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Title: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 23, 2008, 06:56:15 AM
http://files.filefront.com/Vbettyahf/;10764280;/fileinfo.html

http://files.filefront.com/vbetty2ahf/;10764298;/fileinfo.html

Here are the films you wanted Betty. As you can see, the first one. I chopped throttle as I dove in, but then open up to perform the illy, and come back down and you were hanging. I'm not sure why you'd call that BnZ, it was just a tactical decision for K4 v. Hurricane from my PoV to convert my E. Didn't expect ya to hang like that, but since you did I wasn't gunna let go of the shot =).

Second film was just showing how bad your hurricane kicked my K4's butt, after you intercepted Gixer and my fight. You guys need to calm down, y'all getting too ruff txt chat  :lol

<S> GFs

Yenny
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: betty on June 23, 2008, 08:25:31 AM
first off.....i told you i din't go for the rope
secondly.....you came in at like 10k i knew you was gonna dive in on me, i was just watching for u to come in for a cheap bnz shot....



Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 23, 2008, 08:33:18 AM
first off.....i told you i din't go for the rope
secondly.....you came in at like 10k i knew you was gonna dive in on me, i was just watching for u to come in for a cheap bnz shot....

I mean of course I'm gunna come in at 10k, I'm the only green there. I always climb up to 10k and lvl off anywho, only takes 2 min or so climb for K4 w/ wep. Do you really expect me to just go into a turn right away after that dive? K4 compress pass 400 knts. I wasn't gunna out turn ya at that speed, or w/ that plane anywho. Even if that fight last longer, the fight would have been on the vert. Sorry I can't fly the way you want me to for an easy kill. Deal with it.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: betty on June 23, 2008, 09:06:18 AM
I mean of course I'm gunna come in at 10k, I'm the only green there. I always climb up to 10k and lvl off anywho, only takes 2 min or so climb for K4 w/ wep. Do you really expect me to just go into a turn right away after that dive? K4 compress pass 400 knts. I wasn't gunna out turn ya at that speed, or w/ that plane anywho. Even if that fight last longer, the fight would have been on the vert. Sorry I can't fly the way you want me to for an easy kill. Deal with it.


dont expect an ez kill from anyone...i personally would rather have someone put up a good fight. you sir do nothing but bnz and run. but that is why you pay your 15.00 per month. each of us have our own style of game play. i fly to find a good fight live or die. but i can promise you this...u will NEVER see me running from a fight. and you also was NOT the only green guy there. if you look sunfan was there with you. so this also makes you a liar. just thought i would point that out..but you fly how u want to fly. it just has to be boring to play a game like that. guess i'll never know. my style of game play is NO ho's, NO ram's, NO runnin. i look for a good fight. maybe some day yenny when you grow up you can play with the big kids. till then you stay in the kiddy pool.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 23, 2008, 09:12:48 AM
and you also was NOT the only green guy there. if you look sunfan was there with you.

That pretty much means he was the only one there :D
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 23, 2008, 09:19:37 AM

dont expect an ez kill from anyone...i personally would rather have someone put up a good fight. you sir do nothing but bnz and run. but that is why you pay your 15.00 per month. each of us have our own style of game play. i fly to find a good fight live or die. but i can promise you this...u will NEVER see me running from a fight. and you also was NOT the only green guy there. if you look sunfan was there with you. so this also makes you a liar. just thought i would point that out..but you fly how u want to fly. it just has to be boring to play a game like that. guess i'll never know. my style of game play is NO ho's, NO ram's, NO runnin. i look for a good fight. maybe some day yenny when you grow up you can play with the big kids. till then you stay in the kiddy pool.

^^ not what the film said, base on the film i'm the only green.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: waystin2 on June 23, 2008, 09:23:09 AM
i was just watching for u to come in for a cheap bnz shot....

Hello Betty,

We all take cheap shots, all of us.  Please do not describe this as a unique happening in the MA, and something that you do not do yourself.

<Salute>
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 23, 2008, 09:26:43 AM
and it's really not a cheap shot when you KNOW they are above you? 
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: zoozoo on June 23, 2008, 09:27:15 AM
damn, save this crap for 200.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 23, 2008, 09:29:19 AM
now should a child your age be using profanity like that?
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Gixer on June 23, 2008, 09:41:16 AM
Yenny, like the way you said Gix InIn on 200,  Was already merging with something else why I said what about the Hurr that was closer to you.  :lol

Good fun, see you around...   :aok


<S>...-Gixer
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 23, 2008, 09:44:05 AM
Yenny, like the way you said Gix InIn on 200,  Was already merging with something else why I said what about the Hurr that was closer to you.  :lol

Good fun, see you around...   :aok


<S>...-Gixer


lol there were so many red guys, i just wanted you man. the sexy yak9t
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: zoozoo on June 23, 2008, 09:59:43 AM
now should a child your age be using profanity like that?


Dont tell me mum!

 :noid
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: NOT on June 23, 2008, 10:22:16 AM
Betty took a cheap shot on me the other day..... :noid




NOT
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Scca on June 23, 2008, 11:09:38 AM
Not that I have a dog in this fight, but BNZ is a historical, valid and written about tactic.  Heck, here is the first part of a four part writeup on it http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_024a.html (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_024a.html)

When pickers are in the area, I usually take off from a rearward base, and make the pickers, pickees..  (they hate that)
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Rusty88 on June 23, 2008, 12:02:49 PM
Nice kill Yenny!  :aok  I saw nothing wrong with what you did. Betty looked asleep at the stick.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Masherbrum on June 23, 2008, 03:38:12 PM
damn, save this crap for 200.

Save your own crap, your shed is bulging at the seams from "overflow".   
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: jerkins on June 23, 2008, 05:01:52 PM
well in that particular clip i didn't see anything worthy of a text fight afterwards.  Yes yenny had alt, yes he made a diving pass, but lets not forget that betty tried to follow him up.  He had tons of E, and the k4 climbs like a banshee.  IMO she would have been better off pulling a flat turn and letting yenny come back down at her.  She can easily avoid his bnz attempts and resist the urge to follow him up.  Eventually yenny will bleed off some speed, and hes dead in the water if he tries to turn fight the hurri.  Just an opinion, nothing more.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 23, 2008, 05:06:46 PM
well in that particular clip i didn't see anything worthy of a text fight afterwards.  Yes yenny had alt, yes he made a diving pass, but lets not forget that betty tried to follow him up.  He had tons of E, and the k4 climbs like a banshee.  IMO she would have been better off pulling a flat turn and letting yenny come back down at her.  She can easily avoid his bnz attempts and resist the urge to follow him up.  Eventually yenny will bleed off some speed, and hes dead in the water if he tries to turn fight the hurri.  Just an opinion, nothing more.

What I was trying to convey was, coming in with that much E. I think I only have one option which was to do a loop to bring my speed down in a controllable manner. There was no way for me to start turning with her right away while doing 400 knts. Also I wouldn't have flat turn with the hurricane because it's simple hurricane vs k4, that would have been death sentence. I would have to take the fight in the vertical if it was to continue longer.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: AKDogg on June 23, 2008, 05:50:53 PM
first off.....i told you i din't go for the rope
secondly.....you came in at like 10k i knew you was gonna dive in on me, i was just watching for u to come in for a cheap bnz shot....

Thats why I up f4u-4 for the runners.  Can't out run me then that easily.  Have to fight me now, hehehehe.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: SFCHONDO on June 23, 2008, 07:19:18 PM
All i see is someone upset over getting killed and you not fighting there fight. Yet another reason I don't tune 200 very often anymore. I don't have time to listen to people whine when they die.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Gixer on June 23, 2008, 07:48:14 PM
All i see is someone upset over getting killed and you not fighting there fight. Yet another reason I don't tune 200 very often anymore. I don't have time to listen to people whine when they die.

Yes but it's like sport, you don't want to risk changing channel incase you miss a rare moment of brilliance.


<S>...-Gixer
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: REP0MAN on June 23, 2008, 07:54:30 PM
Betty took a cheap shot on me the other day..... :noid




NOT


Sure that wasn't a drunken stooper?

Were you, in anyway, dressed as a big, tree covered mountainside?

:p bettAy

:noid
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: SFCHONDO on June 23, 2008, 07:55:53 PM
Yes but it's like sport, you don't want to risk changing channel incase you miss a rare moment of brilliance.


<S>...-Gixer

Good point   :salute
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Newman5 on June 23, 2008, 09:21:55 PM
I'm not sure what she expected from someone who had alt and E advantage, especially if she knew he was up there to begin with.  Is he supposed to slow down and turn fight a hurri in a k4??
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 23, 2008, 09:28:09 PM
I'm not sure what she expected from someone who had alt and E advantage, especially if she knew he was up there to begin with.  Is he supposed to slow down and turn fight a hurri in a k4??

Betty is a women (so she says).  And what do women (and squeakers) want?  Attention.  That explains 95% of her actions
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Masherbrum on June 23, 2008, 09:43:14 PM
I'm not sure what she expected from someone who had alt and E advantage, especially if she knew he was up there to begin with.  Is he supposed to slow down and turn fight a hurri in a k4??

Hello.....Newman!    :D
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: angelsandair on June 23, 2008, 09:54:37 PM
I mean of course I'm gunna come in at 10k, I'm the only green there. I always climb up to 10k and lvl off anywho, only takes 2 min or so climb for K4 w/ wep. Do you really expect me to just go into a turn right away after that dive? K4 compress pass 400 knts. I wasn't gunna out turn ya at that speed, or w/ that plane anywho. Even if that fight last longer, the fight would have been on the vert. Sorry I can't fly the way you want me to for an easy kill. Deal with it.

Actually, Yenny kinda has a point. When I see Hurricanes, I usually only try to BnZ them or take a pop-shot, extend out to about 2.5k then come back in. This isn't really a legit reason to fight about anyways...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Newman5 on June 23, 2008, 10:10:02 PM
This isn't really a legit reason to fight about anyways...  :rolleyes:

That was exactly what i was thinking.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: angelsandair on June 23, 2008, 10:17:34 PM
That was exactly what i was thinking.
:aok
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Wingnutt on June 23, 2008, 10:56:36 PM
hard to fault BNZ as a bogus/lame tactic considering a good number of aircraft were purpose built for that type of fighting..
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: jaxxo on June 24, 2008, 12:10:53 AM
Yenny i got no prob with ya you seem like a fun guy...your tactics constantly annoy some people..not because ya bnz but because you run like heck or grab and alt, which is fine if you would press the attack, however Im constantly finding you returning for pick shots after youve waited for the person to get bored and engage something else..i fought you and doom at the same time and both of ya did the same thing over and over, one cannnon spray and run away. Like I said its just your tactics that can become annoying..nothin personal   I do see ya trying to learn alot though so <S> for that  .. have fun!
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: sunfan1121 on June 24, 2008, 12:29:17 AM
hard to fault BNZ as a bogus/lame tactic considering a good number of aircraft were purpose built for that type of fighting..
some planes were built for BnZ, but that still dosent mean that's all you should do in them. yenny is usally 5k above the fight the whole time BnZ'n and cherry picking. 
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: sunfan1121 on June 24, 2008, 12:30:48 AM

dont expect an ez kill from anyone...i personally would rather have someone put up a good fight. you sir do nothing but bnz and run. but that is why you pay your 15.00 per month. each of us have our own style of game play. i fly to find a good fight live or die. but i can promise you this...u will NEVER see me running from a fight. and you also was NOT the only green guy there. if you look sunfan was there with you. so this also makes you a liar. just thought i would point that out..but you fly how u want to fly. it just has to be boring to play a game like that. guess i'll never know. my style of game play is NO ho's, NO ram's, NO runnin. i look for a good fight. maybe some day yenny when you grow up you can play with the big kids. till then you stay in the kiddy pool.
Ya i was there and were all comeing in at around 5-7K. No reason to come in that high if you want a fight.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 24, 2008, 12:49:55 AM
Ya i was there and were all comeing in at around 5-7K. No reason to come in that high if you want a fight.

I always lvl out at 8-10k as I fly into combat area, no matter which plane I fly =)
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: sunfan1121 on June 24, 2008, 12:55:19 AM
I always lvl out at 8-10k as I fly into combat area, no matter which plane I fly =)
and u always end up BnZ'n the whole time
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 24, 2008, 12:59:06 AM
In d9 you betcha imma BnZ every flight =) In K4s anything else I'd tnb. Just won't do it in the D9.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: SFCHONDO on June 24, 2008, 12:59:40 AM
What's the difference of coming in a 5-7k diving on guys at 2k any different than coming in at 10K diving on guys at 5k? Besides how does he know before getting there that they didn't climb to 15K? Anyway thats nor here nor there, I don't know Yenny from adam and he could be a total duche for all I know. But this thread is not about that, it's about betty whinning on 200 when she died ranting on about him BnZing her to death when I didn't see that. He dove in, pulled up, flipped over and toasted her. He asked if she wanted him to post film and he did. Second film I saw him trying to fight a yak that kept evading him then he gets jumped by several others, then when he is slow and turning with a hurri the others basically let her fight him after he was in a bad way. What he has done in other fights is not the topic of the thread. Just looking at this with out bias toward either player. To often on here friends tend to come on and stick up for people even if they are in the wrong because they either like them or don't like the other person and don't respond with either truthful or rational replies.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 24, 2008, 02:50:59 AM
What's the difference of coming in a 5-7k diving on guys at 2k any different than coming in at 10K diving on guys at 5k? Besides how does he know before getting there that they didn't climb to 15K? Anyway thats nor here nor there, I don't know Yenny from adam and he could be a total duche for all I know. But this thread is not about that, it's about betty whinning on 200 when she died ranting on about him BnZing her to death when I didn't see that. He dove in, pulled up, flipped over and toasted her. He asked if she wanted him to post film and he did. Second film I saw him trying to fight a yak that kept evading him then he gets jumped by several others, then when he is slow and turning with a hurri the others basically let her fight him after he was in a bad way. What he has done in other fights is not the topic of the thread. Just looking at this with out bias toward either player. To often on here friends tend to come on and stick up for people even if they are in the wrong because they either like them or don't like the other person and don't respond with either truthful or rational replies.

As a BnZmer I usually don't want to be more then 2-3k higher then my opponent. To me BnZing is like the rescue team, and an awacs in a furball. I want to be 2-3k above the fight because I need to be able to see and call out check sixes and clear people's six. If you're 4-5k then most the time you are way way too high and would dive down WAY too fast to make a good accurate shot. What I do in a furball is providing check 6, and situation awareness for my team, and also see who needs a clear six. I usually the enemies planes "roping" themselves very often, and I would execute a quick dive and pick them off, which is why I don't want to be higher then 2-3k above the fight. Opportunity shots like shot doesn't last long, the higher you are the more chances of you missing those opportunity shots.

Communication is the key for BnZing, a lot of time when I clear a countryman's six, I'd call on vox letting him know how far I am from the opponent on his six, and my time frame til arrival. That way he can have a good idea what he needs to do, if the bandit is too close he can reply with direction he's breaking, or if bandit is far he can set up a rope. I always fly about 8-10k into a furball area, because I know most the fight will be around 4-5k, but I choose 8-10k as a safe insurance that I won't be jump on arrival. 8-10k is always good enough if situation turns bad and you get 3-4 on your tail. D9 can always nose straight down and hit the deck for separation, or if you got a few LA-7 on your tail, at 10k you can always outrun them. That's why I always choose 8-10k as my entrance alt.

I only fly BnZ when it's a thick furball situation, I find out BnZ doesn't work where there's few enemy because you need #s to mask your entrance. D9 can't tnb so I am not looking to get into one unless I am force to. I choose BnZ in furball because it give me a higher chances of taking my bird back home. I found out whenever i take my K4 to a furball, I usually dont bring it back home. Playing so late at night lately I end up having to dust off my K4 and take it around looking for a fight, and leave the D9 in the hanger=/. I seldomly run into a 1 vs 1 w/ my K4, it's either 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3 most the time, or the other way around. When I fly K4 I hope for 1 vs 1, but I don't expect it. I usually welcome the horde =), hoping to take a few down b4 I get shot down. However, through all my recent K4 addiction I found to love my countryman bnzmer. They seem to be the best thing in a furball at many times, when it gets hairy and I need a clear six.

I found out D9 is the hardest plane to survive as a BnZmer, just because it "can't" turnfight at all. Once in a while when I have to take a D9 vs a spit in tnb, I'd win, but 95% of the time, any spit pilot would take my D9 down if I'm caught otd doing 200 knts. I fly F4u-4, tempest, p-51 as bnzmer sometime, and those planes are just great. F4u-4 and tempest I feel like rambo flying them. They allow me to get into a tnb situation as needed when I BnZ. Let say I need to make a few turns to maintain on someone's six, in F4u-4 and tempest I could NP, if I get jump by LA-7 or spit, I can tnb v. them in F4u-4 and tempest just fine. Usually I'd win against most spit pilots in f4u-4 and tempest in tnb situation, granted they r not saantana or so. I also found out my k/t ratio in F4u-4 and tempest is almost 40% more then D9. Which probably because they allow me to get down and dirty as often as I want and not worry about being corner. I'm a big D9 fan, because I fly them since AW so it's just hard to give it up for tempest or F4u-4, even those they offer so much more then what a D9 can.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Delirium on June 24, 2008, 03:29:30 AM
I only fly BnZ when it's a thick furball situation, I find out BnZ doesn't work where there's few enemy because you need #s to mask your entrance. 

Call the above statement it for what it is, don't mask this one too.

I've seen you fly, you don't need to BnZ, quit watching the score board and enjoy the fight a little.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 24, 2008, 03:37:55 AM
Call the above statement it for what it is, don't mask this one too.

I've seen you fly, you don't need to BnZ, quit watching the score board and enjoy the fight a little.

^^ I do, in my k4. Only effective way I find for my D9 is BnZ, so guess what !! that's what imma do it in it =)
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Xasthur on June 24, 2008, 03:58:03 AM
Yenny, do yourself a favour and give the Dora a chance in a dogfight. It won't get down and dirty like a K4 can but it will roll around in the mud pretty well.

Edit:
This is just a suggestion, I'm not trying to tell you how to fly. The Dora can be fun, that's all. Also, spanking some avacado and getting "190s suck in turnfights, that's BS" on 200 is always good for a laugh.



Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 24, 2008, 04:18:48 AM
Yenny, do yourself a favour and give the Dora a chance in a dogfight. It won't get down and dirty like a K4 can but it will roll around in the mud pretty well.

Edit:
This is just a suggestion, I'm not trying to tell you how to fly. The Dora can be fun, that's all. Also, spanking some avacado and getting "190s suck in turnfights, that's BS" on 200 is always good for a laugh.





Well dora does okay vs bad pilots, i took a 1 vs 3 in a dora vs spit, k4 and a 47 and survived w/ 2 kills and a proxie. But i think it was those guys were just really new. I spent a week tnbin w/ D9 at TT, it was bad. They'd take 4-5 min to take my D9 down but I can't put my round into anyone because I have to constantly reversing and breaking, and at 150-200 knts d9 just doesn't nose up for a snapshot that easily=/. I do however want and need to see some film of D9 tnb action though, so I can take note. Just yet to find it.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Scca on June 24, 2008, 08:34:07 AM
Yenny,

Quick question, have you ever thought of flying some of the other planes in the plane set?  Come on, break out of the dweeb mold.  It's clear you primarily fly uber rides (190D, LA7, P51m F4U-4, Tempest and 262's). 

It appears by the chatter, you are an expert at BNZ, maybe it's time to get down and dirty.  I challenge you to only fly 9+ eny planes for a tour.

Of course, that might effect your K/D, nevermind.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: betty on June 24, 2008, 08:50:26 AM
What's the difference of coming in a 5-7k diving on guys at 2k any different than coming in at 10K diving on guys at 5k? Besides how does he know before getting there that they didn't climb to 15K? Anyway thats nor here nor there, I don't know Yenny from adam and he could be a total duche for all I know. But this thread is not about that, it's about betty whinning on 200 when she died ranting on about him BnZing her to death when I didn't see that. He dove in, pulled up, flipped over and toasted her. He asked if she wanted him to post film and he did. Second film I saw him trying to fight a yak that kept evading him then he gets jumped by several others, then when he is slow and turning with a hurri the others basically let her fight him after he was in a bad way. What he has done in other fights is not the topic of the thread. Just looking at this with out bias toward either player. To often on here friends tend to come on and stick up for people even if they are in the wrong because they either like them or don't like the other person and don't respond with either truthful or rational replies.

well HONDO...the part of the fights yall didn't see on the film is when thats ALL yenny does is BnZ. all i have to say is that is must be REALLY boring to fly around getting kills by bnz'n and not earning the 6 shot. but thats the way he wants to play and thats why he pays 15.00 per month to play it his way. all i can say is yenny knows who owns who in the DA. 
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 24, 2008, 09:09:43 AM
Betty how do we know that when "you don't DA" ?
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: betty on June 24, 2008, 09:16:02 AM
Betty how do we know that when "you don't DA" ?


dude i go to the da.....now off my ankel!
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 24, 2008, 09:17:52 AM
who would wanna get on cankles like that?  :huh 
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 24, 2008, 09:26:33 AM
Yenny,

Quick question, have you ever thought of flying some of the other planes in the plane set?  Come on, break out of the dweeb mold.  It's clear you primarily fly uber rides (190D, LA7, P51m F4U-4, Tempest and 262's). 

It appears by the chatter, you are an expert at BNZ, maybe it's time to get down and dirty.  I challenge you to only fly 9+ eny planes for a tour.

Of course, that might effect your K/D, nevermind.

G2 and K4 to that list, I can tnb but I just usually don't like to.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Rebel on June 24, 2008, 09:28:15 AM
Betty's a good stick in that hurri.   I'd like to think I dont' BnZ the entire time  :)
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 24, 2008, 09:28:35 AM
well HONDO...the part of the fights yall didn't see on the film is when thats ALL yenny does is BnZ. all i have to say is that is must be REALLY boring to fly around getting kills by bnz'n and not earning the 6 shot. but thats the way he wants to play and thats why he pays 15.00 per month to play it his way. all i can say is yenny knows who owns who in the DA. 

Please Betty, we did what 4 matches? P51 v. Tiff, Tiff v. Tiff I won those 2, and I lost D9 v. Tiff 2x. I tried to tnb D9 vs Tiff but I just couldn't do it and it was in the spirit of seeing what ya can do with flying.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: betty on June 24, 2008, 09:35:28 AM
Please Betty =) we did what 4 matches? P51 v. Tiff, Tiff v. Tiff I won those 2, and I lost D9 v. Tiff 2x. I tried to tnb D9 vs Tiff but I just couldn't do it =)


first off....u did NOT win me in the tiff, i got u the first time, and the second i augered. i have a squadie that was there watching yenny. secondly i DID NOT tnb my tiff, its NOT a tnb plane so make up whatever excuses u want. you and i BOTH know what happened and so does my squadie. this is exactly why you bnz..cuz u dont stand a chance 1v1 in co alt fight. any one that has faught me in my tiff knows that i dont tnb. you seem to be stuck on that only because you are grasping at straws for a reason of you losing them fights 1v1 co alt. it was YOUR choice to fly the dora against my tiff, i have went up against many in a dora co alt and a few have whooped on me. yenny my suggestion to you would be to spend some time in the TA, learn you ACM's, actually take time to LEARN them. cuz your bnz crap is for the birds.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: jerkins on June 24, 2008, 09:43:17 AM
IMO, most augers in the DA mean the pilot was flown into the ground by the better pilot for that round.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 24, 2008, 09:44:07 AM

first off....u did NOT win me in the tiff, i got u the first time, and the second i augered. i have a squadie that was there watching yenny. secondly i DID NOT tnb my tiff, its NOT a tnb plane so make up whatever excuses u want. you and i BOTH know what happened and so does my squadie. this is exactly why you bnz..cuz u dont stand a chance 1v1 in co alt fight. any one that has faught me in my tiff knows that i dont tnb. you seem to be stuck on that only because you are grasping at straws for a reason of you losing them fights 1v1 co alt. it was YOUR choice to fly the dora against my tiff, i have went up against many in a dora co alt and a few have whooped on me. yenny my suggestion to you would be to spend some time in the TA, learn you ACM's, actually take time to LEARN them. cuz your bnz crap is for the birds.

I need to learn ACM ? ^^ r u sure? my choice to fly the dora vs tiff is because I want to see how well a dora can handle vs a tiff down and dirty. The answer was it can't=). TnB is about everything that is low and slow. I asked you to the DA to see how well you can fight for having such a big mouth, ^^ i wasn't dueling as serious, half them plane I never flew til i duel ya. If I had the intend for a serious duel I wouldn't gone dora vs tiff. It was a measurement to see where you stand, I needed to know since you seem to cry and moan every time you get shot down. Acting like "you're" better then others? and that if they "shoot" you down, they r doing something wrong.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: betty on June 24, 2008, 09:58:43 AM
I need to learn ACM ? ^^ r u sure? my choice to fly the dora vs tiff is because I want to see how well a dora can handle vs a tiff down and dirty. The answer was it can't=). TnB is about everything that is low and slow. I asked you to the DA to see how well you can fight for having such a big mouth, ^^ i wasn't dueling as serious, half them plane I never flew til i duel ya. If I had the intend for a serious duel I wouldn't gone dora vs tiff. It was a measurement to see where you stand, I needed to know since you seem to cry and moan every time you get shot down. Acting like "you're" better then others? and that if they "shoot" you down, they r doing something wrong.


smh...yenny you called me in the DA, u learned that its not the best choice to fight me tiff vs dora...i dont think i'm better than anyone...however...i DO put up a lot better fight than some of the guys in here, i dont fly around lookin for the ez pick, i fly around lookin for the best fight, the fights that get your heart rate up, the ones that make you do nothin but want more afterwards. you will NEVER understand the way i play MY game, AH has taken the turn for the worst in the past year or so, like i said in other posts. the fights are NOT what they used to be, and i'm pretty sure others will agree with me on this. and as far as cry or moan .....neg batman...i only say somethin bout bein shot down when the guy that did it did NOT earn the kill but chose to fly just like u. bnz, run, bnz, run...i'm done with you yenny, only thing i can say now is that i feel bad for you cuz ur too damn dumb to understand what i am tryin to say to you, yes yenny, take your time to learn ACM's, bnz is NOT a acm, runnin is NOT an acm, and that is exactly what you do, every encounter i have had with you, you have ran or done nothin but bnz. enjoy your cheesy pick and bnz kills. if thats what makes your game fun then do it, however i will NEVER respect you game play. now i am done with you.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 24, 2008, 10:02:43 AM

smh...yenny you called me in the DA, u learned that its not the best choice to fight me tiff vs dora...i dont think i'm better than anyone...however...i DO put up a lot better fight than some of the guys in here, i dont fly around lookin for the ez pick, i fly around lookin for the best fight, the fights that get your heart rate up, the ones that make you do nothin but want more afterwards. you will NEVER understand the way i play MY game, AH has taken the turn for the worst in the past year or so, like i said in other posts. the fights are NOT what they used to be, and i'm pretty sure others will agree with me on this. and as far as cry or moan .....neg batman...i only say somethin bout bein shot down when the guy that did it did NOT earn the kill but chose to fly just like u. bnz, run, bnz, run...i'm done with you yenny, only thing i can say now is that i feel bad for you cuz ur too damn dumb to understand what i am tryin to say to you, yes yenny, take your time to learn ACM's, bnz is NOT a acm, runnin is NOT an acm, and that is exactly what you do, every encounter i have had with you, you have ran or done nothin but bnz. enjoy your cheesy pick and bnz kills. if thats what makes your game fun then do it, however i will NEVER respect you game play. now i am done with you.

lol okay betty, damn hit enter twice for a new paragraph next time though. Like you said each do to their own 15$, I can get down and dirty, but I just don't like to. D9 is not design for down and dirty. You assuming you know ACM but after my duel w/ ya I really don't think you do, but who am I to say anything =). carry on
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: betty on June 24, 2008, 10:35:57 AM
lol okay betty, damn hit enter twice for a new paragraph next time though. Like you said each do to their own 15$, I can get down and dirty, but I just don't like to. D9 is not design for down and dirty. You assuming you know ACM but after my duel w/ ya I really don't think you do, but who am I to say anything =). carry on


enough said. i'm sorry my paragraph was too much for you to read yenny, next time i'll keep it in shorter sentences and smaller words for you to understand them better. as far as my ACM's go. you can ask anyone that has faught me in the DA. its not may fault that you don't recognize a ACM when you see one. so i'm offically done with you. dismissed....
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: angelsandair on June 24, 2008, 11:17:10 AM
Yenny,

Quick question, have you ever thought of flying some of the other planes in the plane set?  Come on, break out of the dweeb mold.  It's clear you primarily fly uber rides (190D, LA7, P51m F4U-4, Tempest and 262's). 

It appears by the chatter, you are an expert at BNZ, maybe it's time to get down and dirty.  I challenge you to only fly 9+ eny planes for a tour.

Of course, that might effect your K/D, nevermind.

Hey Genius, the 190D9's eny is 15...  :lol

I'm sure it'll be really really easy for him to do that.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: angelsandair on June 24, 2008, 11:21:50 AM

first off....u did NOT win me in the tiff, i got u the first time, and the second i augered. i have a squadie that was there watching yenny. secondly i DID NOT tnb my tiff, its NOT a tnb plane so make up whatever excuses u want. you and i BOTH know what happened and so does my squadie. this is exactly why you bnz..cuz u dont stand a chance 1v1 in co alt fight. any one that has faught me in my tiff knows that i dont tnb. you seem to be stuck on that only because you are grasping at straws for a reason of you losing them fights 1v1 co alt. it was YOUR choice to fly the dora against my tiff, i have went up against many in a dora co alt and a few have whooped on me. yenny my suggestion to you would be to spend some time in the TA, learn you ACM's, actually take time to LEARN them. cuz your bnz crap is for the birds.

And once again, this isnt a legit reason to fight about......  :rolleyes:

Wow, leave it up to the adults to fight and rant on the forums over something stupid as this "oh noes, BnZ!! He gonna BnZ me, I'm gonna go rant on the forums cuz I got BnZ'd!!!!"

Take it to a PM or find a legit reason to fight about. In WW2, most pilots who got low and slow didn't live to tell about it, it was usually the BnZ'rs who made it home with more kills, thats just cold hard facts. If you dont like BnZ'rs, take up a Tempest, go co-alt w/ them and kill them.

The CMustard and BearKats fight was alot better than this one.  :noid
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: betty on June 24, 2008, 12:00:04 PM
And once again, this isnt a legit reason to fight about......  :rolleyes:

Wow, leave it up to the adults to fight and rant on the forums over something stupid as this "oh noes, BnZ!! He gonna BnZ me, I'm gonna go rant on the forums cuz I got BnZ'd!!!!"

Take it to a PM or find a legit reason to fight about. In WW2, most pilots who got low and slow didn't live to tell about it, it was usually the BnZ'rs who made it home with more kills, thats just cold hard facts. If you dont like BnZ'rs, take up a Tempest, go co-alt w/ them and kill them.

The CMustard and BearKats fight was alot better than this one.  :noid


the reason this was posted was because i asked him to post the films dummy.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: DaveJ on June 24, 2008, 12:04:33 PM
Tell us all of your genius ACMs Betty. You always talk about them, and now I'd love to hear about them!

And if you don't TnB with a Tiffie fighting an enemy co-alt, how exactly do you do it then?  :huh
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Scca on June 24, 2008, 01:00:19 PM
Hey Genius, the 190D9's eny is 15...  :lol

I'm sure it'll be really really easy for him to do that.
Thank you for the clarification.  I have to work during the day so I couldn't log in to find that out.  I thought it was lower than that, but I guess that's just the pilots that fly it.

Speaking of working, Yenny has flown 159 +/- hours this tour alone.  That's over 6 and a half ours a day on average.  That's about half the time my entire squad has been onand we have 17 members.  All I can say is WOW!
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 24, 2008, 01:13:55 PM
^_^ omg i'm on vacation til aug !
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: betty on June 24, 2008, 05:53:33 PM
^_^ omg i'm on vacation til aug !


its not called vacation ....its called unemployment!
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: betty on June 24, 2008, 05:56:38 PM
Tell us all of your genius ACMs Betty. You always talk about them, and now I'd love to hear about them!

And if you don't TnB with a Tiffie fighting an enemy co-alt, how exactly do you do it then?  :huh



smh.....noobs...gotta luv em. davej, maybe you can go to the TA and learn them.

high yoyo
low yoyo
lag roll
split s
reversal

these are mostly the ones i use i have however gotta better at my reversal, it takes me less time, i still have SOME trouble with the lagroll but practice makes perfect.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: RedTop on June 24, 2008, 06:20:02 PM
I havent played in a while...hardly at all this year really....so I have no dog in this mytitsbiggerthanyourpeepe fight.....

But....One of the people here says that BnZ is lame yets says they dont TnB in a certain ride....syas they dont pick...and I know they do both....Funny reading this crap....

Just reminds me why I don't fly all that much....and only miss the squaddies and a couple guys I fly with when I do.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: angelsandair on June 24, 2008, 06:20:50 PM

the reason this was posted was because i asked him to post the films dummy.

still isn't a legit fight. Go DA again.  :noid
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Masherbrum on June 24, 2008, 06:23:53 PM
I havent played in a while...hardly at all this year really....so I have no dog in this mytitsbiggerthanyourpeepe fight.....

But....One of the people here says that BnZ is lame yets says they dont TnB in a certain ride....syas they dont pick...and I know they do both....Funny reading this crap....

Just reminds me why I don't fly all that much....and only miss the squaddies and a couple guys I fly with when I do.

You big sexy pink golf shirt wearing lug you.   :devil
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: RedTop on June 24, 2008, 06:26:01 PM
You big sexy pink golf shirt wearing lug you.   :devil

Hiya Cutey Patootey.....and btw it was SALMON colored    :lol
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Angrist on June 24, 2008, 06:29:04 PM
REDTOP!!  :salute Sir!
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: RedTop on June 24, 2008, 06:30:51 PM
REDTOP!!  :salute Sir!

Hiya Bud :salute
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Stang on June 24, 2008, 06:49:15 PM
Don't let that right knee move away from the target!
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Masherbrum on June 24, 2008, 06:49:41 PM
Don't let that right knee move away from the target!

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

<runs from RedTop>
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: RedTop on June 24, 2008, 06:52:17 PM
Don't let that right knee move away from the target!

 :lol Thanks.....it's working well.

Shot 66 sunday...8 birdies...3 bogies. Won my match 5 & 3. Had to give the guy 5 shots as well. I'm working on getting ya some vid this week to see if I am in the right spots....Thanks again for the help.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: RedTop on June 24, 2008, 06:53:40 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

<runs from RedTop>


 :rofl :rofl :lol :cry :rofl
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Gixer on June 24, 2008, 07:16:47 PM


smh.....noobs...gotta luv em. davej, maybe you can go to the TA and learn them.

high yoyo
low yoyo
lag roll
split s
reversal

these are mostly the ones i use i have however gotta better at my reversal, it takes me less time, i still have SOME trouble with the lagroll but practice makes perfect.

Text book ACM is nice though some is only good for air shows. Generally I try stick with the same moves that work for most merges and reversals that suit the Yak, whether 1 v 1 or 1 v many. IMHO the most important skill by far is SA being able to keep track in your mind where all the CONS are in a 3D space without having to watch them constantly, it's just like ATC at times though faster and with hopefully less trafic. Levi was outstanding example of someone with great SA. Text book ACM comes second and in 1 v many some of those basic ACM moves will quickly get you killed.

Important ACM to do well is reversals and you only need to know 1 or 2 well and be able to string them together, not the entire Shaws bible.


<S>...-Gixer
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: betty on June 24, 2008, 07:52:13 PM
Text book ACM is nice though some is only good for air shows. Generally I try stick with the same moves that work for most merges and reversals that suit the Yak, whether 1 v 1 or 1 v many. IMHO the most important skill by far is SA being able to keep track in your mind where all the CONS are in a 3D space without having to watch them constantly, it's just like ATC at times though faster and with hopefully less trafic. Levi was outstanding example of someone with great SA. Text book ACM comes second and in 1 v many some of those basic ACM moves will quickly get you killed.

Important ACM to do well is reversals and you only need to know 1 or 2 well and be able to string them together, not the entire Shaws bible.


<S>...-Gixer


i'm not bad at the reversals, i was better with it before i took break from the game back in janurary to like april'ish. the lag roll is hard for me for some reason, kermit taught me how to do it but sometimes i am able to do it and other times i mess it up.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: redman555 on June 24, 2008, 08:44:49 PM

dont expect an ez kill from anyone...i personally would rather have someone put up a good fight. you sir do nothing but bnz and run. but that is why you pay your 15.00 per month. each of us have our own style of game play. i fly to find a good fight live or die. but i can promise you this...u will NEVER see me running from a fight. and you also was NOT the only green guy there. if you look sunfan was there with you. so this also makes you a liar. just thought i would point that out..but you fly how u want to fly. it just has to be boring to play a game like that. guess i'll never know. my style of game play is NO ho's, NO ram's, NO runnin. i look for a good fight. maybe some day yenny when you grow up you can play with the big kids. till then you stay in the kiddy pool.

gotta agree wit betty, that whole video all i saw was BnZing


-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 24, 2008, 08:49:58 PM
why is this thread still going?
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: DaveJ on June 24, 2008, 09:02:50 PM


smh.....noobs...gotta luv em. davej, maybe you can go to the TA and learn them.

high yoyo
low yoyo
lag roll
split s
reversal

these are mostly the ones i use i have however gotta better at my reversal, it takes me less time, i still have SOME trouble with the lagroll but practice makes perfect.
Lol Betty, please. I know all of these ACMs, I just wanted to hear them from you because you always mention how " I took time to learn my ACMs".

And by the way, hardly a noob. I've been playing this game longer than you. I remember when you first started playing.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Spazzter on June 25, 2008, 11:32:50 AM
IMO, most augers in the DA mean the pilot was flown into the ground by the better pilot for that round.

Agreed!!!!

<S>
Spazz
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Rusty88 on June 25, 2008, 11:45:19 AM
Who cares that Yenny was Bnz'n! Its a valid tactic, and Betty is the one who started crying on 200 about getting killed and then asked for film.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: redman555 on June 25, 2008, 01:24:52 PM
Who cares that Yenny was Bnz'n! Its a valid tactic, and Betty is the one who started crying on 200 about getting killed and then asked for film.

a valid tactic? more like somone with no family jewels tactic


-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 25, 2008, 01:30:35 PM
What I'm saying is, I don't think I did any BnZming action in those two film I posted. I have a pretty good clue of what BnZ is, and I don't see those 2 film as bnz. Approaching at 10k, I see a lower contact of course I'm gonna dive down to engage and do a loop to bring speed down again under control rather then a flat turn. Simplify because at 400 knots flat turn will not turn around fast enough to get on my opponent. Especially vs a Hurricane, that has a much "tighter" turn radius then a 109G2.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Cajunn on June 25, 2008, 01:45:43 PM
I'm a BnZ fly-er, I'm not a turn fighter....and as it was said before that is a tactic. I'm not a furballer most of the time and I participate in base taking so it benefits me to stay alive to Cap bases if I'm not taking down the town. And because in this game people can just keep upping plane after plane after getting shot down its an affective tactic while taking bases.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 25, 2008, 01:56:41 PM
I'm a BnZ fly-er, I'm not a turn fighter....and as it was said before that is a tactic. I'm not a furballer most of the time and I participate in base taking so it benefits me to stay alive to Cap bases if I'm not taking down the town. And because in this game people can just keep upping plane after plane after getting shot down its an affective tactic while taking bases.


You can't enjoy the game your way Cajunn! it's their way or the flame way!
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: mentalguy on June 25, 2008, 02:15:19 PM
And by the way, hardly a noob. I've been playing this game longer than you. I remember when you first started playing.

I think i'm gonna call BS on that, you post too much crap about the game to have been here for awhile.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 25, 2008, 02:23:10 PM
i call BS on it too, and thats based on how he flies
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Kermit de frog on June 25, 2008, 02:27:13 PM
shenanigans?

 :lol
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: BillyD on June 25, 2008, 02:54:47 PM
I'm gonna Pistol whip the next one of you that calls shenannigans!


Hey Farva......whats that place you like with the mozzerela sticks and all the shiz on the walls?
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Kermit de frog on June 25, 2008, 02:57:32 PM
 :rofl


You mean Shenanigans?
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: BillyD on June 25, 2008, 03:10:49 PM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yeager on June 25, 2008, 03:50:30 PM
you post too much crap about the game to have been here for awhile.
There is a lot of thruth to this as a general rule.  The longer a person has played AH the less they tend to get wrapped up in gameplay issues.  The game is what it is, and most long time players simply play the silly game and have fun.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: DaveJ on June 25, 2008, 06:01:33 PM
I think i'm gonna call BS on that, you post too much crap about the game to have been here for awhile.

Call bs all you want. I was hoshot when I first started playing,and ace31st after that. I go back four and a half years.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: DaveJ on June 25, 2008, 06:06:04 PM
i call BS on it too, and thats based on how he flies

Coming from a guy who picks at TT all day in a 190 and only engaged me with an Alt advantage.

Plus, its not really an accomplishment to kill me at Tt since there is always a horde on my 38 anyway.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Tr1gg22 on June 25, 2008, 06:14:00 PM
lol yenny next time u should blow all ur e and let her get the advantage..thats how they did it in ww2 :rofl How dumb of u to use ur head :rofl
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Masherbrum on June 25, 2008, 06:17:33 PM
Call bs all you want. I was hoshot when I first started playing,and ace31st after that. I go back four and a half years.

I go back over 6 years, does that make me a "Sh*t Hot Pileit" that is better than yourself at 4.5 years?
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: DaveJ on June 25, 2008, 06:25:08 PM
I go back over 6 years, does that make me a "Sh*t Hot Pileit" that is better than yourself at 4.5 years?

No. When did I ever say that I am. Was simply countering Betty's point when I said how many years I have been playing.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Slash27 on June 25, 2008, 07:13:58 PM
:rofl


You mean Shenanigans?


meow
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 25, 2008, 07:21:36 PM
Coming from a guy who picks at TT all day in a 190 and only engaged me with an Alt advantage.

Plus, its not really an accomplishment to kill me at Tt since there is always a horde on my 38 anyway.

 :rofl :lol :rofl :lol  i think i just peed myself laughing so hard  :lol
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Widewing on June 25, 2008, 08:21:46 PM

first off....u did NOT win me in the tiff, i got u the first time, and the second i augered. i have a squadie that was there watching yenny. secondly i DID NOT tnb my tiff, its NOT a tnb plane so make up whatever excuses u want. you and i BOTH know what happened and so does my squadie. this is exactly why you bnz..cuz u dont stand a chance 1v1 in co alt fight. any one that has faught me in my tiff knows that i dont tnb. you seem to be stuck on that only because you are grasping at straws for a reason of you losing them fights 1v1 co alt. it was YOUR choice to fly the dora against my tiff, i have went up against many in a dora co alt and a few have whooped on me. yenny my suggestion to you would be to spend some time in the TA, learn you ACM's, actually take time to LEARN them. cuz your bnz crap is for the birds.

Betty, you said above, "any one that has faught (sic) me in my tiff knows that i dont tnb."

So, how do you fight it then? BnZ? Speed and altitude, zoom in and shoot?  LOLOL Pot-kettle, don't you think?

I've spent hours dueling with Yenny in Spits, F6Fs, 109 and the like. He's quite capable. Why don't you challenge him to a duel in Hurricanes? Just don't be shocked if you get your butt waxed.

He fought you in a straight up E fight, using his initial E to get position and he then maneuvered to maintain that position. You made the mistake of trying to climb with a low E state.

I can't ignore the vitriol directed at him, especially when you openly state that you "don't tnb" in a fast cannon fighter yourself.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: betty on June 25, 2008, 08:27:14 PM
Betty, you said above, "any one that has faught (sic) me in my tiff knows that i dont tnb."

So, how do you fight it then? BnZ? Speed and altitude, zoom in and shoot?  LOLOL Pot-kettle, don't you think?

I've spent hours dueling with Yenny in Spits, F6Fs, 109 and the like. He's quite capable. Why don't you challenge him to a duel in Hurricanes? Just don't be shocked if you get your butt waxed.

He fought you in a straight up E fight, using his initial E to get position and he then maneuvered to maintain that position. You made the mistake of trying to climb with a low E state.

I can't ignore the vitriol directed at him, especially when you openly state that you "don't tnb" in a fast cannon fighter yourself.

My regards,

Widewing


its apparent that you didn't read the rest of my posts in this thread. i DO NOT tnb in my tiff...if i have to i will but normally i do not, i use the ACM's that i learned and the advantages of the tiff when i fight.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 25, 2008, 08:32:53 PM
I think all those maneuver are part of TnB Betty. High yo yo, low yo yo, lagroll, etc..
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 25, 2008, 08:33:34 PM
Betty, you said above, "any one that has faught (sic) me in my tiff knows that i dont tnb."

So, how do you fight it then? BnZ? Speed and altitude, zoom in and shoot?  LOLOL Pot-kettle, don't you think?

I've spent hours dueling with Yenny in Spits, F6Fs, 109 and the like. He's quite capable. Why don't you challenge him to a duel in Hurricanes? Just don't be shocked if you get your butt waxed.

He fought you in a straight up E fight, using his initial E to get position and he then maneuvered to maintain that position. You made the mistake of trying to climb with a low E state.

I can't ignore the vitriol directed at him, especially when you openly state that you "don't tnb" in a fast cannon fighter yourself.

My regards,

Widewing

can you say "ownt"?

 :salute Widewing
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Widewing on June 25, 2008, 08:38:09 PM

its apparent that you didn't read the rest of my posts in this thread. i DO NOT tnb in my tiff...if i have to i will but normally i do not, i use the ACM's that i learned and the advantages of the tiff when i fight.

Betty, I read enough to see the obvious contradiction. You probably fight your Tiffie as I do, staying fast, maintaining E. You keep the other guy off balance and maneuvering, bleed him down and kill him. When the opportunity presents itself, you zoom in and catch a sleeper unaware. That's the tactics that best suit the Tiffie. There's absolutely nothing wrong with flying it like that.

However, that is exactly how Yenny fought your Hurricane in the first film. Nothing wrong with that either...

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 25, 2008, 08:45:26 PM
Why not TnB in a Typhie?  712 turn radius w/o flaps  548 turn radius w/flaps.  Thats tighter than all 3 38s, all the 47s, both 51s, and the C205  (www.gonzoville.com/charts (http://www.gonzoville.com/charts)  I got the Turn radii for all aircraft on here.  But just because it's in black and white doesn't mean it's gonna do that itself.  It is all up to the pilot

#S#
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Widewing on June 25, 2008, 09:07:41 PM
Why not TnB in a Typhie?  712 turn radius w/o flaps  548 turn radius w/flaps.  Thats tighter than all 3 38s, all the 47s, both 51s, and the C205  (www.gonzoville.com/charts (http://www.gonzoville.com/charts)  I got the Turn radii for all aircraft on here.  But just because it's in black and white doesn't mean it's gonna do that itself.  It is all up to the pilot

#S#

You can certainly turn fight with a Typhoon... Up to a point.

P-47s and P-38s can begin deploying flaps at much higher speeds than the Typhoon (400 mph for P-47s, 250 mph for P-38s). They will easily get inside the Tiffie as they bleed off speed faster. On the other hand, you have to get the Typhoon down to 160 mph to begin getting flaps out. Even without an enemy leaning all over you, this is not easy to do in a Typhoon. You will be dead long before you can scrub off that much E. It's similar to the 190s in that regard. Flaps are used at the top of a vertical reverse, but virtually nowhere else. Tiffies shouldn't consider fighting a Co-E P-38 in the vertical. It's almost certain death. The P-47s are far more stable at the limit than the Tiffie, so you have to be careful with those as well.

You can maneuver with an enemy, but you have to recognize if and when the other guy is gaining the advantage. Then you unload, build E and reset the fight.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 25, 2008, 09:12:45 PM
yup.  And i believe you helped with the info for that site didn't you Widewing? 
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Messiah on June 25, 2008, 10:18:19 PM
Why not TnB in a Typhie?  712 turn radius w/o flaps  548 turn radius w/flaps.  Thats tighter than all 3 38s, all the 47s, both 51s, and the C205  (www.gonzoville.com/charts (http://www.gonzoville.com/charts)  I got the Turn radii for all aircraft on here.  But just because it's in black and white doesn't mean it's gonna do that itself.  It is all up to the pilot

#S#

Ever tried to roll left in that sob?
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 25, 2008, 10:22:01 PM
yeah i have.  Thats why i turn right  :D
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: bizz on June 25, 2008, 10:51:06 PM
yeah i have.  Thats why i turn right  :D

And thats why I'll try to make you turn left when I'm in my 51 :D
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: betty on June 25, 2008, 11:59:04 PM
Betty, I read enough to see the obvious contradiction. You probably fight your Tiffie as I do, staying fast, maintaining E. You keep the other guy off balance and maneuvering, bleed him down and kill him. When the opportunity presents itself, you zoom in and catch a sleeper unaware. That's the tactics that best suit the Tiffie. There's absolutely nothing wrong with flying it like that.

However, that is exactly how Yenny fought your Hurricane in the first film. Nothing wrong with that either...

My regards,

Widewing


what u dont get is that was ALL he was doin over TT. nvm i'm done with this.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 12:56:47 AM

what u dont get is that was ALL he was doin over TT. nvm i'm done with this.

Or maybe you don't get it and call everything BnZ because flying myself solo into a group of 4-5 baddies, and then fight til we die on the deck is what BnZ is!
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Adonai on June 26, 2008, 01:32:53 AM
Or maybe you don't get it and call everything BnZ because flying myself solo into a group of 4-5 baddies, and then fight til we die on the deck is what BnZ is!

In your honest answer you do mean - Pick pick pick, get caught - killed re-up!
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 01:39:11 AM
In your honest answer you do mean - Pick pick pick, get caught - killed re-up!

Yea, I guess, it's kinda like what you do. I just go into a furball then just shoot stuff, and not care if that person is on another person since it's a furball. Except I don't work to regain my alt but sucker my enemy into flat turning vs my hurricane or G2. ^^ I've die to ur 109 while engaging another person plenty in TT.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Adonai on June 26, 2008, 01:49:56 AM
Yea, I guess, it's kinda like what you do. I just go into a furball then just shoot stuff, and not care if that person is on another person since it's a furball. Except I don't work to regain my alt but sucker my enemy into flat turning vs my hurricane or G2. ^^ I've die to ur 109 while engaging another person plenty in TT.

I never seen you fly a me109g2 so - please quite while you are ahead - I seen you fly a hurricane and ho everyone that will not turn n' burn with you. Yes you murdered my 109 while engaged to someone else - mainly because every time I tried to engaged you - your 4 x hispanos were aimed at my face!

modified: yes I have seen yenny fly a me-109g2 - however the only time he flies it; the reasonable answer why he gets shot down is "im sorry I was AFK" instead of the simple "Good kill"
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 01:55:29 AM
I never seen you fly a me109g2 so - please quite - I seen you fly a hurricane and ho everyone that will not turn n' burn with you. Yes you died to my 109 while engaged to someone else - mainly because every time I tried to engaged you - your 4 x hispanos were aimed at my face!
I
modified: yes I have seen yenny fly a me-109g2 - however the only time he flies it; the reasonable answer why he gets shot down is "im sorry I was AFK" instead of the simple "Good kill"



Do you mean I go into a unavoidable HO and you fire and I rolled out of it, while I hold my fire. Then you hop on 200 and accusing me of hoing . Like one in this recent fault accusation you made shown in this film of one of the fight today.

http://files.filefront.com/Hoingahf/;10798928;/fileinfo.html

Trust me I usually don't HO unless I'm in IL2 defending a base. HOing is like shooting myself in the foot, even in unavoidable HOing situation as I come down on top of a loop where I'm too low and slow to evade the HO pass, I won't fire. Though sometime I go down in flame and I wish I did fire because the other guy woulda gone down in flame too.

Actually I just don't give "good kill" to picker shot. I can't recall you shot me down in 1 vs 1 situation at TT, because it's usually I'm doing 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3 and you come down blasting me when I'm too slow to break. I just call it bad SA on my part, but I did choose to run into the horde by myself most the time.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Adonai on June 26, 2008, 01:59:47 AM
Or do you mean I go into a unavoidable HO and you fire and I rolled out of it, while I hold my fire. Then you hop on 200 and accusing me of hoing . Like one in this recent fault accusation you made shown in this film of one of the fight today.

http://files.filefront.com/Hoingahf/;10798928;/fileinfo.html

Trust me I usually don't HO unless I'm in IL2 defending a base. HOing is like shooting myself in the foot, even in unavoidable HOing situation as I come down on top of a loop where I'm too low and slow to evade the HO pass.

Yenny - you do Ho anyone you get an opportunity too so lets not try to say you dont.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 02:04:35 AM
^^ plz man get a hold of yourself buddy. I usually won't last that long if I do =)
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Adonai on June 26, 2008, 02:07:56 AM
^^ plz man get a hold of yourself buddy. I usually won't last that long if I do =)

easy to say when your in your horde lol - I wish I could say my horde ever existed!
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 02:10:35 AM
easy to say when your in your horde lol - I wish I could say my horde ever existed!

No but how do you explain the movie I posted? Kinda caught ya shading the truth then try to put it on other. That's just one of the incident, I got plenty since I recorded all my flight. I'm just too lazy to go through them and edit it out. Come on man stop it before you kill all your credibility.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: bongaroo on June 26, 2008, 10:10:40 AM
If he didn't need so many advantages to feel like he's going to have a fun fight I'd have more respect for Yenny.

Having to always disengage from a good fight to climb, climb, climb to get a fight with an alt-monkey isn't very appealing to me.  I'll usually just practice my overshoot snapshots if they insist on constant bnz passes.

Betty said it.  It's his 15 bucks.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Xasthur on June 26, 2008, 01:16:25 PM
I just went to the DA with Yenny and had some great fights. He fights hard and fair and has a good attitude.

I look forward to hitting the DA with him again soon.

 :salute
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 01:25:43 PM
I just went to the DA with Yenny and had some great fights. He fights hard and fair and has a good attitude.

I look forward to hitting the DA with him again soon.

 :salute

Good practice bud, looking forward to next time.

 :salute
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Masherbrum on June 26, 2008, 05:42:50 PM
No but how do you explain the movie I posted? Kinda caught ya shading the truth then try to put it on other. That's just one of the incident, I got plenty since I recorded all my flight. I'm just too lazy to go through them and edit it out. Come on man stop it before you kill all your credibility.

....and you have some "Credibility"?    It's all I can do than to keep from laughing at this.  I do see you landing many in the Dora and Tempest, but not many in the G2.   

Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 05:52:02 PM
I'm a Dora pilot, not some G2 nubbie =). What does my "credibility" gotta do with which plane I fly? Anywho that replied was just a question posted for Adonai about a film where he got caught bluntly lied and started crap on 200
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Masherbrum on June 26, 2008, 06:28:54 PM
I'm a Dora pilot, not some G2 nubbie =). What does my "credibility" gotta do with which plane I fly? Anywho that replied was just a question posted for Adonai about a film where he got caught bluntly lied and started crap on 200

I guess you've never "started crap on 200"?   

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/Masherbrum/bligar.gif)
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 06:29:30 PM
Don't think I ever do, people always starts stuff when they get die, but oh well. Welcome to life =)
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Masherbrum on June 26, 2008, 06:31:01 PM
Don't think I ever do =)

You aren't the "recent AH'er" that you claim to be.    ;)    But, I'll continue to chuckle.   
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Adonai on June 26, 2008, 06:40:04 PM
I'm a Dora pilot, not some G2 nubbie =). What does my "credibility" gotta do with which plane I fly? Anywho that replied was just a question posted for Adonai about a film where he got caught bluntly lied and started crap on 200

I got caught? You mean Wrag got caught - I suggested you as the picker since lets see what planes we fly-

Me:
Bf 109G-14    49    89    114    64    0    316
Bf 109G-2             8    26    30    33    0    97
Bf 109G-6            35    57    47    35    0    174
Bf 109K-4            52    155    59    85    0    351

Yenny:
Bf 109K-4    0    95    26    47    0    168
F4U-4    39    17    2    113    0    171
Tempest    8    132    1    63    0    204
Fw 190D-9    105    216    152    105    0    578

So you tell me who generally is a "picker" But hey, almost 600 kills picking in a 190 - you do use your $15 well
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
^_^ I'm pretty sure I point out that I'm a BnZmer ^^? Though you only tally about 1000 out of my almost 2000 kills atm, gotta fill them other 800 kills brother, it's some where in them tnb planes=)
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: angelsandair on June 26, 2008, 06:44:43 PM
I got caught? You mean Wrag got caught - I suggested you as the picker since lets see what planes we fly-

Me:
Bf 109G-14    49    89    114    64    0    316
Bf 109G-2             8    26    30    33    0    97
Bf 109G-6            35    57    47    35    0    174
Bf 109K-4            52    155    59    85    0    351

Yenny:
Bf 109K-4    0    95    26    47    0    168
F4U-4    39    17    2    113    0    171
Tempest    8    132    1    63    0    204
Fw 190D-9    105    216    152    105    0    578

So you tell me who generally is a "picker" But hey, almost 600 kills picking in a 190 - you do use your $15 well


He can use it as he wants. It's his 15$$
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Adonai on June 26, 2008, 06:45:26 PM
^_^ I'm pretty sure I point out that I'm a BnZmer ^^? Though you only tally about 1000 out of my almost 2000 kills atm, gotta fill them other 800 kills brother, it's some where in them tnb planes=)

Dorthy from wizard of oz could rack up your kill score in a tour flying planes you do.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 06:48:45 PM
Adonai how about you review this film before you start pointing fingers at people.

http://files.filefront.com/Hoingahf/;10798928;/fileinfo.html
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: saantana on June 26, 2008, 06:54:53 PM
Love is in the air~~~~~~~
You guys rock!  :rock
Well since im a wel known newb I thought I'd put in my 10 cents for free  :D
To start out just want to say <S> to both Adonai and Yenny. Adonai for saving my prettythang mutliple times and to yenny for coming out of nowhere and blasting me out of the sky  :lol im always like : wtf did he come from?
I have to say I have respect for his shooting skills in the D9. Being my second favourite plane of choice (Im primarly a maxmasternoob of the hizooka equiped cheatfires) I really havent figured out how he can hit so many planes, where as in half of my attacks i simply miss   :O
Those are some awsome shooting skills yenny! Keep rocking bud.
Also to all people who will have the undenied urge to blast me with 'oh noes its the maxultranoob cheatfire driver!' just remember that I'm probably one of the few people who can attempt to claim their choice of the plane is historically significat :) the real 308 DID INDEED fly spixteens!!!
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: MonsterZer0 on June 26, 2008, 07:10:17 PM
Don't think I ever do, people always starts stuff when they get die, but oh well. Welcome to life =)

Are u sure that's true? I remember Just saying nice try capturing a base.  And having words with u on 200.  Many excuses about ground attack and not paying attention. How u got on my six 3 times and almost killed me.  Next time yenny keep this stuff off bbs. Your better off.  2 sit here on my high horse and claim i never talk crap on 200 is bs. We all do, we all get frustrated and say things we don't mean. Right yenny?  We can all post movies showing someone in the wrong.  Does that make us right if we do?
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 07:19:30 PM
I say stuff like "Nice HOing buddy" or "139 DENIED!". I try to keep it PC, but you are right =) at time it happen I do slips, I am human after all. I never intend for this thread to be a flame thread. I was just linking the movie Betty wanted, and people started flaming as usual. I think this is acutally my first flame thread outside of Help and Training Forum.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Masherbrum on June 26, 2008, 07:20:06 PM
Adonai how about you review this film before you start pointing fingers at people.

http://files.filefront.com/Hoingahf/;10798928;/fileinfo.html

Hang on.   I know WHY he did it, YOU know why he did that.   It is one of the FEW TIMES I will consider HOing.  He was outnumbered.  
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: saantana on June 26, 2008, 07:20:36 PM
<- pwned monster's tempest  :rock
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 07:21:36 PM
Are you sure =) he hoed me today too, and it was like a 1 vs 5. I don't care if he ho or not. If he does just admit it rather then denying. Everyoen HO in AH one time or another. I pick and I admit it, because that's what I do best w/ a D9.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 07:22:11 PM
Hang on.   I know WHY he did it, YOU know why he did that.   It is one of the FEW TIMES I will consider HOing.  He was outnumbered.   

You're missing the text conversation that goes w/ the action Kaya.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: MonsterZer0 on June 26, 2008, 07:22:50 PM
U seem 2 be a very cool guy yenny.  I like your communication on country and enjoy flying with u.  Next time just leave the bbs alone.  Realize how frustrated some get when they die and leave the 200 talk on 200. >S< Yenny
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Masherbrum on June 26, 2008, 07:23:56 PM
You're missing the text conversation that goes w/ the action Kaya.

Drama!!   Hang lemme watch it again.   :D

EDIT:   But you DID "Start it".   :)    But, that one is a good one. 
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 26, 2008, 07:31:12 PM
Well I had to go into his direction or he would have gotten a side shot on me. As usual I'd roll out of the way to avoid the HO as we get close. Oh yea that comment I started was reply to some comment that he doesn't HO. I've fought Adonai 1 vs 1 and 1 vs 5 a few times today. All of them, he hoed me, but I don't care it's not a big deal. It's not like I never die to a HO shot before. It's just when he make up stuff that doesn't happen and spam 200 about it kinda get annoying that's all =).
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: angelsandair on June 26, 2008, 07:46:33 PM
Well I had to go into his direction or he would have gotten a side shot on me. As usual I'd roll out of the way to avoid the HO as we get close. Oh yea that comment I started was reply to some comment that he doesn't HO. I've fought Adonai 1 vs 1 and 1 vs 5 a few times today. All of them, he hoed me, but I don't care it's not a big deal. It's not like I never die to a HO shot before. It's just when he make up stuff that doesn't happen and spam 200 about it kinda get annoying that's all =).

pwnt?
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Adonai on June 26, 2008, 08:14:38 PM
Well I had to go into his direction or he would have gotten a side shot on me. As usual I'd roll out of the way to avoid the HO as we get close. Oh yea that comment I started was reply to some comment that he doesn't HO. I've fought Adonai 1 vs 1 and 1 vs 5 a few times today. All of them, he hoed me, but I don't care it's not a big deal. It's not like I never die to a HO shot before. It's just when he make up stuff that doesn't happen and spam 200 about it kinda get annoying that's all =).

Hello cmustard, first off - your not the only hurricane in the area (not notice this do you?) - so yes I ho'd - if you notice my situation my oil got wacked on a ho by a hurricane and a 1 on how many situation? I fired as I had two planes behind me and 2 front of me one which did fire.

As for today - whine more about dying please.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: weazely on June 26, 2008, 08:15:54 PM
EDIT: whoops not cool
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Masherbrum on June 26, 2008, 09:10:49 PM
Yenny = CMustard?   
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Banshee7 on June 26, 2008, 09:32:04 PM
Yenny = CMustard?   

definitely not.  Yenny is way cooler and doesn't sound like Cmustard
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Xasthur on June 26, 2008, 10:54:42 PM
Yenny = CMustard?   

Not likely. Unless he is, of course, an unusually talented actor.

IIRC Yenny and Cmustrd existed at the same time too so I doubt it.

Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Husky01 on June 26, 2008, 10:59:07 PM
Yenny = CMustard?   

Doubt it.
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Widewing on June 26, 2008, 11:09:24 PM
Yenny = CMustard?   

No...  LOL....  Yenny is in the US Army.


My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Adonai on June 27, 2008, 12:58:34 AM
Way Yenny acts he reminds me of the one called cmustard  :aok
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: angelsandair on June 27, 2008, 04:46:17 AM
Way Yenny acts he reminds me of the one called cmustard  :aok

Yes, but yenny doesn't post rants on the General Discussion of how it's HTCs fault that he lost a duel with BearKats. If anything, you can atleast give him that. IMO, he's a pretty good stick. He's learned stuff in a few months that's taken me 2 years to learn... (course, I never went to TA, I prefered to learn on my own)
Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: Yenny on June 27, 2008, 05:39:40 AM
^_^ I don't post rant on anything claiming anything, just defending myself vs E thugs  :D

Title: Re: Films you wanted Betty
Post by: bongaroo on June 27, 2008, 08:03:38 AM
Love is in the air~~~~~~~
You guys rock!  :rock
Well since im a wel known newb I thought I'd put in my 10 cents for free  :D
To start out just want to say <S> to both Adonai and Yenny. Adonai for saving my uncle mutliple times and to yenny for coming out of nowhere and blasting me out of the sky  :lol im always like : wtf did he come from?
I have to say I have respect for his shooting skills in the D9. Being my second favourite plane of choice (Im primarly a maxmasternoob of the hizooka equiped cheatfires) I really havent figured out how he can hit so many planes, where as in half of my attacks i simply miss   :O
Those are some awsome shooting skills yenny! Keep rocking bud.
Also to all people who will have the undenied urge to blast me with 'oh noes its the maxultranoob cheatfire driver!' just remember that I'm probably one of the few people who can attempt to claim their choice of the plane is historically significat :) the real 308 DID INDEED fly spixteens!!!

You claim I am a cheater and have the film to prove it.  You still have yet to provide such film.  I think you were just mad that you couldn't kill a p38j in your spixtween when you had at least a 4k alt advantage from the go.  Your opinion is obviously of a very dubious nature.

Having my first cheating accusation while in my P38 did make my week though, so <S>!