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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Serenity on June 26, 2008, 02:43:12 AM
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Ive seen this a LOT in the Main Arenas. Maybe I'm the only one so touchy about it, but I REALLY don't like seeing this:
"Dude, I just RAPED him!!!"
"We TOTALLY raped [insert base here]"
"Man he just got RAPED!"
I always ask nicely for them to please find a different word to use, and some of them listen. So I guess this is for all the kids out there who don't:
Rape has some very negative connotations. Some people don't like hearing that. I am one of those people. Find another word to use, especially when you are asked nicely to find an alternative. The squelch list doesn't permit us to silence all of you.
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just gotta replace the word Raped w/ Pwned or Pwnt for PC or something
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Shooting people has negative connotations. I demand guns be removed.
Blowing up towns (with churches) has negative connotations. I demand bombs be removed.
Killing people has negative connotations. I demand everyone be invincible.
We now have MSFS on Easy difficulty with no chat, but...we're PC!
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Shooting people has negative connotations. I demand guns be removed.
Blowing up towns (with churches) has negative connotations. I demand bombs be removed.
Killing people has negative connotations. I demand everyone be invincible.
We now have MSFS on Easy difficulty with no chat, but...we're PC!
There's a difference there. A BIG one.
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The word "owned" works much better than what they are using i agree. :aok
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Ive seen this a LOT in the Main Arenas. Maybe I'm the only one so touchy about it, but I REALLY don't like seeing this:
"Dude, I just RAPED him!!!"
"We TOTALLY raped [insert base here]"
"Man he just got RAPED!"
I always ask nicely for them to please find a different word to use, and some of them listen. So I guess this is for all the kids out there who don't:
Rape has some very negative connotations. Some people don't like hearing that. I am one of those people. Find another word to use, especially when you are asked nicely to find an alternative. The squelch list doesn't permit us to silence all of you.
your vox over range is not too much better. (only when you get pissed off)
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i like pwnt and newbie better.
Dude we totally "newb" a36. :lol
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The biggest issue is that somewhere along the line the younger set decided that that word is "cool" - so this isn't in any way purely an Aces High phenomenon - it's endemic. And since I bet only about 1% of the ones using it read the BBS, "educating the masses" isn't likely to be much of a solution.
For those of you who are classing this as a "purely PC issue" and rolling your eyes, I'd like to point out that if yourself or someone you knew and loved had ever been subjected to the kind of violation meant by the word in it's normal context, you too might feel a little uncomfortable with the word being thrown around as casually as it is. (And as Forrest Gump would say - "That's all I have to say about that....")
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Ive seen this a LOT in the Main Arenas. Maybe I'm the only one so touchy about it, but I REALLY don't like seeing this:
"Dude, I just RAPED him!!!"
"We TOTALLY raped [insert base here]"
"Man he just got RAPED!"
I always ask nicely for them to please find a different word to use, and some of them listen. So I guess this is for all the kids out there who don't:
Rape has some very negative connotations. Some people don't like hearing that. I am one of those people. Find another word to use, especially when you are asked nicely to find an alternative. The squelch list doesn't permit us to silence all of you.
i think there's a .report function if someone continues to use what you may consider offensive language dude.........
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For me it all boils down to "would I say it infront of a six year old".
I "try" to use that guidline before I type/say anything in AcesHigh.
When my kiddo's were young, they would sit there for hours and watch me fly. There are lots of children that DO fly AH. Show some self respect and keep the garbage off of vox/text.
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<S> Lute
Our freedom of speech, our freedom of anything, is subject to some personal governance.
I lost control recently and was astonished by what came out of my mouth and onto the room radio.
It was not suitable for a 6-year old, or my wife, or my mother, or my boss.
Good point made, Lute.
-Raider
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For me it all boils down to "would I say it infront of a six year old".
I "try" to use that guidline before I type/say anything in AcesHigh.
When my kiddo's were young, they would sit there for hours and watch me fly. There are lots of children that DO fly AH. Show some self respect and keep the garbage off of vox/text.
A good rule of thumb WMLute...
My squad CO ssdruid uses "SCHOOLED" when he downs another GV/aircraft and I use "LEVELED" when we have dropped all the hangers/buildings on a base/town.
It is easy to forget that you aren't in a "bubble" and that there might be youngsters listening. Food for thought. GOOD POST
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For me it all boils down to "would I say it infront of a six year old".
I "try" to use that guidline before I type/say anything in AcesHigh.
When my kiddo's were young, they would sit there for hours and watch me fly. There are lots of children that DO fly AH. Show some self respect and keep the garbage off of vox/text.
i keep tellnig people ths........as do all of you.....yet we still seem to get people that just don't seem to understand that they're brining this stuff on themselves.......
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Ive seen this a LOT in the Main Arenas. Maybe I'm the only one so touchy about it, but I REALLY don't like seeing this:
"Dude, I just RAPED him!!!"
"We TOTALLY raped [insert base here]"
"Man he just got RAPED!"
I always ask nicely for them to please find a different word to use, and some of them listen. So I guess this is for all the kids out there who don't:
Rape has some very negative connotations. Some people don't like hearing that. I am one of those people. Find another word to use, especially when you are asked nicely to find an alternative. The squelch list doesn't permit us to silence all of you.
Tune to 201. The filters there don't let anything through
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A good rule of thumb WMLute...
My squad CO ssdruid uses "SCHOOLED" when he downs another GV/aircraft and I use "LEVELED" when we have dropped all the hangers/buildings on a base/town.
It is easy to forget that you aren't in a "bubble" and that there might be youngsters listening. Food for thought. GOOD POST
I use TOASTED :D
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not using the term "raped" is probably good idea, as to not subject the sub-15 year old players to something that "vulgar"
problem is, its mostly the sub-15 year olds that use such terminology...
myself on the other hand.. I never swear :angel:
:noid
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Can I still think to myself "I'm screwed"?
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Can I still think to myself "I'm screwed"?
no, you cannot!!!!!
the thought police can read your mind through your headset :noid
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For me it all boils down to "would I say it infront of a six year old".
I "try" to use that guidline before I type/say anything in AcesHigh.
When my kiddo's were young, they would sit there for hours and watch me fly. There are lots of children that DO fly AH. Show some self respect and keep the garbage off of vox/text.
That would be nice, however some need to learn NOT to vox and cuss people out randomly - I made mistake of letting my niece play and she rammed someone not knowing what would happen, next thing I know certain someone screaming profanity over vox.
Seriously just shows the class some have when they do this - one thing to whine on 200 but to cuss someone out using pretty harsh langauge is not what a 7 yr old girl needs to hear.
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txt buffer language is not acceptable as it is right now.
I come from "another sim" , with with a more mature community.
In that sim the language many use here would be reported with a screeenshot, and players will be warned/banned
Is that a bad idea for AH to apply ?
We dont need it here imo.
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we do save. trust me, i know :aok
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i like pwnt and newbie better.
Dude we totally "newb" a36. :lol
:aok
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txt buffer language is not acceptable as it is right now.
I come from "another sim" , with with a more mature community.
Let me guess...Microsoft FS? If so, the ATCs on there are the most pedantic and ana* bunch of people I've ever spoken to online. Some of the people are fine, but like here, others are batty.
As to this topic, I don't swear on the text at all (I haven't worked VOX out yet, but I'll do my best not to there either), but I do use phrases like "ace pilot" "COMMUNARD" etc, but usually only on the country channel. A notable exception to this was a few nights ago, but sorry about that if it offended you and it won't happen again.
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Yossarian
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how about 'we really Skyrocked that base' :D
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how about 'we really Skyrocked that base' :D
gets my vote :aok :lol
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My 9yr. old son would like to fly online, and because of the occasional run in with choice language, I have a certain trepidation. He's not completely foreign to foul language (as I have slipped up from time to time :uhoh), but that doesn't make it okay.
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:eek: "You are fined ten credits for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute" :lol
...maybe a perk fine might actually help?
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some people would run out of perks fast :lol
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:eek: "You are fined ten credits for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute" :lol
...maybe a perk fine might actually help?
"So much for the three seashells." :D
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So not to offend Serenity I should no longer say, "I'm all over your arse like a priest and you're the alter boy"?
ack-ack
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:rofl :lol AKAK thats too funny.
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:eek: "You are fined ten credits for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute" :lol
...maybe a perk fine might actually help?
I can think of a few that would be out of perks in an hour or two. Then what?
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Raise ENY just for them?
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:eek: "You are fined ten credits for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute" :lol
what are the seashells for?
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Does anybody bring up the fact that most of the foul language comes from the 6-16 yr olds... Today's kids are being brought up by kids and thus... Do not have an adult teaching them how to act.
For me it all boils down to "would I say it infront of a six year old".
...There are lots of children that DO fly AH. Show some self respect and keep the garbage off of vox/text.
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Totally concur. Doesn't it follow that our personal choices, good or bad, might be the ONLY example some folks get to see or hear? The toughest guy I ever met was REAL QUIET about it.
The word used at the start of this thread is disturbing to me also. I don't see striking it from the game vocabulary as Political Correctness. It's more like compassionate to do so.
This community is famous for some real creative phaseology that is both hilarious and convicting. We need not be profane or insensitive. See? I just knew there HAD TO BE a place for Brits and Texans!
:)
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Wish I could have responded 1st.....no one cares if you dont like the word raped, I suppose we could pass a law in the united states banning free speach, and then you might be happy.
Shmuck, for instance could be the next word with a negative cona,,,conitation.<-------?
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How about banning:
"I mugged his 109 like a thief in the night!" :uhoh
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just gotta replace the word Raped w/ Pwned or Pwnt for PC or something
And Pwned/Pwnt makes them angrier than "I JUST RAPED YOU!!" :noid
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And Pwned/Pwnt makes them angrier than "I JUST RAPED YOU!!" :noid
Could you please say this to me when you actually shoot my cartoon aircraft down/blow up my cartoon ground vehicle. Seriously, please try to remember my request. My "response" will be well worth it.
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Could you please say this to me when you actually shoot my cartoon aircraft down/blow up my cartoon ground vehicle. Seriously, please try to remember my request. My "response" will be well worth it.
which one? :rofl :rofl
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which one? :rofl :rofl
"What which one?"
I will NEVER PM a single soul in a negative manner. I haven't since I created my AH account in 2002.
Just try to remember my request.
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For those of you who are classing this as a "purely PC issue" and rolling your eyes, I'd like to point out that if yourself or someone you knew and loved had ever been subjected to the kind of violation meant by the word in it's normal context, you too might feel a little uncomfortable with the word being thrown around as casually as it is. (And as Forrest Gump would say - "That's all I have to say about that....")
Hasn't bothered me yet. I must be an odd one.
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"What which one?"
I will NEVER PM a single soul in a negative manner. I haven't since I created my AH account in 2002.
Just try to remember my request.
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Harshest language I use is "Squeak squeak" as a vulgar language not against the young ones, but to those arm chair generals like drdeathx who everytime hears "Squeak squeak" on range when he talks goes into this rage with profanity that would make a sailor blush till next week.
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Wish I could have responded 1st.....no one cares if you dont like the word raped, I suppose we could pass a law in the united states banning free speach, and then you might be happy.
Shmuck, for instance could be the next word with a negative cona,,,conitation.<-------?
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Plenty of people care apparently, and this isn't a democracy, it's a private business. HTC would be the final judge on what's appropriate and what's not.
The mention was made that many of the abusers seem to be in the younger set, the adults have to be in charge. Moderate away if you see fit, the potty mouth aspect adds nothing to the game for anyone really. It may make the internet teen tuff guy feel like he's projecting a bigger online persona, but it does so at some detriment to others.
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Could you please say this to me when you actually shoot my cartoon aircraft down/blow up my cartoon ground vehicle. Seriously, please try to remember my request. My "response" will be well worth it.
Don't hesitate to try it angels, I pwned Karaya in the DA hardcore, even filmed it and posted it. He isn't hard to beat.
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our DA date still on Mensa, I need to see how well the K4 can handle vs a good 38 pilot.
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Ive noticed its kids who are playing when their parents aren't in the room, or its people who think they need to prove they're tough to total strangers over the internet.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, this is coming from the same guy who argued that the k4 is one of the easiest planes to fly and dogfight in, I rest my case.
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everybody love everybody
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Ladies and Gentlemen, this is coming from the same guy who argued that the k4 is one of the easiest planes to fly and dogfight in, I rest my case.
Now first let me correct you, I didn't say it was one of the easiest, I said it was comparatively easy.
Second, how does that claim have any bearing on a topic such as this?
I agree, it's usually kids who use this foul language, and I'm not complaining about bad language in general. I've had more than my fair share of drunk pilots swearing on vox. I'm fine with that. I am simply asking that people try to refrain from using one particular word. For those of you who have had someone close to you sexually assaulted, having that word become a 'cool' word, used by kids who think it makes them seem tough is a rather upsetting thing.
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Guys, serenity is not trying to revoke your freedom of speech or piss you off, hes just asking to try and control yourselves while typing. Swear all you want just dont type it of press F12 or T.
I mean im pretty sure serenity has sworn b4 and will use em again but he just does not want some people getting offended by words or picking up new words cuz some kids bud on AH who has a score of 38 said it so it must be cool
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man, what level of pettiness has this community stooped down to that people worry about such inconsequential banter in a game.
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Squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak.
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Plenty of people care apparently, and this isn't a democracy, it's a private business. HTC would be the final judge on what's appropriate and what's not.
The mention was made that many of the abusers seem to be in the younger set, the adults have to be in charge. Moderate away if you see fit, the potty mouth aspect adds nothing to the game for anyone really. It may make the internet teen tuff guy feel like he's projecting a bigger online persona, but it does so at some detriment to others.
And I bet that they're gonna be the final Judge on when Waldren gets PNG'd :noid
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I got a pop up box only once in my years on AH...
It was for a comment about Carrot top's sexual preference and Rosie O'Donald's agreement. It was over the top, it was meant in jest but I know I overstepped the bounds of taste and I apologized on 200 to the Moderator and everyone who was on at the time (even if it was funny as heck).
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I got a pop up box only once in my years on AH...
It was for a comment about Carrot top's sexual preference and Rosie O'Donald's agreement. It was over the top, it was meant in jest but I know I overstepped the bounds of taste and I apologized on 200 to the Moderator and everyone who was on at the time (even if it was funny as heck).
I think the last mute I got was for making fun of I think CMustard when he really ticked me off... I did go over the line though. Sorry for those who did see that :/
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man, what level of pettiness has this community stooped down to that people worry about such inconsequential banter in a game.
Some words in particular offend people. What is so bad about asking them to refrain from using them? Im sure if I used a racial slur you all would be on top of me screaming for a PNG.
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Don't hesitate to try it angels, I pwned Karaya in the DA hardcore, even filmed it and posted it. He isn't hard to beat.
I've fought him in DA once before... :rolleyes:
Course, I got drawn into the awful world of picking, so he'll probably win both times next go around.
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no, you cannot!!!!!
the thought police can read your mind through your headset :noid
Not when I'm wearing my tinfoil helmet they can't! :noid
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So not to offend Serenity I should no longer say, "I'm all over your arse like a priest and you're the alter boy"?
ack-ack
:rofl
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I got a pop up box only once in my years on AH...
It was for a comment about Carrot top's sexual preference and Rosie O'Donald's agreement. It was over the top, it was meant in jest but I know I overstepped the bounds of taste and I apologized on 200 to the Moderator and everyone who was on at the time (even if it was funny as heck).
Jeez Del, I missed that, I bet is was funny.
Could you please post it here for those of us who were not on line at the time? :devil
shamus
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So not to offend Serenity I should no longer say, "I'm all over your arse like a priest and you're the alter boy"?
ack-ack
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Can't believe this thread is this long with nobody stating the obvious. As always I am glad to offer clues to the clueless, free of charge.
One definition of the rape is: (as a noun) the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse, any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person. (as a verb) to force to have sexual intercourse.
An alternate definition is: (as a noun) an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: (eg. the rape of the countryside. ) (as a verb) to plunder (a place); despoil. to seize, take, or carry off by force.
In the context of the game why would one assume the sexual connotation when the other definition seems more apt? A mind preoccupied with sex or maybe just in need of enlightenment. In either case, your welcome in advance, glad I could help.
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That's because anyone but a moron would realize that when it's applied to an object, it carries an asexual connotation - when applied to a person, it carries a sexual connotation.
Nice try, though.
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I do not deny that it is possible that some may openly brag about their violent homosexual tendencies, but I feel it would be a Ghastly mistake to state "facts" without citing a single linguistic reference. So prior to talking out of your butt and confusing the perfume of your own flatulence with information I would advise doing at least some cursory research into the subject.
I anxiously await an explanation as to how abuse (a cited definition of rape) is limited to inanimate objects. Failing that I would suggest you reconsider whom may deserve the moniker "moron".
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As far as linguistics are concerned, the gorilla is correct. I say we give him a treat.
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Fay.jpg)
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I do not deny that it is possible that some may openly brag about their violent homosexual tendencies, but I feel it would be a Ghastly mistake to state "facts" without citing a single linguistic reference. So prior to talking out of your butt and confusing the perfume of your own flatulence with information I would advise doing at least some cursory research into the subject.
... abuse (a cited definition of rape) is limited to inanimate objects. Failing that I would suggest you reconsider whom may deserve the moniker "moron".
I never said squat about "abuse" - we're talking about another word. In fact, the very source you quoted indicates that the alternate definition applies to a place, rather than a person!
Show me a recognized work of literature where the word under discussion when applied to a person doesn't have a sexual connotation, and I'll retract the insinuation that you are of less than average mental stature.
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So not to offend Serenity I should no longer say, "I'm all over your arse like a priest and you're the alter boy"?
ack-ack
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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I never said squat about "abuse" - we're talking about another word. In fact, the very source you quoted indicates that the alternate definition applies to a place, rather than a person!
Show me a recognized work of literature where the word under discussion when applied to a person doesn't have a sexual connotation, and I'll retract the insinuation that you are of less than average mental stature.
You really can't be this dense Ghastly. Read the alternate definition again, it applies to a place if the word is used as a verb.
(as a verb) to plunder (a place); despoil. to seize, take, or carry off by force.
As a noun however...
(as a noun) an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation
Kong is correct (three words I would never have thought I'd ever type together in a sentence). If you really want to split hairs, the alternate definition is the correct definition for Rape rather than the mainstream definition of:
(as a noun) the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse, any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person. (as a verb) to force to have sexual intercourse.
ack-ack
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Learn how to communicate without profanity. It makes you look stupid, dammit.
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its the kids who say that anyways lmao :O
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Show me a recognized work of literature where the word under discussion when applied to a person doesn't have a sexual connotation, and I'll retract the insinuation that you are of less than average mental stature.
hmmmmm..."A recognized work of literature", I don't really read comic books so I'm not sure I can cite any literature you might recognize. Would recognition by Websters suffice?
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary.(It provides a non-sexual definition and an example of usage.)
1. The act of seizing and carrying away by force; violent seizure; robbery.
And ruined orphans of thy rapes complain. --Sandys.
So..."I'll retract the insinuation that you are of less than average mental stature" when you can tell us who Sandys is and from what work Webster's is quoting. And while your at it look up "insinuation" I believe your statement would be more aptly termed a "declaration".
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Just curious. Is the next topic "gang bang"? Been hearing that one in WWII flight sims since '96 (those darn youngsters). It carries a connotation ya know.
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Oh boy! Purse fight.
<---- grabs popcorn. Pulls up chair.
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Oh boy! Purse fight.
<---- grabs popcorn. Pulls up chair.
got an extra chair and popcorn? I'll bring the "beverages"
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I would like people to stop saying that they "roped" someone or got "roped". It carries a certain negative racial connotation in it's relation to lynchings. Can we instead say "dragged" or "drug"? Oh wait, oops, James Byrd, Jr. Hmm...
Ok, let's just call it a "fluffy pony bunny kiss" maneuver. For example: "He had way more E than me. I shouldn't have climbed after him but I did. The next thing I knew, BAM! I got fluffy pony bunny kissed. I don't think that terminology will offend anyone. Unless, of course, it conjures up images of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg&feature=related).
Actually, now that I think about it, why don't we just remove all text and vox communication from the game entirely. That would ensure that no one's delicate feelings are sullied.
Or, why don't we shut down the game entirely. I mean, I'm sure that somewhere in the world people are completely aghast at the very notion of simulated violence. Well, I guess we could keep the game going as long as all the virtual ammunition were changed to paintballs or jellybeans.
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Just curious. Is the next topic "gang bang"? Been hearing that one in WWII flight sims since '96 (those darn youngsters). It carries a connotation ya know.
You might offend Serenity since he was "ganged banged" by two Hawaiians.
ack-ack
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I would like people to stop saying that they "roped" someone or got "roped". It carries a certain negative racial connotation in it's relation to lynchings.
How special. Some one that doesn't understand the origins of the term. It has nothing to do with lynching or anyone being hanged and it certainly has no racial connotations. The term was "coined" by Muhammad Ali in an interview with Howard Cosell following his fight with George Foreman in 1974.
In connection with air combat simulations, HiTech first used the phrase in Air Warrior to describe an energy fighting tactic where you entice you opponent to follow you up in a climb (the rope) and kill him (the dope) when he stalls.
You might want check your facts prior to posting in the future. :)
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I think he intended sarcasm tags around that NB :)
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I think he intended sarcasm tags around that NB :)
Then he shoulda used 'em. :)
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this subject keeps comming up. usually by someone that said or typed something ingame that they most likely knew they shouldn't have. i've heard of the thing with the designation for the corsair, but if someone claims to be warning you of a corsair dropping, that's really not an excuse. what about the ""check six"" button? it's much much faster, and really it doesn't matter what is diving on ya, as long as ya get outta his guns.
anyway, now that that's said.........here's the best way to avoid being muted.
imagine there's a 5 year old child sitting right next to you watching you fly and fight. now......would you say chit, or noodle, or drop the eff bomb with that 5 year old there? didn't think so.
if you won't say or type it in front of a 5 year opld, then don't say or type it ingame. most of us are older...but there are kids in here.
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anyway, now that that's said.........here's the best way to avoid being muted.
imagine there's a 5 year old child sitting right next to you watching you fly and fight. now......would you say chit, or noodle, or drop the eff bomb with that 5 year old there? didn't think so.
if you won't say or type it in front of a 5 year opld, then don't say or type it ingame. most of us are older...but there are kids in here.
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Don't matter if someone and starts cussing at you on private vox. I've been the recipient of this more than 10 times since I started playing. A couple of times, my kid was either flying or right next to me.
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Don't matter if someone and starts cussing at you on private vox. I've been the recipient of this more than 10 times since I started playing. A couple of times, my kid was either flying or right next to me.
ooooooo.....i better go back and re-read..i thoujght they were talking about open channel.
even on private vox though, isn't there a ""report xxx" function though?
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"Dude, I just RAPED him!!!"
"Man he just got RAPED!"
Ok I aint smart like all you fellas but....how is this not sexual ?
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Hilbly, I'm apparently not "smart" like them either, and for that I'm thankful. :pray
Kong, I'd assume that the Sandy's that's being quoted is a 16th century poet who translated Christ's Passion from the Greek, as you quoted it "as is" from a site that that purportedly took it from the 1913 Unabridged Websters (unless "Websters 1913" was the guy's alias.... :O (Yes, I can search the Internet too.) :rolleyes:
And even then - in the quote you've provided the word isn't applied to the orphans, it's something they "complained of".
By the way, what is the ISBN and year of printing of your dictionary, or did you simply search the Internet? I actually meant for you to refer me to some real literature that you've read, not something someone referenced that someone wrote (probably several hundred years ago) that you found on an Internet search..... :eek:
I have the Webster's New World Dictionary printed December 1982 (ISBN 0-446-31299-1),and below is the definition of rape as accurately as I can quote it without using the accented symbols for pronunciation:
Rape 1 () [prob. <L. rapere, sieze] 1. The crime of having intercourse with a woman without her consent. 2. To plunder or destroy (of a city, etc.) as in warfare --vt
Rape 2 () [< L. rapa, turnip] a plant of the mustard family...
Sorry, but I'll go with the definition from the dictionary I have in hand, especially when they correspond to the actual current usage.
Bill Clinton would be proud of those of you who think that using the word makes you cool and then claiming you mean otherwise than you do when you use it based upon what is almost certainly an archaic meaning referenced from what appears to be 300 to 400 year old poetry.
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Ok I aint smart like all you fellas but....how is this not sexual ?
BUT YA SEE..THIS AGAIN BRINGS IT BACK TO whether or not you'd say it in front of a 5 year old.
sorry bout the caps...
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2. To plunder or destroy (of a city, etc.) as in warfare --vt
Maybe I'm missing something but doesn't this definition fit precisely into the war game we're playing here? So in effect "We raped them" carries no negative conotation at all unless of course you're on the losing side.
I guess people shouldn't be named Dick either. :rolleyes:
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2. To plunder or destroy (of a city, etc.) as in warfare --vt
Call me crazy, but that sounds like the context/definition that has been cited as being used in the game.
I've never used the word that way in the game, but...
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Rape 2 () [< L. rapa, turnip] a plant of the mustard family...
We have a WINNER!!! "Man, I just turnip'd him!!!" :rock
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Good Lawd!
On the boards and in the game the text mods & automods are already tighter than radio tower guy lines. Sheesh!
Yesterday on the "Second Annual Aces High Recipe Swap" thread, I was recommending using a certian kind of mushroom in an oriental dish.
The auto-text-mod turned it into: "poopake" mushrooms. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Anyone who has been anywhere more than >6K from one European Iberian Peninsula player (who will remain ID-less) knows that anything can happen on text or voice at anytime. I am even impresed he is able to use some banned words as nouns, verbs, adjectives, and adverbs all in the same sentance.
If you have a collission (even by total accident) expect some pretty nasty items to pop up on bright white text.
Anyone who has played the game more than a month knows this. It's no secret that some folks use bad curse words...especially on VOX.
I play with headphones on when my 2 year old grand-daughter is around. When she gets old enough to read, the "office" will be off limits while I'm flying.
If I had brought her into an environment that has a history wirdy-dords and inuendo and she saw/heard something bad it would be my fault for doing so.
Would you take your kid into a biker bar--then get all up in some bikers face and get indignant after he curses after missing a billiards shot? The answer is don't take your kid to a biker bar.
On the other hand, those who abuse the .report feature need to be perma-banned from the game.
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We have a WINNER!!! "Man, I just turnip'd him!!!" :rock
Man...our CV and base at 123 JUST GOT TURNIPED!!!!
I can live with that! :aok :aok
Get out the textbooks and re-write history...1930's "The Mustard Turnip Of Nanking"!!!!
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And even then - in the quote you've provided the word isn't applied to the orphans, it's something they "complained of".
Yes they complained of something that was done to them called "rape" that was not sexual in nature. Dang, get a clue ( I keep giving them (free of charge to the clueless (of course))).
And yes I looked it up on the internet, it took me 20 seconds. Since it satisfied your conditions for a retraction of your effluence, I stopped there. Can I expect you to live up to your word or is your character as impressive as your IQ.
To answer hibly's question. How could it possibly be sexual, last I checked, the human genitalia cannot, as of yet, be transported through the internet packet stream, thereby rendering forced sexual activity though a UDP or TCP internet connection an impossibility. We shall all have to wait for the IPvSex protocol to be implemented for that. I hear it will use port 69 and give a whole new twist to the practice of packet shaping.
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I guess people shouldn't be named Dick either. :rolleyes:
I think the word in question on this thread is just fine. The PC folks don't need yet another word to up and :cry about. Sheesh!
As for Dick? I know you jest, but a ham radio friend of mine from Lake Geneva, WI is named....no joke...Dick Reamer.
Dick works at a plate company that makes plates for US Embassys. Great guy...just his folks didn't put a lot of thought into his name.
These PC folks need to hide under the sheets and pretend all the bad things will just go away.
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Would you take your kid into a biker bar--then get all up in some bikers face and get indignant after he curses after missing a billiards shot? The answer is don't take your kid to a biker bar.
Yeesh. Get over yourself, there's no way that AH even remotely resembles a biker bar on any level.
Some people need to think a little bit, is all. Most of the folks I know (family, and their friends both) who ride generally don't walk into a restaurant, store or other public place where there are kids and run foul at the mouth any more than most other adults I know would. (There are a couple of exceptions of course - just like there are any other time you lump a bunch of people together.)
And that is the crux of Serenity's request - some folks are saying we should behave like adults when it comes to a particular subject that some find unnecessary and uncomfortable in nature, while some of us behave more like we need to stand around on 4 legs braying "Hee haw - Someone notice how cooooool I am!" anyway we can.
Behave however you want, you will anyway - just don't expect everyone to necessarily admire you for your ability to talk (or type) "tough guy". Or expect other's to not say "Yeah, right" and roll their eyes when you pretend it's you meant it differently than you did.
Those who have class are obvious - and those who don't are just as obvious.
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Those who have class are obvious - and those who don't are just as obvious.
How ironic.
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To answer hibly's question. How could it possibly be sexual, last I checked, the human genitalia cannot, as of yet, be transported through the internet packet stream, thereby rendering forced sexual activity though a UDP or TCP internet connection an impossibility. We shall all have to wait for the IPvSex protocol to be implemented for that. I hear it will use port 69 and give a whole new twist to the practice of packet shaping.
nice vocabulary lol....words are never sexual ? Is that what you just said ? I see alot of work for lawyers recovering sexual harassment settlements and judgements . especially those that were awarded for email , phone calls , etc. ROFL . Bro u r funny <S>
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As for Dick? I know you jest, but a ham radio friend of mine from Lake Geneva, WI is named....no joke...Dick Reamer.
Dick works at a plate company that makes plates for US Embassys. Great guy...just his folks didn't put a lot of thought into his name.
That's nothing. I worked as VP of Marketing for a company and one of the original investors and a member of the board of directors name was Dick Wiltz. Nicest guy you'd ever meet but what the h@ll were his parents thinking?
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Yeesh. Get over yourself, there's no way that AH even remotely resembles a biker bar on any level.
Now there's a comment that shows a total disconnection with reality.
We have PLENTY of them on knights. Maybe rooks & bish are perfect angels, I don't know, I don't fly there.
There are those who DO make the MA sound like a biker bar, especially on VOX. I could name ID's, but everyone besides you seems seems to know who they are already. I'd give you an example, but it would be in violation of the posting rules.
At least two guys have been punished so many times that they have changed their ID's and started over...but sadly continue their potty-mouthed ways.
A couple more I know have been text banned more than they have not been banned.
One guy normally sits at a highly contested base in a gv. Everytime he get's picked off he goes into a drunken curse rage that sounds like Borat on a 5th of vodka...every other word is one of the "heavy seven".
I have never reported him because I figure that most everone else is.
So yeah...there are plenty of times when MA resembles a biker bar.
To dismiss it as if it were a lie shows a total lack of knowing what you are talking about.
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two funniest names i ever heard
Mike Hunt and Joe king.
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So, let me get this straight if I can ROX.
A biker bar is by definition restricted to adults, at least by age. AH is open to players of all ages.
And because of few potty mouths can't control themselves in AH (for example, like a couple of bikers going to a public park and then behaving inappropriately) - in your opinion, then everyone who want's to take their kids to the park should go somewhere else?
Your logic impresses me about as much as that of the King o' the Internet search's.
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do some parenting quit expecting htc and the government to censor what u hear and read
if u dont like it squelch or detune its that simple this whole thread is like u taking a ride on a pirateship and telling the captain to tell the crew to watch their language i mean comon grow a set
if im watching tv ie: politics and i dont like what their saying i pick up the remote raise my finger and press the up or down button as far as kids go .......u know this language occurs be a responsible parent and explain to ur kids whats right and whats wrong ...be a parent my 2 cents
btw im a father aswell with a 7yr old ....i use a headset when i play
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Thought my (in English) post was pretty simple.
Let's see...if you KNEW IN ADVANCE that some people showed up at that park on a pretty regular basis that behaved inappropriately, and it could happen pretty much at ANY time, you'd still take your kids to that park?
Why don't you just drop off your kids at Michael Jackson's house with a few bottles of wine?
Glad you weren't my parent.
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Thought my (in English) post was pretty simple.
Let's see...if you KNEW IN ADVANCE that some people showed up at that park on a pretty regular basis that behaved inappropriately, and it could happen pretty much at ANY time, you'd still take your kids to that park?
Why don't you just drop off your kids at Michael Jackson's house with a few bottles of wine?
Glad you weren't my parent.
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Agree wholeheartedly.
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Thought my (in English) post was pretty simple.
Let's see...if you KNEW IN ADVANCE that some people showed up at that park on a pretty regular basis that behaved inappropriately, and it could happen pretty much at ANY time, you'd still take your kids to that park?
Why don't you just drop off your kids at Michael Jackson's house with a few bottles of wine?
Glad you weren't my parent.
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life aint fair or pretty get used to it move on protect ur family.....get a pair of these y should one have to police what ur kids hear when ur the parent
yes i would take my kid to the park but she knows right from wrong because i dont shelter her from the reality of life
there is good and bad everywhere u go in life take the proper steps to sheild ur own preferences simple
last time i heard 200 was a tunable channel
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Honestly its an open game, if your parents pay your account then they should be aware of the consequences involving language. I really don't care if someone slips up and cusses on vox range, but if your like drdeathx and rant on vox - then I do believe they need to be PNG'd.
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Let's not sidestep the issue here - what I would or would not do as a parent in the hypothetical situation isn't the point - the point is that in this thread that some folks are arguing that it's not the responsibility of the person who blasts out a stream of obscenity to control their mouths, but rather the other player's responsibility to find some way to not hear it if they are going to find it offensive. Essentially, defending the biker's "right" to be a potty mouth in the park rather than behave like an adult (to continue the analogy).
More directly to the point of this thread - Serenity has asked (nicely) if folks would perhaps consider using a different word than they at times do, and a number of you have responded by saying: "Yuk yuk yuk, that word doesn't mean what it means when we use it to show off, and if you don't like it, don't play the game."
We agree on at least one point - I'm glad I didn't raise some of you, too.
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Let's not sidestep the issue here - what I would or would not do as a parent in the hypothetical situation isn't the point - the point is that in this thread that some folks are arguing that it's not the responsibility of the person who blasts out a stream of obscenity to control their mouths, but rather the other player's responsibility to find some way to not hear it if they are going to find it offensive. Essentially, defending the biker's "right" to be a potty mouth in the park rather than behave like an adult (to continue the analogy).
More directly to the point of this thread - Serenity has asked (nicely) if folks would perhaps consider using a different word than they at times do, and a number of you have responded by saying: "Yuk yuk yuk, that word doesn't mean what it means when we use it to show off, and if you don't like it, don't play the game."
We agree on at least one point - I'm glad I didn't raise some of you, too.
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Exactly.
They'll often say "squelch them". I've stated in other threads that it does not SOLVE the problem, instead you hide from it. You'll never hear of or see me PM someone in anger. Maybe an occasional "You're better than that", but absolutely no cussing. I don't do it, won't do it and don't tolerate someone doing it. It's juvenile and inappropriate for a game comprised mainly of "adults".
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life aint fair or pretty get used to it move on protect ur family.....get a pair of these y should one have to police what ur kids hear when ur the parent
yes i would take my kid to the park but she knows right from wrong because i dont shelter her from the reality of life
there is good and bad everywhere u go in life take the proper steps to sheild ur own preferences simple
last time i heard 200 was a tunable channel
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part of the point is that it may be a kid playing too.
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Let's not sidestep the issue here - what I would or would not do as a parent in the hypothetical situation isn't the point - the point is that in this thread that some folks are arguing that it's not the responsibility of the person who blasts out a stream of obscenity to control their mouths, but rather the other player's responsibility to find some way to not hear it if they are going to find it offensive. Essentially, defending the biker's "right" to be a potty mouth in the park rather than behave like an adult (to continue the analogy).
More directly to the point of this thread - Serenity has asked (nicely) if folks would perhaps consider using a different word than they at times do, and a number of you have responded by saying: "Yuk yuk yuk, that word doesn't mean what it means when we use it to show off, and if you don't like it, don't play the game."
We agree on at least one point - I'm glad I didn't raise some of you, too.
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although it's been said many many times....here goea AGAIN.....
you get a warning. then you continue. you KNOW you shouldn't be yelling and cussing like that. then you get muted.
if YOU had the trash mouth, how exactly is it someone elses fault? these mods are volenteers. they have a job to do. if they make a mistake, so be it. but STILL keep in mind, that YOU and only YOU brough the mute on yourself. it's pretty simple.
ghastly..not aimed at you dude....i just happened to hit the "quoite thingy and didn't want to re-type.
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a number of you have responded by saying: "Yuk yuk yuk, that word doesn't mean what it means when we use it to show off, and if you don't like it, don't play the game."
Sorry, I must have missed that one. What I did see was people stating that, contextually, the word can have more than one meaning.....which it can (and does). Perhaps I am wrong, I also don't remember the "don't like..don't play" thing either. I did do know that players do have options besides doing that, squelch being one of them. The squelch command is not a "solution", merely an option.
As for players acting in a responsible manner, I don't know how anyone could disagree. With the spoken word, I can at least see an "oops...slip of the tongue". Typing, however, requires conscious thought. There for, there is no excuse when it comes to typing. Those players should be reported and dealt with harshly.
What I did see was some folks suggesting that it should be understood that this sort of thing can happen and if you are easily offended or have young children playing, you might want to consider other options. This in no way excuses anyone, nor does it foist responsibility on to the recipient. What it does is realize that the system of enforcement is imperfect and if you have a problem with that, this might not be the place for you.
In the end, if you really want to make a difference......report foul language to HTC (Skuzzy is gonna hate me for this one :D). I can tell you without fear of contradiction, HT is more easily offended (annoyed) with foul language in his game than most of you. I know he has at times wished for a more Draconian system. At the same time, he has other..."business concerns" that lead him to believe that the system in place is the best one.
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Anyone who has been anywhere more than >6K from one European Iberian Peninsula player (who will remain ID-less) knows that anything can happen on text or voice at anytime. I am even impresed he is able to use some banned words as nouns, verbs, adjectives, and adverbs all in the same sentance.
That is the truth, his command of the murkier side of the english lanuage is impressive.
That guy hardly ever uses a "clean" word. Personally I think he is very wrong to use that language, but at the same time it is hilarious and I usually can't stop laughing. True story- we are both in GVs and he sees a GV in the woods and says "S--- he is there." The GV moves 100m and he says "Oh S---". It fires a round that lands 300m away and he says, "SOB". By now I am laughing so hard that I can't aim and this Iberian peninsula guy shoots at the GV maybe 6-7 times, misses everytime. The target is clueless and couldn't hit an indestructible from D100. He says,, "S---" every time he fires AND everytime the nme fires back. Finally I regain control of myself and blow up the GV. As improper as Mr. Iberian is, he cracks me up. He is even more humorous in a plane!
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I don't mind the foul language. For most of the year, the bulk of the players are adults, and the language isn't even really that bad. And if it ever gets bad... well, hey, there's always the .squelch option if it grates on you too badly.
During the summer months when all of the children are on is when the foul language really starts getting flung around! Again, .squelch. When school is in session again, language always improves around the MA.
I let my kids play on my CPID all the time. I always sit for a while & scroll through the roster & do some squelching before I let them on though...
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NB, almost every word in the English language will have some sort of a twist in meaning if you go back a few hundred years. If a player calls someone "gay" you (didn't you use to mod AW?) know dang good and well they aren't saying that they believe that he's a generally happy person... despite the fact that that's actually the primary meaning of the word.
Any more than you or anyone else really believes that when people make the kinds of comments that started this thread, they mean it in any way but the contemporary meaning. My main reason for jumping in when folks started to go there is that in my opinion pretending that folks mean otherwise than you know they do when they say it is that doing so is demeaning to those who find the word offensive - it's dismissive and belittling.
And you are right - while no one who's responded has directly said "go fly a different sim" , those that responded to the analogy of the "biker's in the park" with "if you don't like it, don't go there" are essentially saying exactly that.
To be fair, most folks in this thread have responded as you'd expect from group that's by and large adults from all walks of life, many of whom are parents if not grandparents themselves - it's only a vocal few whose responses I'd object to.
The problem it's often the vocal few that create the perception that players will take away with them when they quit the game over something they feel uncomfortable about.
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Oooooh Grue....
I knew I shouldn't have looked at this thread. I have to go to work and don't have the time to respond. I will when I return. :devil
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Here are Skuzzy's thoughts on the subject back in 2004 ... I'll bet he hasn't changed his thinking.
There is no reason or excuse for the use of derogatory, foul, or abusive language. None.
It is disruptive and there is nothing positive it will accomplish.
Quite the opposite, all it generates is more anger, frustration, contempt, and causes others that were on the edge to go over.
There is no reason children should not be able to sit with thier parents and watch this game be played. If you feel it is inappropriate, then I would say to you, you are inappropriate. You cannot surmise a situation where using profanity or other abusive language is either appropriate or positive.
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That's nothing. I worked as VP of Marketing for a company and one of the original investors and a member of the board of directors name was Dick Wiltz. Nicest guy you'd ever meet but what the h@ll were his parents thinking?
Impressive, but I can top it. How about the Urologist named "Dr. Dick Tapper."
I am not kidding.
He works out of Bowling Green, Ohio -- I googled just to make sure that what somebody told me wasn't an urban myth. Which brings me to the question I always have when I see these names: Knowing what the word means now, why don't those foilks go by Rich or Rick? Oh, well.
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Off topic, but we had a dentist up in Palmer, Alaska. Dr. McCavit.
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New a med student named "Superdoc." He was naturally teased, but he insisted it was pronounced "Su- PAYR- duc" We called him Superdoc anyway.
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In Townsville will had the doctors Killmore and Cutmore :lol
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NB, almost every word in the English language will have some sort of a twist in meaning if you go back a few hundred years. If a player calls someone "gay" you (didn't you use to mod AW?) know dang good and well they aren't saying that they believe that he's a generally happy person... despite the fact that that's actually the primary meaning of the word.
Any more than you or anyone else really believes that when people make the kinds of comments that started this thread, they mean it in any way but the contemporary meaning. My main reason for jumping in when folks started to go there is that in my opinion pretending that folks mean otherwise than you know they do when they say it is that doing so is demeaning to those who find the word offensive - it's dismissive and belittling.
And you are right - while no one who's responded has directly said "go fly a different sim" , those that responded to the analogy of the "biker's in the park" with "if you don't like it, don't go there" are essentially saying exactly that.
To be fair, most folks in this thread have responded as you'd expect from group that's by and large adults from all walks of life, many of whom are parents if not grandparents themselves - it's only a vocal few whose responses I'd object to.
The problem it's often the vocal few that create the perception that players will take away with them when they quit the game over something they feel uncomfortable about.
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First, the easy part. Yes, I was the "head" monitor on AOHell from the start and almost to the finish and at one point, the only monitor on Gamestorm.
Of course the meaning of words can (and does) change over time. Take the word in question, for example. The root word of "rape" is "rapine". It comes from the Latin, "rapina"....to take by force. The word, in and of itself, has no offensive meaning. In every context, it means to take by force. To focus on the most negative context, IMHO, is a mistake too often made in our PC world. In other words, to assume the context is sexual is.....well, making an assumption. AOHell was big on "assumptive monitoring". I was not (I know my "style" caused poor Moggy no end of head aches). It was always my contention that attempting to "action" every potential problem in the game was a mistake. Unlike the normal AOHell chat rooms, we had 6 or 8 chat rooms with 200+ in each. Yes...it was not an adventure...it was a freakin' job!! :D
What I am trying to say is that given the right "phrase-ology", anyone can take any innocuous phrase and give it any spin they want. Yeah, before I was a monitor, I was a pain in da butt guy figuring out ways to type insulting nonsense. There were plenty of folks that could do it in those days. It's a shame that more folks don't try to practice the lost art of nonsense insults or even better....creative insulting!!! Now losers just toss out an "FU" or some such and it degenerates from there. :rolleyes:
Geez, there are things in this game right now that came from that era in Air Warrior. Things that are an integral part of the game...and they began as an insult aimed at one group of people (and it would drive the PC weenies nuts if they understood :eek:).
I've seen folks complain about the lack of giving back to the community because "oldtimers" don't "set the example" for the newer members of the community. Well, insulting is one area where this community is sorely lacking. The last creative insult master I remember is Shane/Ooopsy. Now he knew how to insult AND entertain. In the end, if we really need something, it's for everyone that opens their virtual mouth on 200 to have access to a dictionary and a thesaurus.
...and the "biker/park" analogy was not saying "if you don't like it, don't go there", it was saying if you know there is a potential danger to your children...deal with it appropriately. My experiences have deprived my child of the online gaming experience (I knew there were bikers in the park). He is 16 now and a well balanced young man....I willing let him make his own choice. But, not when he was 8.
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I don't mind the foul language. For most of the year, the bulk of the players are adults, and the language isn't even really that bad. And if it ever gets bad... well, hey, there's always the .squelch option if it grates on you too badly.
During the summer months when all of the children are on is when the foul language really starts getting flung around! Again, .squelch. When school is in session again, language always improves around the MA.
I let my kids play on my CPID all the time. I always sit for a while & scroll through the roster & do some squelching before I let them on though...
congrats mom u get it
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Let's not sidestep the issue here - what I would or would not do as a parent in the hypothetical situation isn't the point - the point is that in this thread that some folks are arguing that it's not the responsibility of the person who blasts out a stream of obscenity to control their mouths, but rather the other player's responsibility to find some way to not hear it if they are going to find it offensive. Essentially, defending the biker's "right" to be a potty mouth in the park rather than behave like an adult (to continue the analogy).
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I don't believe that anyone is defending anyone's "right to be a potty mouth". I hope anyone who can't play/behave by HTC rules gets punished/banned/booted. There's no sanctuary for profanity here, or in most other online games. We're all in agreement on that. Profanity is BAD. If this were my game, I would feel the same way HTC does on the subject. This is a game. Some kids play. I wouldn't want my kids talking like sailors in-game either.
Problem is...that it DOES happen.
All anyone, including me, is saying is that since you can't control the evironment of the game, you can at least control the environment around your kids.
YES, it's totally wrong if (insert chronic in-game pottymouth ID HERE) gets on and uses bad language on VOX or text. Hopefully they will get reported and get their just punishment, you CAN'T CONTROL THAT. (And hopefully they will all go to H -E-double-hockey-sticks and roast on a spit for eternity.)
On the other hand...the vast majority of active AH players knows that at any given time on AH that there might be bad language on text or VOX...if you plop your vulnerable, sponge for a mind child down in front of that computer knowing that...then YOU are to blame because you CAN CONTROL THAT.
Simply said...if you knowingly put your kid in a situation where profanity can be seen/heard at any time....don't complain about it later, because you could have easily kept them away from the situation in the first place. It's a totally preventable problem.
And yes..hopefully the potty mouths will all go to H -E-double-hockey-sticks and roast on a spit for eternity.
(Please don't get me wrong, ghastly, I like you, I think you are good people. I think if we were in person, sitting around having a cup of coffee talking instead of posting on a forum we'd understand each other easier. In the end, I think we're agreeing here, just hitting BBS potholes on the way to the same conclusion.)
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That is the truth, his command of the murkier side of the english lanuage is impressive.
That guy hardly ever uses a "clean" word. Personally I think he is very wrong to use that language, but at the same time it is hilarious and I usually can't stop laughing. True story- we are both in GVs and he sees a GV in the woods and says "S--- he is there." The GV moves 100m and he says "Oh S---". It fires a round that lands 300m away and he says, "SOB". By now I am laughing so hard that I can't aim and this Iberian peninsula guy shoots at the GV maybe 6-7 times, misses everytime. The target is clueless and couldn't hit an indestructible from D100. He says,, "S---" every time he fires AND everytime the nme fires back. Finally I regain control of myself and blow up the GV. As improper as Mr. Iberian is, he cracks me up. He is even more humorous in a plane!
I do a decent "impression" of this guy, but I do a clean version just to crack up my squaddies.
If you can do an impression of Borat, only slurring your words you have got the impression DOWN.
It's still amazing to me how a English as a second language person is able to manipulate so many "heavy seven" curse words into one cohesive sentance. To use even the same word in so many different language sintax modes is astonishing.
Even in bad traffic, I cannot match his expertice.
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9 Full pages, discussing vulgarity and obscenity, and not a single PNG or Edit by Skuzzy. Language has been tempered, discussion has been kept to the merits of the subject and no personal attacks and directed vulgar insults have occurred.
There's a lesson buried in here, it's probably deep and hard to discover, except for the whole staring you right in the face thing.
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9 Full pages, discussing vulgarity and obscenity, and not a single PNG or Edit by Skuzzy. Language has been tempered, discussion has been kept to the merits of the subject and no personal attacks and directed vulgar insults have occurred.
There's a lesson buried in here, it's probably deep and hard to discover, except for the whole staring you right in the face thing.
Don't worry, we are saving the vulgarity, the obscenity, and the eventual PNG for our online time. :aok
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They get away with saying rape??! I got muted for 60 minutes today for saying crap!!! :furious Thats a load of bull Sh.. i mean cra... oh, wait cant say that either... hmmm thats a load of bull feaces!
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Cannot recall ever being muted for saying crap... :noid
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I got 10 minutes for typing sweetheart the other night. Actually it was a warning.
I think the mute came when the text gestapo didn't understand and I explained "Hey Mod, thats word is French, it means shower. Ask any French person" That is when I got muted. Must've been the Sunday evening morality police.
Maybe they didn't understand the outraaaageous aaccent. (silly English Kk-nigits)
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I got 10 minutes for typing sweetheart the other night. Actually it was a warning.
I think the mute came when the text gestapo didn't understand and I explained "Hey Mod, thats word is French, it means shower. Ask any French person" That is when I got muted. Must've been the Sunday evening morality police.
Maybe they didn't understand the outraaaageous aaccent. (silly English Kk-nigits)
It also means shower in German.
I hope no German player types that he has to go afk for a shower...he'll get muted.
That seems a bit silly, now doesn't it.
ROX
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Different spelling.
Deutsche for shower = Dusche.
Maybe I'll use that instead as the mods seem to be biased against French.
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Different spelling.
Deutsche for shower = Dusche.
Maybe I'll use that instead as the mods seem to be biased against French.
Yikes...sorry. Pronounced the same yet spelled different. It HAS been 30 years since German class.
ROX
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i can't believe this has gone 9 pages running round n round repeating the ver same things over and over, and worse...on something that we'd all think should be common sense.
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Common sense is not very common.
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Thanks for reposting ROX - I misunderstood your first post entirely. I thought you were saying that AH is (legitimately) like a biker bar - while what you were really pointing out is that some folks behave as though it were one. And yes, from that point of view, I agree totally that it's up to a parent to decide whether to expose their children to an environment based upon how the environment actually is, rather than how it "should be in a perfect world". I also agree that claiming that it should be different than it is is a poor defense for turning a blind eye to how it is, turning your kids loose, and then complaining.
NoBaddy, I think we're going to have to simply agree to disagree.
I believe that I understand what you are saying - that most words have more than one meaning and that players and mods need to grant significant leeway with respect to that fact to other players, and not assume that because someone uses a word that they mean it in the "worst possible" way. The problem is that I believe that down that road lies pure chaos...
In my opinion you'd be more wrong than right if you do so and do more harm than good, and the environment would further deteriorate as a result. When a player types out in all caps "D00D - I RAPED HIM!" I have a really hard time believing that he chose the word based upon the more general and very archaic sense of control and seizure against the victim's will, or the more modern secondary meaning of plundering a country or city - I believe he chose to use that word solely because of it's modern meaning. (edit -> I mean the primary modern meaning, used in this instance to appear "totally badazz" in an attempt to impress those he considers peers)
But since we are each putting forth an opinion based upon our own evaluation of the situation, I don't think either is going to convince the other.
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NoBaddy, I think we're going to have to simply agree to disagree.
I can live with that. :)
I believe that I understand what you are saying - that most words have more than one meaning and that players and mods need to grant significant leeway with respect to that fact to other players, and not assume that because someone uses a word that they mean it in the "worst possible" way. The problem is that I believe that down that road lies pure chaos...
Actually, down the road you would like to take lies possible law suits and all the hassle and expense associated with them. I stated earlier that I had talked with HT about my experiences and made suggestions. One of the things I suggested was some hard and fast rules about what was and wasn't actionable. When you put ANYTHING in writing, you run the risk of some one trying to use it against you. I don't know that I agree with doing it that way, since there in lies the reason for some of what people are talking about with "inconsistent moderation". However, it is better than relying on a text parser alone.
In my opinion you'd be more wrong than right if you do so and do more harm than good, and the environment would further deteriorate as a result. When a player types out in all caps "D00D - I RAPED HIM!" I have a really hard time believing that he chose the word based upon the more general and very archaic sense of control and seizure against the victim's will, or the more modern secondary meaning of plundering a country or city - I believe he chose to use that word solely because of it's modern meaning. (edit -> I mean the primary modern meaning, used in this instance to appear "totally badazz" in an attempt to impress those he considers peers)
But since we are each putting forth an opinion based upon our own evaluation of the situation, I don't think either is going to convince the other.
So, who should decide which words and phrases are actionable? You? Me? When you go outside the bounds of profanity and start trying to action words/phrases that "offend" some people....where does it stop? In the end, the only workable solution for HTC is to shut down all communications in the game. Then, their responsibility for moderating comms ends.
BTW, I don't expect to convince you (thought it would be nice...:)), the entertainment lies in the argument....not the convincing. :D
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Cannot recall ever being muted for saying crap... :noid
Well 2 other squadies of mine got muted an hour for it also.
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Well 2 other squadies of mine got muted an hour for it also.
I'm sure there is more to the story then you are telling us.
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Actually, down the road you would like to take lies possible law suits and all the hassle and expense associated with them
Actually, I can see how down either road lies possible law suits and all the hassle and expense associated with them - so I don't think there is necessarily a "safe" answer. And not being a lawyer, I sure wouldn't want to have to try to make that determination myself.
But as to who should decide, that's easy - I'd argue that HTC is the only authority on what's allowed in the game, and that each player is the final authority on whether what's allowed is acceptable to them individually, and whether it's worth "putting up with" something they'd prefer not to (if there is a conflict between the two) as a worthwhile trade-off for the enjoyment they get from other aspects of the sim.
As I'd pointed out to Serenity in the first page of the post, I don't think taking the issue to the community is the answer - if you want change. Too few of the players read the BBS, and I'd wager that even fewer of the "problem children" pay any attention to it. We're I he (or she) I'd have emailed HTC with a request and a reasonable explanation for my request, and let them decide, and then decided if I could abide by their decision.
But, he/she chose to bring it here.
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My Gawd Can't you people find something else to spend 10 pages on??? the world will not and has not spun off its axis because someone typed
words on a text buffer in a silly computer game, I for one will not worry if My son see's a So called bad word on a computer screen, for I hope I have raised a child that will not be that shallow and taken in by such superficial drivel.
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LOL ~ your freaking avatar is awful. That's so sick. I hate that show. LOL ~ I don't let my kids watch it... but I come into the kitchen one day... both little ones watching that show and singing word for word the opening song... unbelievable. That's one sick show.
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My Gawd Can't you people find something else to spend 10 pages on??? the world will not and has not spun off its axis because someone typed
words on a text buffer in a silly computer game, I for one will not worry if My son see's a So called bad word on a computer screen, for I hope I have raised a child that will not be that shallow and taken in by such superficial drivel.
DING, DING, DING.
And the winner is.................... The Flying Elk.
It's not what they see, it's how they react....
The wisest post I've seen in this whole thread.
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LOL ~ your freaking avatar is awful. That's so sick. I hate that show. LOL ~ I don't let my kids watch it... but I come into the kitchen one day... both little ones watching that show and singing word for word the opening song... unbelievable. That's one sick show.
Hey Stewy is teh 1337.
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LOL ~ your freaking avatar is awful. That's so sick. I hate that show. LOL ~ I don't let my kids watch it... but I come into the kitchen one day... both little ones watching that show and singing word for word the opening song... unbelievable. That's one sick show.
If you understood the underlying theme of the show, you'd appreciate it.
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LOL ~ your freaking avatar is awful. That's so sick. I hate that show. LOL ~ I don't let my kids watch it... but I come into the kitchen one day... both little ones watching that show and singing word for word the opening song... unbelievable. That's one sick show.
The show is definitely crude, but...............
As with the Simpsons, it is only a satirical look at the everyday reality that we all face. If you can get past the somewhat blatant vulgarity you would laugh even harder at the truth behinds most of the content.
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My Gawd Can't you people find something else to spend 10 pages on??? the world will not and has not spun off its axis because someone typed
words on a text buffer in a silly computer game, I for one will not worry if My son see's a So called bad word on a computer screen, for I hope I have raised a child that will not be that shallow and taken in by such superficial drivel.
You make a good point ... but what about consideration for others ?
Would your child also take into consideration a request by someone else if your child were asked to stop because their actions were bothering them ?
If your child were standing on the property line with an air horn blaring non-stop, and it wasn't bothering you, but your neighbor were to come outside and ask your child to stop because it was bothering him ... would you expect your child to stop blaring the air-horn ? ... or would you say "Keep blaring that horn kiddo ... it's a free world and your standing on your own property ... screw him."
Mind you, the world will not spin off it's axis because your child is blowing an air-horn.
The bottom line in discussing this topic is ... consideration for others ... what is "cool" for you, may not be "cool" for someone else, and if it bothers them, then why not take the high road and respect their request ... is it really that hard ?
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After trying to read your last....I can only assume that we are playing "last word wins"...so...hit it one more time and we can be done! :D
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Slap I cannot understand why we must always attempt to accommodate the lowest threshold of tolerance of any subject matter, how about we the people decide what is acceptable as a group and a society, not one or two overly sensitive outta touch with the real world types. I try to teach my kids to be considerate to others but they also have to live in the real world, unfortunately the Real world is not always P/C nor should it be. How about some good ol' common sense and truth for a change. :salute
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to illustrate may point, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374564,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374564,00.html)