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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on July 10, 2008, 08:53:27 AM
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Yep.....
this guys wants you to have a free, new bracelet as a reward? when you fly....
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69220
and it seems some people are objecting rather strongly.
this IMHO is just shocking :O :noid :noid :noid
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Well, as long as it makes us safer, then anything they want to do to us is just a OK!
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If the Airline wants to do it, then they can. If you don't like it, then don't patronize them.
It's not a bad idea. Not great either, though.
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What?!? Who/what/how is this "bracelet" going to be triggered? Are they going to zap everyone if a hijacker appears? You don't think a hijacker is going to remove or rip off the bracelet before making themselves known?
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I have a better idea. Let's box passengers up like cattle or monkeys in cages on cargo planes. That way they can't escape and you can cut costs by cramming more passengers on planes.
Win win!
Defending thinking like this is ridiculous. If we've become so overwhelmed that we need simple liberties taken away from us, then get the tin foil hats out and pack the family away down in the bomb shelter.
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Quite possibly the dumbest idea... ever.
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I just signed up to be in the lottery at Southwest.com
They figure a passenger will not zap anyone out of turn - because of the fear of an all-out riot and crashing
Heh.... wrag - wanna take a flight out of Chicago?
:O
Wonders how many went to Southwest.com to see
:rofl
NwBie
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It's not a bad idea.
Yeah, I like it. We should go one step further. Every citizen should wear one. Everywhere... Just imagine. What a beautiful and safe world...
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Rumor has it the implemented version will more closely and fittingly resemble a dildo.
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Don't they think the hijacker would remove or disable the bracelet. How would they control who gets zaped :rolleyes: or who does the zaping. just another thing that could be taken over and used for evil intentions.
I say give everyone a gun with six shots. No one would even stand up to go to the bathroom. :rofl :rofl
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What?!? Who/what/how is this "bracelet" going to be triggered? Are they going to zap everyone if a hijacker appears? You don't think a hijacker is going to remove or rip off the bracelet before making themselves known?
"Who threw a boot on a control panel!?"
:aok :rock
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Yeah, I like it. We should go one step further. Every citizen should wear one. Everywhere... Just imagine. What a beautiful and safe world...
Or we should just take the giant leap and tell Airlines that they can't do what they want on their privately owned Airplanes.
If you don't like that you'd be wearing a shock bracelet, don't get on the damn plane.
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An added benefit would be the ability for the crew to zap a passenger who complained about the food or grumbled about being stuck on the tarmac for 3 hours, to teach em a lesson.
shamus
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What?!? Who/what/how is this "bracelet" going to be triggered? Are they going to zap everyone if a hijacker appears? You don't think a hijacker is going to remove or rip off the bracelet before making themselves known?
That's what I was thinking. Just getting a knife and cutting it.. :rolleyes:
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Or we should just take the giant leap and tell Airlines that they can't do what they want on their privately owned Airplanes.
1.) Technically, airplanes are owned (sometimes) by airlines, which are, mostly, public companies. Very few are privately owned.
2.) Yeah, as long as airlines are bailed out again and again by taxpayers.
3.) Airline business is heavily regulated for several reasons.
4.) Bracelet lovers should move to Iran.
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Yep.....
this guys wants you to have a free, new bracelet as a reward? when you fly....
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69220
and it seems some people are objecting rather strongly.
this IMHO is just shocking :O :noid :noid :noid
and the funy thing is that if the terrorists strik again, it won't be through avaition. if they do somehow, the terrorists will manage to not have one of these units on
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and the funy thing is that if the terrorists strik again, it won't be through avaition. if they do somehow, the terrorists will manage to not have one of these units on
It's not just "Terrorists" who hijack planes. 9-11 wasn't the first time some idiot took control of a plane full of people, its just the first time they flew it into a building.
I say yes, go for it. I fly a lot, hell Im leaving on a trip in two days and I wouldn't mind wearing one of these. Granted, the hijacker (if smart) would take it off before attacking, but what if he doesn't? If the bracelet is removed, we're back to square one, but no worse than before. If he doesnt, then hey! We already have the advantage! If an airline wants to institute it individually then fine. If you don't like it, fly another airline. I don't think it should be a policy instituted by the government though.
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It's not just "Terrorists" who hijack planes. 9-11 wasn't the first time some idiot took control of a plane full of people, its just the first time they flew it into a building.
I say yes, go for it. I fly a lot, hell Im leaving on a trip in two days and I wouldn't mind wearing one of these. Granted, the hijacker (if smart) would take it off before attacking, but what if he doesn't? If the bracelet is removed, we're back to square one, but no worse than before. If he doesnt, then hey! We already have the advantage! If an airline wants to institute it individually then fine. If you don't like it, fly another airline. I don't think it should be a policy instituted by the government though.
Ya, but what if he is carrying a buttcrack knife? Then we are just screwed.
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It's not just "Terrorists" who hijack planes. 9-11 wasn't the first time some idiot took control of a plane full of people, its just the first time they flew it into a building.
I say yes, go for it. I fly a lot, hell Im leaving on a trip in two days and I wouldn't mind wearing one of these. Granted, the hijacker (if smart) would take it off before attacking, but what if he doesn't? If the bracelet is removed, we're back to square one, but no worse than before. If he doesnt, then hey! We already have the advantage! If an airline wants to institute it individually then fine. If you don't like it, fly another airline. I don't think it should be a policy instituted by the government though.
Heh, do you read newspapers? Half of the terrorists are in Gitmo, the other half in Iraq and Afghanistan, where we are winning decisively. The few managing to escape our wrath and hide in Iran will be used by Israeli AF for practice targets.
Besides, if oil prices don't fall anytime soon, there will be no airlines left. So, bracelets are waste of resources...
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It's not just "Terrorists" who hijack planes. 9-11 wasn't the first time some idiot took control of a plane full of people, its just the first time they flew it into a building.
I say yes, go for it. I fly a lot, hell Im leaving on a trip in two days and I wouldn't mind wearing one of these. Granted, the hijacker (if smart) would take it off before attacking, but what if he doesn't? If the bracelet is removed, we're back to square one, but no worse than before. If he doesnt, then hey! We already have the advantage! If an airline wants to institute it individually then fine. If you don't like it, fly another airline. I don't think it should be a policy instituted by the government though.
just suffice it to say....the stated intentions are very very good. the actual use that will eventually will come is not.
i wouldn't let em get a foot in the door on this one. there's much better ways to deal with hijackers. look at the isrealies. have they had an airliner hijacked since the late 70's? or was it the 80's?
anyway........
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1.) Technically, airplanes are owned (sometimes) by airlines, which are, mostly, public companies. Very few are privately owned.
2.) Yeah, as long as airlines are bailed out again and again by taxpayers.
3.) Airline business is heavily regulated for several reasons.
4.) Bracelet lovers should move to Iran.
The Airlines aren't owned by the government. So we shouldn't be able to just blatantly tell them what they can or can't do.
Bail outs are an entirely different issue.
I personally wouldn't wear one nor patronize any airline that demanded that I do. However, I, unlike you, am not a socialist. It is not my right to tell a company what they can or can not do when it comes to their safety procedures.
I can choose not to buy their tickets. And if enough people also do the same, they will either have to choose to get rid of the bracelets to sell more tickets, or they will have to fold.
But I'll be Golly-geened if I'm going to let socialists believe they are allowed to dictate other people's rules.
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I think only the pilots should wear the bracelet. Being zaped once every 5 min is the best way to make sure those monkeys pay attention. :pray
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But I'll be Golly-geened if I'm going to let socialists believe they are allowed to dictate other people's rules.
Opinions = SOCIALISTS
:rolleyes:
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I have a better idea. Let's box passengers up like cattle or monkeys in cages on cargo planes. That way they can't escape and you can cut costs by cramming more passengers on planes.
Win win!
It's a WIN WIN only if I can throw my feces at the other passengers.
Charon
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Opinions = SOCIALISTS
:rolleyes:
If you're going to be intentionally dense, you might as well not post.
If you actually are dense, then I apologize.
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The Airlines aren't owned by the government. So we shouldn't be able to just blatantly tell them what they can or can't do.
Are you owned by the government? Yet they are telling you what you can and can't do and you comply. Why should airline have more freedom then individual?
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Are you owned by the government? Yet they are telling you what you can and can't do and you comply. Why should airline have more freedom then individual?
They tell me what I can and can't do to another unwilling (for the most part) individual.
Seriously. Are you people intentionally being retarded? Or is it just that time of month again?
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I think only the pilots should wear the bracelet. Being zaped once every 5 min is the best way to make sure those monkeys pay attention. :pray
that's why airbus has auto everything in their airliners :O
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Seriously. Are you people intentionally being retarded? Or is it just that time of month again?
Well, I'll let you be, since great book of capitalism says that according to amount of taxes you paid, O'Club is the only place you're allowed to talk.
:salute
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I can choose not to buy their tickets. And if enough people also do the same, they will either have to choose to get rid of the bracelets to sell more tickets, or they will have to fold.
Well that would work if the airlines hadn't lobbied the government to institute the hub system after deregulation in the 70's.
The way it is now, you pretty much use the company that serves the area or you drive, not many gates open to the competition.
shamus
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LOL this is quite an entertaining trhread!
The only way to really protect the sheep from the big bad wolf is to lock them up and keep a guard on them.
Some of you seem to be begging to be shackled so you are safe.
Can I hold the key? :rofl
RTR
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The braclet idea seems seriously flawed to me for a number of reasons, but I don't know enough about them to comment.
That said, I think the Russians had the right *idea* when they used a gas to knock everyone out in that theatre a few years back. Obviously the result in that case wasn't the best...but a whole lot better than all of them dying.
I say put some money into finding a safe gas that the pilot can release to knock everyone on board out with...at his/her discretion.
One problem is the terrorist having a gas mask though I suppose.
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The braclet idea seems seriously flawed to me for a number of reasons, but I don't know enough about them to comment.
That said, I think the Russians had the right *idea* when they used a gas to knock everyone out in that theatre a few years back. Obviously the result in that case wasn't the best...but a whole lot better than all of them dying.
I say put some money into finding a safe gas that the pilot can release to knock everyone on board out with...at his/her discretion.
One problem is the terrorist having a gas mask though I suppose.
Blah, way too complicated. Just ban travel. We don't need people crawling all over the place. Put people in gated communities and have universal 24/7 curfew. If you wanna travel you need special one time permit. Yeah, you'll have to schedule your trip few years ahead, but that'll bring some order in your messy life. Win win (safety) for everyone but terrorists.
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LOL.. what fun it would be to get into the program that set those bracelets off or set off the "sleeping" gas.
Besides the fun of watching it.. the only way I would agree that is needs to be done is if somehow you could make sure that the shock or the gas made those exposed to it sterile.
Anyone who would ride in an airplane under the condition of wearing such a thing or the threat of gas....
Well.. I want to see em removed from the gene pool.
lazs
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If you're going to be intentionally dense, you might as well not post.
If you actually are dense, then I apologize.
The undies are tight in this one...
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Waiting for Penn Jillette to start his "Bacon and a Kiss" airline:
Eat a piece of bacon (that would be pork bacon, Rip). Kiss someone of the same sex full on the lips. Board the plane. No search, no muss, no fuss, carry a gun bomb or whatever. Sounds like a plan to me.
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LOL.. what fun it would be to get into the program that set those bracelets off or set off the "sleeping" gas.
Besides the fun of watching it.. the only way I would agree that is needs to be done is if somehow you could make sure that the shock or the gas made those exposed to it sterile.
Anyone who would ride in an airplane under the condition of wearing such a thing or the threat of gas....
Well.. I want to see em removed from the gene pool.
lazs
Why are you so terrified of this? You dont HAVE to ride that particular airline. If you are doing nothing wrong, why not wear the bracelet? Im sure if you are allergic to bracelets or something they can find something else. You ask why, I ask why not.
I think only the pilots should wear the bracelet. Being zaped once every 5 min is the best way to make sure those monkeys pay attention. :pray
I think they need it to stay awake. Are you familiar with the two Go! Airline pilots who fell asleep in the air and overshot Hilo (Their destination) by 15 miles before anyone woke them up?
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Terrorists plant a female agent as a flight attendant. She zaps everyone to immobilize the passengers then takes down the plane.
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You dont HAVE to ride that particular airline.
Which one then?
As reported by The Washington Times, Lamperd's Web site hosts a copy of a letter from Paul S. Ruwaldt, an official with the Department of Homeland Security's Science and Technology Directorate, expressing interest in the bracelet.
If you are doing nothing wrong, why not wear the bracelet?
As Lazs already said, if you have to ask why, you should be removed from gene pool... Immediately! We'll even set up $$ fund for you to cover medical costs.
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I vote that all woman flight attendants be n*ked therefore terrorists could not fly. :O :rofl
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Why are you so terrified of this? You dont HAVE to ride that particular airline. If you are doing nothing wrong, why not wear the bracelet? Im sure if you are allergic to bracelets or something they can find something else. You ask why, I ask why not
Wow.
It doesn't bother you that you would be required to wear a device on your person, that is there for the sole purpose of controlling your actions, in order to fly on a commercial flight?
You are willing to give up your freedom to not be chained up or incarcerated, when you have done nothing to warrant such an action?
You are willing to give up the very hardwon freedoms that your Fathers, Grandfathers and Great Grandfathers so vehemently defended?
Please enter the pen with the rest of the sheep, someone will be along shortly to brand and feed you.
wow.
RTR
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Wow.
It doesn't bother you that you would be required to wear a device on your person, that is there for the sole purpose of controlling your actions, in order to fly on a commercial flight?
You are willing to give up your freedom to not be chained up or incarcerated, when you have done nothing to warrant such an action?
You are willing to give up the very hardwon freedoms that your Fathers, Grandfathers and Great Grandfathers so vehemently defended?
Please enter the pen with the rest of the sheep, someone will be along shortly to brand and feed you.
wow.
RTR
it does bother me, and i will stop flying if that should become a requirement.
i MIGHT consider it, if i get to hold a loaded weapon to the head of the operator of this device for the duration of my having to wear it :D
otherwise,,,,,no way in hell@@@@
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hehe Cap :D
Odd as it sounds, maybe giving everyone a loaded gun during the boarding process would be the best bet! I bet it would be one heck of an uneventful flight! :rofl
RTR
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Those who give up their liberty for security deserve neither.
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If you are doing nothing wrong, why not wear the bracelet?
*sigh*
Isn't it obvious?
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Wow.
It doesn't bother you that you would be required to wear a device on your person, that is there for the sole purpose of controlling your actions, in order to fly on a commercial flight?
You are willing to give up your freedom to not be chained up or incarcerated, when you have done nothing to warrant such an action?
You are willing to give up the very hardwon freedoms that your Fathers, Grandfathers and Great Grandfathers so vehemently defended?
Please enter the pen with the rest of the sheep, someone will be along shortly to brand and feed you.
wow.
RTR
I feel neither chained nor incarcerated by this. Nor am I giving up any freedoms. As a passenger ELECTING to fly on whichever airliner I am flying on, I am also ELECTING to subject myself for their choice of security measure. No freedom is being lost because you are not being FORCED to do anything. You want to fly on their plane, follow their rules or learn to drive/swim/walk or get your own PPL.
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As long as the pilots wear it too...
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I feel neither chained nor incarcerated by this. Nor am I giving up any freedoms. As a passenger ELECTING to fly on whichever airliner I am flying on, I am also ELECTING to subject myself for their choice of security measure. No freedom is being lost because you are not being FORCED to do anything. You want to fly on their plane, follow their rules or learn to drive/swim/walk or get your own PPL.
I guess you really don't understand what it's all about. That is very sad.
You and the other sheep will at least be safe and secure in the pen though. Don't worry about the branding, it only stings for a second or two.
RTR
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Or we should just take the giant leap and tell Airlines that they can't do what they want on their privately owned Airplanes.
If you don't like that you'd be wearing a shock bracelet, don't get on the damn plane.
They tell me what I can and can't do to another unwilling (for the most part) individual.
Seriously. Are you people intentionally being retarded? Or is it just that time of month again?
It could be that these people can just read. The linked article is about the TSA's interest in using the bracelet, not the airlines. The TSA is operated by the Department of Homeland Security, which is a federal agency, which means they work for us.
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I'd be happy to go back to the way it was. Less intrusion, less waiting, less nonsense. I'd be happy to take my chances knowing how likely it'd be that I end up on a plane that gets hijacked or blown to bits ...or that I win the lottery ...or that I get struck by lightning. And if a plane did get hijacked, something tells me they'd have a rougher time trying to take control of the airplane this time around.
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I agree SOB.
Also I guess "sad" isn't the word I should have used. Scary is more like it.
What is really scary is there are young people who are buying into this stuff, and agreeing that it is okay to be physically restrained / chained up / etc etc because it "is safer". These kids are going to someday hold some power in decisions like this...that is the real scary part.
Man, I thought we blew right through "1984" without a hitch.
Guess I better go lock up the sheep.
RTR
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It could be that these people can just read. The linked article is about the TSA's interest in using the bracelet, not the airlines. The TSA is operated by the Department of Homeland Security, which is a federal agency, which means they work for us.
That's the ticket. In my haste to get through the article I misinterpreted it to indicate the AIRLINES wanted to impliment this policy. On an airline-by-airline basis I think this is fine. However having the entire TSA impose this removes the option of flying another airline, so thats when I feel its a bit much. It goes from an option to a command.
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It goes from an option to a command.
Even the way you read it, it was still a command albeit a command from a private company.
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*sigh*
Isn't it obvious?
not to a shockinglylarge majority of them :D
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i have flown for 40 years but not anymore, flying has gone from just boring to a real pain in the a**.
if i can't drive there i don't go. I would like to take a train but i can't find one.
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I feel neither chained nor incarcerated by this. Nor am I giving up any freedoms. As a passenger ELECTING to fly on whichever airliner I am flying on, I am also ELECTING to subject myself for their choice of security measure. No freedom is being lost because you are not being FORCED to do anything. You want to fly on their plane, follow their rules or learn to drive/swim/walk or get your own PPL.
your freedom in that insatance isn't being lost. you're GIVING IT UP. you are restricted. for now, they say it will only be actvated in event of an emergency. next year they'll say it will zap you if you leave your seat without permission from the flight attendants. in a couple more years, if you're a frequent lfyer, then they'll say..""keep it on all the time, because we need to know what you're doing all the time. see the possible problem here?
it's ashame, as our younger people like you are so brainwashed, that you're perfectly willing to allow something like this. that's not a shot at you.....it's just a statement in general.
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I'd be happy to go back to the way it was. Less intrusion, less waiting, less nonsense. I'd be happy to take my chances knowing how likely it'd be that I end up on a plane that gets hijacked or blown to bits ...or that I win the lottery ...or that I get struck by lightning. And if a plane did get hijacked, something tells me they'd have a rougher time trying to take control of the airplane this time around.
and to think.....if the airlines would invest a few bucks.......
blast proof bulkheads and doors to the cockpit. blast proof cargo containers for luggage.........didn't the isrealis do these things in the late 70's? and they've never had another hijacking?
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Waiting for Penn Jillette to start his "Bacon and a Kiss" airline:
Eat a piece of bacon (that would be pork bacon, Rip). Kiss someone of the same sex full on the lips. Board the plane. No search, no muss, no fuss, carry a gun bomb or whatever. Sounds like a plan to me.
Awesome idea. A big plus would be that I'd never have to sit next to a vegetarian.
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I would be so glad to have it go back to the way it was that I might even fly again.
I would ask only that concealed carry card holders and off duty cops be allowed to carry on the plane. I would want the pilots to be armed and behind blast proof doors.
I want it back the way it was. This is exactly the reason why change is not always good.. that change can mean cancer or going broke or.. running out of gas for your car or being taxed into lower class status.. it can mean schools teach even less and get even farther behind.. change is not always good.. hope is fine but.... intangible and well.. ever hear "be careful what you wish for.. you just might get it." ?
lazs
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your freedom in that insatance isn't being lost. you're GIVING IT UP. you are restricted. for now, they say it will only be actvated in event of an emergency. next year they'll say it will zap you if you leave your seat without permission from the flight attendants. in a couple more years, if you're a frequent lfyer, then they'll say..""keep it on all the time, because we need to know what you're doing all the time. see the possible problem here?
it's ashame, as our younger people like you are so brainwashed, that you're perfectly willing to allow something like this. that's not a shot at you.....it's just a statement in general.
Yes, and seatbelts are for communists! While this might be an extreme and almost useless idea, it still isnt restricted freedom.
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Yes, and seatbelts are for communists! While this might be an extreme and almost useless idea, it still isnt restricted freedom.
How about somebody puts you in jail for your safety, so you don't get mugged by some pineappleheads? You'd be OK with that?
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How about somebody puts you in jail for your safety, so you don't get mugged by some pineappleheads? You'd be OK with that?
So, being asked by the airline YOU chose to fly on to wear a security device is equivalent to being thrown in jail in your opinion? So having a wife must be like a death sentence...
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Yes, and seatbelts are for communists! While this might be an extreme and almost useless idea, it still isnt restricted freedom.
nnooooooo...seatbelts have always been safe. i've beend riving since 1979, and always wear mine. not because it's a low, but rather because i like being alive. it saved me in a head on too....but that's besides the point.
so what you're saying is that you truel believe that if we all decide it's ok for them to put shock bracelets on us so we can fly(and don;t forget, the article did mention that they track you too), ytou REALLY think they'll ONLY use them for emergency? you don;t think they'll eventually morph it to a point where they control your everyday life through these?
i know i'm sounding extreme, but it IS a restriction of my freedom if i should choose to put it on my wrist. it also is not even a close comparasoin to the seatbelt thing. seatbelts are common sense. you're doing 50mph, and suddenly de-accelerat to 20 with the impact of hitting another car. no seatbelt, you're doing 50 till you hit part of your car, or till you pass through the windshield to fly through the air and land very hard.....
i really wish our younger generations weren't so beadly brainwashed, as since the rest of us are getting older, you younger guys are our best defense from watermelon like this.
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nnooooooo...seatbelts have always been safe. i've beend riving since 1979, and always wear mine. not because it's a low, but rather because i like being alive. it saved me in a head on too....but that's besides the point.
so what you're saying is that you truel believe that if we all decide it's ok for them to put shock bracelets on us so we can fly(and don;t forget, the article did mention that they track you too), ytou REALLY think they'll ONLY use them for emergency? you don;t think they'll eventually morph it to a point where they control your everyday life through these?
i know i'm sounding extreme, but it IS a restriction of my freedom if i should choose to put it on my wrist. it also is not even a close comparasoin to the seatbelt thing. seatbelts are common sense. you're doing 50mph, and suddenly de-accelerat to 20 with the impact of hitting another car. no seatbelt, you're doing 50 till you hit part of your car, or till you pass through the windshield to fly through the air and land very hard.....
i really wish our younger generations weren't so beadly brainwashed, as since the rest of us are getting older, you younger guys are our best defense from watermelon like this.
I resent the fact that you think we are brainwashed. The key term there is "if i should choose to put it on my wrist". Its a choice. I just booked a ticket on an airplane. One airline wants to charge me $25 for my first bag. The other will let me take it for free. I CHOSE the one without the baggage fee, same as you can CHOSE the airline that doesnt have this requirement.
As far as them only using it in an emergency, that comes down to where we draw the line. I think its okay for airlines to chose this method for an emergency. However, I would stand up and try to stop it if they decided to expand it to be used to, say, keep people in their seats as you mentioned before. Im not saying I WANT to wear the bracelet, I just see it as being stupid more than an attempt to rob us of our freedom.
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i really wish our younger generations weren't so beadly brainwashed, as since the rest of us are getting older, you younger guys are our best defense from watermelon like this.
If you have to work hard to earn something, you'll appreciate it. For the most part, today's kids don't have to. Applies to certain rights, $$, education, privileges and freedom. Fault of our broken educational system and lack of proper parenting...
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Its a choice.
One reason why children are treated as such and don't have certain rights and privileges, is that they don't know the difference between good and bad choice, right and wrong, etc.
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I resent the fact that you think we are brainwashed. The key term there is "if i should choose to put it on my wrist". Its a choice. I just booked a ticket on an airplane. One airline wants to charge me $25 for my first bag. The other will let me take it for free. I CHOSE the one without the baggage fee, same as you can CHOSE the airline that doesnt have this requirement.
As far as them only using it in an emergency, that comes down to where we draw the line. I think its okay for airlines to chose this method for an emergency. However, I would stand up and try to stop it if they decided to expand it to be used to, say, keep people in their seats as you mentioned before. Im not saying I WANT to wear the bracelet, I just see it as being stupid more than an attempt to rob us of our freedom.
DUDE, NO INSULT is/was intended. but you are showing ua a prime example. it always starts small. then they ""need"" to change it to do something else. then they decide it ""needs"" to be an extra charge. you are right, in that it comes to where you draw the line, but once we all let them get their foot in the door so to speak, they slowly morph it into what they want, and rater unbelievably no one seems to notice till it's tooo late.
i'll campare it to a couple laws here ni nj..very simplistic comparison, but it might help.
1)NJ seatbelt law. years ago when they started using it, it was only for our own safety. it was never going to be a reason to pull us over, but if they pulled us over sor something else, and we weren't wearing one, they coudl ticket us for it.
now, not only is it a primary offense, but they actually set up seatbelt checkpoints much like the DUI checkpoints.
2)EZPASS...on the NJ turnpike, and AC expressway, we have an ezpass system. was sworn it was only to help traffic flow and would be used for nothing else.
i personally know 2 people that have recieved speeding tickets in the mail because they were timed through multyiple toll booth with it.
i fear the next thing will be our newer vehicles equipped with gps systems....they already communicate with somewhere(i don't know who or where) and the GM's will call you and send you an email when your CEL comes on. they report when you've been involved in an accident. this means they track you in them. how long till you start seeing ticket in the mail from thjese systems? or they just decide that john drove like an amazinhunk last week, so they shut down his car this week for punishment?
now....you do understand exactly what brainwashing is, right? there are many forms of it. what it comes down to is making you WANT what they want you to want. so for the bracelets, they want people to want them, so they push the safety aspect. then when people accept them for that, they start doing the above mentioned types of things.
again, nothing personal dude.......
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If you have to work hard to earn something, you'll appreciate it. For the most part, today's kids don't have to. Applies to certain rights, $$, education, privileges and freedom. Fault of our broken educational system and lack of proper parenting...
whelp, i think i had it easier than my grandparents(they were my parents in every way), but i did however have to work for everything i have. you're probably right.
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Cap you are wasting your time here. This one does not understand that his freedom is forfeit for the simple reason that he does not understand what the freedom he is giving away is.
I just worry that this kind of thinking follows the young kids into the Airforce / Army / navy etc. How can they protect something when they have no idea what it is that they are supposed to protect?
I swear, some of these kids were born 90 years too late and in the wrong country.
I'm out.
RTR
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Cap you are wasting your time here. This one does not understand that his freedom is forfeit for the simple reason that he does not understand what the freedom he is giving away is.
I just worry that this kind of thinking follows the young kids into the Airforce / Army / navy etc. How can they protect something when they have no idea what it is that they are supposed to protect?
I swear, some of these kids were born 90 years too late and in the wrong country.
I'm out.
RTR
good point.
on a lighter note/......
here's something we can do with these shock bracelets.........
hook them to the text filters.......rather than a mute when one curses, they get zapped. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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yes..... you have a choice with seatbelts.. you can wear em or get a ticket.. if you get enough tickets you will lose your license.. if you resist you will be jailed.. if you resist hard enough you will be killed..
some choice.
Seatbelt laws are immoral.
lazs
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yes..... you have a choice with seatbelts.. you can wear em or get a ticket.. if you get enough tickets you will lose your license.. if you resist you will be jailed.. if you resist hard enough you will be killed..
some choice.
Seatbelt laws are immoral.
lazs
althoughj i've been wearing seatbelts since i've been driving(1979), i agree that they shouldn't be mandated by law. same with the helmet laws.
it's like they're trying to mandate common sense, but it should be your choice, and no one elses.
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Hitler is alive in Argentina and the commies have an assault force hiding in Canada... See? I can do it too.
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Hitler is alive in Argentina and the commies have an assault force hiding in Canada... See? I can do it too.
Aww come on.....a whole week and thats the best you can come up with? :lol
shamus
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Aww come on.....a whole week and thats the best you can come up with? :lol
shamus
Ive been away for a week. Im still 3 flights and 2 epic lay-overs away from home. And I'm just pointing out how ridiculous you all sound.
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Ive been away for a week. Im still 3 flights and 2 epic lay-overs away from home. And I'm just pointing out how ridiculous you all sound.
how ridiculous WE sound?
if you're on a layover, go to a pet shop, and buy yourself one of those shocking dog collars.
put it on yourself, and hand the remote to one of the flight attendents, and tell her/him that if you do ANYTHING that could possibly be interpreted as almost threatening to their safety, that they should zap ya.
then see what ya think of this.
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If you'll pick up the tab I will gladly do it. Why? Because I dont do anything almost threatening to safety... Not really anyway... Some flight attendant did get her panties in a twist when I was listening to an I-pod during takeoff...
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If you'll pick up the tab I will gladly do it. Why? Because I dont do anything almost threatening to safety... Not really anyway... Some flight attendant did get her panties in a twist when I was listening to an I-pod during takeoff...
ya missed the point..........
everyone's idea of "threatening" is different. you could be looking around, just taking in the sights. but to someone else, this cuold be you looking around to "scope out" the situation before you do something. this to the attendant could warrant a zap......
that was my point........
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I figure the dog collars are a natural extension of the seatbelt laws.
After all... ITS ABOUT SAFETY!!!!! LIFE IS ALL ABOUT HOW SAFE YOU ARE!! FREEDOM IS SAFETY!!!
lazs
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I figure the dog collars are a natural extension of the seatbelt laws.
After all... ITS ABOUT SAFETY!!!!! LIFE IS ALL ABOUT HOW SAFE YOU ARE!! FREEDOM IS SAFETY!!!
lazs
WELL, like i said before, i do wear my seatbelt. but i was wearing it because i believe in them, and have always worn them racing.
i also do not think the govt has the right to tell you or me that we have to. that should be your choice. same with helmets.
but these shock bracelets, and collars......we really do NEED them. look how stylish you'll be wearing matching shockers. look how easy it'll be to control our kids. they get outta line...ZZZAAAAPPPPP.....
they'll be selling family packs. the family that shocks together stays together.
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cap... I fully support your right to wear a seat belt in any vehicle you choose to.
lazs
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cap... I fully support your right to wear a seat belt in any vehicle you choose to.
lazs
well...i hope you realize that the bulk of my last post was sarcastic? the only serious part was about thnking it's ridiculous to make laws like the seatbelt laws.
basicly it should only be your choice....no one elses. if you don't want to weart it, who am i to try to make ya?
anyway.......
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a very logical and moral point of view it is too.
I have just never got off on telling others what to do. I grew up with a lot of bed wetter baby boom hippies who did want to tell everyone what to do.. they now have the power.
They are getting back at the rest of us for laughing at them back when they were young.
and.. it looks like they are breeding from the looks of some of the posters.
lazs