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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Chemdawg on July 09, 2008, 02:58:22 PM
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Okay....I REALLY dont want to stir up any issues, buuuuuttt......
I have posted this issue before and had alot of opinions posted but no answers. I get some time to fly during the daytime when I am on leave. I enjoy the game and the goal oriented play and can't wait to get on the 'puter. However, it has been stated that I have been milkrunning. I dont care what other people think of me. I believe in following the rules. So, once and for all.........am I allowed to fly when I am on alone, in the arena, unopposed?
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No.
"6. Any player(s) found to be using an empty arena to advance their war effort without opposition is an offense"
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Thank you. :aok
It was stated before the first round that as long as it was not a coordinated effort it was not against the rules. That is the ROE that I have been flying with since the beginning. This statement is obviously in my defense so, my apologies to all for having broken the rule and it wil not happen any more.
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LOL
Why does it even matter what ever you take down will be back up soon anyhow.
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No matter how you rationalize it you're not above the rules.
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Yes you are right but there is usually a bit a truth in any rationalization. That why they seem to make sense to the one doing it and sometimes to others.
Just speaking in general terms now.
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flatiron, what you take down today unopposed will not be available to our side during prime-time.
Thank you for following the rules chemdawg. :aok Fwiw, until recently I was in the same situation and unable to fly during prime-time hours.
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I am going to quote Mr. Fork from an post on 6-8-08 entitled BOA player conduct expectations. Maybe this needs further clarification/ What I am looking for is a solution.
"Quote from: Damionte on June 08, 2008, 10:17:28 AM
Questions for number 5.
Is this meant to squash large off peak hour raids, or knock out the more casual off peak players.
Personally I am often on at off peak hours. I'll come into the Ava and find maybe 2-3 people in there. Usually 2-3v1-s for one side or the other.
If one side launches a mission and the other side logs off, does that mission then have to turn around and land?
Good question Damionte. Rule 5 is meant to stop 5-10 players coordinating and sticking to one side to pummel their vacant opponent in an organized fashion - what we consider unreasonable player conduct. 2-3 players, is reasonable. Conversely, side CO are expected to defend their territories - war doesn't sleep and if they have players from a variety of time zones, the could coordinate their times in the arena. It all goes down to what is reasonable.
If a side logs as you're in the middle of a coordinated attack, the attack continues. It again goes back to what is reasonable. Sized are expected to defend their resources."
Hope this answers your question.
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Hence the addition of Rule #6. :salute
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6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com.
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Speaking as a Staffer here, not a player.
Gonna go out on a limb here and enlighten some of the guys on the Allied side about something. The vast majority of the Axis side does not give a flying hoot about "Winning the War". They want to have fun, action packed nights, in a growing arena. Not mindless furballing, but organized fun. When the Allies milk, unnopposed every day ( and you know I have seen it) (thus take away), the tools for this action packed fun, the axis guys simply go fly somewhere else. Please try to act mature and think before you "Up a squadron of Jeeps" for a diversion. Now I know a certain allied squad brings these gamey, lame, fun destroying tactics to the allied side. Please think for yourselves.
You all need to look toward the Veteran players on your side, if you think anything I am saying is not right in the bullseye. Do you really find worth in congratulating eachother on unopposed accomplishments? I do hope not.
As a staffer, I implore you all to look at the bigger picture. That being the healthy growth of the AvA Arena, as a fun, action packed historically based Arena of play. Send the gamers back to early war, or better yet, midwar.
<Salute>
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6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com.
:huh I hope your not being a smart arse there.
This Rule # 6.
During the BOA, we expect all conduct to be fair, respectful, and reasonable.
Fair Play Rules
1. We ask that all players be respectful to one another in the Arena and on the BBS forums.
2. There is 0-Tolerance to any kind of smack-talk or taunting on any open channel or on the BBS.
3. There is 0-Tolerance to complaints about HO's, vulching, or 'unfair gameplay' that is disrespectful to other players on any open channel.
4. Three-strike offense system. First offense is a warn. Second is a mute. Third we ask you to leave. If the player refuses, we eject.
5. Players who reach the point of having 3 strikes will be banned from the arena for an indefinite period of time.*
6. Any player(s) found to be using an empty arena to advance their war effort without opposition is an offense - see rule 4.
Our intent is to trust everyone to be reasonable and respectful to one another. Break that trust, you will be asked to leave the arena. Any player that has an issue when a Staffer is not online, please use the built-in .complain feature to report it to HTC support. If you have screenshots of an incident please send them to an AvA Staffer, do not try and handle it via the forums.
*Please note: A player does not have to reach 3 strikes for action to be taken. Appeals to a ban will be heard on a case by case basis.
So stick to having fun so no one has to mess with any of this sort of nonsense.
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whoops wrong set of rules but the one I posted does seem to apply in this case. sorry and i will ignore that smart ---- statement.
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Right flatiron. So which forum rule was broken that caused someone else to act as a back-seat moderator?
1- Posts are to be made in the relevant forum. Users are asked to read the forum descriptions before posting.
2- Threads should remain on topic, do not "hijack" topics.
3- Do not open a new thread that duplicates a current topic.
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
None of them.
We can tell you all we want about the rules of the ava without being moderators.
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Flat, your reply to the one irrelevent and erroneous part of this whole thread, while ignoring the multitude of important issues I brought up, does not bode well for someone supposedly interested in helping the Arena. Folks need to lose the Axis VRS Allies mindset and grow up and look at the bigger picture, which I attempted to outline (though ignored) above.
BTW..there was no Forum rule #6 infractions in this thread.
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Right flatiron. So which forum rule was broken that caused someone else to act as a back-seat moderator?None of them.
We can tell you all we want about the rules of the ava without being moderators.
beats me, when I logged in their was a allied and axis on so I figured it was ok to fly, then got called out as a milker right after I took off and no I don't have it on film. maybe I need to detune 200 again.
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Flat you are still confusing forum posting Rules with AvA conduct rules.
This thread is done, or should have been.
Chem asked a question.
Bubi, and I answered it. Both sides recieved the updated conduct rules. They are pretty specific with very little room for interpretations.
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That can be explained. I logged in to check the ords at A28 and saw chemdawg milking. You just showed up at the wrong time; I was never in the air. Sorry if I was a little harsh.
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thats ok I hopefully am done here. Stampf if you wish to discuss this further you can respond to the PM I sent you Over/Out.
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Reply sent. :salute
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Ummmm,
I think they are more like guidelines :D OH, nevermind, that was the Pirate's Code of Honor. :devil
I must admit Stampf, that I must turn myself in for violation of Rule #6 as stated. During the last round, I made it my duty to make at least one supply run a day.
Like others with limited cpu time. I fly when I can. I made no attacks on enemy targets but I did advance our war effort by contributing to the repair of our bases. As one who had lobbied heavily for this feature. This is how I invisioned it would work: Off peak hours, without opposition players assume the roll of preparing for the next battle. That would include base resupply and other discovery type missions (not changing sides). Chemdawg came along with me and a few others on the resupply runs. It was somewhat rewarding to see the fires in Refineries go out. If some opposition logged on then we were free to engage as were they. This is totally new to the AHII community and MOTD should state this maybe a little more clearly.
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This is the funniest thread ever. :lol
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Ummmm,
I think they are more like guidelines :D OH, nevermind, that was the Pirate's Code of Honor. :devil
I must admit Stampf, that I must turn myself in for violation of Rule #6 as stated. During the last round, I made it my duty to make at least one supply run a day.
Like others with limited cpu time. I fly when I can. I made no attacks on enemy targets but I did advance our war effort by contributing to the repair of our bases. As one who had lobbied heavily for this feature. This is how I invisioned it would work: Off peak hours, without opposition players assume the roll of preparing for the next battle. That would include base resupply and other discovery type missions (not changing sides). Chemdawg came along with me and a few others on the resupply runs. It was somewhat rewarding to see the fires in Refineries go out. If some opposition logged on then we were free to engage as were they. This is totally new to the AHII community and MOTD should state this maybe a little more clearly.
Chilli,
While supply runs may indeed furthur the effort of a side, they do not take away from the other sides ability to play the game to the fullest. We are working on a more inclusive MOTD.
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That can be explained. I logged in to check the ords at A28 and saw chemdawg milking. You just showed up at the wrong time; I was never in the air. Sorry if I was a little harsh.
From another perspective, the "win" criteria vs obstacles like number of strats, equipment costs and field to target distances, shifted tactics away from battles and onto raids. Still fun was most definitely had especially during the first round. The Axis forces pinched the Allies pretty good in the first round. Faced with the same fields and less equipment, Allies upped the importance on flattening anything Axis. Take away the "win" factor and I believe you wouldn't have considered what Chemdawg was doing as milking.
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Chilli,
While supply runs may indeed furthur the effort of a side, they do not take away from the other sides ability to play the game to the fullest. We are working on a more inclusive MOTD.
:aok Understood, I agree 100% and am not for taking away from Axis fun (except only when they have too much of it making my hide a lead magnet). :salute
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Dang it!! :rofl Is there any way of locking this thread. I posed a straight forward question and wanted it visible for all to see. That way anyone else who was under the same assumption I was did not make the same mistake. Thats why Drill Sergeants yell at you in the masses and not alone, so that you, as a group are learning the rules and the Drills dont have to keep teaching the same rule over and over to each and everyone.
Now I know a certain allied squad brings these gamey, lame, fun destroying tactics to the allied side. Please think for yourselves.
Please sir, tell me your not speaking of the Avengers as lame AND holding a staff position. Even if you aren't speaking of the Avengers aren't you supposed to be unbiased or am I wrong in this? I understand that you have flown Axis, and I can understand , but I believe if you are in a position of authority, your favoritism can no longer come into play.
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Things will get out of hand Chem, yes. :rolleyes:
No, not the Avengers. The Avengers have brought alot of good things to the Arena. Also, what I stated and how I stated it is completely in line with my position as Staff. If an Axis squad was engaged in activities that the Staff saw as degrading to the arena and the community of players, I would not hesitate to bring that to light as well sir. In fact, I framed my post as coming from Staff for just that reason.
Thanks for bringing your question to the bbs. I hope it was (through the maze) answered for you. :aok
P.S. Hopefully the Axis guys can get some more numbers, as they have been very badly outnumbered the last couple weeks (at least when I am online), so that I can up some sorties with the 'good guys', and shoot down some of those tater tards. :)
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I think this is being taken to the extream, I also read what Mr Fork had to say about this subject in the beginning and the key word was "Reasonable". During the last round Stampf and myself often found ourselves the only two on in the early AM ( my time), he hitting his strats , me hitting mine, sometimes we would engage, sometimes not, sometimes he was first on , sometimes me. The point is that SOMEONE has to be the first to log on. What ? are we just all going to sit on the side lines till someone calls "OK 1-2-3 start". Someone whining about someone milking is just BS in my opinion, , if you log on and see strats being hit then up a fighter and do something about it, the other player will most likely be glad to have some opposition. As Mr Fork also said "War never sleeps". I thought what we were trying to achieve here was to expand the player base, the new guy logging on or the one drifting over from the MA gets the impression that the AvA is still just an elitists group with too many rules.
Maj OldBull
XO Avengers
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P.S. Hopefully the Axis guys can get some more numbers, as they have been very badly outnumbered the last couple weeks (at least when I am online), so that I can up some sorties with the 'good guys', and shoot down some of those tater tards. :)
Blasphemy! :)
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Blasphemy! :)
I know, but you have the benefit of "knowing" me well Bubi. Many, especially on the Allied side do not. My biggest concern upon accepting the position was my "percieved" fanatical dedication to all things Axis. You know fully my unbiased position concerning the health of the Arena.
I think this is being taken to the extream, I also read what Mr Fork had to say about this subject in the beginning and the key word was "Reasonable". During the last round Stampf and myself often found ourselves the only two on in the early AM ( my time), he hitting his strats , me hitting mine, sometimes we would engage, sometimes not, sometimes he was first on , sometimes me. The point is that SOMEONE has to be the first to log on. What ? are we just all going to sit on the side lines till someone calls "OK 1-2-3 start". Someone whining about someone milking is just BS in my opinion, , if you log on and see strats being hit then up a fighter and do something about it, the other player will most likely be glad to have some opposition. As Mr Fork also said "War never sleeps". I thought what we were trying to achieve here was to expand the player base, the new guy logging on or the one drifting over from the MA gets the impression that the AvA is still just an elitists group with too many rules.
Maj OldBull
XO Avengers
Growing pains Bull, growing pains. Ugly but inevitable for sure. "Reasonable" is the Key. Taking away the ability of one side to even play is not reasonable. Playing when you can...that's reasonable, and no one is too concerned with one or two guys making a few bombing, or supply runs in the morning. It's when the all encompassing win at all costs mentality reers it's ugly head, then the Staff needs to do something to keep the Arena breathing.
everyone needs to look at eachother as AvA Pilots. Not Axis, or Allied ones. When one is so absorbed in winning, everything that someone from the other side does, says, posts, whatever, is seen as coming from the "enemy". Their are no real enemies here, other than the ones we create ourselves. If their were no Allies, there would be no Axis, and vica versa, if you follow my thoughts here, and I know that you ( and your unit) personally do. Each side needs to police and educate their members to the importance of looking at this as a team effort.
One team, regardless of the markings on the wings.
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I may be accidentally stirring the pot here but if I log on, regardless of time, and there's nobody on is trying a one man deep penetration NOE strike against the spirit of the rules?
Serious question because I've thought about it a few times.
Staff?
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**Censored**
I understand what you are saying Stampf. It took me a minute to fully get it. A little slow on the uptake. :D
I had to change my post after realizing it. :uhoh
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Stampf said- It's when the all encompassing win at all costs mentality reers it's ugly head, then the Staff needs to do something to keep the Arena breathing.
everyone needs to look at eachother as AvA Pilots. Not Axis, or Allied ones. When one is so absorbed in winning, everything that someone from the other side does, says, posts, whatever, is seen as coming from the "enemy". Their are no real enemies here, other than the ones we create ourselves. If their were no Allies, there would be no Axis, and vica versa, if you follow my thoughts here, and I know that you ( and your unit) personally do. Each side needs to police and educate their members to the importance of looking at this as a team effort.
One team, regardless of the markings on the wings.
I don't think concern for the health of the arena could be put any better. Competition is one thing, but getting to the point where you're actually looking at your opponents as real enemies in of all things a computer game... That's where the arena will go South. The game has much more to offer than running around killing Strat targets which are the least defended targets in the game, and then crowing about it. Or communicating contempt for the guys flying other side. It's just as Stampf said if there's no Axis, there's no need for Allies, if there's no Allies, there's no need for Axis. This is the only arena that offers Axis vs Allied airframes every day, we should all do what we can to make it more fun for everybody that wants to participate in the arena.
Not just one side, not just one preference in gameplay.
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**Bowing out **
The last thing I wanted was for this to turn this way. I just wanted to clarify Rules of Engagement.
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Well put Stampf, and I concure completely.
Maj OldBull
XO Avengers
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I may be accidentally stirring the pot here but if I log on, regardless of time, and there's nobody on is trying a one man deep penetration NOE strike against the spirit of the rules?
Serious question because I've thought about it a few times.
Staff?
And a good one, that is also directly related to Chem's questions.
Look guys. Short of closing the Arena (which will not happen), on off hours, some one is always going to be the first guy on. Someone has to get the ball rolling right? I don't have a problem with a guy playing alone until others join in. I believe the Conduct Guidelines were installed to dissuade the less than upper handed actions that can take place at times. Mostly and foremost they were installed in an effort to bring the Arena out of the slums and reduce the personal attacks and intimidation of players that was taking place. To this end, it has been a huge success. Also, during weeks that regular old AvA setups are running, the "unopposed guidelines" will be moot. If no one is complaing about your actions, have at it, play the game. But let's avoid mass unnopposed operations that effectively shut down the arena for one side. No "victory" is worth anything against no opposition, right?
Also, bear with me guys as I am wading through this just like all of you. Everyone wanted a greater Staff pressence in the Arena and on the bbs. I am trying my best here to answer questions accuratly, timely, and fairly.
I suggested "supply runs" to the Axis guys who found themselves alone in the Arena. Now that's boring work, agreed. Up a Jabo, up a bomber if you want. Take things easy and move forward knowing this is a somewhat grey area when splitting hairs between one player, or two players etc...Thats really the best I can offer guys. I am attempting to offer a reasonable explanation for most circumstances. Everyone knows what constitutes gamey, lame or downright poor game play. I can't give an answer for every possible scenario. I think we all know who does what, why, when, and for what reasons. I am offering my interpretaions here. Pinning me down for a black and white blanket answer to all situations is unfair, and un realistic. I am here for everyone, both sides, and will do my best to be present, knowlegable, and fair.
BoA was a huge job for Fork, and a leap into the unknown as well. It took balls, lots of hours of work, planning, etc, and should be considered as Beta. It's not perfect, agreed, but if we all focus our collective energy toward improving things, rather than arguing every fine point, improvements will come all the more speedily, as we strive to find the formula that offers each type of player an opportunity to engage in the type of gameplay they enjoy most.
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wow stampf...for a staff member you sure put that into simple terms that even I could understand. I agree and back ya up on it all.
meandog
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Thank you mon commandant :aok
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:aok
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Said I was done but.
supply runs are great if the settings are where something will actually happen which does not seem to be the case right now.
My biggest issues is the settings. I am not talking about the weather. I am talking about resupply and down times. I would be satisfied if we could just be informed of what they are and when they are changed. We need to know ahead of each round so we can make good picks rather just guessing on what they are.
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Okay....I REALLY dont want to stir up any issues, buuuuuttt......
I have posted this issue before and had alot of opinions posted but no answers. I get some time to fly during the daytime when I am on leave. I enjoy the game and the goal oriented play and can't wait to get on the 'puter. However, it has been stated that I have been milkrunning. I dont care what other people think of me. I believe in following the rules. So, once and for all.........am I allowed to fly when I am on alone, in the arena, unopposed?
hey chemdawg, next time PM me, i monitor the boards most of the day while im working. ill sit in the tower and "oppose" you. that way you wont have any problems. i might even shoot at you with a Ack gun now and again. this way we can both have fun :aok
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Bravo, this is the manner in which issues should be discussed and resolved.
Maj OldBull
XO Avengers
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I will take stampf's post about sending them back to early war or mid as a direct statement to me and my squad. If I enter the arena, usually 7pm to midnite central........ considered PRIME time........ then you better defend your bases, or you will continue to loose them. I am playing this game to win, if it takes: taking out everyone of your bases to keep you from upping, then "Defend the Damn things... RGR". Historically correct... allies didnt wait for the axis to up before they leveled a target... might as well ask for permission to hit 600 miles out. You guys need to get a grip, quit whining because your not defending your bases, and just furballin.... The mission in AvA is to take your strats, and your abilities to fight away, and that is what I will continue to do.
Shall we converse further on this issue........................ ..........
If you think that I am the cause of all this histeria, then come out and say it. My understanding of the arena is to make way for the bomber's, I rarely hit strats, just bases;" where they can and have the ability to defend". SO what else can I do here, and others have the same question, shall I call on the furballer's from the axis to come over where I am heded from now on. I am not here to take gameplay away from the axis, but it does seem that they are missing some important strategic levels of thinking in here. So far, the axis have been pretty beat up when it comes to strategic logic, and how to apply and defend from the allies tactics the last 2 rounds. Personally, I think if the Axis where ahead, none of this BS would be on the BBS wasting more time, instead of in game defending.
Eagle
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It's 'prime time' if there are people in the arena, not just because you want it to be prime time. There are times where it's usually prime time but no one's in there- it's not really prime time in that case.
In any case, I have no clue how you could begin to call 7PM Central- 6PM Eastern- prime time. 8PM-9PM EST would be the earliest I could possibly imagine prime time being 'defined' as.
Historically correct... allies didnt wait for the axis to up before they leveled a target... might as well ask for permission to hit 600 miles out.
If you want to get into 'historically correct', I'm 99% sure allied pilots never bailed from their aircraft or simply ran them into the ground because they realized they wouldn't be able to drop their ordinance due to being intercepted, or simply because they were done dropping it.
SO what else can I do here, and others have the same question, shall I call on the furballer's from the axis to come over where I am heded from now on. I am not here to take gameplay away from the axis, but it does seem that they are missing some important strategic levels of thinking in here.
Axis furballers? This is about milking when no one is in the arena, not about... whatever you seem to think it's about.
So far, the axis have been pretty beat up when it comes to strategic logic, and how to apply and defend from the allies tactics the last 2 rounds.
Looks like someone forgot that Axis won the first round.
Personally, I think if the Axis where ahead, none of this BS would be on the BBS wasting more time, instead of in game defending.
This thread was started by an Allied player... :huh
BTW Chemdawg you did nothing wrong by starting this thread and where it has gone is not your fault :aok
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It is funny how you keep bringing up, are there anyone to defend. I guess the kills registerd are UFO's from outer space or something. Seems that we all have to argue about something... guess this will work. I never got a kill from a undefended base,but there are a few there, but yet... milking seems to be the name of the game. Seems AvA is going to have to elect STAFF'ers to the position so we can have an even number for equal representation.... SO lets gear up for a campaign to waste more time.
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I guess the kills registerd are UFO's from outer space or something.
What kills are you talking about?
Seems AvA is going to have to elect STAFF'ers to the position so we can have an even number for equal representation....
It's funny you mention that, out of the, what, 5-6 staffers there are there's only ONE who flies axis regularly. And that would be Stampf, who joined 2 weeks ago, along with another allied staffer. :lol (not a stab at Jester or the AvA staff)
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If the 'kills registered' you are talking about are the vast amount of kills SOAR supposedly has, which currently stands at 15 collectively, I just realized that's close to another number... the 15 kills that I myself have in the arena (JG11 collectively has 75) and I didn't even fly tonight, since when I logged on at 10:30 there were only 4 people in the arena.
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I don't honestly believe the war fighters and dog fighters can both be catered to with the current settings.
Problem is that you've given the war fighting crowd the tools to wage an authentic war. You've given them goals and incentive to win such a war. But you don't want them to go out and actually win a war. That's not enough fun for the losers. You've also not given the dog fighters any incentive to get involved in said war. Chasing war fighters around the map isn't really all that fun. They're better off going to the MA's or the DAA where they can find the quick fights they're looking for.
That's obviously not what you guys want them to do.
24 hour down times on the hangers is too long. It allows a hand full of pilots to completely knock out the other sides ability to fight for too long a period. A 2-4 hours downtime (before resupply) would be more appropriate. Allows a group to clear the way for an immediate raid, without knocking the other side out indefinitely.
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I personally think that if a hanger is taken down, make the the owner of the hanger work to get it up. Don't just put a timer on it... yeah if they don't resupply it... 24 hrs is fine. If they get off their lazy kiester and resupply it, then so be it 2 - 4 hrs is great. But seems like the C47 and the m3 are dirty words in here for the one's that only want to come in hear and up a fighter, and when they can't, BOOO HOOO BOOO HOOO is all ya get. 24 hrs is what is, if they set it in motion to resupply to bring time down... then yes... a little work never hurt no-one. We do it, and still get flack. The down time and the EMPTY times are what is killing this arena, and more people are asking for more down time and even closing during certain hrs. Gentleman, you want to gain people in here, not loose them when they decide to come in and there is no one in here or it is closed. Keep the latewar dweebs opinions for latewar in latewar. If they wanna have everything given to them... the MA is DAT WAY >>>>> . This arena is for the ones that want to have it like a constant squad bases setup, where when you do something it actually counts, and the TEAMWORK is here when you ask for it. Relations in here are coming together, but the bickering about same stuff over and over again because one side smacked the other is just gonna loose the effect and people will leave.
Someone said they seen storch in AvA the other day, does he have access again.... lol
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he never lost access! he only chose not to fly the AVA. he might change his mind......
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Fair Play Rules
1. We ask that all players be respectful to one another in the Arena and on the BBS forums.
2. There is 0-Tolerance to any kind of smack-talk or taunting on any open channel or on the BBS.
3. There is 0-Tolerance to complaints about HO's, vulching, or 'unfair gameplay' that is disrespectful to other players on any open channel.
4. Three-strike offense system. First offense is a warn. Second is a mute. Third we ask you to leave. If the player refuses, we eject.
5. Players who reach the point of having 3 strikes will be banned from the arena for an indefinite period of time.*
6. Any player(s) found to be using an empty arena to advance their war effort without opposition is an offense - see rule 4.
Folks:
These are the rules now. Experience shows that if you relax them - even for the best of reasons - someone will find out and then complain that the staff favors one side or the other because someone was milking the strats and wasn't stopped. The rule is clear. Perhaps it will be changed some day, but until changed it is supposed to be followed.
Now: how serious is the problem, really? Someone has to log on first, what's the poor man to do with his time? I personally used to find myself in this situation quite frequently. There are plenty of things you can do while waiting for someone to show up on the other side. Fly a new plane. Practice with the AvA bomb sight on a deserted area. Dive-bomb a windmill (or strafe a bush). Sharpen your control skills by flying inverted through your own hangers. It's make-work stuff, but usually you don't have to do it for more a few minutes before someone sees you're in there and shows up. Then you have opposition and you can do as you please.
There will be times when no one is going to show up - 3 am, that sort of thing - and this will penalize the players who can only fly during those times. For good or bad, the risk-benefit analysis has resulted in a decision that the milking problem outweighs the sacrifice of that player's time. It's a customary aspect of the AvA, in a sense, because by definition we have always limited a player's choices. We still have the best arena in AH2, but there are limitations not present in the other arenas and one of them, at this time, is that you can't advance your side's war effort unless there's someone logged in on the other side.
- oldman
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he never lost access! he only chose not to fly the AVA. he might change his mind......
I believe he was kicked from AvA last night. No such thing as "losing access" in AH, what you can do however is get yourself a place on the boot-on-sight list.
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he never lost access! he only chose not to fly the AVA. he might change his mind......
I believe he was kicked from AvA last night. No such thing as "losing access" in AH, what you can do however is get yourself a place on the boot-on-sight list.
So we have a independent spy now?
If by chance a strategic attack where to happen tonight ( and how coincidentally it has been announced in another thread) and fighter bases that JUST HAVE planes are the ONLY to get hit I will not assume "WE WILL know exactly what he did then "
This is the thread that was suddenly announced
Caution: A large force will be Attacking the AVA. Time and Date TBD. If you don't want to get beat up every time you up a plane, you would be advised to remove yourself from the area. We will take no prisoners. The blood shed will be yours. good luck and best wishes.
For Sale: assorted plane parts. a large surplus of slightly used, possibly dammaged aircraft parts will be available to the highest bidder shortly. may need the brown stains cleaned out of them.
that is all!
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"i believe" but you dont actually know. Actually he left because everyone logged. guess they are afraid of him!
guess they are afraid of him
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I personally think that if a hanger is taken down, make the the owner of the hanger work to get it up. Don't just put a timer on it... yeah if they don't resupply it... 24 hrs is fine. If they get off their lazy kiester and resupply it, then so be it 2 - 4 hrs is great. But seems like the C47 and the m3 are dirty words in here for the one's that only want to come in hear and up a fighter, and when they can't, BOOO HOOO BOOO HOOO is all ya get. 24 hrs is what is, if they set it in motion to resupply to bring time down... then yes... a little work never hurt no-one. We do it, and still get flack. The down time and the EMPTY times are what is killing this arena, and more people are asking for more down time and even closing during certain hrs. Gentleman, you want to gain people in here, not loose them when they decide to come in and there is no one in here or it is closed.
Hangars can't be resupplied. Supplies only effect ordinance, troops, fuel, and radar.
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I personally think that if a hanger is taken down, make the the owner of the hanger work to get it up. Don't just put a timer on it... yeah if they don't resupply it... 24 hrs is fine. If they get off their lazy kiester and resupply it, then so be it 2 - 4 hrs is great. But seems like the C47 and the m3 are dirty words in here for the one's that only want to come in hear and up a fighter, and when they can't, BOOO HOOO BOOO HOOO is all ya get. 24 hrs is what is, if they set it in motion to resupply to bring time down... then yes... a little work never hurt no-one.
I recently learned the resupply does not help rebuild hangars.
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I notice a recurring reference to the changing weather in the arena and the complaint is generally coupled with the statement that in WW II no aircraft would be up in that weather, not so, if you care to read any actual history about that region during the air war in WW II you will find that missions were routinely flown in weather much worse than what is used in here. In the arena the visibility gets down to about 6 miles at its worst, bombers were launched daily out of England with visibility of less than 3 miles. I could go on, but if you truly have an intrest I suggest reading "To Win the Winter Sky's"or ' Masters of the Air, either of these two well researched books will shed a lot of facts about the many misconceptions presented as facts in some of the posts in the forums.
Personally I enjoy the challenge of a little weather change
Maj OldBull
XO Avengers
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Bravo brova Both a good read :salute
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Fair Play Rules
1. We ask that all players be respectful to one another in the Arena and on the BBS forums.
2. There is 0-Tolerance to any kind of smack-talk or taunting on any open channel or on the BBS.
3. There is 0-Tolerance to complaints about HO's, vulching, or 'unfair gameplay' that is disrespectful to other players on any open channel.
4. Three-strike offense system. First offense is a warn. Second is a mute. Third we ask you to leave. If the player refuses, we eject.
5. Players who reach the point of having 3 strikes will be banned from the arena for an indefinite period of time.*
6. Any player(s) found to be using an empty arena to advance their war effort without opposition is an offense - see rule 4.
Reading between the lines what he said was:
First, your return to shore was not part of our negotiations nor our agreement so I must do nothing. And secondly, you must be a pirate for the pirate's code to apply and you're not. And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. Welcome aboard the Black Pearl, Miss Turner .
:rofl Sorry Oldman, I thought you could use a chuckle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9gRUxg7WDY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9gRUxg7WDY&feature=related)
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:rofl :rofl :aok