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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: croduh on July 06, 2008, 06:43:34 AM
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Wind tunnel?Museum (doubt because of people in white suits)?Testing facility?
(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9797/planefacttl9.jpg)
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It's indeed a wind tunnel. It's a research facility, the "Luftfahrtforschungsanstalt Hermann Göring" in Völkenrode near Brunswick. That facility was built in 1935 and ended operations in 1945. After the war the compounds hosted an agricultural research facility, the "Bundesforschungsanstalt für Landwirtschaft Braunschweig-Völkenrode" and the "Die Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt", the national institute for natural and engineering sciences, particulary meteorolgy.
The facility had three tunnels, A1 (completed 1937) had a diameter of 2.5 -3m, A2 (completed 1939 but only operational from 1942 on) was a high speed wind tunnel for testing parts and models of rockets, missiles & jets, and the giant A3 (depicted above, completed 1940) with 8m diameter and speeds up to 350 km/h.
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Thanks Lusche!
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That looks like a 109 B or C?
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That looks like a 109 B or C?
It is an early model B109E as the B/C had a much deeper oil cooler/radiator and no wing radiators. The B/Cs had 2 bladed props while the 109 in the pic has a 3 bladed prop.
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Looks to be a Bf.109E-3. Wing barrels look a bit thick to be MG17's, which IIRC the E-1 and E-2 had. Also has the lumps in the wings for the receiver/ammunition drum, definitely looks like MG/FF's. And it's not an E-4 or E-7, the canopy is different.
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It's indeed a wind tunnel. It's a research facility, the "Luftfahrtforschungsanstalt Hermann Göring" in Völkenrode near Brunswick. That facility was built in 1935 and ended operations in 1945. After the war the compounds hosted an agricultural research facility, the "Bundesforschungsanstalt für Landwirtschaft Braunschweig-Völkenrode" and the "Die Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt", the national institute for natural and engineering sciences, particulary meteorolgy.
The facility had three tunnels, A1 (completed 1937) had a diameter of 2.5 -3m, A2 (completed 1939 but only operational from 1942 on) was a high speed wind tunnel for testing parts and models of rockets, missiles & jets, and the giant A3 (depicted above, completed 1940) with 8m diameter and speeds up to 350 km/h.
Mostly correct; the US forces took LFA on April 1945 and many of key scientists were transfered to USA. However, the Brits took over the LFA summer 1945 and the remaining organisation continued under British controll as MAP Volkenrode; they translated German research material to english and some test facilities were disassembled and sent to GB.
Edit: Forgot to add that there were more than three tunnels, at least up to A9 but some of these were small.
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Found another photo in 'Messerschmitt Bf109A-E', pg 125. It is an E-3 according to the caption. Part of the code on the fuselage is looks like IGKS
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Found another photo in 'Messerschmitt Bf109A-E', pg 125. It is an E-3 according to the caption. Part of the code on the fuselage is looks like IGKS
Woot :)
The tail code says WE IGKS
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In indiana jones, those 109's that chase indy and his father, what versions of 109s are they?
Sorry for the hijack, thank you.
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In indiana jones, those 109's that chase indy and his father, what versions of 109s are they?
Sorry for the hijack, thank you.
Look again. Those aren't 109s in that movie :)
Another angle
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/109.jpg)
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In indiana jones, those 109's that chase indy and his father, what versions of 109s are they?
Sorry for the hijack, thank you.
Those weren't 109's - they were Messerschmitt Bf.108 TAIFUN's (Typhoon) - a 4 seater communication & liaison aircraft.
(http://www.militaryaircraft.de/pictures/civilian/aircraft/Bf-108/Bf-108_2007-09-WTD61_0488_800.jpg)
(http://www.militaryaircraft.de/pictures/civilian/aircraft/Bf-108/Bf-108_2007-09-WTD61_0333_800.jpg)
See the difference between the Bf.109 (top) & the Bf.108.
(http://www.militaryaircraft.de/pictures/military/aircraft/Bf-109/Bf-109_Me-108_2007-09-WTD61_0463_800.jpg)
:salute
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Look again. Those aren't 109s in that movie :)
Another angle
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/109.jpg)
109Dora?
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109Dora?
:huh
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:huh
109D.
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Look back in this thread about 4 posts Angels. :D
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Bf109D
(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Alfarrabista/3270.jpg)
Bf109E
(http://www.warbirds.jp/crazy/images/jpeg/mf04_03.jpg)
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Those weren't 109's - they were Messerschmitt Bf.108 TAIFUN's (Typhoon) - a 4 seater communication & liaison aircraft.
(http://www.militaryaircraft.de/pictures/civilian/aircraft/Bf-108/Bf-108_2007-09-WTD61_0488_800.jpg)
(http://www.militaryaircraft.de/pictures/civilian/aircraft/Bf-108/Bf-108_2007-09-WTD61_0333_800.jpg)
See the difference between the Bf.109 (top) & the Bf.108.
(http://www.militaryaircraft.de/pictures/military/aircraft/Bf-109/Bf-109_Me-108_2007-09-WTD61_0463_800.jpg)
:salute
Actually not 108s but Pilatus P-2's
108s filled in for 190s in the Longest Day.
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109Dora?
We already confirmed that it was a Bf.109E-3...
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Actually not 108s but Pilatus P-2's
Same Varmint - just made in Switzerland. ;)
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Same Varmint - just made in Switzerland. ;)
Oh no there not! :)
108 is a side by side cockpit. P2 is front and back. Different bird altogether :)
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Oh no there not! :)
108 is a side by side cockpit. P2 is front and back. Different bird altogether :)
The aircraft pictured have side by side cockpits :noid
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The aircraft pictured have side by side cockpits :noid
The '109s" from Indy Jones were P2s
(http://www.airteamimages.com/pics/30/30514_big.jpg)
The 109s from the Longest Day were Me 108s
(http://www.powerglidertaifun.de/Taifun_1940/Me108_Taifun.jpg)
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Oh no there not! :)
108 is a side by side cockpit. P2 is front and back. Different bird altogether :)
For sure Dan.
Pilatus P-2
(http://www.ampa.ch/images/p2.JPG)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Pilatus_P-2_Swiss_Air_Force.jpg)
phony 109
(http://phlairline.com/ency_p/Pilatus_P-2.jpg)
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The aircraft in Indiana Jones (3rd Movie) were Arado ar96 trainers, I believe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arado_Ar_96
Although these Pilatius aircraft look pretty similar at the casual glance. You could convince me!
bf108 Taifuns were used in The Longest Day and Von Ryan's Express as bf109 stand-in's.
All my opinion of course.
Raider
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See, now why can't we have 23 pages threads on cool stuff like this rather than a squeak off about who DA'd who to death? Focus is way off.
Awesome posts guys, it's always impressive to see how deep the knowledge pool is in this community. :aok
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bf108 Taifuns were used in Von Ryan's Express as bf109 stand-in's.
All my opinion of course.
Raider
Maybe this is what I was thinking of. :rolleyes:
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The aircraft in Indiana Jones (3rd Movie) were Arado ar96 trainers, I believe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arado_Ar_96
Although these Pilatius aircraft look pretty similar at the casual glance. You could convince me!
bf108 Taifuns were used in The Longest Day and Von Ryan's Express as bf109 stand-in's.
All my opinion of course.
Raider
Go watch again :)
The rear of the cockpit was the giveaway for me. Not an Arado although it would be an easy mistake to make
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Go watch again :)
The rear of the cockpit was the giveaway for me. Not an Arado although it would be an easy mistake to make
Yep. The canopy is a serious distinction. I looked at some other photographs of the Arado and it has the distinctive Arado vertical stabilizer and rudder shape which of course in not present in the movie.
It's pretty close to the P2 from the spinner to the windscreen tho! :D
Nice ID on that one Guppy!
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defenetally a wind tunnel