, fly one plane exclusively, always up in uber-rides, etc. You paid to do that, right?
I hope everyone one the boards and in the games enjoys their subscription!
THANK YOU HiTech & staff for providing a way for us cartoon cyber pilots to pretend we were in the cockpits & tanks back in WWII!! And thank you for being the Burger King of sim games and letting us play "have it your way".
It's worth every penny!
ROX
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Zazen I only agree with you about 50% in your posting.
For instance we did a mission for 13, a knights field, and were initially repelled but then we came back and took it.
A month ago we were trying to get 7 in a pacific map, We were repelled time and time again. I called to Dadsguns it's time for an in-your-face mission. That's what we call them when we go head to head. We upped bombers and took out everything. The rooks flew the usual tempest and 262s to stop us. None of it worked and eventually we took the base. The rooks gave up fast and we swept the arena easily after that.
So no country gives up more than any other country and everyone looks for some advantage. Alt is not the only advantage btw.
I have seen countless times where there would be a full darbar of rooks over a base and only one guy deacking so the others could come down from their 25k perch to pick with out any risk of getting his feelings hurt.
Yeah we do a lot of noe missions. Why not they can be very effective. Ask Dredger, he runs those very well.
I do believe that Rooks have the best fighter pilots. That is hard to dispute. We have the best mission planners and some of the most stubborn defenders like Smokey23's squad. (Sorry Smokey couldn't remember the squad's name right now). I will tell you I have more fun in a day with these guys than I ever had in the 4 years as a rook.
To put it as someone else said. I'm not going to tell you what to do with your $15. I fly the way it is fun for me. Further I don't begrudge the way any country flies. There are always a counter measures.
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Hmmm....not a single 38 mentioned. The 12 will be discussing this transgression..... :noid :furious
Not the 12! Noooooooooooo! :rofl :rofl :rofl
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The only real thing I notice is that Bishops seem to have more suicide horde tards and the Rooks seem to have more altitude monkeys. Other than that it's all the same.
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...and the Rooks seem to have more altitude monkeys.
Which can easily explain the Rooks higher K/D rate. If you fly with every advantage it's easier to attain a high K/D.
I was flying against Rooks the other night. I flew to 15K and they were higher. The next sortie I was at 17K and they were higher. The next sortie I was at 20K and they were still higher. Finally I upped a Spit XIV and flew to 23K to start co-alt. I've never had to do that against Knights as a matter of course.
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<<<S>>> Zazen :salute
I appreciate your stance. I also understand where you are coming from :salute
There are a few different styles that many players flock to because it's their favorite way to play. There's no "right way" and there is no "wrong way". If someone wants to swap sides, GREAT, it's their $15 bucks. If you want to furball because that's fun for you, GREAT, it can be a ton of fun! If spending 45 minutes going NOE with 4 sets of lanc and escort to their HQ to knock out the enemy's lights, GREAT! We ALL play how makes us happy for our subscription.
EVERY country runs large NOE raids to TAKE bases. While that not be your brand of vodka, some folks like it. In the old days, we had 1 late war arena and large maps, less AAA, and no wirbelwinds.
Today, we have somewhat smaller maps. The AAA is WAY more in number and WAY more lethal than back then. (Remember the complaints after that patch?) We also have the wirbelwind to deal with now.
The strategy to TAKE bases has changed, and since the last few patches, if you do not use sound military strategy to take a base, you will NOT take it, plain & simple.
Remember: you can knock everything down...have the town flat....and if ONE GUY....just ONE guy gets into the town (having upped before the vh was down, or in from a spawn point) and kills just ONE drunk...you base take is toast. And that doesn't count the scads of ME262's zipping around killing your back-up goons. It's not real life, but this is the cartoon world we have chosen.
There are folks who run NOE missions to a base just to drop the VH, the ack and simply vulch--town is all up. I don't work that way. I'm sure it's fun and a great way to rack up kills, but that's not my brand of vodka, and same for many of the folks who fly missions with me. We go for the take. If folks want to do that to vulch--then that's their choice. I wouldn't do that, but I didn't pay their $15 bucks either.
You'd be surprised how many uppers come flying out of the barns once the NOE trips the maproom blink...they come flying out like COCKROACHES.
So unless folks are talking about people who play at 3 to 5 AM USA time, there is no "taking a base without having to actually fight for it..." "least resistance?" in USA/Canada prime times (Noon EST to 2 AM PT) that does not exist in the Late War Arenas...the takes I wittness have uppers and spawn-ins like COCKROACHES.
The game has changed, and folks who have fun taking real estate have had to adapt and use sound and proven military tactics to do it.
I don't know about how they do theirs in rook or bishland, but there is a proven, militarilary sound, recipie to taking a base that is about 95% effective.
It's fun for us to do it. Many, who like to furball, apprecite these raids and up with the other cockroaches to try and foil the base take. Hey, if we're providing entertainment for their $15 bucks, well, that's cool then.
Aces High is like an all you can eat buffet. There are folks who load up on the Italian Artichoke Hearts & Three Bean Salad, and others who would never touch it. There are those who load up on the Buttered Whole Crawfish & Escargot and others who turn up their noses at it. We all have different tastes. This game is no different.
Would you walk up to someone at a fancy buffet and say what they put on their plate was wrong? I wouldn't, that would be extremely rude. It was their $15 bucks.
It's all about having fun!
I hope that each and every AH'er plays how THEY want to play...how it makes THEM happy.
It's your right to furball, be a score-potato, NOE takes, HQ killers, rear eschelon base stealers, fly one plane exclusively, always up in uber-rides, etc. You paid to do that, right?
I hope everyone one the boards and in the games enjoys their subscription!
THANK YOU HiTech & staff for providing a way for us cartoon cyber pilots to pretend we were in the cockpits & tanks back in WWII!! And thank you for being the Burger King of sim games and letting us play "have it your way".
It's worth every penny!
ROX
RIght on ROX,and a big salute to ya :salute hope everything is well with ya..
I cant really add much to what rox has said other than to reinterate that it is difficult to take bases even with NOE missions..Their is a "recipe" to it,but its like the amount of uppers changes the heat so one still has to adjust the recipe sometimes..
I personally dont want to spend 2-4 hours that I spend playing AH "furballing"..I want to take bases,by ANY MEANS..You not watching your map?? then you may lose a base to any number of missions that could be up at any one time.In the limited amount of time I have to be in-game,I want to take as much as possible from the opposing team..
I have been experimenting with a different way of running missions,and am working the bugs out of it,but that is what is fun for me and the ones who join the missions..Trying something new..Like running a 190a8 missions and taking down a CV.You bet it is fun,and to see if it can be done in a timely manner..WHY??? because some people,will go to bases and kill ords so that bombers cant kill cv's off-shore..SO,one needs to learn to try different tactics,run them,test them,and also,it helps new people who can barely fly spits,possibly learn a new plane and see what it is capable of IN-GAME....
Falcon23 :salute
And to everyone who has fun playing the game your way :salute
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Which can easily explain the Rooks higher K/D rate. If you fly with every advantage it's easier to attain a high K/D.
I was flying against Rooks the other night. I flew to 15K and they were higher. The next sortie I was at 17K and they were higher. The next sortie I was at 20K and they were still higher. Finally I upped a Spit XIV and flew to 23K to start co-alt. I've never had to do that against Knights as a matter of course.
Well honestly this just shows you have never been a rook, It goes by which country has an offense. I have many times seen bishops and knights above 15k and everyone whines rooks are higher. Yes I have been a bishop and was on the knights for an entire tour, honestly rooks don't fly any higher, but when your on the defense all the time taking off from a capped base then yes you can say "they only come in at 25k".
Now honestly what alt is the standard alt to fly at? Your right there isn't one.
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I have only flown bish but ill share my observations:
ROOKS: Larger percentage of score potatos ( to use the vernacular). Only country that will deack and field and vulch without any intent of taking a base. When coalt planes show up they move to another undefended vulchable field. Will not defend a base against poor odds. Dredger AND COMPANY excluded...they seem willing to run missions and dont seem to stress out about dying. I believe that explains the zazen observation of better k/d. If you have more score and k/d driven squads then you will have a better country k/d. By far the most ikely to fill ch 200 with excuses and insults when they die.
Knights: unfortunately dont seem to like to defend. They dont seem to be organized excpet for Rox missions which i respect but often seem like overkill. Still at least they get to be offensive some times and that is good.
Bish: dunno about how most play as i have never been on the recieving end. funguys to fly with and a number of squads and guys who ike to organize. WILL up capped fields and defend...sometimes to a fault.
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some people are content with taking off, hitting autoclimb, going for a walk, coming back when they reach 25K and picking opponents and then running when they lose total advantage, so they can point to their score and make the proclamation that they are a superior player.. when in reality they couldent slap their way out of a paper bag if they were on even terms.
others will wing up in 3s or 4s, but yet avoid furballs to group cherry pick single aircraft, all the while proclaiming that they avoid furballs for a "fair fight" and and have true skill.
yet there are others who will come in on the deck for strategic advantage knowing full well if things do not goo 100% as planned that they will be in for a uphill battle, being low alt, low E, but yet this is the path best suited for their goals, and that is a risk they are willing to take.
"SCORE" as seen in the roster is an utter JOKE anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who wants to could dedicate 2 days to bombing strat, cherrypicking furballs, caming VHs in a panzer, and attacking strat in "attack" mode and gain a rank in the top 50 in the game. without having a single ounce of real skill whatsoever.
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Ive been playing bish and AH for about 2 years now and only been on both darksides a couple times. Seems to me the bish has the most close ties with eachother, but some would disagree. how would you rate your country in this category
I think so many have missed the point of what you started here Tralfz. So let me put it in a different way. It's about comraderie folks. Sorry I forgot that too Tralfz. I initially had it right though.
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Well honestly this just shows you have never been a rook, It goes by which country has an offense. I have many times seen bishops and knights above 15k and everyone whines rooks are higher. Yes I have been a bishop and was on the knights for an entire tour, honestly rooks don't fly any higher, but when your on the defense all the time taking off from a capped base then yes you can say "they only come in at 25k".
Now honestly what alt is the standard alt to fly at? Your right there isn't one.
This particular night I was upping a base back from the fight. Each time up I had to go higher yet to try to get co-alt with the Rooks. A 23K I finally did it. It wasn't like I was climbing off a capped base; just trying to come in co-alt with the cherry pickers.
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I have only flown bish but ill share my observations:
ROOKS: Larger percentage of score potatos ( to use the vernacular). Only country that will deack and field and vulch without any intent of taking a base. When coalt planes show up they move to another undefended vulchable field. Will not defend a base against poor odds. Dredger AND COMPANY excluded...they seem willing to run missions and dont seem to stress out about dying. I believe that explains the zazen observation of better k/d. If you have more score and k/d driven squads then you will have a better country k/d. By far the most ikely to fill ch 200 with excuses and insults when they die.
Knights: unfortunately dont seem to like to defend. They dont seem to be organized excpet for Rox missions which i respect but often seem like overkill. Still at least they get to be offensive some times and that is good.
Bish: dunno about how most play as i have never been on the recieving end. funguys to fly with and a number of squads and guys who ike to organize. WILL up capped fields and defend...sometimes to a fault.
Thats about the same i see, maybe I don't play the best hours for bish because when i get on Bish are out numbered and being ran over. Also the score potato statement about rooks is dead on from my point of view also, when ever i fly against rooks i always look for the pickers and know I'll be chasing if i can get on some ones 6.
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On the bish side you fly with the hoard or fly alone.There's no in between. I left the Bish because they'd have 30 or 40 guys following Ghi around ransacking bases while others were left to fight the rooks and nits by themselves.The Bish have the funnest squads. The Sick Puppies are a true brotherhood of friends that I have yet to find in the other countries.But they're diehard bish and probably consider me a traitor for switching sides.
The Nits are just there.Nothing about them really stands out to me.I find them boring to fight with and against.
The Rooks have the better pilots, but are more rigid in the squad operations and stick to a overall plan well.I think the most experienced players are rooks, and have a better understanding about the game. Although they rarely resupply or hit strat targets.
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This particular night I was upping a base back from the fight. Each time up I had to go higher yet to try to get co-alt with the Rooks. A 23K I finally did it. It wasn't like I was climbing off a capped base; just trying to come in co-alt with the cherry pickers.
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This particular night I was upping a base back from the fight. Each time up I had to go higher yet to try to get co-alt with the knights. A 23K I finally did it. It wasn't like I was climbing off a capped base; just trying to come in co-alt with the cherry pickers.
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This particular night I was upping a base back from the fight. Each time up I had to go higher yet to try to get co-alt with the Bishops. A 23K I finally did it. It wasn't like I was climbing off a capped base; just trying to come in co-alt with the cherry pickers.
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Common people ,really now, I have flown on all three sides and I promise you there is no difference, I don't care what anyone says, this is all total BS, all alt monkeys on all sides try and top each other, rooks don't fly any higher then knits or bish do. I can remember some Knit friends takeing me up to 17k, when i asked them why so high they said cause the dweebie bish fly at 15k.
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all three countrys are same same, same stuff, get over it, now go and play.
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The other sides have some real vulch/spawn heros too, most of all the Bish. Tho I'd probably agree the Rooks have the most.
How would I know if I dont vulch myself? Last night I was watching the map where we had a huge presence at a Bish field, 53 I think, and I never saw one green dot go near the town. :lol Besides, Ive dropped enough ords at bases where these prolonged vulches linger.
We have a few guys, whom I wont name and probably dont have to, that will spend entire evenings de-acking a uncontested field and then running their scores up anytime some poor schmuck tries taking off. So the next time you give WTGs, or think this stupid scoring system means anything, think about that. One such goof, I'll call the vulch Queen here, circles in his C-Hog barking out orders while he runs up kills. AND runs at the first sign of co-Alt trouble.
Nothing wrong with capping a base as long as capture is part of the plan. But there are Vulch Queens on all 3 teams, while yes, the Rooks are probably the worst.
And missions? Over 1/2 the rook missions we ran last night had one nitwit in it that gave it away. Whether they are spies, are new, or are plain incompetent, without mission leader control over mission members I suspect there will be less and less missions and more mindless furballing and vulching.
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all three countrys are same same, same stuff, get over it, now go and play.
Exactly, if your taking off a CAP'ed field then sure it seems like <insert country here> is coming in at 20k - same with tank town of any map.
Now one thing I have observed - its usually P51/Spitfires/Fw190s/N1k's that regularly fly at 15k, with some exceptions like WMLute proved time after time he can spank anyone at 2k or 15k.
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The other sides have some real vulch/spawn heros too, most of all the Bish. Tho I'd probably agree the Rooks have the most.
How would I know if I dont vulch myself? Last night I was watching the map where we had a huge presence at a Bish field, 53 I think, and I never saw one green dot go near the town. :lol Besides, Ive dropped enough ords at bases where these prolonged vulches linger.
We have a few guys, whom I wont name and probably dont have to, that will spend entire evenings de-acking a uncontested field and then running their scores up anytime some poor schmuck tries taking off. So the next time you give WTGs, or think this stupid scoring system means anything, think about that. One such goof, I'll call the vulch Queen here, circles in his C-Hog barking out orders while he runs up kills. AND runs at the first sign of co-Alt trouble.
Nothing wrong with capping a base as long as capture is part of the plan. But there are Vulch Queens on all 3 teams, while yes, the Rooks are probably the worst.
And missions? Over 1/2 the rook missions we ran last night had one nitwit in it that gave it away. Whether they are spies, are new, or are plain incompetent, without mission leader control over mission members I suspect there will be less and less missions and more mindless furballing and vulching.
Nice to see an honest rook :salute
As to Slash who has become my number one ankle humper...i guess sometimes you cant see the forest for the trees...but since you are an AvA staff member I guess your obvious success in developing game play should make us pause and respect your opinion more. Please continue beating dead horses and carry on... :rolleyes:
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Man, you're easy. Bordering on sissy.
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we tour all countrys due to the 173rd having friends on all sides. we do call the Knights Home and we spen three tours there before touring with the rooks and Bishops
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if you fly on only one side all the time your missing out on two thirds of the people you could get to know. There are a number of guys I hate getting shot down by, and I used to really hate them. Now that I've flown with most of them from switching sides, most are nice guys, and fun to fly with. At least now they apologize after they shoot me down :D
Which echoes my sentiments. I'll change to Bish every now and then to wing with friends and share some laughs along the way.
Started out the game (three gameIDs ago) as a knight. Went Bishop this go round and have winged with a few rooks that I respect. I would have to agree that the Bish nation is the most loyal and has the most players that fly exclusively with their "country".
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Which can easily explain the Rooks higher K/D rate. If you fly with every advantage it's easier to attain a high K/D.
I was flying against Rooks the other night. I flew to 15K and they were higher. The next sortie I was at 17K and they were higher. The next sortie I was at 20K and they were still higher. Finally I upped a Spit XIV and flew to 23K to start co-alt. I've never had to do that against Knights as a matter of course.
Please, you can stop the generalizing and leave a bunch of Rooks out of this crap. Because that is really all that it is. To deny the Bish or Knights do this crap as well, is crap.
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loyalty to one country went out when the MA became 4 arena's, when the countries have lower numbers. most the time when i log in bish have the low numbers....rooks and nits always have lot of ppl.
everyone knows my squad has commitment issues. we belong to no one country..we fly where we want when we want. we have flown bish more than any other due to the fact that we fly with the TSM squad and have been for like almost 2 years now.
all countries have their ups and downs. they are the same just different ppl. i agree that if you DONT switch you wont meet everyone that is in the game. there are ALOT that dont tune to 200 and ALOT that you won't run into in the game.
this is only MHO :)
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I dont fly perk airplanes so I dont care what the eny is. I stay Rook cause I have loyalty to fellow Rooks, not to chess pieces.
I would say the teamwork is much better in Rookdom. Plus if you need help the chances of help getting to you is much better.
I dont think we "run" away from fights as bad as the Bish and Nits, most of all "Bish". If I see a Bish FW-run90, a runphoon, or a runstang, Im pretty much assured its going to be one HO and then "run". Providing the kid didnt run into me. Actually they arent as bad in LAs but those 3 are terrible Bish-wise. And the Bish Nikis aint much better.
With the Bish iys like you run into total skill or total dweebery. Theres no in between.
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I've flown for all three countries as well. And I disagree with the idea they are all completely the same. The Bishops are most loyal in a general sense toward their country. The Knights are more loyal in a tactical sense to one another in combat. The Rooks fall somewhere between the other two.
For this reason Knights can be dangerous in small numbers. They escort their bombers, protect C-47's and armored units, and react quickly when their factories and territory are threatened. A few Knight planes and a well escorted CV can easily take a base. They are doing a very good job with CAP at forward bases this month as well.
The Bishops are highly independent individuals who seem to cooperate only when they are swarming enemy bases for harrassment purposes, or running massive base takeover missions led by a strong personality. They rarely support bombers, transports or anything else. Smaller Bishop operations usually fail.
The Rooks are a Wild Card Team. Good as Knights when they are on their game, but they can be as disorganized as Bishops sometimes. I would have to give the Rooks a little more credit for tactical loyalty to their countrymen than Bishops. But I wouldn't count on it 24/7.
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loyalty to one country went out when the MA became 4 arena's, when the countries have lower numbers. most the time when i log in bish have the low numbers....rooks and nits always have lot of ppl.
everyone knows my squad has commitment issues. we belong to no one country..we fly where we want when we want. we have flown bish more than any other due to the fact that we fly with the TSM squad and have been for like almost 2 years now.
all countries have their ups and downs. they are the same just different ppl. i agree that if you DONT switch you wont meet everyone that is in the game. there are ALOT that dont tune to 200 and ALOT that you won't run into in the game.
this is only MHO :)
Bishops usually have lowest numbers because they horde one arena, generally its always the empty arena, 100 bish/50knits/50rooks
usually knits or bishop, rooks really dont except early morning hours when we have more numbers on.
I have tried to switch arenas over the months, I might do another tour of switching bish/knights to see if I like it, generally never found bishops much fun since they see me as a "Country hopper" rather then someone joining the fun to kill - Knits been quite nice about me coming over - would say If I had too, I'd stay knits.
Modify: I did switch for a tour once, and ended up back rook - I think its just because I knew people and enjoyed flying with others.
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Bishops usually have lowest numbers because they horde one arena, generally its always the empty arena, 100 bish/50knits/50rooks
usually knits or bishop, rooks really dont except early morning hours when we have more numbers on.
I have tried to switch arenas over the months, I might do another tour of switching bish/knights to see if I like it, generally never found bishops much fun since they see me as a "Country hopper" rather then someone joining the fun to kill - Knits been quite nice about me coming over - would say If I had too, I'd stay knits.
Modify: I did switch for a tour once, and ended up back rook - I think its just because I knew people and enjoyed flying with others.
And if the Bish are hording one LW arena, you can bet the Rooks or Knits are hording the other. One of the frustrations of not being able to switch for an hour is that if you go up to fight the horde in one arena, and then bounce to the other arena if a squaddie is on, you often get stuck on the high number side in that arena, although you've just come from the low number side in the previous arena.
All of which tells me that the majority of folks are the same, in that they like to win even if it's in the horde, and 'loyalty' to the chess piece goes only as far as thinking that winning the war matters :)
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I don't fly perk airplanes so I don't care what the eny is. I stay Rook cause I have loyalty to fellow Rooks, not to chess pieces.
I would say the teamwork is much better in Rookdom. Plus if you need help the chances of help getting to you is much better.
I don't think we "run" away from fights as bad as the Bish and Nits, most of all "Bish". If I see a Bish FW-run90, a runphoon, or a runstang, I'm pretty much assured its going to be one HO and then "run". Providing the kid didn't run into me. Actually they aren't as bad in La's but those 3 are terrible Bish-wise. And the Bish Nikis ain't much better.
With the Bish is like you run into total skill or total dweebery. Theres no in between.
unfortunately you just described all three country's.
I stay Rook cause I have loyalty to fellow Rooks, not to chess pieces.
sorry to inform you of this but that is considered a chess pieces.
its a darn shame you think you have to be loyal to one country in a VIDEO GAME. you are missing out on a lot of other skilled fighters or GVers that can help you along your way. you never know you might meet a better squad then you have now. there are a lot of great squads out there. being loyal to one country is crazy if you ask me. i never agreed with it as a LTAR and i still don't as a 173rd. that's why we jump country's
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Gee Kilz, I guess I'll now change 100% the way I play after you weighed in. :huh
unfortunately you just described all three country's.
sorry to inform you of this but that is considered a chess pieces.
its a darn shame you think you have to be loyal to one country in a VIDEO GAME. you are missing out on a lot of other skilled fighters or GVers that can help you along your way. you never know you might meet a better squad then you have now. there are a lot of great squads out there. being loyal to one country is crazy if you ask me. i never agreed with it as a LTAR and i still don't as a 173rd. that's why we jump country's
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Seems to me the bish has the most close ties with eachother, but some would disagree. how would you rate your country in this category
No help on this one. With few exceptions, flew Bishops. Got to know guys many years ago. Found some guys with whom I enjoy playing: Egg, LTARS, Hajo, Rusty, bunches of folks. As the years rolled by, stayed with Bishops.
Those who do switch told me all countries are the same.
Haven't flown in close to year I guess. If I find myself in the skies again, no doubt it will be for the Bish.
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All countries are more or less the same....occasional gal.
You know, I can't think of a rook female. Maybe there are some that fly non-US primetime that I don't know of. Who am I forgetting?
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Ive been playing bish and AH for about 2 years now and only been on both darksides a couple times. Seems to me the bish has the most close ties with eachother, but some would disagree. how would you rate your country in this category
Im usually Bish. My vote is for Rooks simply because I dont recognize more than a dozen Bish at any one time, these days.
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You know, I can't think of a rook female. Maybe there are some that fly non-US primetime that I don't know of. Who am I forgetting?
I fly like a little girl, most of the time in gay planes. Does that count?
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I fly like a little girl, most of the time in gay planes. Does that count?
If you'd said "wearing a pink thong"....then yes it would've counted :D :salute
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I fly like a little girl, most of the time in gay planes. Does that count?
It would, but you are a snail and snails are asexual, so I was counting you as our no-gender rook. :D
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Ive been playing bish and AH for about 2 years now and only been on both darksides a couple times. Seems to me the bish has the most close ties with eachother, but some would disagree. how would you rate your country in this category
Usually (from what I've seen) Bishops are pretty close to team mates. Usually, they dont accept people from different countries too well. :aok
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Usually (from what I've seen) Bishops are pretty close to team mates. Usually, they dont accept people from different countries too well. :aok
I would have to disagree. Ive seen many hardcore rooks and nits come to bish and we welcome them with utmost respect. What I cant stand are retards that join missions and relay the info to their buddies to come shoot us down. Its happend before and they dont take to that real well. Many O times Ive been shot down by Stodd, god knows how times I wanted to throw the computer out the window, but flyin with them guys you get to know that they can be some cool people.
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For me i started out nit and it was okay until one day i was in a ostie defending our base (engine off) and some wise guy ask me to move my ostie away from him cuz i was in his "bubble" :huh. Not to long after i went Bish and they wasnt that bad. Bacc then there was no arena caps so the Rooks had more numbers at that time, so i switch to Rooks and since then i've been a Rook and never looked bacc.
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You know the Star Trek analogy really works well here. The Knights are the Federation. Professional and loyal to one another. The Bishops are the Klingons. First loyalty to their warrior clans (squadrons). They're also just as quick to kill each other as a Knight or Rook pilot. I've seen lots of evidence of this open hostility between Bishops causing unnecessary casualties in engagements. Very Klingon like behavior. The Rooks are of course the Romulans. Lots of attitude, but no numbers. Occasionally they swarm like Klingons, but they don't like to stick around where they can be seen.
Weird isn't it ? Maybe Star Trek has been imprinted so deeply on our culture we subconsciously mold ourselves into a likeness of it without even being aware of what we are doing. LOL.
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My brain thoroughly permutates into one of three configurations everytime I type ".country x" in the text buffer of "Aces High". I suspect astrology could tell me more about this.
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Rooks are more than a country.
We are a government. Go rook :salute.
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The Knits are teh team of the gods. :rock
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You know the Star Trek analogy really works well here. The Knights are the Federation. Professional and loyal to one another. The Bishops are the Klingons. First loyalty to their warrior clans (squadrons). They're also just as quick to kill each other as a Knight or Rook pilot. I've seen lots of evidence of this open hostility between Bishops causing unnecessary casualties in engagements. Very Klingon like behavior. The Rooks are of course the Romulans. Lots of attitude, but no numbers. Occasionally they swarm like Klingons, but they don't like to stick around where they can be seen.
Weird isn't it ? Maybe Star Trek has been imprinted so deeply on our culture we subconsciously mold ourselves into a likeness of it without even being aware of what we are doing. LOL.
And you reached this conclusion because you've been flying how long? Please explain how the Bish cause unnecessary casualties against their own countrymen? Open hostility? The only open hostility I ever see on the bish side is from the old timers when we get a bunch of "squeaker generals" barking orders for all and I know that happens in every country whenever the "squeaker" season opens. Well If being a bish means that I'm a klingon, I wanna mate with Belonna Torres from Voyager. hehehhe
All the Best...
Jay
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Rooks are more of an autonomous collective. We are generally incapable of working together for any extended period of time. We also horde particularly poorly and have been known to do dopey things like trying to vulch an airfield for over an hour without first taking down the ack, radar, vh etc. We also could be better about clearing each other's sixes instead of pursuing the easy kill. We clearly don't like taking orders even when they make sense (see point one).
That said, I've been Rook since I started this game and am fiercely loyal to my "country" despite its dysfunctions. We have some of the best overall pilots and at this point I'd feel like a turncoat flying with anyone else. I can usually expect a six call when I'm playing with older Rooks, and I appreciate that. Since I haven't flown with other countries I can't comment on overall player respect and civility towards one another, but I imagine its no better or worse than the other countries.
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It doesn’t matter which side you're on… we’re still dweebs that play a bad bellybutton cartoon game :D
My squad and I used to fly as Bish; but went on a month tour w/ the Rooks and never returned to the motherland :rofl
LOL! Sunbat :)
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Rooks, we are the Borg, Resistance is futile.
Would like to assimilate 7 of 9 :O
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idk, i started bish.. left after like 2 months... have been on knits since, so im on my 3rd year and like 10th month on knights... and i was taken in by the C-hawks when i went 2 the knights... well.. there great guys, fun 2 hang out with, and when u fly wit em as long as i have, its like family, and theres great guys like ROCKY, all the 68 lancers =D, ROX, and more
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Rooks are more of an autonomous collective. We are generally incapable of working together for any extended period of time. We also horde particularly poorly
Don't sell your team short. No team hordes as well as rooks.
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Rooks are more of an autonomous collective. We are generally incapable of working together for any extended period of time. We also horde particularly poorly and have been known to do dopey things like trying to vulch an airfield for over an hour without first taking down the ack, radar, vh etc. We also could be better about clearing each other's sixes instead of pursuing the easy kill. We clearly don't like taking orders even when they make sense (see point one).
That said, I've been Rook since I started this game and am fiercely loyal to my "country" despite its dysfunctions. We have some of the best overall pilots and at this point I'd feel like a turncoat flying with anyone else. I can usually expect a six call when I'm playing with older Rooks, and I appreciate that. Since I haven't flown with other countries I can't comment on overall player respect and civility towards one another, but I imagine its no better or worse than the other countries.
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ooh-rah.
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To a point this is just middle age men screaming for their fav football team
I was gone for a while and when i came back nothing has changed. its seems like there is just a diff vibe from each team.
As someone said earlier, bish are loyal to squads, i think if you are in a squad chances are you will give anything for them.
Bish are friendly with one another but you will NEVER ever get a "Check 6" from 'em. bish talk on channel a lot too, not much range talk. and i think the reason why bish are known to be "touchy feely" is because it seems like there are a lot of die hard bishies and you dont see much of that on the other squads(not saying that its a good thing)
i have done little flying on the rook and knit but i was not a fan of rook because i got no cooperation and from knit i enjoyed it a lot
but mainly to anyone new reading, just make friends and have fun, dont worry about disliking him because hes a bish or rook just fly
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The Bish have the funnest squads. The Sick Puppies are a true brotherhood of friends that I have yet to find in the other countries.But they're diehard bish and probably consider me a traitor for switching sides.
I don't think any of the Pups thought you were a traitor I have never heard any one say that or any thing like it. I was always puzzled by the sudden change of squads with out any notification though or as to why. But you know we each have to search out what is best for ones self. You have always been liked & respected & I think I can say on behalf of the rest of the Pups you are missed.
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AA has been flying on all sides regularly now and I see no real differences between the sides.
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You know, I can't think of a rook female. Maybe there are some that fly non-US primetime that I don't know of. Who am I forgetting?
Sherie's been a rook each time I've seen her logged on in the past years.
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yes they are tight and all fly the same way. HO, RAM, and vulch :D
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Bish are friendly with one another but you will NEVER ever get a "Check 6" from 'em. bish talk on channel a lot too, not much range talk. and i think the reason why bish are known to be "touchy feely" is because it seems like there are a lot of die hard bishies and you dont see much of that on the other squads(not saying that its a good thing)
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Must be flying with around the new guys, thats the only time I can't get a check 6. My squad is small and we don't get on the same hours so i have made friends with the U.S. late night bish and don't run into that problem to much. In fact I've been hearing more people calling out plane types and distance and altitudes. That said it just depends on whose flying next to you, some people just won't give a check and others like me may give checks to everyone if i see it.
AVA of late has had great co-operation on the allied side, I'm sure the AXIS has also. Might want to try it out some time.
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I dont fly perk airplanes so I dont care what the eny is. I stay Rook cause I have loyalty to fellow Rooks, not to chess pieces.
I would say the teamwork is much better in Rookdom. Plus if you need help the chances of help getting to you is much better.
I dont think we "run" away from fights as bad as the Bish and Nits, most of all "Bish". If I see a Bish FW-run90, a runphoon, or a runstang, Im pretty much assured its going to be one HO and then "run". Providing the kid didnt run into me. Actually they arent as bad in LAs but those 3 are terrible Bish-wise. And the Bish Nikis aint much better.
With the Bish iys like you run into total skill or total dweebery. Theres no in between.
How would you know what Bishland or Knightland is like if you always "Stay Rook"?
Speaking from the viewpoint of a Bishop player, There are good and bad guys on all sides. It does seem to me that there is a core group of Bishops that are "Die Hard" Bish and would NEVER switch sides. While there are skilled players on all three rosters, I think that the Bishops are a little better at cooperating. I seldom enter a furball without getting 6 calls and position reports. Also if you encounter one Bishop who is in a squad, chances are he is not alone. Based on my experiences the Bishop squads are very tight and usually fly together more so than in the other two countries. When members of our squad wing with friends from other countries we follow one "chiseled in stone" rule: We never fight the Bishops.
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Where I did a little country hopping for a tour - I found Arch's point right - bish wont help you but are quite loyal, knits are quite friendly yet either horde or completely out numbered - and Rooks are generally better fighter pilots, but well we have drdeath, tripl5 and valdals
so yeah each country has its up and downs.
you mean when you spied on our missionz to rule he world and ruined my score forever!?!
when are u coming back? ;)
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Bishops, in general, have little to no interest in a protracted air fight, they just want to take as many undefended fields per unit time as possible. Usually after they attack an undefended field with an overwhelming force and some resistance manages to form before they affect capture, they get their butts whipped. Instead of coming back to try again and create a furball they "mass-quit" and look for some other undefended field on the map to swarm. Bishops will always abandon a fight to join a mission to attack some undefended base on the edge of nowhere.
Bishops have a couple of very large squadrons composed largely of new players and/or those posessing very little individual fighter combat skill. This predominance tends to lend itself well to the creation of large missions which allow the relatively unskilled/inexperienced individuals to share some measure of success as a part of the mission they could not otherwise possibly hope to obtain alone.
Rooks are unabashed furballers, they are the antithesis to Bishops. Rooks will always forego base capturing if there's a furball to be had. In my opinion Rooks are the most fighter friendly country, but the least land-grab friendly one. Rooks are by far the best combat communicators and their mutual support in fights is very realistic and effective. This whole "fights-first" mindset is why the missions dudes get so frustrated on Rooks. If there's a good furball happening there's cricket's chirping in their mission rooms which naturally has an adverse effect on their effectiveness at the real estate aspect of the game.. Rooks have the highest proportion of experienced and talented fighter pilots and the lowest number of real estate broker types.
Knights are an amalgam, in a way I feel sorry for them as they lack the 'super-squads" that tend to generate country cohesiveness. Knights are decent at everything but great at nothing. Knights will try to be like Bish sometimes and horde capture, but lack the Bish-like Borg-Servant mindset to do it very effectively. At times they will try to be like Rooks and furball but their combat communication is very poor compared to Rooks and their squads are relatively small so fewer people tend to operate in close mutual support of one another in a fight. Over-time the hardcore real-estate junkies have migrated to Bish and the fighter purists have left for Rooks leaving Knights with a homogeneous blend of neither extreme. This makes them adaptable and versatile but at the same time less effective at any particular aspect overall.
fantastic post... very true!
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When members of our squad wing with friends from other countries we follow one "chiseled in stone" rule: We never fight the Bishops.
I am currently flying rook and have fought with you when I was bish. I make a point of fighting the bish cause I enjoy tussling with old squadies and friends. It is much more fun than fighting complete strangers. You might want to try it. I periodically fly bish to wing with some of my old buddies and have no problem fighting Rooks.
p.s. I fully agree with Zazen13's assessment of the three countries (although I have never flow nit.)
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Sherie's been a rook each time I've seen her logged on in the past years.
Is that her in-game name? I've never seen her that I can recall. Only been playing about 2 years or so tho.
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Erica or LovlyDeth was or is rook but i haven't seen her on in a while
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Is that her in-game name? I've never seen her that I can recall. Only been playing about 2 years or so tho.
Yep, that's her CPID. Actually, may not have the 'e' at the end. I don't recall.
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When members of our squad wing with friends from other countries we follow one "chiseled in stone" rule: We never fight the Bishops.
When you gonna come on ovah?! :rock
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How would you know what Bishland or Knightland is like if you always "Stay Rook"?
Wasnt always Rook.
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i'm friendly with almost everyne in here,
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