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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Steve on July 10, 2008, 12:36:02 PM
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I have been away for a few months and perhaps my experiences thus far, upon my return, are merely anecdotal but:
I was cruising at about 8K(too lazy to grab much higher) towards a friendly base under attack by cv planes. As I fly past the cv I spy an enemy con,grabbing off the cv, at about 5k. The enemy is almost directly in my flight path. I nose down and vector for intercept. Right before I get into gun range(for my poor aim that's 400 yards for a fighter) the corsair sees me and tries to evade by a split S. I chop throttle, roll onto my back, and pull for the shot. The hog goes out of sight under my nose(relative to the nose, we are inverted) but I felt I had good lead so I pull the trigger. BOOM, kill. The dead guy then gets on a 200 rant how it was a cheap pick and is "that all I 've got?"
That was a pick?
Scenario 2:
Alone I fly to an enemy base where bad guys were upping to vulch a nearby firendly base. I arrive at about 7k, spy a 110 on the deck who is heading for a friendly cv.(no uppers at our cv). I drop down and he gives away his evasive very early by tilting his wing left. I cheat to his left as I approach and sure enough, he breaks hard left to avoid. Easy shot, BOOM, kill. I zoom back up, and arrive at the base in good shape back at almost 8k now. Several bad guys have upped and are in assorted positions but all below me. I am the only friendly in the sector. A fight ensues where several cons try to kill me but I kill them all, holding My E. all except the smart one in a 109 who flies away to grab as I am engaged. It's no less that 1 vs 7. In the mean time, with the vulch busted, friendlies finally arrive and the fight is now over the bad guy's base. I get one more kill and then land at the cv, out of ammo. One guy says: "Nice picks, you can't do anything else."
I was alone against these guys.These were picks?
I've noticed in the arena that very few of the masses seem to understand the value of E retention. After merge, with the requisite HO attempt, they either keep going or go into a hard break turn. Naturally, my counter is to go up and then have my way with them. I've had more than one person tell me I'm picking when I do this.
This is now considered picking?
In the past, the definition of picking was killing a guy who was already engaged with one or more other cons. For instance, Scca's thread. His story is a clear sotry of a pick, IMHO.
Has the definition changed?
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Hi Steve,
I think I was flying with the knights against you that night. You are simply tough to kill and fly smart, and that's why guys on my side called you a picker. For my part, you did a great job of picking apart my 190F-8 and gave me just desserts for being a bit too low. (edit, "picking" no pun intended!)
As for the definition of a "pick," I'm no authority. That privilege belongs to the guys you shoot down. :aok
P.S. It's probable that I was the "smart" 109. :P
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a "pick" is when you kill an nme off of a friendlies behind, plain and simple.
and just Laugh if anyone tries to tell you different.
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Doesn't sound like a pick too me. Sounds more like BnZ.
IMO, picking is when you kill an aircraft that is engaged with another aircraft. Vulching I guess one could say is picking, but you didn't vulch.
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The new "pick" I guess is any kill where the target feels they should have prevailed in spite of their poor skills.
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a "pick" is when you kill an nme off of a friendlies behind, plain and simple.
picking is when you kill an aircraft that is engaged with another aircraft
Based on these defintions, every single one of you is a picker.
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Based on these defintions, every single one of you is a picker.
:lol :lol :lol
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Based on these defintions, every single one of you is a picker.
I never said I wasn't :devil
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If you're saying you've never cleared a friendly's six, you're lying, plain and simple.
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Based on these defintions, every single one of you is a picker.
True, but some people make a living off doing this, others don't.
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nope im not saying that at all, a pick to me is a good thing, but i generally fight red guys for my killz not green.
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Hi Steve,
I think I was flying with the knights against you that night. You are simply tough to kill and fly smart, and that's why guys on my side called you a picker. For my part, you did a great job of picking apart my 190F-8 and gave me just desserts for being a bit too low. (edit, "picking" no pun intended!)
As for the definition of a "pick," I'm no authority. That privilege belongs to the guys you shoot down. :aok
P.S. It's probable that I was the "smart" 109. :P
You're gavagai?! That was a different flight but I remember that fight! I had E over you but it seemed like it still took me about 10 minutes to kill you as you were determined to survive, lol. Don't worry, you paid me back a couple of nights later as you and a friend caught me on the water, trying to ditch. BOOM, dead Steve. :lol :aok
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True, but some people make a living off doing this, others don't.
hmm... I make a living getting my six cleared :)
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In all scenarios that you described ... those are not "picks" in my book.
Also, your understanding of a "pick" is exactly the same as mine.
The people that called your kills picks, are the clueless 200 lemmings that are only following the clueless 200 lemmings in front of them, who have no idea what a "pick" really is.
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As long as its 1 on 1 it can never be a pick. People bieng timid is the issue these days.
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a "pick" is when you kill an nme off of a friendlies behind, plain and simple.
and just Laugh if anyone tries to tell you different.
Thats an incomplete and potentiallty incorrect statement. A "pick" in the true sense is when somebody attacks a player who has successfully fought a 1 on 1 till it has reached its "end game" and both planes are low and at a reduced E state and there for vulnerable.
I'll give you a 1st hand example, we (71 SQDN) were flying a sweep and on egress I wandered over to check out a DAR "red square" and caught a P-51D on climb out. Now I was at 10k or so and he probably wasnt much over 3 or 4k. I swooped in and it was pretty clear I was dealing with a formidable pony driver. I put on some good moves (I'm in a D pony as well) and he put on some better counters and I was obviously chatting gleefully on squad vox that I had a good one going. Batfink came over as a good squaddie should and being of could character made sure i knew he was there. By this point I had to either go "all in" or extend. I made sure to let Batty know that 1) I wasnt gonna cut out and 2) not to pcik the guy since he would have a well deserved kill if he got me...
In the end I squeeked out a W (minus 2 guns he took out) and went home....now it would be perfectly fine to have a squaddie "save me" and to be honest I've been "picked" a 100 times by fellows in this particular guys squad. The flip side is he has also called his guys off before when he knew it was me to let a good fight finish.
Personally I think alot of guys use "pick" as an excuse for bad SA or feel that they should be allowed to use an advantage without impunity. 90% of these "good one on ones" are nothing other then a guy with alt & E getting picked off a plane on the defensive IMO.
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Thats an incomplete and potentiallty incorrect statement. A "pick" in the true sense is when somebody attacks a player who has successfully fought a 1 on 1 till it has reached its "end game" and both planes are low and at a reduced E state and there for vulnerable.
I'll give you a 1st hand example, we (71 SQDN) were flying a sweep and on egress I wandered over to check out a DAR "red square" and caught a P-51D on climb out. Now I was at 10k or so and he probably wasnt much over 3 or 4k. I swooped in and it was pretty clear I was dealing with a formidable pony driver. I put on some good moves (I'm in a D pony as well) and he put on some better counters and I was obviously chatting gleefully on squad vox that I had a good one going. Batfink came over as a good squaddie should and being of could character made sure i knew he was there. By this point I had to either go "all in" or extend. I made sure to let Batty know that 1) I wasnt gonna cut out and 2) not to pcik the guy since he would have a well deserved kill if he got me...
In the end I squeeked out a W (minus 2 guns he took out) and went home....now it would be perfectly fine to have a squaddie "save me" and to be honest I've been "picked" a 100 times by fellows in this particular guys squad. The flip side is he has also called his guys off before when he knew it was me to let a good fight finish.
Personally I think alot of guys use "pick" as an excuse for bad SA or feel that they should be allowed to use an advantage without impunity. 90% of these "good one on ones" are nothing other then a guy with alt & E getting picked off a plane on the defensive IMO.
you just wanna argue with me humble. :aok
the point is a pick is killing someone on someone else's 6, does not matter what condition they are in.
does not even have to be a friendly, I pick 1 red guy off another red guy, still a pick.
any time i get picked (allot) it is my fault and only my Fault.
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A "pick" in the true sense is when somebody attacks a player who has successfully fought a 1 on 1 till it has reached its "end game" and both planes are low and at a reduced E state and there for vulnerable.
You have a point there ... but a "pick" is garnering a kill while the opponent ... is vulnerable ... due to it's engagement/fight with another plane.
I have had plenty of guys "pick" my prey while engaged and usually when I have or just get the upper hand ... and then I ask them on Vox ... "So ... what made you really think that I needed you help while I am on the guys 6 0'clock ?" ... they weren't there to help me ... they saw an easy kill as a result of my hard work.
Also, IMHO SA has nothing to do with whether it was a "pick" or not ... SA may delay/defeat a "pick", but depending upon the circumstances, if your still engaged, the picker will get you.
Leviathn probably has the best SA that I have ever seen, and even he can't deny the "pick" under all circumstances.
There are times when you can't let go of your initial engagement because if you do, he will probably kill you quicker than the guy trying to pick you. In these circumstances, I hope that the evasives that my opponent is making, and me following, will also spoil the picker until I can dispatch my original opponent.
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you just wanna argue with me humble. :aok
the point is a pick is killing someone on someone else's 6, does not matter what condition they are in.
Well I have "picked" guys off my squaddies, and the opponent was not anywhere near a 6 o'clock solution. Not trying to bust your you-know-whats here, but 6 o'clock is not a prerequisite.
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Here's some definitions that might help:
1) Bounce - Attacking with an altitude advantage a plane that is not already engaged with another.
2) Cherry Pick - Attacking an enemy who is already engaged with another.
3) Clearing Your Wingman's 6 - Attacking an enemy who is already engaged with another.
4) Drag n' Bag - Tactic whereby a friendly drags 1 or several enemy laterally for a friendly to destroy while they are "engaged" with him.
5) Vertical Drag n' Bag (aka Rope) - Tactic whereby a friendly pulls 1 or more enemy up vertically to slow them down, hanging them there for a friendly to destroy while they are "engaged" with him.
6)Cross Drag - Tactic whereby a friendly with a single pursuer turns him perpendicular to your flight path to allow you to close more quickly and provide a higher profile shot on the enemy "engaged" with him.
So, #1 is not a cherry pick, that's a pure BnZ in the classic sense. Some seem to think if they get bushwhacked and didn't see it coming that's a cherry-pick but it's not. If they were not otherwise engaged it's just getting bounced.
That leaves #2-6, all cherry-picks or variations thereof. Coincidentally, they are all fundamental tactics of air combat and cooperative wingman tactics. There's hardly more fun to be had in the game than flying in a complex engagement with some folks that can recognize, execute and exploit #3-6. In fact, there's a name for those that can't recognize, execute and exploit #3-6, "clueless noobs". Personally, I don't care to fly with people who consider themsleves above cherry-picking, because in a complex engagement people averse to setting people up, recognizing setups, exploiting setups and clearing your 6 are not worth a pinch of owl poop.
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How about this?
A week or two ago I got engaged heavily with a P-38 while I was flying a K-4. There were no other cons around, friendly or enemy.
We got pretty wrapped up, both of us swirling all over and dropping to the deck. At some point a friendly con showed up and I called him off and I have no idea what happened to him...he died or left or something.
Soon both me and the 38 are bled of E, flaps out on the deck. I see red dots coming, but this fight is too good to stop. I get a tater into the guy and he does down. I level and check 6 and I see a higher P-51 coming down hard. I have no E to do much so I try a feeble left break as low as I can hoping I can ride out a few 50 cals. Of course this guy has awesome aim and he clips off a wing and I go down.
The guy who shot me down had a handle that rhymes with "Steev". I almost typed out, "Nice pick 'Steev' " on 200, because to me, that was a pick. But then I thought about it, and frankly, I would have done the exact same thing except I wouldn't have hit the guy with my 50 cals.
So, ultimately, I think I'm ok with picks, but I guess I've never been totally clear on what constitutes a "pick", and what constitutes shooting down some clown that was stupid enough to blow all his E in a combat environment.
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Well I have "picked" guys off my squaddies, and the opponent was not anywhere near a 6 o'clock solution. Not trying to bust your you-know-whats here, but 6 o'clock is not a prerequisite.
you are correct i should have said engaged with someone else.
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Almost always what is "flying in a horde" and "Cherry picking" to one side is flying with wingman tactics and smart flying on the other side. Perspective makes a huge difference. :)
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so whats it called when you get attacked by 7 nme cons and kill them all?
Noob hourde?
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Almost always what is "flying in a horde" and "Cherry picking" to one side is flying with wingman tactics and smart flying on the other side. Perspective makes a huge difference. :)
Yup, precisely, it would never occur to me to chastize someone because they saddled up on me as I went to guns on their buddy. In fact, I would consider them rediculously remiss in their duty if they did not attempt to do so. Conversely, if I were knee deep in a Spixteen, completely defensive, I would curse the offspring of the friendly that did not swoop down and cherry-pick him off me (clear my 6).
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Here's some definitions that might help:
1) Bounce - Attacking with an altitude advantage a plane that is not already engaged with another.
2) Cherry Pick - Attacking an enemy who is already engaged with another.
3) Clearing Your Wingman's 6 - Attacking an enemy who is already engaged with another.
4) Drag n' Bag - Tactic whereby a friendly drags 1 or several enemy laterally for a friendly to destroy while they are "engaged" with him.
5) Vertical Drag n' Bag (aka Rope) - Tactic whereby a friendly pulls 1 or more enemy up vertically to slow them down, hanging them there for a friendly to destroy while they are "engaged" with him.
6)Cross Drag - Tactic whereby a friendly with a single pursuer turns him perpendicular to your flight path to allow you to close more quickly and provide a higher profile shot on the enemy "engaged" with him.
So, #1 is not a cherry pick, that's a pure BnZ in the classic sense. Some seem to think if they get bushwhacked and didn't see it coming that's a cherry-pick but it's not. If they were not otherwise engaged it's just getting bounced.
That leaves #2-6, all cherry-picks or variations thereof. Coincidentally, they are all fundamental tactics of air combat and cooperative wingman tactics. There's hardly more fun to be had in the game than flying in a complex engagement with some folks that can recognize, execute and exploit #3-6. In fact, there's a name for those that can't recognize, execute and exploit #3-6, "clueless noobs". Personally, I don't care to fly with people who consider themsleves above cherry-picking, because in a complex engagement people averse to setting people up, recognizing setups, exploiting setups and clearing your 6 are not worth a pinch of owl poop.
Nope ... only #3 qualifies.
All the others are wingman tactics, and if people are truly flying wingman tactics ... god bless 'em ... else it's a "pick".
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Yup, precisely, it would never occur to me to chastize someone because they saddled up on me as I went to guns on their buddy. In fact, I would consider them rediculously remiss in their duty if they did not attempt to do so. Conversely, if I were knee deep in a Spixteen, completely defensive, I would curse the offspring of the friendly that did not swoop down and cherry-pick him off me (clear my 6).
Remember ... if it's me above you, you must first scream like a little school girl before I will drop in ... ;)
But then again, I highly doubt that I will ever be ABOVE you ... :D
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reading these forums today is really driving me nuts :cry :furious
i cant wait to get back in the AH skies :t
so i can release some pent up Rage.
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you just wanna argue with me humble. :aok
the point is a pick is killing someone on someone else's 6, does not matter what condition they are in.
does not even have to be a friendly, I pick 1 red guy off another red guy, still a pick.
any time i get picked (allot) it is my fault and only my Fault.
hehe:)
Actually I'm just trying to clarify a pick (and as slapshot mentioned its often the prey that gets picked) in the true sense vs someone who expects some sort of immunity to attack by virtue of having a positional advantage vs a single plane. We've all seen the guy who comes in with a 5 or even 10k alt advantage and immediately vulches the field or attacks a plane taking off and then inevitiably gets swarmed under by the 4 or 5 planes he ignored on the way in...and then comes back with some comment along the lines of....
"Gee nice 6 on 1, all you guys and do is gangbang"....
Duh...
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hehe:)
Actually I'm just trying to clarify a pick (and as slapshot mentioned its often the prey that gets picked) in the true sense vs someone who expects some sort of immunity to attack by virtue of having a positional advantage vs a single plane. We've all seen the guy who comes in with a 5 or even 10k alt advantage and immediately vulches the field or attacks a plane taking off and then inevitiably gets swarmed under by the 4 or 5 planes he ignored on the way in...and then comes back with some comment along the lines of....
"Gee nice 6 on 1, all you guys and do is gangbang"....
Duh...
That's another phenomenon that amazes me too ... :rofl
Here is another one ... your climbing out from the base, all by your lonesome, and you see a con coming in with a nice alt avantage over you. You say to yourself ... YES !!! this is going to be a good one ... you adjust yourself in the chair ... slap yourself in the face ... ready to rock and roll.
He passes by you like you weren't even there and heads to the base ... huh ? He dives in and manages to take out 1 ack gun before he either augers or the ack rips him to shreds. I turn back around and shake my head as I begin to climb out again.
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for some reason i think it will be fun to tangle with ya Humble,
i will never drop in on a 1vs1 unless asked to, i DO not vulch(my least favorite thing in AH except maybe kill stealer's)
i will never ask for someone to help me clear my 6, if that person got there he deserves the kill,( I have gone so far as being in a good fight with some one but they did not finish me off, im bingo i spot someone trying to steel his kill, namely me) i will auger so that first pilot i was in the fight with gets the kill.
i think this game is great, i try to fly with honor( i know honor in a computer game :confused:) i try to give every one respect.
at least those who deserve it, and I wish every one flew like that (the respect part)
does not matter to me that most of the MA mentality is the exact opposite,that will not stop me from being me.
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There are no my picks in my view just unwanted help. Like this
I was in a 109k-4 facing humes's 109f-4 we merged and he had a slight alt advantage and I had slight speed avantage so we were co-e. We started the fight and like all good 109 pilots should do we went into a vertical fight. It was quite even with him having a edge in manueverability and me with more power and climb. We continuously scissored and broke and remerged with no ho's. I then realize that are fight is headed to enemy cons so I change the direction of it away and then I see a green dot a sector away and coming towards us I think nothing of it. We keep the pattern of fight and I check my map once again and see the green dot is closer and still coming still not worrying about it. I then start gaining the edge and going for the kill shot I see his icon and I lose my concentration and kindly ask him to stay out of the fight from 6k away and I hear no answer I repeat it no answer. I then think he may have his sound off or something so I type it out and he still doesn't answer so I just keep on fighting then he comes in and kills the humes. The best fight I ahd ever had ruined by a friendly. Humes and I trade salutes on 200 and talk about our great fight and about how stupid the other guy is.
That is unwanted help.
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Nope ... only #3 qualifies.
All the others are wingman tactics, and if people are truly flying wingman tactics ... god bless 'em ... else it's a "pick".
Good pilots do these things all the time. We rarely have assigned wingmen in the MA so every friendly con is a potential wingman. Virtually all wingman tactics, especially those I just outlined, are about manipulating the enemy in such a way as to make him more vulnerable to attack from another, in short, setting him up to be cherry picked.
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As long as its 1 on 1 it can never be a pick. People bieng timid is the issue these days.
Agreed, if it's 1 on 1 it's not a pick in the classic sense as being a "cherry picker". Sometimes I see people sitting with alt and picking guys off as they climb up in the classic BnZ fashion. In that sense it's not a cherry pick so to speak, but more of just picking off the kills as they climb up.
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Nope ... only #3 qualifies.
All the others are wingman tactics, and if people are truly flying wingman tactics ... god bless 'em ... else it's a "pick".
Personally I don't mind fighting against wingman tactics if it's just two cons and they are both willing to commit to the fight. I really hate when 2 cons do nothing but BnZ a lower alt con or one con gets into a turn fight with you and the other keeps BnZing.
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simple and plain:
You don't like cherrypicking??
Don't do the cherry, scan ALWAYS the sky around and above you, mantain a high SA.....otherwise you risk to be picked....its all in your hands...
You know there are so bad guys out there......take care of yourself :aok
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In the dusty halls of my mind, I remember a pick/cherry pick being the killing of an already engaged opponent.
Recently, I have noticed many noobs redefine it as any tactic that has the enemy above them, picking them off. Oh well, they are noobs...one can't expect them to learn about things they speak about. :D
For me, it is relatively simple....if you fly like a cherry...I will make cherry pie. :rofl
In all seriousness, I will generally try to ask if my help is wanted before attacking an engaged enemy. Unless it's Slappy...... :furious :aok
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In the dusty halls of my mind, I remember a pick/cherry pick being the killing of an already engaged opponent.
Recently, I have noticed many noobs redefine it as any tactic that has the enemy above them, picking them off. Oh well, they are noobs...one can't expect them to learn about things they speak about. :D
For me, it is relatively simple....if you fly like a cherry...I will make cherry pie. :rofl
In all seriousness, I will generally try to ask if my help is wanted before attacking an engaged enemy. Unless it's Slappy...... :furious :aok
You have the distinct honor, in 6+ years of AH, of being the only person that had me seeing red and frothing at the mount after being "picked" ... I wanted him SOOOO bad and I was just one or two turns away from getting my wish.
He had me pinned for more than 7-10 mintues and each time I evaded, I got a little bit closer to bringing the fight to a even ground.
:furious :devil
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I have been away for a few months and perhaps my experiences thus far, upon my return, are merely anecdotal but:
I was cruising at about 8K(too lazy to grab much higher) towards a friendly base under attack by cv planes. As I fly past the cv I spy an enemy con,grabbing off the cv, at about 5k. The enemy is almost directly in my flight path. I nose down and vector for intercept. Right before I get into gun range(for my poor aim that's 400 yards for a fighter) the corsair sees me and tries to evade by a split S. I chop throttle, roll onto my back, and pull for the shot. The hog goes out of sight under my nose(relative to the nose, we are inverted) but I felt I had good lead so I pull the trigger. BOOM, kill. The dead guy then gets on a 200 rant how it was a cheap pick and is "that all I 've got?"
That was a pick?
Scenario 2:
Alone I fly to an enemy base where bad guys were upping to vulch a nearby firendly base. I arrive at about 7k, spy a 110 on the deck who is heading for a friendly cv.(no uppers at our cv). I drop down and he gives away his evasive very early by tilting his wing left. I cheat to his left as I approach and sure enough, he breaks hard left to avoid. Easy shot, BOOM, kill. I zoom back up, and arrive at the base in good shape back at almost 8k now. Several bad guys have upped and are in assorted positions but all below me. I am the only friendly in the sector. A fight ensues where several cons try to kill me but I kill them all, holding My E. all except the smart one in a 109 who flies away to grab as I am engaged. It's no less that 1 vs 7. In the mean time, with the vulch busted, friendlies finally arrive and the fight is now over the bad guy's base. I get one more kill and then land at the cv, out of ammo. One guy says: "Nice picks, you can't do anything else."
I was alone against these guys.These were picks?
I've noticed in the arena that very few of the masses seem to understand the value of E retention. After merge, with the requisite HO attempt, they either keep going or go into a hard break turn. Naturally, my counter is to go up and then have my way with them. I've had more than one person tell me I'm picking when I do this.
This is now considered picking?
In the past, the definition of picking was killing a guy who was already engaged with one or more other cons. For instance, Scca's thread. His story is a clear sotry of a pick, IMHO.
Has the definition changed?
Picking is the same as a HO, its always THEIR fault!!
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Good pilots do these things all the time. We rarely have assigned wingmen in the MA so every friendly con is a potential wingman. Virtually all wingman tactics, especially those I just outlined, are about manipulating the enemy in such a way as to make him more vulnerable to attack from another, in short, setting him up to be cherry picked.
In general yes for the main furballs I agree and I'll try clear any countrymans six if he looks to be in trouble or asks.. But if your obviously 1 v 1 with someone and they are enjoying the dual as much as you are and another drops in without asking first for a easy kill that's a pick imho.
<S>...-Gixer
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In general yes for the main furballs I agree and I'll try clear any countrymans six if he looks to be in trouble or asks.. But if your obviously 1 v 1 with someone and they are enjoying the dual as much as you are and another drops in without asking first for a easy kill that's a pick imho.
<S>...-Gixer
Ya, I'm a throwback that way too. If I see a 1v1 I'll ask if my teammate needs help and only jump in with an affirmative answer.
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Ya, I'm a throwback that way too. If I see a 1v1 I'll ask if my teammate needs help and only jump in with an affirmative answer.
I got chewed out once for not helping a team mate in a 1v1. From my view, it looked like it was a good fight and I didn't want to ruin it so I stayed out, just watching. After my team mate died, he immediately started calling me a spy because I watched and <S> the other guy for what appeared to be a good fight between him and my team mate. I tried to explain to my team mate that if he had asked for some help, I would have engaged to make the other guy break off to allow my team mate to regroup and re-engage but I wouldn't have shot down the other guy as I would have felt I was stealing the kill from my team mate that was working hard for it. My answer didn't satisfy him and he continued with the crap talk so I switched sides and hunted him all night long until he logged.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't sometimes.
ack-ack
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Scenario 1: Bounce
Scenario 2: Beating
No picks in these two accounts.
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I pick ^_^ I don't care! if people got bad SA it's their problem. I usually fly with a wingman going vs equal or more enemy in a furball area. I use drag'n'bag tactic a lot. Let say my wingman and I cappin an enemy air field. 2 of us v. a bunch of baddies.
My wingman would just bnz in and out, and I'd just sit about 2k above him watching. If anyone dumb enough to follow him back up when he zoom up for converting his E to alt, I'll dive in and pick em off. It works pretty well for me sometime I pick off 2-3 guys in 1 pass as they hang at 100 knts on the rope. Though they do get ruff on 200 after that ^_^ but it's not my issue, that they allowed themself to get into that situation.
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You have the distinct honor, in 6+ years of AH, of being the only person that had me seeing red and frothing at the mount after being "picked" ... I wanted him SOOOO bad and I was just one or two turns away from getting my wish.
He had me pinned for more than 7-10 mintues and each time I evaded, I got a little bit closer to bringing the fight to a even ground.
:furious :devil
As I said at the time....he called "guns free" and said to come in if I wanted. Did feel bad for you....felt good to help a countryman tho. :) I will purchase an adult beverage for you at the convention. :D
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Not to worry Steve. Del and I go bounced by a high Ki-84 yesterday. He missed on the first pass as we both reacted by turning into it. While this was going on, a high 51 came into the fight. I lost a rudder but kept going. The Ki 84 lost his alt and any advantage and Del killed him while I was following him down. The 51 ran off.
Immediately the comment came over 200 commenting on how Del and I ganged him. If a 2 V 2 where the other guys start with the E and the alt, ends up with me being a ganger, I kinda figure the definitions are skewed these days. Write it off to the summer influx :)
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Not to worry Steve. Del and I go bounced by a high Ki-84 yesterday. He missed on the first pass as we both reacted by turning into it. While this was going on, a high 51 came into the fight. I lost a rudder but kept going. The Ki 84 lost his alt and any advantage and Del killed him while I was following him down. The 51 ran off.
Immediately the comment came over 200 commenting on how Del and I ganged him. If a 2 V 2 where the other guys start with the E and the alt, ends up with me being a ganger, I kinda figure the definitions are skewed these days. Write it off to the summer influx :)
thats to funny,
ya allot of MA traffic is lame but there are still great people in there that love the fight.
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Immediately the comment came over 200 commenting on how Del and I ganged him. If a 2 V 2 where the other guys start with the E and the alt, ends up with me being a ganger, I kinda figure the definitions are skewed these days. Write it off to the summer influx :)
Dan....It's probably just "loser's myopia". :)
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If anyone knows my squad they know when there's one me109 around, there's gona be a few more behind.
Myself, Kill3m, TilDeath, ZooZoo reguarly fly and cover each others 6's, but we do have a rule of thumb, one on one your on your own.
Helps develop fighter tactics and situational awareness. Only time I ever break from this is when I see someone I dont know dogfighting someone
or even two at a time and I ask him for help over vox range, this generally lets me know if he needs help.
I have a few one on ones with betty and others that ended well even with friendlies trying to dive in for the "pick" however
it ruins a good one on one because now the other person is damaged or killed by the sneaky help.
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From trainers.hitechcreations.com (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/abbreviations/abbreviations.htm)
cherry (pick) - Attacking an enemy already engaged with another plane
Any alternate definition is pollution from ignorant n00bs, or from other games.