Go Zhang!

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Raptor
Thomas McGuire attempting to clear his wingman's 6.
Randy Cuningham turned back to help his wingman who was incircled, he didn't think he would even get out alive if he turned back but he did anyway.

It comes down to personality of the fighter pilot. If you can live with letting your wingman die, then you will think about your life above others.

Exactly, life was more important. Their lives, their wingmens' lives. The mission was secondary.

Oh don't get me wrong it was important, but if flight of P47s was completely loaded down and bounced, they'd drop their ord, and get the hell out of there (usually back to base). Even today it's common for naval jets to pickle all their ord the split second they're off the carrier deck if they think something's wrong.

Pilots in ww2 regularly disengaged and fled if the enemy was in a superior position. Yes I know there are instances where a few attacked many, but there are more cases where entire flights disengaged rather than lose the fight.

[uptown]

And so goes the adage "LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY'

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Krusty
Exactly, life was more important. Their lives, their wingmens' lives. The mission was secondary.

 

The mission is always #1, everything else is secondary.

ack-ack

[Krusty]

Oh, really? I've read that entire squads on fighter sweeps over the channel bugged out when attacked by 109s in higher positions. Similarly, LW planes would disengage if taken by surprise.

The mission WAS important. I don't argue that. However, given the choice of returning to base with 100% of your pilots' lives intact and losing many of them, I think most would try to "live to fight another day".

[Mace2004]

Both you guys are right.  All missions were not equal.  A fighter sweep set up just to attrite enemy fighters is different than an escort mission where you're protecting bombers.  You're willingness to accept risk is based on the operational necessity of the mission.  

This is one of the most difficult things for commanders, mission commanders, strike leads, flight leads, and individual pilots to decide....when is the potential loss worth the potential gains?  It's impossible to encapsulate this seemingly simple question into a single response that applies to an entire world war.

Mace

[QQSaint]

Originally posted by Oleg
In Real Combat survival is not main goal. You have orders

But you got to survived first to make your goal. In this case you can call Zhang's carring his hunting job effectively all because he has the order to keep survived and kill.  

Fighter who thinks about his own survival in combat in first place is not a fighter but coward.

That's not true. If one say he's not scare when he's  being shooting by someone in a real world in the sky. He's not brave but only no brain for sure.
 
There's no coward but only survivers and hero left to tell the war story.  
 

But AH is not real combat, its a game.

That's one of the opinion to treated this game like a game . But maybe there's different kinds of fun that try to score down how far you can keep yourself alive, keep hunting, and still have some nice kill.

[QQSaint]

Originally posted by kamilyun
Zhang = Monoboss = Metavoss?

No, Zhang=Co.

He's a real quiet gentleman and  enjoy his quiet fly in Aces High, also his peaceful hunting.

He's once my squadmate long time ago.

[LUCIFER-2002]

Tour 84 Fighter Scores for ZHANG
________________________Score ______rank
Kills per Death + 1 ________112.75______ 1
Kills per Sortie ____________2.15 _______153
Kills per Hour of Flight ______5.51_______1009
Kills Hit Percentage _______18.81_______ 22
Kill Points _______________157978.05___ 4


Great K/D here~

[Benny Moore]

Nazi fighter pilots had a drastically different attitude about bomber escort than those of other countries American fighter pilots.  I remember the account of a German bomber crewman who complained that their escorts would often coldly watch from a high altitude as the bombers were attacked, only swooping down if the situation was advantageous.  They only cared about themselves.  On the other hand, American and British fighter pilots usually accepted terrible risks to protect their bombers.

I see the same pattern today.  Nearly all of the players I've met who hail from Axis countries fly with a "stay alive" mentality, always careful about their virtual life.  They don't care that their method of playing is only fun for them and not for everyone else, just like the real Nazi fighter pilots.

[trotter]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
I see the same pattern today.  Nearly all of the players I've met who hail from Axis countries fly with a "stay alive" mentality, always careful about their virtual life.  They don't care that their method of playing is only fun for them and not for everyone else, just like the real Nazi fighter pilots.

To compare any AH gamers to actual WWII pilots is a little wacky, let alone trying to ascribe undocumented "historical" characteristics to a particular player base.

[killnu]

They don't care that their method of playing is only fun for them and not for everyone else, just like the real Nazi fighter pilots.

What a retarded statement.

[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by Benny Moore

I see the same pattern today.  Nearly all of the players I've met who hail from Axis countries fly with a "stay alive" mentality, always careful about their virtual life.  They don't care that their method of playing is only fun for them and not for everyone else, just like the real Nazi fighter pilots.

Benny puts his foot in his mouth so often he has shoe racks in there.... jeez !

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
I see the same pattern today.  Nearly all of the players I've met who hail from Axis countries fly with a "stay alive" mentality, always careful about their virtual life.  They don't care that their method of playing is only fun for them and not for everyone else, just like the real Nazi fighter pilots.

Anybody care to tell Benny that WWII has ended more than 60 years ago?

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by FX1
102 Kd in fighter! Looks like shawks record is going to go down this camp. Only problem is that he has 3 ditches and shawk had 0. I dont really count that so lets see if he can keep it up.

What is shawk's record?

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
Nazi fighter pilots had a drastically different attitude about bomber escort than those of other countries American fighter pilots.  I remember the account of a German bomber crewman who complained that their escorts would often coldly watch from a high altitude as the bombers were attacked, only swooping down if the situation was advantageous.  They only cared about themselves.  On the other hand, American and British fighter pilots usually accepted terrible risks to protect their bombers.

I see the same pattern today.  Nearly all of the players I've met who hail from Axis countries fly with a "stay alive" mentality, always careful about their virtual life.  They don't care that their method of playing is only fun for them and not for everyone else, just like the real Nazi fighter pilots.

WTH?