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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: infowars on July 11, 2008, 11:43:26 AM
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Anyway last night I was flying to a sector that had a large bar. I spotted a NIK at about 18k, I was just about co-alt to it so I turned into engage him. He obviously had no clue I was there because he made no move to evade. I thought great! free kill. Considering I have like .95 perk points I was really jazzed to say the least.
So I get about D600 on his 6 and could no longer contain myself and started pumping some lead into it. I got some good hits and he still didn't acknowledge I was there. So I figured he's on auto pilot and that increased my chances for a kill... Wonderful, I thought...
Anyway so after a few more rounds I thought I saw I piece of his wing come off and he fell into a spin, like a rock I watch this guy fall. I followed him for a few K but didn't want to lose my alt so I leveled off and continued on. Sure enough I was checking my 6 and this friggen' guy was on me and closing fast. I freaked everyone out in my house because I started yelling, screaming and cussing up a storm... I couldn't shake this guy and he eventually shot me down.
I don't really have a point to this story other than I love this game and really thought that when I started playing I'd be able to dominate. But to be honest I'm glad it takes so long to become decent at this game and I just wanted to let you guys know it is a pleasure to fly and get owned by just about everyone. Thanks for the fun and I'll see ya up.
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next time, make sure he "pops" before you turn your back on him hehehehe :)
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I don't really have a point to this story other than I love this game and really thought that when I started playing I'd be able to dominate.
funny you say that.....and cudos for admitting it too! :salute
i have a friend that used to live in PA, moved to texas.....says he's gonna join as soon as he finishes the move. also insists he's gonna dominate almost everyone in a P47. i love the guy, and he's one of my best friends, but i know better.
other one is my assistant at wing HQ here in NJ. he's about 16, and says exactly what you said. he's going to join, and within 2 or 3 days will dominate.........i think he's in for a shock too. great kid though......so i don't mean any of this derogitorily.
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Fly some 109's, they'll hold their own and you'll gain more perks since the ENY is higher. That is if you want to earn some perks quicker to fly the perked planes.
Example not using the perk ENY modifier.
NIKI (5 ENY) kills a 109K4 (20 ENY) = 0.25 perks earned
109K4 (20 ENY) kills a NIKI (5 ENY) = 4.0 perks earned
And reading some of the community -> useful links (from the homepage) are really helpful. And watching Aces High film in the film viewer will aid in tactics.
http://www.aceshighmovies.com/component/option,com_docman/task,cat_view/gid,20/Itemid,27/
Don't forget about the training arena too!
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You didn't knock a piece of the wing off then. Probably got an aileron. Use zoom to check on these sort of things before you make any assumptions. And yes, the other guy was right, if you can hold a gun solution on him, shoot until it goes pop, just to be on the safe side.
As far as dominating goes...sims are harder to fly than airplanes even without the combat part thrown in. You could probably throw a WWII fighter ace in here and he'd STILL have a steep learning curve learning what a given maneuver LOOKS like and "feels" like on a computer monitor, how gunnery is going "look", and the quirks of whatever particular sim he ws flying.
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No, on second thought don't fly 109s. They're terrible planes.
:noid
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says who krusty
109E, 109F and 109G2 very capable furballers
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nice story I enjoyed it :aok If every new player could have some good posts like that our world would be better :rofl
Don't worry you will miss easy kills in some years also :D See you in the air <S>
PS : don't troll this thread with ride preferences again
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Next time you see a lone con flying straight and level, "oblivious" to the world around him, scan the air around (and above) you before you fixate on your prey. Chances are he's the bait so his buddy can catch an easy kill. Sometimes he's not, but always assume he is. Situational Awareness is your #1 priority anytime your wheels are off the ground.
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Me thinks there was a second NIKI there thinking the same thing you were.
Me also thinks, you will never dominate anything by flying at 18K
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Is there a desired alt I should reach while heading towards some action? I was in a (of course) p51d. Just curious
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Wherever you want to :aok
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Is there a desired alt I should reach while heading towards some action? I was in a (of course) p51d. Just curious
If you really want to dominate, start at 30K. You are in the right plane. You may want to try a D9 also
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Is there a desired alt I should reach while heading towards some action? I was in a (of course) p51d. Just curious
You can go to any alt you want and try to dictate the fight from an alt advantage, but I don't have the time! :D
Besides, most fights end up under 5k pretty quick. Learn to dodge the first pass or two from the high alt guys, and you'll be on even footing, and you didn't waste all that time climbing :aok
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You didn't knock a piece of the wing off then. Probably got an aileron. Use zoom to check on these sort of things before you make any assumptions. And yes, the other guy was right, if you can hold a gun solution on him, shoot until it goes pop, just to be on the safe side.
As far as dominating goes...sims are harder to fly than airplanes even without the combat part thrown in. You could probably throw a WWII fighter ace in here and he'd STILL have a steep learning curve learning what a given maneuver LOOKS like and "feels" like on a computer monitor, how gunnery is going "look", and the quirks of whatever particular sim he ws flying.
How do you use the zoom?
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HIT The "Z" key then zoom iwith the bracket key looks like "]"on your key board this one will un zoom.."["
Ijust set full zoom and toogle it on me joystick
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i will never forget, im coming into a base deep in nme territory, i see 6 cons low i drop on the last one in line, not a one of them move, i shot all of them down, they were all lined up for me,every one was AFK,i seriously think that was the hardest i have laughed at this game.
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If you really want to dominate, start at 30K. You are in the right plane. You may want to try a D9 also
Ugh,,, 51 gets a bad rap as it is..... stop this!
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If you really want to dominate, start at 30K. You are in the right plane. You may want to try a D9 also
:rofl
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Is there a desired alt I should reach while heading towards some action? I was in a (of course) p51d. Just curious
If you actually want to learn to fight ditch the P51 for now. They are far too easy to learn bad habits in. IMO if you are new to the game you should just grab a spit say a spit9 and fly into every big red dar bar you see. Don't worry about living or landing kills, just go learn how to dog fight.
Just don't stay in the spit too long, because they won't ever really challenge you to get better. They are just too easy and to get good you need to keep challenging your self with different planes. Pick the easier planes first so you don't get frustrated but soon as you start getting good in them move to a new plane.
IMO it's best to pick 1 plane each tour to fly most of that tour. That gives you enough time to learn it and get decent in it, then move to the next one. This will also allow you to learn what the other planes are capable of and that's one of the most important things you need to learn. If you know what the plane you are fighting is capable of, that lets you know how to fight them.
Just stay out of the A6M's, Huri2's and Niki's you wont learn anything in them except how to be a dweeb. Once you have flown about 5 months or so fly a tour in the Spit 1, Huri 1 or the P40E you will learn a lot in those planes but don't try it till you have a few tours experience.
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Anyway last night I was flying to a sector that had a large bar. I spotted a NIK at about 18k, I was just about co-alt to it so I turned into engage him. He obviously had no clue I was there because he made no move to evade. I thought great! free kill. Considering I have like .95 perk points I was really jazzed to say the least.
So I get about D600 on his 6 and could no longer contain myself and started pumping some lead into it. I got some good hits and he still didn't acknowledge I was there. So I figured he's on auto pilot and that increased my chances for a kill... Wonderful, I thought...
Anyway so after a few more rounds I thought I saw I piece of his wing come off and he fell into a spin, like a rock I watch this guy fall. I followed him for a few K but didn't want to lose my alt so I leveled off and continued on. Sure enough I was checking my 6 and this friggen' guy was on me and closing fast. I freaked everyone out in my house because I started yelling, screaming and cussing up a storm... I couldn't shake this guy and he eventually shot me down.
I don't really have a point to this story other than I love this game and really thought that when I started playing I'd be able to dominate. But to be honest I'm glad it takes so long to become decent at this game and I just wanted to let you guys know it is a pleasure to fly and get owned by just about everyone. Thanks for the fun and I'll see ya up.
Some tips
Convergence is important. set 275 or 300 for all guns. You want as much damage to take place in 1 spot.
Shooting distance is important. In your P51 6 x 50 cals you fired at 600. With a 300 convergence your bullet stream would look like a big X from your wing mounted guns. The nik wouldn't even have been touched because your right hand bullets would have passed safely on the left hand side of the nik. Shoot closer and hardly ever beyond 400. 300 or 200 is ideal for the convergence's above.
Uncheck stall limiter in option flight. It's like training wheels on a babies bike. You'll turn better.
Stick bounce can wast alot of ammo or dump you into a tree :furious Smooth that out with a little damping in map controllers.
When you get time read up on the home page advantages and disadvantage of each plane. Then apply that knowledge in your fights.
:salute
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Some tips
Convergence is important. set 275 or 300 for all guns. You want as much damage to take place in 1 spot.
Shooting distance is important. In your P51 6 x 50 cals you fired at 600. With a 300 convergence your bullet stream would look like a big X from your wing mounted guns. The nik wouldn't even have been touched because your right hand bullets would have passed safely on the left hand side of the nik. Shoot closer and hardly ever beyond 400. 300 or 200 is ideal for the convergence's above.
Uncheck stall limiter in option flight. It's like training wheels on a babies bike. You'll turn better.
Stick bounce can wast alot of ammo or dump you into a tree :furious Smooth that out with a little damping in map controllers.
When you get time read up on the home page advantages and disadvantage of each plane. Then apply that knowledge in your fights.
:salute
I disagree with that but I'm not a big 50 cal fan, 50 cal's will go a long distance. I'd set them at least out to 350. Hell even in my K4 with the 30mm tatter my convergence is set at 350. You can always easily adjust your fire to hit a close plane with a long convergence, but it's much harder to adjust and hit a target at a longer distance if your convergence is set too close.
When dog fighting you don't get that many 200ft shots most are going to be 300ft to 400ft, especially in something like a pony that isn't a turn & burn plane.
btw infowars, if you don't know how to set the convergence. It's simple while in the hanger hit the "convergence" button on the clipboard then just drag them out or in but defiantly put them all at the same point, no matter if it's short or long.
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Anyway last night I was flying to a sector that had a large bar. I spotted a NIK at about 18k, I was just about co-alt to it so I turned into engage him. He obviously had no clue I was there because he made no move to evade. I thought great! free kill. Considering I have like .95 perk points I was really jazzed to say the least.
So I get about D600 on his 6 and could no longer contain myself and started pumping some lead into it. I got some good hits and he still didn't acknowledge I was there. So I figured he's on auto pilot and that increased my chances for a kill... Wonderful, I thought...
Anyway so after a few more rounds I thought I saw I piece of his wing come off and he fell into a spin, like a rock I watch this guy fall. I followed him for a few K but didn't want to lose my alt so I leveled off and continued on. Sure enough I was checking my 6 and this friggen' guy was on me and closing fast. I freaked everyone out in my house because I started yelling, screaming and cussing up a storm... I couldn't shake this guy and he eventually shot me down.
I don't really have a point to this story other than I love this game and really thought that when I started playing I'd be able to dominate. But to be honest I'm glad it takes so long to become decent at this game and I just wanted to let you guys know it is a pleasure to fly and get owned by just about everyone. Thanks for the fun and I'll see ya up.
The third paragraph had me hooked into thinking this was another whiney "plane-overmodeled" or "player-cheaten-bastage" post -- but (thankfully) I was wrong. Bravo on the fourth paragraph!
I think Dedalos has it right:
Me thinks there was a second NIKI there thinking the same thing you were.
Sounds like you were fixated on the first Nik and didn't see his wingman (who was much too late to save his buddy, the useless bastage). He simply made you pop before his buddy hit the ground.
One thing no one has mentioned yet is to film your sorties occasionally (alt-R to record). If you had filmed the sortie, you could have found out for sure if it was a second Nik or whether you did something that lost you so much speed it allowed him to close in on you. It is a good learning tool for matters like that.
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Infowars,
Thanks for clearing my 6 last night. I had a hoard of about 4-5 bishops trailing my 190F-8 just NE of A83, and you came down in your P-51D and shot down the lead bandit. :aok I said "thanks for clearing my 6! Don't turn around," as I could see that your energy state was only a bit higher than theirs. But you turned anyway! Well, that's how you learn. :cool:
Couple of tips about the P-51D:
1. You want to start with more energy than your targets. That means faster or higher.
2. No matter what you've read or seen in documentaries, the P-51D is not able to out-turn most of its targets. Turning=Slow=Dead.
Keep it up.
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Couple of tips about the P-51D:
1. You want to start with more energy than your targets. That means faster or higher.
2. No matter what you've read or seen in documentaries, the P-51D is not able to out-turn most of its targets. Turning=Slow=Dead.
http://www.mediafire.com/?xlh9wxslw1t (http://www.mediafire.com/?xlh9wxslw1t)
:noid
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Well done. You certainly did not win that fight by simply out-turning your opponent. :aok
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Have to disagree with you crockett. I set my guns to 200yds convergence, and it's rare I don't get at least a snapshot at that range.
info,
The best advice is this: You can listen to recommendations on this plane and that plane all you want, but ultimately it all comes down to what YOU want to fly, and how YOU learn (personally, I almost never climb out of my Corsair).
It's unfair to say that certain planes are bad to learn in because they "only teach bad habits." This is NOT true. They only teach "dweeby" behavior because that's all the pilot wants to get out of it. The P-51 is a difficult aircraft to learn how to fight effectively in, so most P-51 pilots don't bother to learn, and instead spend all their time sitting on high perches and run at the slightest glimpse of a co-alt Con 5k out. Because they don't want to take a little more time and effort. Most new pilots see the four 20mm cannon and massive ammo load of the N1K2 and decide to spend all their time shooting people in the face, because they don't want to bother learning that the N1K is far more formidable than as just a HO machine (and 99% of the time, the guys who hop into a Nikki and don't do anything but HO very quickly end up spinning into the ground in pieces, because their opponent was smart enough not to play their game and reversed them, which they had no idea how to counter because they don't bother learning how to do more THAN HO).
Some guys, as crockett suggested, learn better by diving into a swarm of red and getting shot down if five seconds. However there's other resources available to new pilots as well, especially the Training Arena where you can arrange one-on-one time with a trainer, or someone who specializes in the plane you want to fly. IMO this is the better option, because you have on-hand advice on what you're doing right and wrong that unless you ALREADY know what you're looking for, just diving into a furball won't tell you.
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I disagree with that but I'm not a big 50 cal fan, 50 cal's will go a long distance. I'd set them at least out to 350. Hell even in my K4 with the 30mm tatter my convergence is set at 350. You can always easily adjust your fire to hit a close plane with a long convergence, but it's much harder to adjust and hit a target at a longer distance if your convergence is set too close.
Admittedly there is some merit in what you say especially with that 30mm ballistic drop. It would make sense to push that convergence out a little further to counter the "drop" in a high speed firing turn. I have my Yak cannon 25 yards further out than the wings guns.
I use the F6f alot with 6x50's convergence set to 275. My kill zone is typically 200 to 300 yards. The 50's fly fairly flat and straight. The disadvantage, for want of a better expression, is you need to hold hits on target a little longer than cannon planes. Hence the need to get closer in for effective damage in the shortest period possible.
New guys in general have an instinct to fire at wildly ridiculous distances. Some will push the convergence out to the max to compensate and some will actually be successful with the spray and prey, at distances none of us would even attempt. By encouraging the new guys to shoot closer with a convergence suited to the ballistics the new guys will realise, at least I hope, that they have to work for the kill. Having said that it is only right to say "each to their own", Meaning some folk are well suited to getting, in my opinion, long distance kills and have their convergence set to reflect their preferred ability.
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Yaks have wing guns now?
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lol I ain't long been up after a good sesh.....cowl guns is correct.
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:lol fair enough
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I well remember a time when I had the convergance of my Spit 1 guns set out at 600! :rofl :rofl
3 Months of no kills before I set it closer hehehe
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Admittedly there is some merit in what you say especially with that 30mm ballistic drop. It would make sense to push that convergence out a little further to counter the "drop" in a high speed firing turn. I have my Yak cannon 25 yards further out than the wings guns.
I use the F6f alot with 6x50's convergence set to 275. My kill zone is typically 200 to 300 yards. The 50's fly fairly flat and straight. The disadvantage, for want of a better expression, is you need to hold hits on target a little longer than cannon planes. Hence the need to get closer in for effective damage in the shortest period possible.
New guys in general have an instinct to fire at wildly ridiculous distances. Some will push the convergence out to the max to compensate and some will actually be successful with the spray and prey, at distances none of us would even attempt. By encouraging the new guys to shoot closer with a convergence suited to the ballistics the new guys will realise, at least I hope, that they have to work for the kill. Having said that it is only right to say "each to their own", Meaning some folk are well suited to getting, in my opinion, long distance kills and have their convergence set to reflect their preferred ability.
Yea I can see what you are saying, but I've always set my convergence out to around 300 to 350 in pretty much every plane. As I said I don't fly 50 cal planes like the P47 or P51 very often. I'd think those planes are more of a BnZ plane so to me It's a want to be able to fire as far out as I could not wanting saddle up and slow down for the kill. Seems like keeping your speed is extremely important in those planes.
I do however fly the P40E and the Spit1/Huri 1 from time to time and my convergence is set at 350 in al those. In those planes, most of the kills come in the 200ish range I still think it's important to be able to shoot a little farther because most other planes will easily out run you. On the flip side even with convergence set out @ 350 I still don't have much issues killing planes at closer ranges.
Just seems to me the having the convergence set out further gives you more opportunity to get the kill and doesn't limit you as much. It also doesn't mean you spray and pray because I do very little of that. I'm big on not shooting unless I think I can hit the target.
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I well remember a time when I had the convergance of my Spit 1 guns set out at 600! :rofl :rofl
3 Months of no kills before I set it closer hehehe
well now that's pushing it a bit.. :lol
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You guys are great, I'm having a blast learning how to fight is these planes. Its hard not to turn around and fight, I guess that's why it pays to know not only yours but the enemies plane too.
I started flying the P51 for obvious reasons and I'm now starting after weeks to see an improvement in my kill ratio, should I start on a new plane now or master the P51 first
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thanks
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Just fly what ever plane you choose until you feel comfortable in it. When you are starting out, it's rougher because you have a lot more to learn than just the plane. So you are probably better off sticking mainly to one plane. Then again I jumped around a lot when I first started. I think I have a similar post to your about the p38's when I first started. I was gonna be some mad p38 god but after getting killed way too much I changed to easier planes to learn in (spit9), then went back to the 38's later to learn them. Now I'm not as much of a fan of the 38's but still fly them several times a tour, I'm liking the 109's these days.
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next time, make sure he "pops" before you turn your back on him hehehehe :)
what he said..
ive had the same scenario where i plug a guy who is AFK at ~20k...
only to later get an ASSIST because some no talent bellybutton clown shot up the spiraling smoking corpse on its way down. :furious :furious
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How about this:
I think it was maybe my second or third month in the game, and I had a tough high-altitude (right about at 15k) in an F4U-1 vs a 109K-4 (this was back before the F4Us were upgraded and I got my 1A). After a prolonged looping/turning fight I finally got a good shot that took his wing completely off (visually confirmed). The 109 didn't bail and decided to ride his wreckage all the way down. I got HOed by a dweeb in a Spixteen and got PK'ed about 2-3 minutes later, before the 109 hit the ground (we were THAT high up. I could still see him tumbling out of the sky right before my screen went black!). I never got the kill on that 109. :furious :furious :furious
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Anyway last night I was flying to a sector that had a large bar. I spotted a NIK at about 18k, I was just about co-alt to it so I turned into engage him. He obviously had no clue I was there because he made no move to evade. I thought great! free kill. Considering I have like .95 perk points I was really jazzed to say the least.
So I get about D600 on his 6 and could no longer contain myself and started pumping some lead into it. I got some good hits and he still didn't acknowledge I was there. So I figured he's on auto pilot and that increased my chances for a kill... Wonderful, I thought...
Anyway so after a few more rounds I thought I saw I piece of his wing come off and he fell into a spin, like a rock I watch this guy fall. I followed him for a few K but didn't want to lose my alt so I leveled off and continued on. Sure enough I was checking my 6 and this friggen' guy was on me and closing fast. I freaked everyone out in my house because I started yelling, screaming and cussing up a storm... I couldn't shake this guy and he eventually shot me down.
I don't really have a point to this story other than I love this game and really thought that when I started playing I'd be able to dominate. But to be honest I'm glad it takes so long to become decent at this game and I just wanted to let you guys know it is a pleasure to fly and get owned by just about everyone. Thanks for the fun and I'll see ya up.
Yup, never get target-fixated, otherwise you're next on the pan... Also what the heck were you doing at 18k in a N1k2?? You dont have to climb that high to find a fight in anything let alone a n1k.
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what he said..
ive had the same scenario where i plug a guy who is AFK at ~20k...
only to later get an ASSIST because some no talent bellybutton clown shot up the spiraling smoking corpse on its way down. :furious :furious
Took lots of talent to just smoke the afk guy ehh? :rofl :rofl :rofl
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isn't there a sign on the tail of the plane that says AFK?? that way you wont accidently shoot them down without giving them a chance?.........
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Took lots of talent to just smoke the afk guy ehh? :rofl :rofl :rofl
thats his fault not mine..
not quite the same as smattering a smoking 1 winged bogey as it falls to earth with the sole intention of stealing the kill.
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Took lots of talent to just smoke the afk guy ehh? :rofl :rofl :rofl
ZING!!! Sup bud, where you been lately?