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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: slipknot on June 23, 2008, 09:13:37 AM
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Was driving on the highway yesterday when a couple bikers, with their 'old ladies', came up behind me. 2 guys, one in his early-mid 30s, the other a bit older. Both looked like they really wanted to pass off as bad-asses. Small metal stormtrooper helmets, sleavless jackets, tattoos. The works. The bikes were both custom choppers, one with monkey hanger bars, the other most classic--with black leather saddlebags(or whatever you call them). Both were conservatively painted, and more resembled classy collector bikes than outlaw gang bikes--but then again, I'm no expert. They really wanted to look tough. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't. They did, however, correctly bank on the fact that I would not swerve and make small red spots out of them.
We were in the far left lane, doing about 75, and they were riding my bumper at a distance of about 2-3 yards. I sped up, made some more distance, but they closed it as fast as it had appeared. I tried doing it again and with the same result. At this point I was starting to close in on the car ahead of me, and really had no way to go but change lanes--which I refused to do because our speed was good enough for the far left, I didn't want to slow down, and I certainly didn't want to reward these hoots by letting them through.
So I gradualy let off on the gas, and watched the speed creep down to about 65.
At 60 the bikers were pretty much in my glove compartment, so I swallowed my pride and changed lanes to let them through. The younger of the two, as he passed, barked some inaudible words at me, then spits on the windshield.
As they cruised away, I watched them do the same tailgate routine to the next couple cars before they finally faded into the distance.
I know some of you guys are avid bikers, and am just curious--what the hell am I supposed to do in this situation? Yielding to every jerk who decides that 20 mph above the speed limit isn't enough, in my opinion, isn't a viable option. Then again, neither is sideswiping them into oncoming traffic--so what is the protocol here?
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Texas Rules of Engagement:
1) Slower traffic keep right.
2) If someone spits on your car, shoot the SOB.
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Texas Rules of Engagement:
1) Slower traffic keep right.
2) If someone spits on your car, shoot the SOB.
there is no "slower traffic" if you drive above speed limit
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Wash your windshield and accept that there will always be people who need to make themselves feel good about themselves by treating others poorly. A flaw in their character, not yours.
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At this point I was starting to close in on the car ahead of me, and really had no way to go but change lanes--which I refused to do because our speed was good enough for the far left, I didn't want to slow down, and I certainly didn't want to reward these hoots by letting them through.
At 60 the bikers were pretty much in my glove compartment, so I swallowed my pride and changed lanes to let them through.
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Well, as Cthulhu mentioned..
Slower traffic keep right. Had that been adhered, the spitting probably wouldn't have happened.
What concerns me, though, is which I refused to do because our speed was good enough for the far left. By who's judgement is that? You're already over the speed limit.. is it now a crime because somebody wants to go even faster than you are?
The other thing so I swallowed my pride and changed lanes to let them through. Why do you consider it swallowing your pride when you're simply excercising common courtesy? Or.. at least what USED to be common courtesy.
I don't understand why the bikers didn't pass you on the right if there was room for you to move over to start with.
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So you were holding up traffic in the left lane? You were in the wrong.
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there is no "slower traffic" if you drive above speed limit
:furious
Used to drive the 405 to work in Long Beach. Forgot how hard it was get anywhere in CA. So slow you could smell the guys breath beside you. Call us rebels here, but the police barely take notice unless your going 15 over the limit. And if you really want to get somewhere in a hurry, follow one when he's headed back to the barn at the end of his shift. 75+ ;)
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So you were holding up traffic in the left lane? You were in the wrong.
Gonna catch Hell for this, but I've heard those folks called:
"Left Lane Bandits", or my personal favorite, "The Anti-Destination League"
:D "I say, I say, it's a joke son" :D
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Well, as Cthulhu mentioned..
Slower traffic keep right. Had that been adhered, the spitting probably wouldn't have happened.
What concerns me, though, is which I refused to do because our speed was good enough for the far left. By who's judgement is that? You're already over the speed limit.. is it now a crime because somebody wants to go even faster than you are?
The other thing so I swallowed my pride and changed lanes to let them through. Why do you consider it swallowing your pride when you're simply excercising common courtesy? Or.. at least what USED to be common courtesy.
I don't understand why the bikers didn't pass you on the right if there was room for you to move over to start with.
I was the last car in a small line of cars on the left lane. We were all moving a couple miles per hour faster than the rest of traffic. I didn't want to give up my position because I was maintaining my speed, at a safe distance from the guy ahead. I was not the one dictating the speed of the lane, mind you, simply sticking with the speed of the lead car--some distance up ahead.
As far as common courtesy, I have no problem with it had they not started off by tailgating at a compeltely inappropriate distance. The right lane was partially clear during this little incident, and yes, they could have passed me, but they didn't. They insisted on pushing me out of the way. Once I realized that their need to squeeze me out was stronger than my need to hold my ground, I moved. The right lane was moving slightly slower, so I ended up having to slow down not long after changing lanes.
Pride is silly in this situation, but I'm only human, and in sticking to my guns, I don't believe I did anything that was out of line. I do not think it is my duty to yield to any salamander who decides that he must endanger himself and everyone around him every time the entire lane isn't moving as fast as he wants to.
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So you were holding up traffic in the left lane? You were in the wrong.
Once again, I was not holding anybody up. I was going the speed that was chosen by the lead car--which was 10-12 cars ahead of us. After I got out of the way, the bikers continued to squeeze everyone in that lane until I lost sight of them. There were at least several chances for them to pass on the right, but they continued to tailgate.
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Speaking on behalf of the slightly more curteous members of the biking world, I would like to apologise to Slippy here for those two spitting on his vehicle. There is no excuse for causing damage or projecting disgusting bodily fluids to anothers vehicle. Frankly, if some **** had spit on my bike he/she/it would suddenly find a gloved fist appearing through the window at the next set of traffic lights.
However, speaking for myself.......there is nothing more annoying than some numpty who seems to think 90 is a reasonable to speed to sit in the outside line with two lanes clear inside him because.....in about 2 miles.....he's gonna have to pull out again to overtake that truck in the middle lane. Awwwww, poor baby, don't like to turn that steering wheel in case it falls off? Don't wanna wear your indicators out? GET OUT OF MY ******* WAY! ****! And **** *** and your ****** with a **** ******** and **** **** ******** and a kipper!
Ahem. Sorry about that, my road rage apparently also manifests itself when merely thinking about it......
I even get narked when there's a big queue of traffic in the outside lane with a lane clear on the inside. I sit there behind someone shouting "Who exactly are you overtaking, the invisible ****ing man?! Why are you in the outside lane you ****?" And then a little voice inside says "Same reason you are Swoop....."
I don't see this as the domain of bikers though, I'd be exactly the same in a car......I want to cruise at 115. Just cos you don't is no reason to get in my way if there's another lane clear on the inside. If a car comes up behind me I'll move over, it's happened. Not often, but it's happened. Unsure why though, if my understanding of American traffic law is correct, these bikers didn't just change lanes themselves, I thought it was legal to undertake on US freeways? It's not on British ones.....hence me getting narked at car drivers who want the outside lane all to themselves. A copper told me once "if there was room to undertake then there was room to move over." Doesn't matter though, I'm still guilty of dangerous driving in the eyes of the law if I undertake.
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There Ape hangers! and get hell of the fast lane if someone wants to go faster is the protocol car, bike or tricycle.
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"We were in the far left lane, doing about 75, and they were riding my bumper at a distance of about 2-3 yards. I sped up, made some more distance, but they closed it as fast as it had appeared. I tried doing it again and with the same result. At this point I was starting to close in on the car ahead of me..."
In California you have to move over to allow faster vehicles to pass. I've been going 95 down I-5 before and moved into a slower lane to allow cars to pass.
That said slipknot you sound like you're an agressive driver- probably because, judging by the tone of your posts, you're so frustrated and angry- I'm glad you live in Texas, as we have enough idiots on the roads out here.
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There Ape hangers! and get hell of the fast lane if someone wants to go faster is the protocol car, bike or tricycle.
Ok, I get it. Somebody wants to go faster, you yield... Which is what I did. Granted, there was a delay, but I yeilded to the salamander after he acted like a salamander. I rewarded his salamanderish behavior by giving him the lane so that he could repeat his salamanderish behavior.
The focus of this situation was the spitting, and what does a guy do when faced with such a situation. Protocol or not, I don't think that spitting is a reasonable response for causing the guy to wait before overtaking.
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Thanks for the psycho-analysis, Carrel. I've never even been to texas.
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I was the last car in a small line of cars on the left lane. We were all moving a couple miles per hour faster than the rest of traffic. I didn't want to give up my position because I was maintaining my speed, at a safe distance from the guy ahead. I was not the one dictating the speed of the lane, mind you, simply sticking with the speed of the lead car--some distance up ahead.
As far as common courtesy, I have no problem with it had they not started off by tailgating at a compeltely inappropriate distance. The right lane was partially clear during this little incident, and yes, they could have passed me, but they didn't. They insisted on pushing me out of the way. Once I realized that their need to squeeze me out was stronger than my need to hold my ground, I moved. The right lane was moving slightly slower, so I ended up having to slow down not long after changing lanes.
Pride is silly in this situation, but I'm only human, and in sticking to my guns, I don't believe I did anything that was out of line. I do not think it is my duty to yield to any hoot who decides that he must endanger himself and everyone around him every time the entire lane isn't moving as fast as he wants to.
Ahh.. thanks for the clarification.
If you were solo, then my previous post holds, however, being part of a clump, and if the clump wasn't going as fast as you wanted, then I don't see a big problem with holding your position. The bikers should have recognized the situation and chilled, IMO. However, any biker that follows that closely at those speeds is asking for a date with concrete rash. Absolutely no room for avoiding debris. That would probably cause me to let them by. When I see idiots I'll back off just to let them get as far away from me as possible so I don't get involved when their stupidity catches up with them.
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Slower traffic in the right lane, faster traffic in the left lane. I agree, and adhere to that convention. As Texas custom dictates, I yield to faster traffic whenever its appropriate to do so.
However, if you're in the left lane going just as fast as everyone else in that lane, and merely maintaining a safe following distance from the vehicle to your front, the collective speed is at least the maximum speed limit, and the right lane is full of significantly slower moving traffic, screw any icehole who wants to drive a lot faster and tailgates. In that example, its the tailgater who is out of line.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with anyone who wants to drive very fast. I do so myself when in my opinion its safe to do so. On a completely open road, I will drive as fast as the vehicle I am driving is capable of doing safely - in some cases, cruise control set to 115-130 mph.
But when there is a significant amount of traffic within relatively close distance to each other in BOTH lanes, the speed that the preponderance of traffic in the left lane is moving is the speed I drive at. If you tailgate me, you place me and any passengers in my vehicle at risk. I will therefore take steps to see that you back off - up to, if you ignore more polite warnings, tossing a handful of pea gravel from the sack I carry for that reason out of my window.
Tailgaters are more dangerous and equally as onerous as folks who won't yield the left lane to faster traffic. I hate both types, but am prepared to take stronger action by far against tailgaters.
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Seems to me the entire situation would have been avoided had you been aware the bikes were closing on your tail and simply moved over when it was appropriate and safe to do so, if no one else was in front of you cauing your speed to be what it was.
They were wrong for vandalizing your car, but you did do your best to piss them off as well.
While two wrongs do not make a right, it was within your power to make everyone happy and not have to slow down or speed up in the process.
In Germany, on the autobahn, you would have been ticketed for your actions. Just FYI.
However, if you're in the left lane going just as fast as everyone else in that lane, and merely maintaining a safe following distance from the vehicle to your front, the collective speed is at least the maximum speed limit, and the right lane is full of significantly slower moving traffic, screw any icehole who wants to drive a lot faster and tailgates. In that example, its the tailgater who is out of line.
Quite right.
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Seems to me the entire situation would have been avoided had you been aware the bikes were closing on your tail and simply moved over when it was appropriate and safe to do so, if no one else was in front of you cauing your speed to be what it was.
They were wrong for vandalizing your car, but you did do your best to piss them off as well.
While two wrongs do not make a right, it was within your power to make everyone happy and not have to slow down or speed up in the process.
In Germany, on the autobahn, you would have been ticketed for your actions. Just FYI.
Quite right.
+1 Bones. :aok
You are lucky they only spit at you slipknot. They could have pulled out their piece and and given you a piece or two of lead.
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+1 Bones. :aok
You are lucky they only spit at you slipknot. They could have pulled out their piece and and given you a piece or two of lead.
Wow, now this thread is getting juicy!
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Once again, I was not holding anybody up. I was going the speed that was chosen by the lead car--which was 10-12 cars ahead of us. After I got out of the way, the bikers continued to squeeze everyone in that lane until I lost sight of them. There were at least several chances for them to pass on the right, but they continued to tailgate.
You didn't mention the other cars in the left lane in your first post. The lead car was in the wrong.
Personally I wish they would change the rule to "keep right unless overtaking"' ... and give out tickets for it. In the US police will forgive almost anything ... overtaking on the right, driving in the left lane when not overtaking, tailgaiting, etc etc, just as long as you obey the speed limit. On most fast roads in europe, like the autobahn, it is the opposite ... they will forgive any speed as long as you obey all the other rules. I think their system is superior.
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I sped up, made some more distance, but they closed it as fast as it had appeared. I tried doing it again and with the same result.
This is where you hosed it!
If had you just pulled over and let them buy in the first place, your speeding up and down you would not have closed the gap on the car in front of you. Who you say were making the pace. BS
I can tell you ALOT of what if's.... your gonna swallow your pride... big lump of it or a very tiny lump.
Had you just moved over in the 1st place, instead of spit, it would of been head nod maybe , with a smile :) specially if your "Ol'lady" was hot. :O :rofl :cool:
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Personally I wish they would change the rule to "keep right unless overtaking"' ... and give out tickets for it. In the US police will forgive almost anything ... overtaking on the right, driving in the left lane when not overtaking, tailgaiting, etc etc, just as long as you obey the speed limit. On most fast roads in europe, like the autobahn, it is the opposite ... they will forgive any speed as long as you obey all the other rules. I think their system is superior.
Couldn't agree more.:aok Here in the US, you can talk on your cell, slurp your Big Gulp, apply eye liner, and beat your kids while watching a DVD... just as long as you don't speed.
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If you are driving like a pokey grandma then get the fudge out of the left lane.
Go knit in the right lane if thats your thing.
on the other hand for douchbaggery, nothing spreads the love like an E-Brake check.
I always let faster traffic through if hes going 100 that means I can go 90 and he runs piggy interference for me V1 to pick up and alert me to.
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I'll move right for anybody that wants to go faster than me. I don't want those people directly behind me anyway. I always try to keep my ego out of it for the sake of my kids, whether they're with me or not.
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Thanks for the psycho-analysis, Carrel. I've never even been to texas.
You're welcome...but it's too bad you aren't from Texas cause it's justifiable homicide if you shoot someone for spitting on you or your property.
;)
Anyways I pull over and let people go past me, even if I'm going 90- that way if there's a cop he'll get them instead of me.
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The left lane is for passing (in the US).
I had the opportunity to drive all over Britain for a month, about 20 years ago. Everywhere (except big downtowns) drivers used the passing lane for passing. I was stunned that I almost never was held up by slower traffic. I wish all American drivers could experience that and learn how well it can work if everyone isn’t so selfish and stupid.
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I'll move right for anybody that wants to go faster than me. I don't want those people directly behind me anyway. I always try to keep my ego out of it for the sake of my kids, whether they're with me or not.
beat me to it with slightly different words. the left lane is the passing lane let those who wish to travel faster do so unbothred by slower traffic. loogies wipe off with window washer fluid. no harm no foul.
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whelp, you could've avoided all of this simply by following the law, and yielding to faster moving traffic. doesn't matter if they were above the speed limit or not, all you needed to do was slide into the next lane, let em by, and slide back out again.
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Eskimo - that was 20 years ago, unfortunately - it must have changed somewhat because now in anything more than light traffic, you often have people clogging up the right hand lane (fast-lane) over here.
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Personally I wish they would change the rule to "keep right unless overtaking"' ... and give out tickets for it. In the US police will forgive almost anything ... overtaking on the right, driving in the left lane when not overtaking, tailgaiting, etc etc, just as long as you obey the speed limit. On most fast roads in europe, like the autobahn, it is the opposite ... they will forgive any speed as long as you obey all the other rules. I think their system is superior.
Policing of driving varies a bit from country to country in Europe, but they are certainly not lenient on speeding. Even in Germany, the number of unrestricted sections of autobahn is shrinking. In the UK, speeding is used as a government cash cow and the country's road are now awash with various types of speed cameras. If you break the limit, you will get a ticket. A machine can't tell if there is great visibility, a dry road and no other traffic.
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Slippy sounds like you were tailgating the car in front of you...how do you think those folks felt?
Stay away from Bikers...When I see them I let them have the right of way no matter what...Know why?
I have seen A biker crash...it was something that I will never forget..I don't want to get graphic..but..
Think about what would happen when a few bikes get hit at those speeds...the carnage is something you never
want to see regardless of whos at fault!!
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there is no "slower traffic" if you drive above speed limit
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trust me, there is always someone driving faster in Texas. get out into West Texas you can pass people going 100 mph and some other nut will pass you doing 130. Of course the same can be true on the drive home from downtown Houston.
And if you really want to get somewhere in a hurry, follow one when he's headed back to the barn at the end of his shift. 75+ ;)
LOL, 7PM drive home is pretty quick just don't pass them.
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Eskimo - that was 20 years ago, unfortunately - it must have changed somewhat because now in anything more than light traffic, you often have people clogging up the right hand lane (fast-lane) over here.
The problem in the UK is that undertaking is illegal. Undertake and you get the ticket, not the person holding you up. I can understand that, but I think if thats the case the police should be ticketing people driving in the middle or outer lanes unnecessarily.
What this means is that one granny driving at 50 in the middle lane (or two trucks trying to overtake even though their speed restrictors mean they have a speed differential of about 1/4 mph effectively reduce a three lane road to one lane. Its not uncommon in the UK to have a queue of traffic in the outside lane with the two inside lanes virtually unused.
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my simple solution for annoying tailgaters... find the slowest cars on the road, match speed, and block said tailgater for 10-15 miles.....
really really makes them happy.... :t :t :t
actually done it when someone was being a complete a-hole behind me.... several times.. does it make me an a-hole too.. yep, but the gratification of watching someone beat the crap out of their interior in frustration is priceless..
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Wash your windshield and accept that there will always be people who need to make themselves feel good about themselves by treating others poorly. A flaw in their character, not yours.
I'm with AKIron on this one. :D
Really don't care about such people. They're just busy proving to the world how big loosers they are.
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I didn't read the entire thread, what I saw in page one and three was plenty. :rolleyes:
Short and sweet. If someone is tail gating let them by. It's not a race, you get no additional life points by being first at any destination or rest stop. If there is room to move to the right let them go. Life is too short to sweat the hemorrhoids of the world. Let them blast ahead. Who knows they may just go speeding past smokey around the corner and get nailed. Nothing sweeter while driving than watching some dipstick that hassled you get pulled over a couple miles down the road.
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Don't know if its different away form the east coast. but the left lane is the passing lane only.
Your supposed to stay to the right lane/s unless your passing someone.
Up and down the east coast you get tickets for failing to stay to the right.
I know I'm a left lane driver as well and have had my share of tickets for it.
NJ Turnpike its one of their favorite tickets to give
Now as soon as I see a cop. or I see someone closing behind me. I move to the right.
I know some cops who would have given you a ticket for failure to yield as well
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I didn't read the entire thread, what I saw in page one and three was plenty. :rolleyes:
Short and sweet. If someone is tail gating let them by. It's not a race, you get no additional life points by being first at any destination or rest stop. If there is room to move to the right let them go. Life is too short to sweat the hemorrhoids of the world. Let them blast ahead. Who knows they may just go speeding past smokey around the corner and get nailed. Nothing sweeter while driving than watching some dipstick that hassled you get pulled over a couple miles down the road.
I didn't see anybody getting pulled over, but I was avenged, in a way.
About 15 minutes after I lost sight of them, the area we were driving through was hit by the mother of all thunderstorms. Maybe they made it home before getting drenched, maybe they didn't.
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Sounds like a coupla bikers that havent been down yet at speed.
They probably havent learned there are no fender benders on a bike.
Being on 'choppers' means their ability to manuever is restricted..
..they dont stop well, turn well, and if they're Harley's ..they dont accelerate very well either
.. compared to every other motorcycle made.
I figure people like that deserve all the room they can get,
because as has been stated, their stupidity will catch up with them.
I dont want to get blood and guts all over my car when it does.
-Frank
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Sounds like a coupla bikers that havent been down yet at speed.
They probably havent learned there are no fender benders on a bike.
Being on 'choppers' means their ability to manuever is restricted..
..they dont stop well, turn well, and if they're Harley's ..they dont accelerate very well either
.. compared to every other motorcycle made.
I figure people like that deserve all the room they can get,
because as has been stated, their stupidity will catch up with them.
I dont want to get blood and guts all over my car when it does.
-Frank
:rofl
Well said!
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The law is slower traffic keep right. I have never seen it enforced.
Here in Arkansas, there is no drivers education, so throw all the rules & regs out the window.
Texas drivers OWN the Left lane (express lane) and are clueless about slower traffic keep right, even though there is a sign every few miles regarding it.
Driver's courtesy has gone downhill in the last 10 years. It almost dosen't exist anymore.
ROX
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if you're the only car in the fast lane then, hell yeah move over! if you're following others at a safe distance (as the OP) then the tailgaters have got to wait like evryone else.
tailgating 2 feet behind a car is REALLY dumb. on a bike its a darwin award nomination. easy solution, keep your speed and give the brake pedal a good 2s dab, enough to get the brake lights lit up in their face. that close, you can actually see the blood drain from their face in the mirror during their 0.1s reaction time :D
and yes I rode bikes for a few years, but not long enough to develop that kind of king-of-the-road bs attitude
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I will never understand the mentality of people who insist on trying to make people angry on the road. The "he did it to me first!" finger waving crowd should have thier drivers licenses revoked on the spot.
Children should not be allowed to play with full size cars.
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Don't mess with people who obviously don't care about their own lives.
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As has been said several times already: slower traffic keep right.
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As has been said several times already: slower traffic keep right.
http://www.komonews.com/news/20656789.html
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I didn't see anybody getting pulled over, but I was avenged, in a way.
About 15 minutes after I lost sight of them, the area we were driving through was hit by the mother of all thunderstorms. Maybe they made it home before getting drenched, maybe they didn't.
Maybe that's why they were in such a hurry..... ;)
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http://www.komonews.com/news/20656789.html
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I hardly consider 75 in a 55 as 'poking along', especially when there's a column of cars ahead of me doing the same speed.
Point taken, however... Let the tailgaters move on and seal their own fate--be it by traffic ticket or violent meeting with rear bumper.
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I'd love to see SlipKnot driving in the left lane on the AutoBahn in Germany.
"What?... Flash yer lights at me all you want.. I'm not moving over."
Guess what Slip? These bikers purposely chased you down in your Prius with the sole intentions of spitting on yer windshild.
:O
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I'd love to see SlipKnot driving in the left lane on the AutoBahn in Germany.
"What?... Flash yer lights at me all you want.. I'm not moving over."
Guess what Slip? These bikers purposely chased you down in your Prius with the sole intentions of spitting on yer windshild.
:O
1995 tahoe, hunter green.
I wrote a 40 page research paper some months back attempting to dispell the utility of hybrids as little more than a self-serving practice for people who want to flaunt their political correctness.
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The younger of the two, as he passed, barked some inaudible words at me, then spits on the windshield.
I don't think that was spit....
(http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/1412/11290629.JPG)
And judging by your posts on this BBS, you were probably chasing them if they were dressed like the photo above. Not that there's anything WRONG with that.... :O
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I don't think that was spit....
(http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/1412/11290629.JPG)
And judging by your posts on this BBS, you were probably chasing them if they were dressed like the photo above.
didn't realize you had a mustache, rip.
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1995 tahoe, hunter green.
I wrote a 40 page research paper some months back attempting to dispell the utility of hybrids as little more than a self-serving practice for people who want to flaunt their political correctness.
actually, while i think you were wrong by not moving, as i stated in an earlier post.....i also think the bikers were too. me personally, i see traffic comming up behind me, i don't care what's in front of me, o move and let em by. is i come up on slower traffic, and they don't move, i simply go into another lane and go by em. so....you weren't totally wrong....only mostly :D
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1995 tahoe, hunter green.
Nuchpatrick, is this your new handle? (Slipknot)
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Yeah I haven't had much luck with BPS for there Tracker/Tahoe repair/parts department..
Tracker's, in my case I own a Tahoe 1995. I am on my 3rd ignition switch. They are crap!!! The backing ring on the switch are plastic and the rings break thus the switch just spins in the hole. You have to reach your arm up and under the dash to start it. PINA!!! Only good thing is this boat starts on the first turn thank god..
I feel your pain Jackal..
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A few months ago on SR14 in washington some fool in a minivan pulled a Slipknot on me. The speed limit is 60 as it turns off of I5 I am going a little over, signal to go into the clear left lane to pass this fool when this sweetheart pulls in front of me. I guess he fancied himself guardian of the speed limit or whatnot. No biggie Ill pass him on the left so I I go left and he pulls in front of me again. Well bugger. Ok so I drop back 100ft, drop into 3rd and punch it. I am up to ludicrous speed a second later. Signal to pass on the left and move but I stop halfway and recenter my momentum, but he yanks the wheel HARD left I can see the broadside of a minivan as I casually duck right and pass him as he still is sliding left. I am kinda hoping he will try something really smart and yank his wheel hard right for some ensuing hilarity. As he disappears in the rear view learning his lesson of not be a douch to someone who is smarter,drives better and has a much better car. :rofl :rock
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The law is slower traffic keep right. I have never seen it enforced.
Here in Arkansas, there is no drivers education, so throw all the rules & regs out the window.
Driver's courtesy has gone downhill in the last 10 years. It almost dosen't exist anymore.
ROX
Rox,
I think it's simply a matter of the lowest common denominator. Any buffoon with an IQ above 40 (or nonagenarian for that matter) is practically guaranteed a license in the US. Drivers Ed hs been dumbed down to guarantee that everyone gets a license. Can't risk offending anyone!
I knew a girl from Sweden once (yeah, the stereotypes are true :D) who said it cost her over $500 and 6 months of driving classes to get her license. (in the early 80's no less) That girl could really handle a car. Drifting, power slides, she was GOOD. :aok
Texas drivers OWN the Left lane (express lane) and are clueless about slower traffic keep right, even though there is a sign every few miles regarding it.
You're right, but it's not just Texans. I see that everywhere. I usually give them sufficient time to see me and move over, then I grit my teeth, make like Jackie Stewart and pass on the right. In almost all cases, they never knew I was there. :mad:
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almost forgot.....i do ride too, and i've never tailgated on my bike
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A few months ago on SR14 in washington some fool in a minivan pulled a Slipknot on me. The speed limit is 60 as it turns off of I5 I am going a little over, signal to go into the clear left lane to pass this fool when this sweetheart pulls in front of me. I guess he fancied himself guardian of the speed limit or whatnot. No biggie Ill pass him on the left so I I go left and he pulls in front of me again. Well bugger. Ok so I drop back 100ft, drop into 3rd and punch it. I am up to ludicrous speed a second later. Signal to pass on the left and move but I stop halfway and recenter my momentum, but he yanks the wheel HARD left I can see the broadside of a minivan as I casually duck right and pass him as he still is sliding left. I am kinda hoping he will try something really smart and yank his wheel hard right for some ensuing hilarity. As he disappears in the rear view learning his lesson of not be a douch to someone who is smarter,drives better and has a much better car. :rofl :rock
Not an analoguous situation, Pooh.
First of all, I was already exceeding the speed limit by about 30%--going right with the flow, as was the rest of the column. Second, I never swerved to stay in his way. My biggest transgression was no yielding in time. I have no issue with speeders. I have an issue with tailgaters, and yeilding to them, while probably most reasonable in the interest of safety, is nevertheless occasionally made difficult by their rudeness. I admit that it simply was not my place to try to teach them a lesson.
But regardless... Really really impressive job with that van.
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Welp, see that slipknot? You posted here for opinions and you also got ridiculed, insulted and analyzed. All for free.
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Not an analoguous situation, Pooh.
First of all, I was already exceeding the speed limit by about 30%--going right with the flow, as was the rest of the column. Second, I never swerved to stay in his way. My biggest transgression was no yielding in time. I have no issue with speeders. I have an issue with tailgaters, and yeilding to them, while probably most reasonable in the interest of safety, is nevertheless occasionally made difficult by their rudeness. I admit that it simply was not my place to try to teach them a lesson.
But regardless... Really really impressive job with that van.
In all fairless, I think we've all found ourselves in this situation before. Being overtaken by faster traffic with no real place to go. If my speed is limited by the guy in front of me, what am I supposed to do? Teleport through the guy in front of me? And if traffic is also backed up in adjacent lanes, then the bikers need to get a clue. They're now stuck behind the same log jam as me and nobody is going anywhere.
Sure you can change lanes, but if you're being overtaken quickly that can be disastrous. If you're being overtaken quickly, don't overtax the brain of the guy whose closing. He knows where you are, don't suddenly be somewhere else when he actually passes you. :uhoh
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Welp, see that slipknot? You posted here for opinions and you also got ridiculed, insulted and analyzed. All for free.
I'd be dissappointed with anything less, Carrel.
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I'd be dissappointed with anything less, Carrel.
Oh yeah, and you suck. :rofl
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See Rule #7
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Ok.. here is how I do it.. if I am going 90mph and someone wants to pass.. I will move over. If there is a line of cars in front of me I will still pull over and then back in.
If there is only two lanes and the slower lane is going 20 mph slower than me I will still pull over but at my leisure.. I mostly just pull over and then accelerate right back on over to the fast lane.
I don't care what all the other cars ahead of me are doing.. they can move over or not.
Now.. if the traffic is just jammed up and there is a long line of cars all going under the speed limit in front of me... I ain't gonna pull into the slow lane if someone behind me wants by... mostly not anyway. still.. If he is a tailgater and it is easy to whip over and then back in.. I will do so, just so that he will be rear ending the guy in front of me instead of my cherry new bumper and filled in tailgate.
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See Rule #7
No argument here. Dallas sucks, and Houston is basically a sweaty Beirut.
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still.. If he is a tailgater and it is easy to whip over and then back in.. I will do so, just so that he will be rear ending the guy in front of me instead of my cherry new bumper and filled in tailgate.
That's why I've always had an evil desire for an old Volvo with angle iron welded at lots of nasty angles around the back. Gotta paint the angle iron though, otherwise the inevitable radiator fluid will make it rust. :D
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Hi Clthu :salute
One of the major problems is that these drivers are clueless that they are clueless.
Here in Arkansas--assume that every driver will do whatever the most rude, asanine, brainless move possible and 90% of the time you will be right.
Truckers from other states feel Arkansas is the state where you can be a totally rude jerk and get away with it. I have no respect whatsoever for American truckers. I-40 & I-30 in Arkansas is the wild west for truckers. Courtesy? Forget it (except for Canadian truckers).
If I had any aspirations, I'd run for governor and change all this...but if they had an incling that I would jack the standards for getting a licence up I'd never get elected. Way too many people get injured & killed every year, and every instance is totally preventable!
And we are all paying higher insurance rates because of them.
Aw well...let Darwin's Rule apply here.
Also, tailgaiting is HORRIBLE here and the major reason for all the morning commute accidents. It's like NASCAR, and the closer they can get to your bumper the better. I do the brake light thing and it works sometimes, but the majority don't get it.
ROX
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Hi Clthu :salute
One of the major problems is that these drivers are clueless that they are clueless.
Here in Arkansas--assume that every driver will do whatever the most rude, asanine, brainless move possible and 90% of the time you will be right.
Truckers from other states feel Arkansas is the state where you can be a totally rude jerk and get away with it. I have no respect whatsoever for American truckers. I-40 & I-30 in Arkansas is the wild west for truckers. Courtesy? Forget it (except for Canadian truckers).
If I had any aspirations, I'd run for governor and change all this...but if they had an incling that I would jack the standards for getting a licence up I'd never get elected. Way too many people get injured & killed every year, and every instance is totally preventable!
And we are all paying higher insurance rates because of them.
Aw well...let Darwin's Rule apply here.
ROX
I've heard of this place. Some famous guy was from there. Who was it now... W C Fields, ummm Flavor Flav, no... it was Bill something.
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Hey ROX,
I saw a Ferrari Dino running from a trooper in Arkansas one time. What a Ferrari was doing in Arkansas I'll never know. :huh
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Aw well...let Darwin's Rule apply here.
As much as I love Darwin as it applies to human stupidity and mortality (it really doesn't happen enough!)...I don't care for the higher car and health insurance premiums due* to it.
*no pun intended
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i always let a faster driver pass me, i call them my rabbit, i let them trip the speed traps. :lol
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The least good the guy at the wheel/handlebars, the quicker you ought to let him by. If you don't like him near your car/bike, the quickest solution is to let him by. Just like in martial arts.. Don't fight with their momentum, use it against them. It's more efficient.
Spit will wash off the car with the wipers and some wiper fluid. If your self esteem has spit on it, that's another matter :P
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Just like in martial arts.. Don't fight with their momentum, use it against them. It's more efficient.
Ever run head first into a well-timed jump back kick? :D
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It's pretty damn easy to lose your cool on the road nowadays. I subscribe to the same philosophy lasz stated. It's easy to be impatient with all of the idiots on the road, you know how I'm talking about; the person that has to do 80 mph when it's near bumper to bumper traffic and everyone else is doing 45, the person that HAS to get around you in the left lane only to get in front of you and immediately turn right, the idiot that thinks entering the freeway means YOU have to yield to their entry speed not the other way around, etc, etc, etc.
Spit washes off and your pride really never does get bruised. Just remember that idiots on bikes are more than likely going to get a Darwin award faster than they think they are.
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I remember one morning...August 19th, 1998 about 6:30am. Wifey woke me up regular time to get ready for work except she mentioned that she thinks her water broke...8 Months pregnant. I called her Dr and he said bring her in. Got her in the car, lil bag for the hospital stay stuff and left for the hospital. Then she began to moan, scream and stuff, front seat and floor is flooded, morning rush hour traffic. The hospital is only 15 minutes away... I turned on my hazards, not speeding but just to get there and people are moving out of the way....except one jerk. He kept pullin up beside the car and flippin me off, trying to cut me off. This arsehat followed me all the way to the hospital emergency room before he realized.."Hey it just might be an emergency." Then he took off.
Darwin needs a bigger rake.
Mac
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A couple of weeks ago, my father, buddy and I were on the way home after a Tigers game, in the evening. Behind me 4 motorcycles start closing fast. I-96 was jammed, and yes, I'm in the fast lane. I see one of these guys go in between cars in trying to get ahead. I see the first one on my 3 O' and it is a Hayabusa. His buddies catch up and proceed to ride my tail for about 3 miles. I finally had enough as I cannot even see two of motorcycles headlights in my rearview. What'd I do?
I hit the brake and watched them weave to the other lane. I slept with an clear conscience and will do the same every single time. Especially since they easily hit 120mph and went into the LOCAL lanes (55 mph) and continued the stupidity. I stayed in the express lanes (65mph).
If some idiot wants to go 100mph, go to a drag strip or a raceway. The freeways are not the place for it. "Move over to the right and let them pass" is allowing this crap to continue. Turning a blind eye and pointing the finger at Slipknot is just as bad as what those idiots on the bike did.
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Ever run head first into a well-timed jump back kick? :D
Fortunately I've only been on the giving end, so far :) Front kick to the face on a guy lunging for a punch/bear hug.
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Fortunately I've only been on the giving end, so far :) Front kick to the face on a guy lunging for a punch/bear hug.
Please say you nailed him in the chin :D The thought of all that blood and flying teeth. :aok
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one with monkey hanger bars
with black leather saddlebags(or whatever you call them)
and more resembled classy collector bikes than outlaw gang bikes
:rofl :lol :D
Comedy gold.
so what is the protocol here?
Some people are born to fish. Some to cut bait.
Keep your bait cutting knife sharp bud. :rofl
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You could have tortured them by going into ignore mode....drive as if you cannot see them.
And well, with them riding almost into your glove compartment, you might have accidentally tapped the brakes :devil
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Please say you nailed him in the chin :D The thought of all that blood and flying teeth. :aok
Hehe.. Flat on the face :D At the time I wore those extra air-cushioned nikes and we were just kids not really built up yet, so he got up more pissed off than hurt. The one time I did hurt someone with a counter like that was a knee to the ribs against a rush.. I felt the ribs crack and give.. Now that had to hurt.
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there is no "slower traffic" if you drive above speed limit
Correct!
If you are exceeding the speed limit, you are speeding. If they are exceeding it more and traffic, at the speed limit, is holding them back, too bad, so sad. :cry
In this case, you have two motorcycles speeding and driving aggressively. Depending on the speed they were at before you held them up, they could be written for reckless driving. Here in OK, that is an 8 point violation and you could stand to loose your driving privilege.
Best bet? Move over, let the future highway stains go by.
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Slam on brakes bikers go into trunk, there is no excuse for idiots like that, you tailgate me you lose. I drive every day, all day for a living and i have no patience for idiots. If your in passing lane, and actually passing the traffic on the right, however slowly, they are in the wrong to tailgate.
Legally, by the law the only way you can pass is, if traffic in the right lane is going under the posted maximum speed limit. So if the speed limit was 70 and you were doing 75 to pass you all were breaking the law anyway. Now most troopers will give you 5 over so your probably ok and if you were keeping your distance from the vehicle in front of you and going with the flow then the only tards were the ones on your 6.
Had that tard spit on my windshield? I carry a big canister of bb's in my car/truck, zoom up toss a handfull out in front of em, idiots pull to shoulder quickly. I could tell you other ways to deal with morons like that but i'd get banned. :)
Yes i'm a former bike rider but i never did stupid stuff like that even when i was 18 and riding every day. I ride for the open air around me and the thrill of being outside in the fresh air, not for the so called intimidation factor.
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Depends a lot of the time pleb drivers don't see bikes and knock them. Having said that don't use the foot brake...use the hand brake...no lights, no warning :devil. as for the spitting thing catch up and challenge them if it is that much of an issue to you.
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Slam on brakes bikers go into trunk, there is no excuse for idiots like that, you tailgate me you lose. I drive every day, all day for a living and i have no patience for idiots.
This is why professional drivers- be it truck, taxi, or (in Rick's case) rickshaw- need a psychological exam before they are allowed to drive profesionally.
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See Rules #4, #5, #2
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This is why professional drivers- be it truck, taxi, or (in Rick's case) rickshaw- need a psychological exam before they are allowed to drive professionally.
And that's why professional drivers be it truck taxi or in my case don't get tailgated for long! Who was the psyco there in that scenario? The guy going with the flow in the passing lane or the retards behind him? Maybe a few hard wacks to their heads might make them see that tailgating is a bad life choice?!!
It's just like in the game, though it's not real life, you get to close, he drops his flaps, you overshoot and die. Who's fault is it really? Life is a game play by the rules or get ruled out of the gene pool. Born to be wild went out in the 70's.
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Slam on brakes bikers go into trunk
If the ending result was the death of one or more of the bikers, you sir, could be (and should be) charged with vehicular manslaughter. The road is not yours. It is not a right for you to drive on it nor drive period. It is a priviledge. It should be treated as such.
I completely understand your frustration with other vehicles, you being a professional driver and all. But, this is not how you deal with aggressive drivers. Nobody learns a lesson. Nothing comes of this other than despair, sadness and your lack of freedom for the better part of the rest of your life.
Simply moving over for the 45 seconds it takes for the idiots to pass by is the high road. Take the high road.
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I hardly consider 75 in a 55 as 'poking along', especially when there's a column of cars ahead of me doing the same speed.
Point taken, however... Let the tailgaters move on and seal their own fate--be it by traffic ticket or violent meeting with rear bumper.
No. Your still missing the point.
It doesnt matter the speed your traveling.
The Statute is pretty much the same in every state I''be been in
"RCW 46.61.100
Keep right except when passing, etc.
(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:
(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;
(b) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway; provided, any person so doing shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard"
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Ever run head first into a well-timed jump back kick? :D
That stuff works alot better on defence then on offence. Or as a surprise move
Bunch of years ago some hotshot tried attacking me with a jump kick to the head.
fortunately he telegrpahed it and I saw it comming
I caught his leg held it up,
He fell on the ground, while still holding his leg up, I stomped on his nuts real hard with the right heel of my engineers boot.
After that he didnt wanna play Hai-Karate anymore.
He did however feel like puking.
I did however witness one of the crazier friend I had jump up and kick two people inthe face at the same time.
Damnedest thing I ever saw.
Was the beginning of a hell of a brawl too
ah the good ol days
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Good ol days indeed. :)
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only thing other people do while driving that bothers me is passing stupidly on 2 lane highways, and people who seem to be incapable of navigating a slightly twisty road without going out of lane on every corner...at the speed limit.
as for tailgater's...whats happening behind me is not my concern beyond maintaining a standard of SA. but i stay right unless i'm passing anyway.
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A couple of weeks ago, my father, buddy and I were on the way home after a Tigers game, in the evening. Behind me 4 motorcycles start closing fast. I-96 was jammed, and yes, I'm in the fast lane. I see one of these guys go in between cars in trying to get ahead. I see the first one on my 3 O' and it is a Hayabusa. His buddies catch up and proceed to ride my tail for about 3 miles. I finally had enough as I cannot even see two of motorcycles headlights in my rearview. What'd I do?
I hit the brake and watched them weave to the other lane. I slept with an clear conscience and will do the same every single time. Especially since they easily hit 120mph and went into the LOCAL lanes (55 mph) and continued the stupidity. I stayed in the express lanes (65mph).
If some idiot wants to go 100mph, go to a drag strip or a raceway. The freeways are not the place for it. "Move over to the right and let them pass" is allowing this crap to continue. Turning a blind eye and pointing the finger at Slipknot is just as bad as what those idiots on the bike did.
ha...a hiabusa and he was only doin 120? one of my customers had one........topped it out at 201 out on rt 295 here in south jersey.......he was insane too....
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I doubt you get to 200 without quite a stretch of ground, even on a busa. It's not an instant-200mph machine.
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I doubt you get to 200 without quite a stretch of ground, even on a busa. It's not an instant-200mph machine.
he got on at exit 31, and went almost to trenton.......and his bike wans't stock. had nitrous, header and i think a couple other things. it was stupid fast. and he was just stupid :D
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ha...a hiabusa and he was only doin 120? one of my customers had one........topped it out at 201 out on rt 295 here in south jersey.......he was insane too....
Cap1
wherebouts in S Jersey are ya?
Im in South Brunswick (Kendall Park)
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Cap1
wherebouts in S Jersey are ya?
Im in South Brunswick (Kendall Park)
my shop is in cherry hill, just off of 295. i live in lindenwold. i'm about 3 miles from the John F Kennedy Hospital in stratford.
i fly out of south jersey regional airport in mount holley......
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No. Your still missing the point.
It doesnt matter the speed your traveling.
Wrong.
The "Keep right to pass" or "Impeding the flow of traffic" statutes DO NOT nullify the "Exceeding the posted speed limit" staute.
So long as you are at the posted speed limit, there is no reason you must move right (barring Emergency Vehicle or courtesy).
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Re: original story...Wise thing to check for club patch on back of jacket before doing anything rash--you think 2 are abnoxious...try 50
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As an avid rider for over 30 years, I run in to this all the time. just move over and let them pass.
1.) Slower traffic keep right, regardless of the posted speed limit (here in the Netherlands you will get a ticket for holding up traffic as passing on the right is illegale)
2.) As for him spitting on your car, I do not condone it, but from your description of the event I can understand the frustration, next time just move over, or speed up and move over.
Cheers
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Wrong.
The "Keep right to pass" or "Impeding the flow of traffic" statutes DO NOT nullify the "Exceeding the posted speed limit" staute.
So long as you are at the posted speed limit, there is no reason you must move right (barring Emergency Vehicle or courtesy).
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wrong. common sense, and courtesy still brings us back to the ""keep right except to pass"" statute. EVERYBODY speeds on the highways.
20 years ago, i usually cruised around 75-85mph on 295. i was pretty much passing almost everyone. today, i still drive 75-85mph on 295(except in my geo, which is screaming for mercy at 70mph :rofl) and even at 85, the majority of the traffic is going past me. unlike some others though, i don't really give a dam who passes me or not. i expect people to move out of my way when i come up on them, so i do the same.
it's really VERY simple. you're out in the left lane, faster traffic comes up behind ya.....get the hell outta the way.
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As an avid rider for over 30 years, I run in to this all the time. just move over and let them pass.
1.) Slower traffic keep right, regardless of the posted speed limit (here in the Netherlands you will get a ticket for holding up traffic as passing on the right is illegale)
2.) As for him spitting on your car, I do not condone it, but from your description of the event I can understand the frustration, next time just move over, or speed up and move over.
Cheers
passing on the right is illegal here in the US too, but i never see it enforced though. i pass where i can though, as when i run up on people like the starter of this thread, i just don't have the time or patience to deal with such sheer ignorance or stupidity.
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Bet if it was a semi that came up behind and was tailgating he would have moved over real quick.
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Bet if it was a semi that came up behind and was tailgating he would have moved over real quick.
no he would've stepped on the brake to scare the truck driver :O as he rolled over him
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Wrong.
The "Keep right to pass" or "Impeding the flow of traffic" statutes DO NOT nullify the "Exceeding the posted speed limit" staute.
So long as you are at the posted speed limit, there is no reason you must move right (barring Emergency Vehicle or courtesy).
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must be different in your part of the country..
Here its keep right cept to pass no matter what speed your doing.
doesnt matter if your ding the speed limit.
Ride in the left lane just for the sake of riding i the lane and you WILL get a ticket for
"Faliour to stay to the right" in NJ
I think I found the reason fo the big debate.
Different states are set up differently
"State "keep right" laws
You may use the left lane (when there is more than one lane in your direction) to pass. You may or may not be able to use the left lane when not passing. The table below describes the law in effect in each state.
A few states permit use of the left lane only for passing or turning left. These have "yes" in the "keep right" column. Six states require drivers to move right if they are blocking traffic in the left lane. Most states follow the Uniform Vehicle Code and require drivers to keep right if they are going slower than the normal speed of traffic (regardless of the speed limit; see below). These are listed as "slower", with an asterisk and an explanation under "comments" if vehicles lawfully using the left lane must yield to overtaking traffic. A few states either do not require vehicles to keep right ("no"), or permit vehicles moving at the speed limit to drive in the left lane regardless of traffic conditions ("<SL").
http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html
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just move over and let them pass.
why? If i'm in a queue of traffic moving at 5mph and a 911 or something comes up behind me, should I and the rest of the queue all move over just because he has a few more HP? I dont get it. 1 guy blocking the road, sure, but thats not the case here is it.
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and even at 85, the majority of the traffic is going past me.
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Sounds to me like your spending some time on the GSP
I hate the Parkway and avoid it if I can.
NASCAR drivers are nothing more then wannabe GSP drivers
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why? If i'm in a queue of traffic moving at 5mph and a 911 or something comes up behind me, should I and the rest of the queue all move over just because he has a few more HP? I dont get it. 1 guy blocking the road, sure, but thats not the case here is it.
As I heard a local radio broadcaster once say to the very same type of question.
"Who designated you as the roving roadblock"?
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my shop is in cherry hill, just off of 295. i live in lindenwold. i'm about 3 miles from the John F Kennedy Hospital in stratford.
i fly out of south jersey regional airport in mount holley......
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Ahh Bout 45 min to an hour from here.
We're gong to have to get together to terrorise the locals one of these days
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why? If i'm in a queue of traffic moving at 5mph and a 911 or something comes up behind me, should I and the rest of the queue all move over just because he has a few more HP? I dont get it. 1 guy blocking the road, sure, but thats not the case here is it.
they're talking at highway speeds not in a traffic jam
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"Who designated you as the roving roadblock"?
that would be the 20 vehicles in front of me all going slower than I intend to. of course as soon as I get tailgated, the guy behind me is the roadblock. getting it yet?
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Well, nice to see this is turning into a real controversy. The advice is well appreciated, as are all of the priceless comments.
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why? If i'm in a queue of traffic moving at 5mph and a 911 or something comes up behind me, should I and the rest of the queue all move over just because he has a few more HP? I dont get it. 1 guy blocking the road, sure, but thats not the case here is it.
He did not say he was in a queue.... i.e. traffic was moving and it's the law...slower traffic keep right!
Here not moving over will get you a ticket (right now I think it's € 130)
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He did not say he was in a queue.... i.e. traffic was moving and it's the law...slower traffic keep right!
Here not moving over will get you a ticket (right now I think it's € 130)
Not sure what the difference is between a queu and column of cars running at a similar speed is in your mind, but yes, I was restrained from accelerating freely by the guy in front of me, who was, likewise, by the guy in front of him, and so on. Traffic was approaching an uncomfortable density, but we were moving at around 75, and at that speed, I like to leave at least several car lengths of space between my bumper and the one in front of me--as would most sober drivers. It was the bikers' intention to squeeze us all out, one by one. Some yeilded faster than others.
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Not sure what the difference is between a queu and column of cars running at a similar speed is in your mind, but yes, I was restrained from accelerating freely by the guy in front of me, who was, likewise, by the guy in front of him, and so on. Traffic was approaching an uncomfortable density, but we were moving at around 75, and at that speed, I like to leave at least several car lengths of space between my bumper and the one in front of me--as would most sober drivers. It was the bikers' intention to squeeze us all out, one by one. Some yeilded faster than others.
THE only thing restricting you from accelerating to your chosen speed was you. you could've moved into another lane.
i like how all of you non-riders(i'm assuming you don't ride by your reaction towards them) assume that all of those of us that do ride are looking for trouble.
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THE only thing restricting you from accelerating to your chosen speed was you. you could've moved into another lane.
The other lane was moving even slower. There was a gap there, which I ended up occupying. Not long after moving into it, I had to slow down or move back into the left lane.
I never said anything about riders, in general, looking for trouble. Crotch-rocket enthusiasts who ride aroud in groups, often doing in excess of 100 mph on public freeways tend to stick out, but even that is an extreme example and not characteristic of the group as a whole. If anything, I would assume that smart, mature riders are more conscious of safety than car drivers--given the level of dangers they must face when contending with vehicles many times their mass.
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The least good the guy at the wheel/handlebars, the quicker you ought to let him by. If you don't like him near your car/bike, the quickest solution is to let him by. Just like in martial arts.. Don't fight with their momentum, use it against them. It's more efficient.
Spit will wash off the car with the wipers and some wiper fluid. If your self esteem has spit on it, that's another matter :P
I agree Moot. This weekend I was coming back from the Adorondaks and caught rain. Generally people in cars don't care that your on two wheels, on a wet road, going the speed limit or alittle over. So most cars will ride your hind end. Basically I move over to the shoulder and wave them through. It takes the pressure off me and lets them go as fast as they deem necessary.
I wont't even get into cars with smokers chucking lit butts out the window when you're behind them..... :mad:
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That stuff works alot better on defence then on offence. Or as a surprise move
Bunch of years ago some hotshot tried attacking me with a jump kick to the head.
fortunately he telegrpahed it and I saw it comming
I caught his leg held it up,
He fell on the ground, while still holding his leg up, I stomped on his nuts real hard with the right heel of my engineers boot.
After that he didnt wanna play Hai-Karate anymore.
He did however feel like puking.
I did however witness one of the crazier friend I had jump up and kick two people inthe face at the same time.
Damnedest thing I ever saw.
Was the beginning of a hell of a brawl too
ah the good ol days
Getting too old for the "Good Old Days". I'm clueless, what's an engineer's boot? I work best in flip-flops. :)
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hen spits on the windshield.
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I didn't read all 8 pages so I dunno if this has been already covered but....WTF???
Are you sure it wasn't a bug? I ride...ALOT and spitting at 70+mph and actually hitting the windshield of the car next to you as you pass....honestly i cant see that happening. unless you moved back in behind them. I got a bug in my teeth "once and only once" and spit that out, it went maybe 3 inches in the slip-stream and them was gone baby gone.
AS a member of the biker community and a member of a club ( The Marine Motorcycle Brotherhood) I have had to deal with some 1%'ers. Some its been a respectful toleration and a couple its been something like what you experienced.
They give all bikers a bad name but, just like everything else the biker community has its good, its bad and its down right smurfy...per the rules i wont pics of the smurfy but im sure everyone can find em.
As for the left lane thing....I think thats been pretty well covered so ya dont need my 2cents on that.
We all could use a lil more tolerance out on the highway, to much road rage and not enough courtesy.
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So most cars will ride your hind end.
Geez, I never crowd bikes. That's insane. Rear-end a car @ 30mph, we're talking embarrassment and lots of $$ out of pocket. Rear-end a bike @ that speed and you could easily kill someone.
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I didn't reall all 8 pages so I dunno if this has been already covered but....WTF???
Are you sure it wasn't a bug? I ride...ALOT and spitting at 70+mph and actually hitting the windshield of the car next to you as you pass....honestly i cant see that happening. unless you moved back in behind them. I got a bug in my teeth "once and only once" and spit that out, it went maybe 3 inches in the slip-stream and them was gone baby gone.
AS a member of the biker community and a member of a club ( The Marine Motorcycle Brotherhood) I have had to deal with some 1%'ers. Some its been a respectful toleration and a couple its been something like what you experienced.
They give all bikers a bad name but, just like everything else the biker community has its good, its bad and its down right smurfy...per the rules i wont pics of the smurfy but im sure everyone can find em.
As for the left lane thing....I think thats been pretty well covered so ya dont need my 2cents on that.
We all could use a lil more tolerance out on the highway, to much road rage and not enough courtesy.
It was spit. He didn't so much spit as let the loogie casually leave his mouth and enter the slipstream--as you mentioned. I was momentarily taken aback by the proficiency with which he calculated the trajectory as I was about 1.5 car lengths behind and to the right of him when he did it.
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It was spit. He didn't so much spit as let the loogie casually leave his mouth and enter the slipstream--as you mentioned. I was momentarily taken aback by the proficiency with which he calculated the trajectory as I was about 1.5 car lengths behind and to the right of him when he did it.
Smart guy, he let it stay laminar. Can't let your loogie go all turbulent on you and break up. You sure it wasn't one of us? :D
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Smart guy, he let it stay laminar. Can't let your loogie go all turbulent on you and break up. You sure it wasn't one of us? :D
Well, based on his own account of the way he showed that van who was boss, I momentarily suspected it was Pooh--but he's more of a ricer than a biker.
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Geez, I never crowd bikes. That's insane. Rear-end a car @ 30mph, we're talking embarrassment and lots of $$ out of pocket. Rear-end a bike @ that speed and you could easily kill someone.
You're right not all cars tailgate and truckers are usually respectful also. I don't tailgate when I'm on my bike either. Like someone mentioned earlier, you never know when there might debris, a dead animal, or a pot hole in the road. Its no fun laying your bike down.
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You also never know if the biker your tailgating might have a bad of ball bearings used for nothing more than to let the tailgating car know its WAY to damn close :devil
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It was spit. He didn't so much spit as let the loogie casually leave his mouth and enter the slipstream--as you mentioned. I was momentarily taken aback by the proficiency with which he calculated the trajectory as I was about 1.5 car lengths behind and to the right of him when he did it.
Well he is WAY better than me. I'd be too damn afraid that it would whip around and hit me in the eye or something lol
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You also never know if the biker your tailgating might have a bad of ball bearings used for nothing more than to let the tailgating car know its WAY to damn close :devil
Or a 9mm in his saddlebag..... :D
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Well he is WAY better than me. I'd be too damn afraid that it would whip around and hit me in the eye or something lol
Roger that I would be wiping it off my coat..... :lol
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I think we have a bigger engineering mystery here than we've had since the plane on a conveyor belt debate.
Will a loogie, spit out at 75 MPH, maintain its consistency well enough to splatter on the windshield of the car behind it, or will it turn into loogie vapor?
Somebody call Mythbusters.
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I think we have a bigger engineering mystery here than we've had since the plane on a conveyor belt debate.
Will a loogie, spit out at 75 MPH, maintain its consistency well enough to splatter on the windshield of the car behind it, or will it turn into loogie vapor?
Somebody call Mythbusters.
IM(sometimes)HO : Mythbusters = Junk Science For Morons By Morons
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I think we have a bigger engineering mystery here than we've had since the plane on a conveyor belt debate.
Will a loogie, spit out at 75 MPH, maintain its consistency well enough to splatter on the windshield of the car behind it, or will it turn into loogie vapor?
Somebody call Mythbusters.
Plane on a conveyor belt was an easy problem... The thrust/pull of the engines would only have to match and cancel the resistence generated by the ball bearings in the landing gear to keep the plane in place on the conveyor. Any thrust/pull beyond that would push the plane forward, off the conveyor. Any less, and the plane would gradually slide back as the constant speed of the conveyor would gradually decay the non-powered speed of the wheels.
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Plane on a conveyor belt was an easy problem... The thrust/pull of the engines would only have to match and cancel the resistence generated by the ball bearings in the landing gear to keep the plane in place on the conveyor. Any thrust/pull beyond that would push the plane forward, off the conveyor. Any less, and the plane would gradually slide back as the constant speed of the conveyor would gradually decay the non-powered speed of the wheels.
There's also rolling resistance which manifests itself as the energy required to deflect the tires, which depending on tire pressure, can be higher than the bearing resistance. ;)
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oh no, here we go again :rolleyes:
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There's also rolling resistance which manifests itself as the energy required to deflect the tires, which depending on tire pressure, can be higher than the bearing resistance. ;)
What you said.
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But if the conveyor belt were adjusted to match the speed of the plane's wheels, no matter what their speed, wouldn't the plane just stand still?
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But if the conveyor belt were adjusted to match the speed of the plane's wheels, no matter what their speed, wouldn't the plane just stand still?
No, it wouldn't.
Even if the conveyor was programmed to gradually slow itself, the resistance between the bearings and the axel, and the wheels and the surface of the conveyor would always, always cause the wheels to spin slightly slower than the conveyor is moving. Thus, unless you power the wheels (or apply thrust or pull), the conveyor will always stay slightly ahead of the plane, causing it to slide back
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No, it wouldn't.
Even if the conveyor was programmed to gradually slow itself, the resistance between the bearings and the axel, and the wheels and the surface of the conveyor would always, always cause the wheels to spin slightly slower than the conveyor is moving. Thus, unless you power the wheels (or apply thrust or pull), the conveyor will always stay slightly ahead of the plane, causing it to slide back
Time to call in Jamie and Adam. They'll just get frustrated and eventually blow it up. :D
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So you were holding up traffic in the left lane? You were in the wrong.
+1
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I'd have brake checked em in a second. If they hit you in the rear, it's their fault.
But at the same time I hate peeps that block the left lane (at any speed) if the right lanes are open.
I've always wanted a bumper sticker that reads "If this bumper sticker just passed you on the right, Your in the Wrong damn Lane!" :aok
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I'd have brake checked em in a second.
You do that here in Texas its YOUR fault AND you either get a ticket or go straight to jail. Depending on the severity of the accident. At those speeds and them being on bikes most likely you would go to jail, be ticketed for reckless endangerment, attempted insurance fraud, speeding, failure to yeild the right of way, failure to stay right on a highway. (in Texas the left lane is for passing only...not that its enforced all the time but, its still the law)
On a side note, I was passing a car a few weeks ago, I sped up behind another car to get infront of the car I was passing. The guy who was right in front of me did the brake check thing. I was only behind him for a few seconds but he had had a bad day. Got even worse when I flipped him off ( I know my bad) anywho he followed me to my exit. I pulled into a gas station and he jumped out of his car.
He made a few threats blah blah blah. Long story short the cop that saw him do it pulled in shortly and read him the riot act then preceded to ticket him.
It was for reckless endangerment. pretty steep fine on them iirc.
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He did not say he was in a queue.... i.e. traffic was moving and it's the law...slower traffic keep right!
Here not moving over will get you a ticket (right now I think it's € 130)
I sure wished they enforced that here!
It sure would solve a lot of problems began by selfish/ignorant drivers.
ROX
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Texas Rules of Engagement:
1) Slower traffic keep right.
2) If someone spits on your car, shoot the SOB.
Turn the offending biker into a hood ornament.
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Well, nice to see this is turning into a real controversy. The advice is well appreciated, as are all of the priceless comments.
LOL Like I said a year or two ago.
You cant bring up a conversation about lollipops withoutit turning into a debate LOL
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Getting too old for the "Good Old Days". I'm clueless, what's an engineer's boot? I work best in flip-flops. :)
slightly more painful then flip flops lol
(http://www.findcoolclothes.com/products/large_photos/EngineerBoots.jpg)
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Plane on a conveyor belt was an easy problem... The thrust/pull of the engines would only have to match and cancel the resistence generated by the ball bearings in the landing gear to keep the plane in place on the conveyor. Any thrust/pull beyond that would push the plane forward, off the conveyor. Any less, and the plane would gradually slide back as the constant speed of the conveyor would gradually decay the non-powered speed of the wheels.
The plane's engine had to generate thrust in excess of the rotational energy being imparted to the wheels for the plane to move forward. Let's not do this again.
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well, heres wat i would do.. u got someone riding you, slam on the brakes, they hit u from the back, its there fault = D
-BigBOBCH
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well, heres wat i would do.. u got someone riding you, slam on the brakes, they hit u from the back, its there fault = D
-BigBOBCH
So you would do that if it was a semi?
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put both feet on the binders and watch the cycle parts fly :rock