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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yarbles on July 02, 2008, 09:15:58 AM
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Anyone got a theory?
I have read its about 80-90% from the US. I am not sure why. US citizens are not that big a proportion of the English Speaking world. There is UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.
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According to the US Census bureau, 301,139,907 persons reside in the United states as of July 1997. More than the rest of the English speaking world combined! Numbers matter as anyone who was defending against the Rook Hoard at A6/7/V14/P15 last night can attest.
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usa pop. 301,179,947
uk pop. 60,776,238
can pop. 33,390,141
aus pop. 20,434,176
nz pop. 4,115,771
Total of those four -----118,716,326
usa has 2.53 times as many people as all four.
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301, 179. 947 people in US? Ok, but how many speak English? 70%? 80%? Gotta think about how many only speak Spanish or other languages.
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"US citizens are not that big a proportion of the English Speaking world." -Yarbles
Even if only 50% of the united states population spoke english, and i'm sure it's more, the usa still has 31,873,647 more english speaking people than all four combined, IF every person in those countries spoke english.
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No, 90% or better of the U.S. population still speaks English...not WELL in many cases, it is true. Just wait, we'll be down to 50% or less before too much longer.
Maybe it is those advertisements on History Channel and Millitary Channel during U.S. prime time?
And I don't know about the U.K., here in the U.S. I think we are big on aviation in general, relative to the rest of the world. Having relatively few regulations and fees involved in flying compared to many countries helps keeps the culture going. Similar to how we are on guns and hunting. What percentage of AHII players are pilots, have had some pilot training, have a pilot in the family, or are strongly considering taking flying lessons? I bet it would be a large chunk of the player base.
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301, 179. 947 people in US? Ok, but how many speak English? 70%? 80%? Gotta think about how many only speak Spanish or other languages.
m00t point... <S> 90% of the population speaks English as their FIRST language and over 50% of the remaining 10% speak enough English to get by in the US.
The US population also has a higher NET (that's after taxes for all of you in Rio Linda) income and doesn't sweat paying $15.00 (US) for an on line flight sim. I'm not being jingoistic, just stating facts.
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I dont think arguments about realtive national income hold any water as in the rest of the English Speaking world the modal average tends to be higher in relation to the mean. With De valuation of the Dollar AH Costs the same as 2 large Big Mac Meals a month.
The main point is yes there are more US citizens than the rest put together but no where near in the proportions in AH.
What rings true is Advertising.
There is none in the UK for examplw which would be the next biggest market. We have the History Channell, Discovery and UK history. Lots of programmes about WW11 Hardware.
Are you listening HTC? :D
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well Yarbles I think there are alot more non US, UK/European players than you think. They are just scattered far and wide in many different squadrons.
I'd say US players make up 75% of the player base.
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What rings true is Advertising.
There is none in the UK for examplw which would be the next biggest market. We have the History Channell, Discovery and UK history. Lots of programmes about WW11 Hardware.
Are you listening HTC? :D
Oh, i figured that you guys saw the same AH2 commercials that are played here.
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I'd say US players make up 75% of the player base.
Proportionately we would be 15% then as in 1 in 5. Do you think we have that many?
My squad has 2. (I am not letting you know who the other one is :lol). Thats one in 15 ;)
Its along time since ive seen a brit whos not with you or the 71st and I am looking for them.
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Oh, i figured that you guys saw the same AH2 commercials that are played here.
No all we get in the Uk are adds about debt consolidation and sueing your ex employer!!
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its along time since ive seen a brit whos not with you or the 71st and I am looking for them.
Thats because you don't swap country.
There were quite a few on Bish that either don't want to be part of a squad or just like playing lone wolf. I dont hold that against them, they miss out on the banter not me.
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Thats because you don't swap country.
There were quite a few on Bish that either don't want to be part of a squad or just like playing lone wolf. I dont hold that against them, they miss out on the banter not me.
I was winging with one a month or so ago. Unaffiliated I think. I forgot his name. Good guy. We had fun. Yes, there are several on the Bish side.
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probably because HTC only advertises in the US and possibly Canada. Every one else finds it on the Internet.
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Are other countries well-represented in other massive online multiplayer games, say like World of Warcraft?
Always wondered about that.
If they're poorly represented in other games, well then I guess it's cultural or something.
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I found AH after the disastrous ww2ol launch. Thank heavens i did. :)
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Does anybody know what the Big Mac Index is? Any economists out there?
15 bucks a month is more then most of us stupid Americans realize it is.
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Anyone got a theory?
I have read its about 80-90% from the US. I am not sure why. US citizens are not that big a proportion of the English Speaking world. There is UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.
Why limit it to the English speaking world? With the current Euro/Dollar exchange rate, for the 9.50 euros I spend on this game a month I couldn't get two pints at the pub...
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Does anybody know what the Big Mac Index is? Any economists out there?
15 bucks a month is more then most of us stupid Americans realize it is.
$15 is alot to us Americas or to the rest of the world? I cannot even drive 50 miles on $15 anymore, makes this game seen like a no brain-er! :aok
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probably because HTC only advertises in the US and possibly Canada. Every one else finds it on the Internet.
It was pure chance that I stumbled across this.
I was google searching for something entirely unrelated.
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Does anybody know what the Big Mac Index is? Any economists out there?
15 bucks a month is more then most of us stupid Americans realize it is.
4 Venti Lattes at starbucks... $16.80
2 sixpacks of Becks... $15.98
I could go on like this all day... What is the point?
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I found the game on the web after searching for ww2 aviation novels in 03.
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Its along time since ive seen a brit whos not with you or the 71st and I am looking for them.
<raises hand>
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I was kind of wondering the same thing. You would think there would be a lot of Japanese, Germans and Russians..
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I was kind of wondering the same thing. You would think there would be a lot of Japanese, Germans and Russians..
There are many reasons. Cultural differences are one of them, and not the smallest ones, followed by language issues.
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I was google searching for something entirely unrelated.
You found it searching migratory data for the Northern Burmese Gerbil too?
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There are many reasons.
Yeah they can't fly, why they lost. (apart from Russia). :D
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Yeah they can't fly, why they lost. (apart from Russia). :D
:rofl :aok
EDIT: Your remark brought back to my mind one of the funniest quotes I've read on this BBS:
I see the same pattern today. Nearly all of the players I've met who hail from Axis countries fly with a "stay alive" mentality, always careful about their virtual life. They don't care that their method of playing is only fun for them and not for everyone else, just like the real Nazi fighter pilots.
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It is illogical and completely foolish to fly into the middle of a furball. Germans do not do illogical and foolish :D
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Proportionately we would be 15% then as in 1 in 5. Do you think we have that many?
My squad has 2. (I am not letting you know who the other one is :lol). Thats one in 15 ;)
Its along time since ive seen a brit whos not with you or the 71st and I am looking for them.
shame on you.. we have 3 !!!
(assuming you mean non-american members)
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and if you didn't notice, yarbles, i'm a brit too. :) $15 dollars is nothing, minimum hourly wage is $11, i think 1.5hrs of work for a month of AH isn't a bad deal at all.
Are you back flying in AH again, furby?
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Why limit it to the English speaking world? With the current Euro/Dollar exchange rate, for the 9.50 euros I spend on this game a month I couldn't get two pints at the pub...
But the Finns are over-represented. What's up with that?
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'Cos there's nothing else to DO in Finland :aok
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'Cos there's nothing else to DO in Finland :aok
Motorcycling is all year around no matter where you live. All you need is spikes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJJn3m9WWZA&feature=related
I would find plenty to do in Finland, Winter is Ice Speedway then Autumn,Spring,Summer great expanses of forrests and tundra for dirt/adv riding.
:D
<S>...-Gixer
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According to the US Census bureau, 301,139,907 persons reside in the United states as of July 1997. More than the rest of the English speaking world combined!
Not quite. Total English speakers in the world is somewhere between 500 million and 1.8 billion, depending on what level of literacy/fluency you choose.
US has around 260m English speakers.
EU has around 230m English speakers.
India around 90m.
Many others under 100m.
Wikipedia has a list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population).
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India is the largest english speaking nation
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HTC advertises here.
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I think it has lot to do with just more folks in the US liking on-line war sims (i.e., cultural of a sort). It's not just propensity for on-line gaming, either -- it's the type of on-line gaming, too. For example, lots of South Koreans play on-line games, but I don't think we have many South Koreans playing AH. There are more US players in WWIIOL, Battlefield 1942, etc.
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I think it has lot to do with just more folks in the US liking on-line war sims (i.e., cultural of a sort). It's not just propensity for on-line gaming, either -- it's the type of on-line gaming, too. For example, lots of South Koreans play on-line games, but I don't think we have many South Koreans playing AH. There are more US players in WWIIOL, Battlefield 1942, etc.
THis too. I agree with Brooke. American's love violent video games perhaps more than other countries.
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American's are arguably more prone to violence than other countries.
That's a crappy thing to say!
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That's a crappy thing to say!
Its true though. Americans like violent video games. Thats what I meant to prone to violence. Perhaps I should edit that..
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THis too. I agree with Brooke. American's are arguably more prone to violence than other countries.
There is no such thing as a violent video game, I have never drawn a single drop of blood in a game. And in AHII, you aren't even shooting at another human-shaped pixel, it is machine against machine. Well, except for chutes and paratroopers, and they are mostly just dots.
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No, too many Americans are apathetic, tamed, and prone to putting up with ANYTHING rather than taking the slightest legal/physical risk. A dirtbag could probably walk up the average middle-class American male and call his wife a (insert filthy word here) and stand a good chance of not being hospitalized. This is a fact I report with sadness and shame. And this apathy extends to putting up with a minority of the population from who we get most of our violence and criminality (both on the street and in government.)
Look at my edited post above. I didn't mean to have it posted it in the context you're taking it in.
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Its true though. Americans like violent video games. Thats what I meant to prone to violence. Perhaps I should edit that..
You should! Because that is just crap!
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That's a crappy thing to say!
Better say more militaristic.
Germany has a fundamentally different outlook on military themes & issues.
For example, there are no such shows like "dogfights" in Germany. Neither any other shows about any war "heroes".
Only very few documentaries about today's German military and they are very different from American ones (almost completely devoid of any patriotism).
A game equivalent to "Americas Army" produced by the Bundeswehr would result in a public political outrage.
Documentaries on WWII are much more likely to concentrate (or trying to, quality isn't guaranteed ;) ) on true history instead of telling rather simple tales of battles and courage. And of course there is a good reason for that.
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usa has 2.53 times as many people as all four.
And still a whole lot more room than most.
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You should! Because that is just crap!
Don't worry, it was an honest mistake. It's edited- once again I meant violent video games, not violence in general. I'm American too so yes I know how offensive you can take that.
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Better say more militaristic.
Documentaries on WWII are much more likely to concentrate (or trying to, quality isn't guaranteed ;) ) on true history instead of telling rather simple tales of battles and courage. And of course there is a good reason for that.
This is one of my buttons, regarding how history is presented and over-intellectualized...the simple experience of an individual who was there IS "true history"...often more so than an attempt at a broad and over-intellectualized overview, often by an individual with a theory to peg everything into.
And the experiences of A. Galland are just as valid and interesting as that of B. Anderson. Something wierd: I'm an American. I had relatives killed fighting with Germans. Yet many times I feel like I have less ill will towards the German people in general and old German soldiers in particular than, well, the Germans themselves.
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I have never drawn a single drop of blood in a game.
You just aren't getting into it enough! :) (I must have at some point, through overzealousness, drawn a drop of my own blood.)
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This is one of my buttons, regarding how history is presented and over-intellectualized...the simple experience of an individual who was there IS "true history"...often more so than an attempt at a broad and over-intellectualized overview, often by an individual with a theory to peg everything into.
This isn't exactly what I meant, but that's another discussion more suited to Oclub ;)
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I found AH11 completely by accident, googling for something along WW2 aircraft, there's no advertising for AH11 in Oz and the site is stumbled upon. It's only when you get into it that you realise most are from the U.S.. It's quite a surprise to find other Aussies on line -easily recognised by our ability to appear not to give a @#$% and seriously make fun of ourselves. From chatter I would think a more relevant question would be the demographic spread of your USA combatants. Most crew are from the southern belt from Texas eastwards - I hardly ever hear Californians or north east coast accents - is that taken into account?
That's all irrelevant for 2 reasons.
Just as you can wing a 109 with a typhoon country of origin is meaningless.
At rookland we now have ltmanny who will lead us to victory
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From chatter I would think a more relevant question would be the demographic spread of your USA combatants. Most crew are from the southern belt from Texas eastwards - I hardly ever hear Californians or north east coast accents - is that taken into account?
That's all irrelevant for 2 reasons.
I started a squad last year. Of 7 of us at the time we were from Florida (2), Connecticut, Ohio, Minnesota, Arizona and Idaho. That's pretty geographically spread out. Don't forget, almost 2/3 of the country lives east of the Mississippi.
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Better say more militaristic.
Germany has a fundamentally different outlook on military themes & issues.
For example, there are no such shows like "dogfights" in Germany. Neither any other shows about any war "heroes".
Only very few documentaries about today's German military and they are very different from American ones (almost completely devoid of any patriotism).
A game equivalent to "Americas Army" produced by the Bundeswehr would result in a public political outrage.
Documentaries on WWII are much more likely to concentrate (or trying to, quality isn't guaranteed ;) ) on true history instead of telling rather simple tales of battles and courage. And of course there is a good reason for that.
That's a damn shame. After reading some of the stories I've read in a few books lately Germany should be very proud of their fighter pilots.
(I say fighter pilots only because that's the area I've been reading about in particular)
Sure, Nazism wasn't so great... but it's easy to draw a line between the political and the brave young men and kids placing themselves between their families und die dicke autos.
Alas, I digress. Nevermind.
:salute
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Motorcycling is all year around no matter where you live. All you need is spikes.
I would find plenty to do in Finland, Winter is Ice Speedway then Autumn,Spring,Summer great expanses of forrests and tundra for dirt/adv riding.
:D
<S>...-Gixer
My recent ride. Pic taken today. :aok
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/mipoikel/SG0AA03ZXAI/AAAAAAAACLM/rT4wtFlG22o/s800/_DSC3166.JPG)
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nothing...
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I only got into the game after visiting TalonII while working in Texas, had never heard of it back in the UK.
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My recent ride. Pic taken today. :aok
Nice! You should have moved the motorcycle out of the way, though, so that we could see it better. (Just kidding -- very nice.)
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My recent ride. Pic taken today. :aok
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/mipoikel/SG0AA03ZXAI/AAAAAAAACLM/rT4wtFlG22o/s800/_DSC3166.JPG)
On ya! Enjoy the ride mate. :aok
<S>...-Gixer
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$15 is alot to us Americas or to the rest of the world? I cannot even drive 50 miles on $15 anymore, makes this game seen like a no brain-er! :aok
Buy a reasonbly sized diesel.
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Buy a reasonbly sized diesel.
Even better buy a motorbike!
<S>...-Gixer
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Better say more militaristic.
Germany has a fundamentally different outlook on military themes & issues.
For example, there are no such shows like "dogfights" in Germany. Neither any other shows about any war "heroes".
Only very few documentaries about today's German military and they are very different from American ones (almost completely devoid of any patriotism).
A game equivalent to "Americas Army" produced by the Bundeswehr would result in a public political outrage.
Documentaries on WWII are much more likely to concentrate (or trying to, quality isn't guaranteed ;) ) on true history instead of telling rather simple tales of battles and courage. And of course there is a good reason for that.
Yea the reason that once you german ppl get patriotic and after a little beer or 2 you're trying to roll over the rest of europe!
p.s (this is said tongue in cheek - DONT take offence to it)
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Are other countries well-represented in other massive online multiplayer games, say like World of Warcraft?
Always wondered about that.
If they're poorly represented in other games, well then I guess it's cultural or something.
Europe and Asia has a HUGE playerbase that plays WOW and other online games. I dont know a kid that isnt involved in some sort of online game. I know there are many in AH too.
Also when yall are talking about the English speaking world then you forget the millions who learns english in school or elsewere. Add those and the numbers would go well past the US population.
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Europe and Asia has a HUGE playerbase that plays WOW and other online games. I dont know a kid that isnt involved in some sort of online game. I know there are many in AH too.
Also when yall are talking about the English speaking world then you forget the millions who learns english in school or elsewere. Add those and the numbers would go well past the US population.
Och vi måste läsa svenska också... :cry :cry
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If you guys are so bothered by playing with Americans, there is nothing stopping you
from creating your own flight sim, or using word of mouth to advertise AH.
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Not bothered at all, and i have recomended the game the game to all i can get interested.
Thing is that only a small % of players around the world is interested in this kind of game. A small % in places like the US would still amount to large numbers, but in a country the size of mine the number of players even if it is the same in % will ammount to very few players. Advertising here would not pay off at all. You would get a few 100 players at best but advertising for them would cost decades worth of 15$.
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Och vi måste läsa svenska också... :cry :cry
Det kan bara vara nyttigt :aok
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I'm old and maybe missed something?? Just what n hell was/is the point of this post? Shoot, it's an American Flight Sim game, born an' bred in America, by Americans with it's HQ in America, advertised and played mostly by AMERICANS. Who else?
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I'm old and maybe missed something?? Just what n hell was/is the point of this post? Shoot, it's an American Flight Sim game, born an' bred in America, by Americans with it's HQ in America, advertised and played mostly by AMERICANS. Who else?
AMERICANS from N or S? :)
Coca-cola, Ford cars, Mac computers, Motorola phones born an' bred in USA and sold around the world mate. Today business and marketing are global.
<S> and happy 4th july.
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Yea the reason that once you german ppl get patriotic and after a little beer or 2 you're trying to roll over the rest of europe!
p.s (this is said tongue in cheek - DONT take offence to it)
I can't listen to that much Wagner. I start getting the urge to conquer Poland.
Woody Allen aka Lusche :lol
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Man, some folks are really touchy. Why is that? No one here has expressed any negative feelings toward Americans playing. The original post was just wondering about the demographics. It is an interesting question. This game is not advertised heavily anywhere, US included. So it is interesting to consider why more Americans play. It doesn't matter where the game was invented or where it is hosted. Battlefield 1942, for example, was written by Scandanavians, and still it has a lot more Americans playing it than from other countries. Also, as noted, there are *a lot* of Asians who play online gaming (like South Koreans), including US-invented, US-hosted games (like WoW). In that case of AH, there must be some sort of predisposition toward it here that is not as strongly present elsewhere.
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Hmmm I work for a automotive company that has their home office in Japan, we build millions and millions of cars and light SUV/SUTs every year for almost every nation. The US is the number one consumer market, not saying that AH is anything like a car, but perhaps it is the volume of people in the market.
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Man, some folks are really touchy. Why is that? No one here has expressed any negative feelings toward Americans playing. The original post was just wondering about the demographics. It is an interesting question. This game is not advertised heavily anywhere, US included. So it is interesting to consider why more Americans play. It doesn't matter where the game was invented or where it is hosted. Battlefield 1942, for example, was written by Scandanavians, and still it has a lot more Americans playing it than from other countries. Also, as noted, there are *a lot* of Asians who play online gaming (like South Koreans), including US-invented, US-hosted games (like WoW). In that case of AH, there must be some sort of predisposition toward it here that is not as strongly present elsewhere.
Not touchy, just doesn't seem to me to be hard to figure, (see post above). And yes, many things are made here and sold around the world, so what? Wasn't tryin' to be "touchy" or give that impression. It just seemed to me to be a no brainer. But again, I'm old and maybe missed sumpin. :)
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how many people here would name their pet mouse "yarbles" ?
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Go read some of the threads in the OT forum. It's at least one plausible answer for why more of the world doesn't participate. :uhoh
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If you guys are so bothered by playing with Americans, there is nothing stopping you
from creating your own flight sim, or using word of mouth to advertise AH.
No no no.. who could we shoot down then, if not teh Amerikans ;)