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Title: German P51
Post by: VansCrew1 on June 23, 2008, 06:25:19 PM
German P51 (http://capturedplanes.tripod.com/p-51.htm)

Not sure if there accurate or not. It would be nice to have a German P51 skin.

Title: Re: German P51
Post by: Serenity on June 23, 2008, 06:56:22 PM
German P51 (http://capturedplanes.tripod.com/p-51.htm)

Not sure if there accurate or not. It would be nice to have a German P51 skin.



Sadly, the rules say you cannot make skins of captured aircraft, otherwise I would have made American Fw-190s, and German Spitfires and a B-17.
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: VansCrew1 on June 23, 2008, 06:58:30 PM
German hurricane MK I? i know that there are a few more then just that.


Lame :furious
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: Serenity on June 23, 2008, 07:02:51 PM
German hurricane MK I? i know that there are a few more then just that.


Lame :furious

Oh theres LOTS more. Spitties, typhies, a tempest I think... A VERY famous P-38...
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: VansCrew1 on June 23, 2008, 07:19:20 PM
I meant in the game we have a hurricane MK I with German on it.Or is it a finnish skin?
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: Serenity on June 23, 2008, 07:22:52 PM
I meant in the game we have a hurricane MK I with German on it.Or is it a finish skin?

Finnish.
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: Jester on June 23, 2008, 09:19:27 PM
I meant in the game we have a hurricane MK I with German on it.Or is it a finnish skin?

Finnish, they actually used them in combat.

As for the "German P-51's" they were used mostly for training Luftwaffe crews on how Allied aircraft flew and reacted when attacked - think TOP GUN & RED FLAG.

KG200 actually did use captured B-17's to fly along with US bomber streams to radio speed and courses to attacking fighters. They also used them on bombing ops I believe.

As for that "Famous Story" of a US pilot getting a YB-40 Gunship to lure a Captured Italian P-38 in and kill is PURE GRADE A BULL CHIT. However there is a true story of a captured P-38 being used by the Italians to shoot down one possibly two B-24's. If you are interested in it contact me and I will send it to you.

Don't think these "Captured" skins would be practical - as hardly any of them seen any real combat and the ones that did was very minor in regards to what other aircraft did.
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: VansCrew1 on June 23, 2008, 09:21:37 PM
Finnish, they actually used them in combat.

As for the "German P-51's" they were used mostly for training Luftwaffe crews on how Allied aircraft flew and reacted when attacked - think TOP GUN & RED FLAG.

KG200 actually did use captured B-17's to fly along with US bomber streams to radio speed and courses to attacking fighters. They also used them on bombing ops I believe.

As for that "Famous Story" of a US pilot getting a YB-40 Gunship to lure a Captured Italian P-38 in and kill is PURE GRADE A BULL CHIT. However there is a true story of a captured P-38 being used by the Italians to shoot down one possibly two B-24's. If you are interested in it contact me and I will send it to you.

Don't think these "Captured" skins would be practical - as hardly any of them seen any real combat and the ones that did was very minor in regards to what other aircraft did.

Good info

:salute
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: uptown on June 23, 2008, 09:47:36 PM
A pony with a kraut skin is an outrage and disrespects all that died in one. :furious
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: Serenity on June 23, 2008, 09:59:36 PM
KG200 actually did use captured B-17's to fly along with US bomber streams to radio speed and courses to attacking fighters. They also used them on bombing ops I believe.

Which would be enough, I would hope, to get them in game, but sadly, no.
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: Jester on June 23, 2008, 10:03:09 PM
A pony with a kraut skin is an outrage and disrespects all that died in one. :furious

It's not an "outrage" - it is simply HISTORY. They were captured - and used by the enemy. They didn't paint Luftwaffe insignia on them to "Wizz Off" the Allies but mainly to keep their own aircraft and flak gunners from BLOWING their butts out of the sky. No different than the German planes that were captured and tested by the US with US MARKINGS.

Which would be enough, I would hope, to get them in game, but sadly, no.

Actually, I think the rule with AH is that the aircraft had to see COMBAT in at least "Squadron Size" units. The Luftwaffe and KG200 never had more than a handfull of the captured B-17's flyable at any one time.

 :salute
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: Serenity on June 24, 2008, 12:21:16 AM
It's not an "outrage" - it is simply HISTORY. They were captured - and used by the enemy. They didn't paint Luftwaffe insignia on them to "Wizz Off" the Allies but mainly to keep their own aircraft and flak gunners from BLOWING their butts out of the sky. No different than the German planes that were captured and tested by the US with US MARKINGS.

Actually, I think the rule with AH is that the aircraft had to see COMBAT in at least "Squadron Size" units. The Luftwaffe and KG200 never had more than a handfull of the captured B-17's flyable at any one time.

 :salute

I would think having more than one or two aircraft flying combat multiple times, and engaging other forces would qualify. But hey, that's just me.
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: Jester on June 24, 2008, 12:52:04 AM
You will have to take that up with Hitech.  :aok
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: Guppy35 on June 24, 2008, 01:28:14 AM
It would be silly to do captured birds with the limited slots for skins.  If you are doing German marked 51s, are we going to do RAF or USSAAF captured 109s, 190s, Zekes, Ju88s etc?

Just not worth it.  Plenty of great skins possible without captured birds.
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: Xasthur on June 24, 2008, 02:45:38 AM
Guppy is right, the slots for the 109s and 190s are already drying up... the 51D is full... etc etc. Captured skins open a whole new can of worms and there just isn't room for them.

Title: Re: German P51
Post by: lyric1 on June 24, 2008, 07:26:46 AM
Finnish, they actually used them in combat.

As for the "German P-51's" they were used mostly for training Luftwaffe crews on how Allied aircraft flew and reacted when attacked - think TOP GUN & RED FLAG.

KG200 actually did use captured B-17's to fly along with US bomber streams to radio speed and courses to attacking fighters. They also used them on bombing ops I believe.

As for that "Famous Story" of a US pilot getting a YB-40 Gunship to lure a Captured Italian P-38 in and kill is PURE GRADE A BULL CHIT. However there is a true story of a captured P-38 being used by the Italians to shoot down one possibly two B-24's. If you are interested in it contact me and I will send it to you.

Don't think these "Captured" skins would be practical - as hardly any of them seen any real combat and the ones that did was very minor in regards to what other aircraft did.
You know I think it is some what of a miff about the captured planes almost only being used for flight testing. Here are two examples from one fighter squadron that had combat situations with captured p47's & one of the pilots became an ace by shooting down a plane of his country of origin a deed that supposedly never been done prior or since. http://www.stormbirds.com/hillis/tboltkill.htm The documents are from the 358Th Fighter group I purchased the microfilm on the daily log reports. (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/7ae41fa6fc.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com)                                                                            (http://www.picburst.com/uploads/c9049e228c.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com)
Title: Re: German P51
Post by: lyric1 on June 24, 2008, 07:41:37 AM
German P51 (http://capturedplanes.tripod.com/p-51.htm)

Not sure if there accurate or not. It would be nice to have a German P51 skin.


Sorry Van's this is as close as your going to get.(http://www.picburst.com/uploads/9c22e15899.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com)(http://www.picburst.com/uploads/3097816d16.jpg) (http://www.picburst.com)