Main Arena Language

[VonMessa]

Common sense is not very common.

[Ghastly]

Thanks for reposting ROX - I misunderstood your first post entirely.  I thought you were saying that AH is (legitimately) like a biker bar - while what you were really pointing out is that some folks behave as though it were one. And yes, from that point of view, I agree totally that it's up to a parent to decide whether to expose their children to an environment based upon how the environment actually is, rather than how it "should be in a perfect world".  I also agree that claiming that it should be different than it is is a poor defense for turning a blind eye to how it is, turning your kids loose, and then complaining. 

NoBaddy, I think we're going to have to simply agree to disagree. 

I believe that I understand what you are saying - that most words have more than one meaning and that players and mods need to grant significant leeway with respect to that fact to other players, and not assume that because someone uses a word that they mean it in the "worst possible" way.  The problem is that I believe that down that road lies pure chaos...

In my opinion you'd be more wrong than right if you do so and do more harm than good, and the environment would further deteriorate as a result. When a player types out in all caps "D00D - I RAPED HIM!" I have a really hard time believing that he chose the word based upon the more general and very archaic sense of control and seizure against the victim's will, or the more modern secondary meaning of plundering a country or city - I believe he chose to use that word solely because of it's modern meaning.  (edit -> I mean the primary modern meaning, used in this instance to appear "totally badazz" in an attempt to impress those he considers peers)

But since we are each putting forth an opinion based upon our own evaluation of the situation, I don't think either is going to convince the other. 

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[NoBaddy]

NoBaddy, I think we're going to have to simply agree to disagree. 

I can live with that.

I believe that I understand what you are saying - that most words have more than one meaning and that players and mods need to grant significant leeway with respect to that fact to other players, and not assume that because someone uses a word that they mean it in the "worst possible" way.  The problem is that I believe that down that road lies pure chaos...

Actually, down the road you would like to take lies possible law suits and all the hassle and expense associated with them. I stated earlier that I had talked with HT about my experiences and made suggestions. One of the things I suggested was some hard and fast rules about what was and wasn't actionable. When you put ANYTHING in writing, you run the risk of some one trying to use it against you. I don't know that I agree with doing it that way, since there in lies the reason for some of what people are talking about with "inconsistent moderation". However, it is better than relying on a text parser alone.

In my opinion you'd be more wrong than right if you do so and do more harm than good, and the environment would further deteriorate as a result. When a player types out in all caps "D00D - I RAPED HIM!" I have a really hard time believing that he chose the word based upon the more general and very archaic sense of control and seizure against the victim's will, or the more modern secondary meaning of plundering a country or city - I believe he chose to use that word solely because of it's modern meaning.  (edit -> I mean the primary modern meaning, used in this instance to appear "totally badazz" in an attempt to impress those he considers peers)

But since we are each putting forth an opinion based upon our own evaluation of the situation, I don't think either is going to convince the other. 

So, who should decide which words and phrases are actionable? You? Me? When you go outside the bounds of profanity and start trying to action words/phrases that "offend" some people....where does it stop? In the end, the only workable solution for HTC is to shut down all communications in the game. Then, their responsibility for moderating comms ends.

BTW, I don't expect to convince you (thought it would be nice...), the entertainment lies in the argument....not the convincing.

[mike254]

Cannot recall ever being muted for saying crap...

Well 2 other squadies of mine got muted an hour for it also.

[Husky01]

Well 2 other squadies of mine got muted an hour for it also.

I'm sure there is more to the story then you are telling us.

[Ghastly]

Actually, down the road you would like to take lies possible law suits and all the hassle and expense associated with them

Actually, I can see how down either road lies possible law suits and all the hassle and expense associated with them - so I don't think there is necessarily a "safe" answer.  And not being a lawyer, I sure wouldn't want to have to try to make that determination myself.   

But as to who should decide, that's easy - I'd argue that HTC is the only authority on what's allowed in the game, and that each player is the final authority on whether what's allowed is acceptable to them individually, and whether it's worth "putting up with" something they'd prefer not to (if there is a conflict between the two) as a worthwhile trade-off for the enjoyment they get from other aspects of the sim.

As I'd pointed out to Serenity in the first page of the post, I don't think taking the issue to the community is the answer - if you want change.  Too few of the players read the BBS, and I'd wager that even fewer of the "problem children" pay any attention to it.  We're I he (or she) I'd have emailed HTC with a request and a reasonable explanation for my request, and let them decide, and then decided if I could abide by their decision.

But, he/she chose to bring it here.

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[TheflyingElk]

My Gawd Can't you people find something else to spend 10 pages on??? the world will not and has not spun off its axis because someone typed
words on a text buffer in a silly computer game, I for one  will not worry if My son see's a So called bad word on a computer screen, for I hope I have raised a child that will not be that shallow and taken in by such superficial drivel.

[texasmom]

LOL ~ your freaking avatar is awful.  That's so sick.  I hate that show. LOL ~  I don't let my kids watch it... but I come into the kitchen one day... both little ones watching that show and singing word for word the opening song... unbelievable.  That's one sick show.

[VonMessa]

My Gawd Can't you people find something else to spend 10 pages on??? the world will not and has not spun off its axis because someone typed
words on a text buffer in a silly computer game, I for one  will not worry if My son see's a So called bad word on a computer screen, for I hope I have raised a child that will not be that shallow and taken in by such superficial drivel.

DING, DING, DING.

And the winner is....................  The Flying Elk.

It's not what they see, it's how they react....

The wisest post I've seen in this whole thread.

[Bronk]

LOL ~ your freaking avatar is awful.  That's so sick.  I hate that show. LOL ~  I don't let my kids watch it... but I come into the kitchen one day... both little ones watching that show and singing word for word the opening song... unbelievable.  That's one sick show.

Hey Stewy is teh 1337.

[Masherbrum]

LOL ~ your freaking avatar is awful.  That's so sick.  I hate that show. LOL ~  I don't let my kids watch it... but I come into the kitchen one day... both little ones watching that show and singing word for word the opening song... unbelievable.  That's one sick show.

If you understood the underlying theme of the show, you'd appreciate it.

[VonMessa]

LOL ~ your freaking avatar is awful.  That's so sick.  I hate that show. LOL ~  I don't let my kids watch it... but I come into the kitchen one day... both little ones watching that show and singing word for word the opening song... unbelievable.  That's one sick show.

The show is definitely crude, but...............

As with the Simpsons, it is only a satirical look at the everyday reality that we all face.  If you can get past the somewhat blatant vulgarity you would laugh even harder at the truth behinds most of the content. 

[SlapShot]

My Gawd Can't you people find something else to spend 10 pages on??? the world will not and has not spun off its axis because someone typed
words on a text buffer in a silly computer game, I for one  will not worry if My son see's a So called bad word on a computer screen, for I hope I have raised a child that will not be that shallow and taken in by such superficial drivel.

You make a good point ... but what about consideration for others ?

Would your child also take into consideration a request by someone else if your child were asked to stop because their actions were bothering them ?

If your child were standing on the property line with an air horn blaring non-stop, and it wasn't bothering you, but your neighbor were to come outside and ask your child to stop because it was bothering him ... would you expect your child to stop blaring the air-horn ? ... or would you say "Keep blaring that horn kiddo ... it's a free world and your standing on your own property ... screw him."

Mind you, the world will not spin off it's axis because your child is blowing an air-horn.

The bottom line in discussing this topic is ... consideration for others ... what is "cool" for you, may not be "cool" for someone else, and if it bothers them, then why not take the high road and respect their request ... is it really that hard ?

[NoBaddy]

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After trying to read your last....I can only assume that we are playing "last word wins"...so...hit it one more time and we can be done!

 

[TheflyingElk]

Slap I cannot understand why we must always attempt to accommodate the lowest threshold of tolerance of any subject matter, how  about we the people decide what is acceptable as a group and a society, not one or two overly sensitive outta touch with the real world types. I try to teach my kids to be considerate to others but they also have to live in the real world, unfortunately the Real world is not always P/C nor should it be. How about some good ol' common sense and truth for a change.