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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Charon on July 11, 2008, 05:45:32 PM
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I think this video perfectly explains, more so than any use of text, what the Founders intended by well regulated militia.
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B89249D38176127D430664BA14315E71?displayContent=171268
Pretty good for an 11 year old girl. I can't recall if I was ever that fast
Charon
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I think this video perfectly explains, more so than any use of text, what the Founders intended by well regulated militia.
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B89249D38176127D430664BA14315E71?displayContent=171268
Pretty good for an 11 year old girl. I can't recall if I was ever that fast
Charon
she didn't do a complete function check but very impressive!
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(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/007rusty/salute.gif)
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Every Citizen, a well regulated Militia of one.
:salute,
Wab
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Belch , completely disgusting.
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?? Even at 11yo I would have found that a thing of beauty..
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Absolutely amazing. Good for her, respecting the weapon is one of the utmost importance. WTFG MacKenzie!
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Belch , completely disgusting.
Sorry there couldn't have been a white flag waving involved for your benefit :)
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Sorry there couldn't have been a white flag waving involved for your benefit :)
Touchdown!!!! Notice the excellent use of camouflage.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/Masherbrum/ist2_1196258_referee_touchdown.jpg)
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Every Citizen, a well regulated Militia of one.
Tagline material.
Hell .thats T-Shirt material
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OK lets see her do it blind folded and include the handguard removal plus a full functional check.
Seriously though, not too bad for an 11 year old :salute
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OK lets see her do it blind folded and include the handguard removal plus a full functional check.
Seriously though, not too bad for an 11 year old :salute
That's what I was thinking considering this is one of the things I teach for a living
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This just shows that we need a simpler, better designed weapon.
Should be 2 steps max for taking it apart and back together.
I like simple things :)
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This just shows that we need a simpler, better designed weapon.
Should be 2 steps max for taking it apart and back together.
I like simple things :)
well considering the bolt carrier has at least 4 steps for a simple breakdown (i didn't see her take apart the extracter) that's a little TOO simple. The m16 isn't that hard to take apart.
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well considering the bolt carrier has at least 4 steps for a simple breakdown (i didn't see her take apart the extracter) that's a little TOO simple. The m16 isn't that hard to take apart.
Yeah, still pretty good for a 11 year old.
Lets see her do that with a real mans weapon, like an M1 Garand!
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Yeah, still pretty good for a 11 year old.
Lets see her do that with a real mans weapon, like an M1 Garand!
Would probably require a little more upper body strength. I recall the spring on the Garand to be killer....sometimes shooting across the room.
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Sorry there couldn't have been a white flag waving involved for your benefit :)
very funny coming from a guy whose handle mean arse hole and is a synonym of cobarde :D
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Belch , completely disgusting.
I totally agree. Anyone who would teach their child that has some serious issues. She should be out being a kid in the tire swing or something. Not learning how to put together an assault rifle! What's wrong with you guys man? I'm all for gun rights but guns don't belong in the hands of children.
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I find very strange for an male adult to be fascinated by a not nubile girl.
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:huh
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I'm all for gun rights but guns don't belong in the hands of children.
With close adult supervision, why not? What is a better time to learn about guns and gun safety than from one's parents?
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a .22 or a 410 is one thing but I think a AR-15 is a wee bit over the top. The girl is 11yrs old.
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Dad sounded so proud. :rofl
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I started teaching my kids when they were 8-9 years old. They've handled, cleaned and fired almost every weapon I own. The only ones they haven't fired are my large bore hunting rifles, 30-06, .308, 7mm. My daughter was 9 the first time she fired my AR-15. My son was 10 when he asked if he could try my 12 gauge.
I've raised my kids around guns, I've NEVER told them they couldn't hold them, or look at them, as long as I am there with them. They know that they are NOT to touch them if I'm not there.
There is NOTHING wrong with teaching a child about guns. In fact it's the most responsible thing you can do if you own guns and have kids. Teach them young, and teach them right and then you wont have to worry about accidents, they wont be curious about them and go sneaking into you guns when your not looking.
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well hornet, i see where you're coming from and i agree with you. but the way that 11 year old handles that weapon just seems.....well scary. she does that like a Marine. i got 2 boys that go huntin' with me. 9yr carrys a pellet gun and the 12ys has a 20ga. but when i start teaching them to break down a m60 in 14 sec. the wife will come unglued! :lol
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I started teaching my kids when they were 8-9 years old. They've handled, cleaned and fired almost every weapon I own. The only ones they haven't fired are my large bore hunting rifles, 30-06, .308, 7mm. My daughter was 9 the first time she fired my AR-15. My son was 10 when he asked if he could try my 12 gauge.
I've raised my kids around guns, I've NEVER told them they couldn't hold them, or look at them, as long as I am there with them. They know that they are NOT to touch them if I'm not there.
There is NOTHING wrong with teaching a child about guns. In fact it's the most responsible thing you can do if you own guns and have kids. Teach them young, and teach them right and then you wont have to worry about accidents, they wont be curious about them and go sneaking into you guns when your not looking.
Exactly the right thing to do. for exactly the right reasons IMO.
And I dont even own a gun.
By making it a forbidden fruit.
You only ask for trouble
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Belch , completely disgusting.
because?
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I started teaching my kids when they were 8-9 years old. They've handled, cleaned and fired almost every weapon I own. The only ones they haven't fired are my large bore hunting rifles, 30-06, .308, 7mm. My daughter was 9 the first time she fired my AR-15. My son was 10 when he asked if he could try my 12 gauge.
I've raised my kids around guns, I've NEVER told them they couldn't hold them, or look at them, as long as I am there with them. They know that they are NOT to touch them if I'm not there.
There is NOTHING wrong with teaching a child about guns. In fact it's the most responsible thing you can do if you own guns and have kids. Teach them young, and teach them right and then you wont have to worry about accidents, they wont be curious about them and go sneaking into you guns when your not looking.
And it's a solid bet none of your kids will end up on the nightly news for accidentaly killing a friend when they found Dad's guns.
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well hornet, i see where you're coming from and i agree with you. but the way that 11 year old handles that weapon just seems.....well scary. she does that like a Marine. i got 2 boys that go huntin' with me. 9yr carrys a pellet gun and the 12ys has a 20ga. but when i start teaching them to break down a m60 in 14 sec. the wife will come unglued! :lol
Well her dad probably is a Marine or something. My son can break down my AR-15 like that. He asked me how I learned to do it so fast and I told him I learned in the Army. He asked me to teach him, so I did and he's pretty darn quick now. I haven't gotten him to try it blind folded yet, but one of these days I'll hit him with it. I had to do it blind, so will he. 1 minute to disassemble and 2 minutes to put it back together. It's been so long since I did it I would probably have a hard time with it so I need to practice :D
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Yeah, still pretty good for a 11 year old.
Lets see her do that with a real mans weapon, like an M1 Garand!
Hell, I can barely hold up for the garand. But field stripping it is fun.
Still, my favorite to do is the 1911.
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surrender monkeys and metrosexuals are all atwitter at this... toooo frigging bad.
My first handgun was when I was nine. any 11 year old can handle a ar15 (not an assault rifle btw) it has little or no recoil. I have never even taken an Ar down. I would let her show me. It would give her a sense of pride in accomplishment and some interaction with adults. Probly you metrosexuals and your-0-peeeans would rather she open up a my space account and talk to perverts across the globe.
Shooting sports are demanding and get you outdoors and you will meet some of the best people on the earth out there.. not like the aholes you meet at a paris cafe or in a new york taxi.
lazs
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man! I am getting hammered in here tonight :frown:
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a .22 or a 410 is one thing but I think a AR-15 is a wee bit over the top. The girl is 11yrs old.
Why? Does the AR-15 have some special form of mind control powers that will cause her to go on a killing spree? Residue from the relentless, virtually fact-free gun control assault on military style semi-automatic rifles from nanny state politicians and the media?
Her and her father have made a fun challenge out of an involved process -- something that tests manual dexterity. And she does a good job (probably even beats dad) and is proud of her success and the approval from her father. What's wrong with that? It's probably her gun anyway and what better way to get involved in the maintenance.
Not that's I'd ever give my son an AR-15 when he's 11. I already bought the M1 Carbine and maybe a CMP Garand too. And if he likes to quickly disassemble and assemble the carbine he can do mine, while he's at it, and then see how fast he can get the fouling out :) He's 2 now, and while he's not into shooting yet he is enamored with the lawn mowing process -- another tradition I plan on encouraging and passing along to him at about age 11 or 12. Go son go, mow that lawn :)
Charon
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a .22 or a 410 is one thing but I think a AR-15 is a wee bit over the top. The girl is 11yrs old.
BS. LMAO
The AR-15 is nothing more than a .223. Not much more recoil than an air rifle for Christ`s sake.
A great gun for someone her age to learn to shoot with. No recoil, light, small.
I was shooting side by side 12s and 06s at that age.
Give me a friggen break.
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ok! ok! I give up already. I just find it strange that a 11 year old girl can shuck a machine gun down like rambo. I bet you guys wear cammo drawers too. :rofl
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ok! ok! I give up already. I just find it strange that a 11 year old girl can shuck a machine gun down like rambo. I bet you guys wear cammo drawers too. :rofl
Don't have daughter, have 2 sisters and 5 nieces though. You cannot teach anyone enough about guns and self-defense to be genuinely useful unless they genuinely want to learn. It is not like changing the oil in your car every so often. The girl in question is substantially less likely to be raped and strangled with her own pantyhose than many women-were I her father, this fact would make me happy. It is a shame that women are less interested in guns and knives than men. They are smaller and weaker, and thus the favored targets of the predatory class, they NEED an equalizer more.
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ok! ok! I give up already. I just find it strange that a 11 year old girl can shuck a machine gun down like rambo. I bet you guys wear cammo drawers too. :rofl
I didn't watch the clip, I thought it was just an AR-15? Did she also work with a machine gun? A Browning .30 or .50 cal? Since the AR-15 isn't a machine gun, must have been something like that I guess.
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ok! ok! I give up already. I just find it strange that a 11 year old girl can shuck a machine gun down like rambo. I bet you guys wear cammo drawers too. :rofl
Its not a machine gun, its a semi auto rifle that fires a varmint round.
And you wonder why your getting beat up?
You are sharing an opinion with the French guy in the thread! Granted Straffo is a cool, but he is still French! ;)
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I find very strange for an male adult to be fascinated by a not nubile girl.
:cry Those aren't tears.. I actualy snorted what I was drinking..
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ok! ok! I give up already. I just find it strange that a 11 year old girl can shuck a machine gun down like rambo.
What friggen machine gun?
I bet you guys wear cammo drawers too.
Only on holidays and special occasions.
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I totally agree. Anyone who would teach their child that has some serious issues. She should be out being a kid in the tire swing or something. Not learning how to put together an assault rifle! What's wrong with you guys man? I'm all for gun rights but guns don't belong in the hands of children.
IIRC there were 14 year olds in the Revolutionary Army serving with George?
Many USED to begin teach their children about firearms as early as 6?
Yea it was some time ago but it did happen..........
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ok! ok! I give up already. I just find it strange that a 11 year old girl can shuck a machine gun down like rambo. I bet you guys wear cammo drawers too. :rofl
Machine gun????
You saw a Machine gun?
Where?
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Lets see her do that with a real mans weapon, like an M1 Garand!
Or a M-14 :noid
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IIRC there were 14 year olds in the Revolutionary Army serving with George?
Many USED to begin teach their children about firearms as early as 6?
Yea it was some time ago but it did happen..........
My father entrusted me with a .22 rifle on my 7th birthday. He taught me how to shoot and maintain it, and left it in my care with a few boxes of ammo. I decided to keep it under my bed.
Some 30 years later asked him about that - like what was his reasoning (btw nothing bad ever happened, I grew up to be a very avid & responsible gun owner). He explained "Well son it's like when you see the mama bird push the baby bird out of the nest - there comes a time when you have to fly on your own".
It used to be that 7 years old was "the age of reason". Times have changed...
Incidentally this was in Canada, back in the days when a rifle was seen as "just another fishing rod".
It completely amazes me how effectively the media has brainwashed people into being terrified of firearms.
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I wonder if her Dad also taught her to walk right in front of a gun too?
It just shows what kind of respect she has learned.
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I wonder if her Dad also taught her to walk right in front of a gun too?
It just shows what kind of respect she has learned.
I noticed that. But since the gun was lying on a table with no one touching it, and it had just been field stripped and the bolt was locked to the rear with no magazine inserted (can't tell if she also put the safety on, since it's on the other side) -- it figured it didn't much matter. Kinda like walking in front of a parked car. I walk in front of my guns all the time when performing maintenance. The barrel even sweeps my head at various times. There are common sense limits to the four rules, or you wouldn't ever clean your weapon.
Charon
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If that girl works real hard building her shooting skills and applies herself someday she might just give the Whistler girls a run for their money.
http://www.odcmp.org/0806/default.asp?page=WB
Charon
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She is well on her way. There are a few videos of her out at the range. Even though she is only 11 she does an alright job. The one thing that impressed me where her clearing drills. I have seen officers with 15 plus years of experience, completely lose their composer when they have a malfunction. While she is still pretty slow, she gets the weapon back into action. The reality is, she can only improve with time. If this is her at 11, think of what she could be 10 years from now..
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B89249D38176127D430664BA14315E71?displayContent=171379&page=1
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B89249D38176127D430664BA14315E71?displayContent=171380&page=2
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B89249D38176127D430664BA14315E71?displayContent=171378&page=2
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a .22 or a 410 is one thing but I think a AR-15 is a wee bit over the top. The girl is 11yrs old.
AR-15 actually IS a .22(3)
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She is well on her way. There are a few videos of her out at the range. Even though she is only 11 she does an alright job. The one thing that impressed me where her clearing drills. I have seen officers with 15 plus years of experience, completely lose their composer when they have a malfunction. While she is still pretty slow, she gets the weapon back into action. The reality is, she can only improve with time. If this is her at 11, think of what she could be 10 years from now..
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B89249D38176127D430664BA14315E71?displayContent=171379&page=1
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B89249D38176127D430664BA14315E71?displayContent=171380&page=2
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B89249D38176127D430664BA14315E71?displayContent=171378&page=2
don't care what anyone thinks...that little girl is impressive.
questions though? what kind of gun was she shooting? it seemed that she was having a lot of problems with it for some reason?
and what was the purpose of her spinning in a circle after she reloaded, right before she reholstrered? i didn't notice the guy next to her do anything except to re-holster
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It looked like a Glock. Most likely she was having so many problems because of a "limp wrist" issue. Even so, she did a good job of over coming so many FTF's. I think the limp wrist issue is going to be a problem for her until she is strong enough to manage the recoil. I noticed a lot of muzzle rise when she shoots. I am guessing that is only a 9mm. Even so, her little hands and her small size, make a 9mm bounce like a .45.
As for spinning, I can only guess that is some sort of 360 security drill she has learned that she was practicing. We teach a similar tactic at the SD range here.
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because?
I find very strange for an male adult to be fascinated by a not nubile girl.
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One of my fondest Memories is of my Father and Grandfather telling me on Friday that I will be getting up early (6AM) and I will be going with them Hunting that Saturday. I was 7 years old. I was told I would not have a shotgun but I would in the future. I was to be taught the proper way of handling a Firearm....to respect nature and appreciate the outdoors more then I did already. My father told me Rusty would take care of me (our Beagle) ;) I was taught how to check a firearm, how to clean it and above all respect it. I was taught by both men when to aim, when to shoot, chamber a round and so forth. If I did well enough and learned how to properly handle a firearm I would be given my own.
I still remember that Christmas Morning long ago when I woke up......Dad and Grandpa picked up a long package from under the Tree and presented me with a .410 shotgun. I'll never forget that as long as I live. I was 8 years old. That was 50 years ago. Still brings a smile and sometimes a tear to my eye when I recall that special day. Not because it was my first gun, but because my Dad and Grandfather cared enough and took the time to teach me to shoot, hunt, fish and enjoy the great outdoors during any Season. Also taught me responsibilty.
For that I will be forever grateful. Wonder if they have that for a playstation 3? :(
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bbbb.. We are not supposed to mention the "limp wrist" jam around dago.. he doesn't believe it is possible.
lazs
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One of my fondest Memories is of my Father and Grandfather telling me on Friday that I will be getting up early (6AM) and I will be going with them Hunting that Saturday. I was 7 years old. I was told I would not have a shotgun but I would in the future. I was to be taught the proper way of handling a Firearm....to respect nature and appreciate the outdoors more then I did already. My father told me Rusty would take care of me (our Beagle) ;) I was taught how to check a firearm, how to clean it and above all respect it. I was taught by both men when to aim, when to shoot, chamber a round and so forth. If I did well enough and learned how to properly handle a firearm I would be given my own.
I still remember that Christmas Morning long ago when I woke up......Dad and Grandpa picked up a long package from under the Tree and presented me with a .410 shotgun. I'll never forget that as long as I live. I was 8 years old. That was 50 years ago. Still brings a smile and sometimes a tear to my eye when I recall that special day. Not because it was my first gun, but because my Dad and Grandfather cared enough and took the time to teach me to shoot, hunt, fish and enjoy the great outdoors during any Season. Also taught me responsibilty.
For that I will be forever grateful. Wonder if they have that for a playstation 3? :(
Good read Haj. I never had that experience as I never started hunting until 1999. I grew up in a house without knives or guns allowed. I honored it until I moved out, for respect of my parents. I then bought a USP 45 and a Sig 30-06. The Sig is my hunting rifle I bought after my father in law offered to take me hunting. I put up with a lot of crap from this man prior to marriage, almost coming to blows one time. Once the wife and I were engaged, he stopped. I enjoy spending a few days in November with him up north and away from a lot of love muffines here, near Detroit. When I shot my first deer in 2000 with the new Sig, he almost broke down as I dragged the 200 lb deer out myself at dusk.
But I hope remember your pop and grandpa handing you that present for a long time. I envy you and a lot of hunters, because I'm 35 and started when I was 28.
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I still remember that Christmas Morning long ago when I woke up......Dad and Grandpa picked up a long package from under the Tree and presented me with a .410 shotgun. I'll never forget that as long as I live. I was 8 years old. That was 50 years ago.
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Same age same deal for me, except it was a .22/.410 O/U. Only difference is you're 3 years older than me :)
I was even prouder at age 10 on my birthday. My grandpa handed me down his prized "dove gun" - a beautiful 16 gauge side by side in a fitted wood case. He told me I'd already proven I could hunt like a grown man, and now deserved a man's weapon. It was one of the proudest days of my life.
A year later I really pissed my dad off when he got a new Browning 30.06, and when we went out to break it in I was able to shoot better groups at 300 yards than he could. I never could get him to give me that gun, although I told him I deserved it :devil
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Teaching anyone the proper way to handle and shoot a firearm is rewarding. Had a personal experiance with that myself yesterday. A little background.
A very good friend of mine approuched me last year and asked if I might be willing to teach his wife how to shoot. I told him sure, no propblem since I've taught several people to shoot.
(insert the sound of the Mack truck coming up behind you at 65mph) :uhoh
Heather, my friends wife, was DEATHLY afraid of guns. When she was 9 years old her older brother was shot in the back of the head and neck by her father in a hunting accident. From the details I got, her brother had wandered off during a hunt and was out of sight from everyone else. A bird was flushed and her dad took a shot at it not realizing her brother was just on the other side of some bushes that were there and got shot. To this day she still gets very emotional about the whole thing, so she had some serious baggage I had to deal with.
Well we started talking about guns last year. At first she would start crying after talking about them for maybe 10 minutes or so, and would turn into a train wreck, but she would always come back and talk to me and she kept telling me that she really wanted to get over this fear of hers. After about 6 months of just casually discussing firearms which during those conversations I was always stressing safety and having a healthy respect for guns, and assuring her that because of her experiance she would ALWAYS remember safety and that's a good thing, she finally agreed to come over to my house for a lesson.
First time she came over I had most of my guns laying on the living room floor. None of my large bore stuff, but just the weapons I would be letting her shoot at first. She was very nervous when she walked in and saw all that stuff laying there. We had a couple cups of coffee, and just sat there on the couch and talked about whatever. That first lesson I didn't even ask her to pick up a gun, I just wanted her to be in the same room with them. We did this a few more times and then one day she asked me to show her one of my pistols. That was the first time she had even held a real gun in her hand.
This type pf thing went on for the last six months and the more comfortable she got being around them the more she handled them and asked questions. I taught her how to clear the weapons, how NEVER to accept a weapon from anyone if the chamber was not opened and cleared. I taught her to break them down and clean them, discussing all the parts and what the function of each part is for. I got dummy rounds for all of them so she could practice loading and unloading them.
Yesterday everything came together for her. I took Heather to the range for the first time. I took my Ruger 10/22 and my PT-99 9mm pistol. I got on the line with my .22 and fired about 20 rounds letting her watch me so she could hear what it sounded like and see that it's not going to recoil hard. Then I let her try. I had her only load one round at a time and fire so she would be forced to clear, safe, and reload the gun after every shot. After a couple of shots she was starting to have fun with the Ruger. We went though a box of ammo and then I got my pistol out. She got very nervous at that point but she stayed right there behind me watching everything I did, even though she knows how to operate that pistol. The size of the round scarred her and she thought she wasn't going to be able to handle it.
Well I fired some rounds off, then set it on the bench and told her it was her turn. I reminded her again (for about the 100th time about propper breathing, hand placement and sight picture). She loaded 1 round, took aim and fired. Hit way low and left. The gun almost jumped out of her hand, even though I told her to expect that the first time. She cleared it set it down and walked back from the line with tears in her eyes because she was so scarred. I thought we were going to have to leave, but I kept my cool and paitence and let her take a minute to collect herself. I went over and talked to the range master and gave him anouther heads up that I was teaching a very scarred woman how to shoot and to just bear with us down on that end of the range. (those guys at the range were very cool as well. The didn't put anyone within 4 lanes of us all day :aok)
I got back to Heather and asked her if she wanted to try again or pack up and leave and thats when she got detirmined to do it again and do it right. She picked it back up, loaded a round and fired again. This time it was just a little high and left. I tapped her on the shoulder, our prearranged signal that I wanted to tell her something, so she cleared the pistol and set it down so I could talk to her. I told her I noticed her knuckels were turning white because she was gripping the thing so hard and that she needed to relax her hands just a bit. I showed her again how to properly hold the grip so she would push the gun around and told her to take anouther shot.
3rd shot of the day was a 10 ring low and right. When I saw it I kinda yelled it out a little bit and when she turned to look at me I gave her a thumbs up and said great shot!!! That's when I got the grin from her and knew she was hooked.
She ended up shooting almost 2 boxes of ammo out of a handgun she was convinced she wasn't going to be able to shoot. She caught herself a couple of times trying to anticipate the recoil and stopped, would take a deep breath and line up again and fire. Any shot she made that wasn't center mass was either a little high or a little low but ALL of them were in the vertical center of the target. After the first 2 rounds she never tossed one left or right for the rest of the day.
3 hours of range time, 100 rounds of 9mm downrange, 100 rounds of .22LR downrange and we have a brand new shooter in the club. She LOVED it!!!! She is so proud of herself for doing it and doing it right. I'm proud of her for going through with it and getting over her fear and being an outstanding student, and I'm proud of myself for keeping my patience for a year while teaching her.
After we got done she wanted to go look at guns in the store :D When we met up with Kevin, her husband, yesterday evening for dinner he asked if he could finally buy a gun to keep in the house and I had to laugh when she told him, "You can get one after you buy me a Lady Smith in 38spl. They have a really nice one at the store that I like alot." :rofl
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!! She's still a little nervouse but now she KNOWS that guns aren't evil, she can handle a weapon safely, and most of all when done right it's alot of fun. One of my best days ever at the range and I think I only fired maybe 40 rounds all day.
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Hornet well done! I wish we had more people like you, my Grandfather and Dad around who would take the time to properly expose people to firearms. They don't have to shoot them....just respect them. From the experiences you, Kelly, Jay and myself posted they would become knowledgeable about firearms, firearm safety and learn the most important point. It's not the firearm....it's the person holding it.
My oldest Son liked to shoot....but it wasn't "his thing". At least he learned about firearm safety and the responsibilty of owning one.
My youngest Son shows no interest at all. That's is ok with me. As long as he too knew that the firearm isn't responsible, it's the person who owns and uses it.
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I see a little girl that can do what I consider impressive things that MOST 11 year old boys would have trouble with......... I find her ability, effort, and accomplishments IMPRESSIVE, even ADMIRABLE! I MUST, because of what I see, extend to her some RESPECT!
Straffo IMHO no one is expressing any interest of an untoward or improper nature in this thread nothing even close to what I see in the Wednesday babe thread.
YET You Sir....
are hinting at it, and have been hinting at it repeatedly.........
Why?
Are you looking at us through something in YOUR MIND Sir?
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bbbb.. We are not supposed to mention the "limp wrist" jam around dago.. he doesn't believe it is possible.
lazs
Well, I have seen the limp wrist factor with my own two eyes and taught students to overcome the issue, I say it is a real problem. Failure to lock your wrist and maintain an even grip on the pistol can and sometimes will, lead to FTF and FTE malfunctions in light framed guns such as Glock's and XD's where felt recoil is greater.
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In a woman that knows how to fight and masters a weapon like that, there's the same beauty as in 10 tons of well oiled machinery whirring and humming away in speedy purpose, the same elegant beauty as in masters' paintings and sculptures of human form, and it's nothing like sexual attraction.
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In a woman that knows how to fight and masters a weapon like that, there's the same beauty as in 10 tons of well oiled machinery whirring and humming away in speedy purpose, the same elegant beauty as in masters' paintings and sculptures of human form, and it's nothing like sexual attraction.
EXACTLY my point!
Hmmm
Straffo seems I'm not the only one.........
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I was raised with firearms and hunting. I started shooting when I was 8yo, started with a bow when I was 7yo. I always preferred hunting and fishing for my food.
I always knew where the old mans guns were. All I had to do was ask him if I wanted to handle them.
It was just never a big deal. You never thought about it. I started my kid off at the same age and he started hunting at 9yo. Nowadays kids are taught guns are evil yet they play violent video games and the entertainment industry soaks them in cheap violence. Criminal gangstas are enabled thru their music......Sometimes this modern society baffles me. It truly baffles me.
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One of my fondest Memories is of my Father and Grandfather telling me on Friday that I will be getting up early (6AM) and I will be going with them Hunting that Saturday. I was 7 years old. I was told I would not have a shotgun but I would in the future. I was to be taught the proper way of handling a Firearm....to respect nature and appreciate the outdoors more then I did already. My father told me Rusty would take care of me (our Beagle) I was taught how to check a firearm, how to clean it and above all respect it. I was taught by both men when to aim, when to shoot, chamber a round and so forth. If I did well enough and learned how to properly handle a firearm I would be given my own.
I still remember that Christmas Morning long ago when I woke up......Dad and Grandpa picked up a long package from under the Tree and presented me with a .410 shotgun. I'll never forget that as long as I live. I was 8 years old. That was 50 years ago. Still brings a smile and sometimes a tear to my eye when I recall that special day. Not because it was my first gun, but because my Dad and Grandfather cared enough and took the time to teach me to shoot, hunt, fish and enjoy the great outdoors during any Season. Also taught me responsibilty.
For that I will be forever grateful. Wonder if they have that for a playstation 3?
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I find very strange for a male adult to be fascinated by a not nubile girl.
I missed that. I didn't see anyone expressing a sexual interest.
Are you projecting?
Or is this a "English is my second language" mistake?
Wab
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I missed that. I didn't see anyone expressing a sexual interest.
Are you projecting?
Or is this a "English is my second language" mistake?
Wab
It's not a translation error.
When I just see a bunch guys fascinated by a young girl doing something she shouldn't be able to do.
I wonder why the are so passionate and the answer is very obvious.
But it's the kind public the moderation of this BBS appreciate and encourage
Like if you are a racist guys ,narrow minded republican from Dixon you can post during years and you won't have a single warning.
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In a woman that knows how to fight and masters a weapon like that, there's the same beauty as in 10 tons of well oiled machinery whirring and humming away in speedy purpose, the same elegant beauty as in masters' paintings and sculptures of human form, and it's nothing like sexual attraction.
you should come to some civilized country where aesthetic is not made of stats ,number crushing or horsepower
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Sorry to disagree, but.. I was born and raised in France (if you forgot), and what I learned on my own (and saw confirmation for when I traveled everywhere else) was that reason and beauty were the only truly constant rationales to all things. Everything else fails to stand the test of time. And beauty is definitely just a latent sense of reason, and where there's reason there's purpose... Zappa said it really well in a slightly different perspective.
And if I may be completely frank, there's no examplarily civilized country and won't be for a while yet.
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Do you see the same beauty here ?
(http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/IMG/jpg/21-01-2.jpg)
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Beauty is everywhere, and if you can understand that perspective, you'll also understand it has nothing to do with circumstances or any childish appeal to emotion. And you're really loading the comparison. There's nothing like the girl's character and intentions in that kid, as far as the pic implies and even less in what you seem to imply. I could really go on a long tear at how wrong you are, but the simplest solution to the problem here is if you simply try and see what I meant, rather than what you want to interpret in what I said.
So far you're wrong on:
1) perceived sexual attractions to that girl flogging a firearm
2) that girl DEFINITELY should be able to do what the heck she wants without some stuck up adult giving her repressive habits
3) Lazs definitely got at least a few warnings
4) again wrong on guessing what beauty I see, specificaly not seeing how the beauty of human form and function is totaly different from some perverted innocence in africa, etc.
Another way to put it would be if I told you I found beauty in the corpse I dissected in pre med. class, and you replied flat out that it's gross and psychotic.. When I was seeing the same beauty as Da Vinci saw and put on paper. It's really not so far fetched!
Anyway, to answer your question dead-on: No, I don't see the beauty that I'd refered to in the pic you posted above. But then, you knew that.
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M00t I don't see a difference between the pict I posted and the one starting this thread.
I've the same feeling seeing both ,and it's disgusting.
you know by the way had some moron from dixon or elsewhere not posted the usual "surrender monkey" ,perhaps I will not have made a allusion to paedophilia but when I'm pissed ...
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It's only disgusting to you because in your country you don't have the same appreciation for firearms that we do here in the USA. In this country when you see a young kid able to handle a weapon like that and do so in a safe manner, hear the pride in her fathers voice at her doing a good job at something most kids these days aren't able to do, it's a good thing to see.
A vast MAJORITY of Americans are legal and responsible gun owners. That little girls father is teaching her at an early age to respect and understand her American herritage and her rights as a citizen of THIS country to keep and bear arms and to do so responisbly.
That you find it disgusting, or wrong somehow doesn't really matter. In this country it's a good thing to see and be proud of.
Also there is a HUGE differance in the pic you posted vs the video that started this thread. That little girl didn't have a gun put in her hands and told to go out and kill people. It was put in her hands to learn.
To judge us by your standards is kinda unfair don't you think? Why should we as Americans have to live up to your expectations? You have your culture, we have ours.
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"you know by the way had some moron from dixon or elsewhere not posted the usual "surrender monkey" ,perhaps I will not have made a allusion to paedophilia but when I'm pissed ..."
when you're pissed.. you become a name calling liar? I have noticed that about liberals but thanks anyway.
There is no pedophilia that I can see involved here. It may exist but... you being the one thinking about it the most.. I would say it is you.
As for these threads working you all up and all.. Maybe.. you should stay out of threads where you know nothing about the subject and more importantly... are unable to control your knee jerk reactions.. and... then get all offended when everyone laughs at you.
lazs
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Lazs ,you're my hero.
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anytime I can help....
lazs
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Dammit!!!! There goes another cup of coffee.
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Straffo , you are correct, there is very little difference between the vid and your pic. Funny how we glorify death and violence.
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M00t I don't see a difference between the pict I posted and the one starting this thread.
I've the same feeling seeing both ,and it's disgusting.
you know by the way had some moron from dixon or elsewhere not posted the usual "surrender monkey" ,perhaps I will not have made a allusion to paedophilia but when I'm pissed ...
IMHO there is a definite possibility here that you Sir are PROJECTING your hangups and prejudices upon the rest of us!
Further more you have plainly stated that you do NOT understand our reaction...
"When I just see a bunch guys fascinated by a young girl doing something she shouldn't be able to do.
I wonder why the are so passionate and the answer is very obvious."
I take it it NEVER occurred to you that our reactions is because of...
"fascinated by a young girl doing something she shouldn't be able to do."
Did it never occur to you that many grown men would have difficulty accomplishing her feat?
Many of us KNOW this! Many of us APPRECIATE this!
Therefore we express our APPRECIATION............
Then along comes some person that ATTEMPTS to cast OVERTONES of a DISGUSTING NATURE upon our reactions that simply AREN'T there!
The fact that you are.... "I'm pissed"
"perhaps I will not have made a allusion to paedophilia but when I'm pissed ..."
somehow makes it alright for you to insult so many of the people responding to this thread?
Are you truly that FULL of yourself?
Is your, IMHO TWISTED, view of our response the only one that matters?
IMHO YOU Sir are OUT OF LINE and owe several people an apology, yet I have serious doubts one will be forthcoming..................
IMHO there is a VAST difference between the picture you posted and the one that began this thread! The FACT that you can not see that difference suggest that you DON'T want to or are mental unable to.... SOOOOOOOO I will not bother even attempting to explain that difference Sir.
That fact that you APPEAR unable to distinguish the difference between them does NOT IMHO give you the right to hint at or accuse others of such a thing!
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The girl in the vid has learned a skill and is demonstrating it. Presumably she still goes to school, is well fed, is not fighting in any civil wars. Presumably, the boy in our pic is an African child-soldier who has been drafted, will be sent to fight and die, quite possibly without being as well-trained as the girl in the vid. I say "presumably", because we don't know the background of the pic. The boy COULD be a Black American child holding his father's rifle for all I know, in which case :aok
One thing I will say about the African child(?) in the pic. For whatever bad has come or will come to him in his life, he will not be infantalized well into what used to be adulthood like most American youth of today. Robbing, raping, or murdering him or his family would be considerably more difficult for the dirtbag than it is with your typical American child.
Glorifying death and violence? What rot. Is the practice of Karate, Kenjutsu, or Kali glorifying death and violence? Or playing AHII for that matter? I am fairly anti-war myself because I know war's cost is rarely worth it, but I understand that the laws of nature remain in effect for men, that self-defense is a natural bodily function that cannot be effectively delegated or suppressed without terrible consequences. The wolf has its fang, the scorpion has its sting, the elephant has its great size and tusks. Man, small, not fast, whose natural weapons can, at best on a good day, break the ribs or nose of another puny human being, has his mind, and the nimble hands to manipulate objects in his enviroment into sophisticated tools-ESPECIALLY weapons.
The fact that proto-men learned to make and kill with primitive weapons led directly to the life we live today. It is why our primary worry is the economy or politics or making the most of our "meager" ~65-90 years, instead of being eaten by lions or dying of disease before age 30. It has indeed been a Faustian bargain, with consequences, but what is alternative? Return to living in the trees and eating fruit until you get picked off by a leopard?
I have never seen what is so good about the ideal some men seem to profess, harmlessness towards any potential attacker. I'd hate to think our species fought its way to the top of the food chain only to evolve the mindset of a boneless, helpless, stingless jellyfish.
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Straffo , you are correct, there is very little difference between the vid and your pic. Funny how we glorify death and violence.
Hmmm...I saw a video of a young girl field stripping an AR 15. She'll go to school on Monday, hang out at the mall with her friends and work on her My Space page, and in short she's leading a normal life.
Then I saw a pic (I've seen that pic before) of a Somali (I think) child holding an AK 47, a child who is right in the middle of a war zone and probably DOES live with death and violence, and has been recruited fight in a civil war.
I see a world of difference in those two illustrations, and anyone that doesn't should travel to Somalia and see if there's any difference at all between our two Nations.
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Straffo , you are correct, there is very little difference between the vid and your pic. Funny how we glorify death and violence.
What is really worse ? Having your daughter aspire to be a proficient/responsible/law abiding gun owner ? Or have her worship the Usual Suspects that her peers worship ?
IE:
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/fpjames/snoop_dogg_3.jpg)
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Not all Frenchmen think like Straffo. In fact, France is probably the closest to the US of any Europen country (with perhaps Switzerland being an exception). A lot more hoops to jump through, but if you make enough jumps you can do better than some US citizens as far as firearm ownership is concerend.
Here are some more terrible people, French ones this time:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=307335&highlight=France+AR-15
A disgusting French girl with a gun:
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ92zYX827E&feature=related
How terrible. Terrorists all.
The Africa photo was great by the way. In most countries over there only the government gangs are allowed weapons, leaving the poor civilians at the mercy of unopposed rape, assault and murder. Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Darfur... shining examples of why we have the 2nd Amendment.
Charon
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Here are some more terrible people, French ones this time:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=307335&highlight=France+AR-15
Charon
Federation Francaise de tir :salute (great link Charon)
BTW Straffo - I live in Texas and could be described as a avid gun owner/shooter (NRA Life Member). Politically speaking I'm fundamentally conservative, but am still open to good ideas regardless of what side of the fence they come from.
Now for the shocker - I can speak French, and have a great admiration for the French culture. I might not agree with everything in mainstream French culture, but it never stopped me from admiring what I thought was good about it, or making a lot of great friends in France (I work for a French/Italian high tech company in Texas).
I guess my point is we can all have different opinions but can still be friends - we shouldn't let stereotypes get in the way. ;)
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mojava.. you can't be serious in saying that the pics are the same.
For one thing.. I bet the girl maintains and cares for that AR about 100 times better than that genocidal little african. I also bet that she can actually hit something with that AR and I bet she has not been involved in any slaughters of entire villages in the last month or so.
self rightious PC ignorance never ceases to amaze me no matter what the country of origin.
lazs
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You know the way you picture me is certainly quite wrong.
I bet I can disassemble and reassemble this AR as fast as this girl but blinded
I'm myself a former gun owner ,I was not a sharp shooter but certainly better than the average guy.
It's just that as a proud Euro trash and father I find disgusting to learn a kid this kind of skills.
(aside from any reference to any child soldier or paedophilia)
@Charon you just reminded me I missed (again) the Cholet meeting this year.
@lazs It's likely I can own more gun than you :p
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You have not given one good reason why it is "disgusting" to teach your kid this sort of skills. As I pointed, if anything this girl will be less likely to be raped and strangled in a alleyway than one who has been deliberately kept helpless for...some bizarre reason.
Also, I have seen kids demonstrating killing skills involved unarmed methods and several weapons that were traditionally quite lethal. They are called "kata", and I wonder if you have a similar problem with that, and if not, what precisely is the big difference.
Since this is the AHII forum, you must also tell me what is sicker about a kid shooting holes in a target than shooting pixels online.
Former gun owner and shooter? I don't buy it, not one little bit.
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let rephrase : for me a kid should be kept as innocent (or candid) as possible you cannot let a kid play with a gun without learning him the purpose of a gun <period> and doing so you trash his innocence.
If you don't learn him you're about to make a kind of child soldier and so are a criminal to me.
You don't buy I'm a former shooter ... as you like.
May I remember you service was mandatory in France in the 1990 when I was 20 ?
And it's the part I had to do, not the one I was doing on my spare time with my uncle and others :D
<edit> my kids ( 6 and 8 ) are not doing any pixel shooting on and off line,they're not ready to do so.
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I don't buy it. I can't quite put it into words at the moment, but there's no inherent trashing of innocence in a kid learning about life, death, sex, killing. If anything, it's mostly that parents are by and large incapable of teaching it right/successfuly.. So it consequently happens more often and more properly in cultures with the right memes floating around that favor a healthy understanding of those four (and other) things. I did a crap load of observing people as far back as I can remember, as a kid, and it was very obvious to me that some taboos were a mistake. That they were only necessary as a sort of safeguard to keep kids from going astray, but that a kid with proper understanding and discipline wouldn't need those safeguards, and that a parent who truly understands his kid wouldn't need those dummy safeguards either.
In not teaching those things from a fear of not teaching them right, you throw out the baby with the bath water.
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let rephrase : for me a kid should be kept as innocent (or candid) as possible you cannot let a kid play with a gun without learning him the purpose of a gun <period> and doing so you trash his innocence.
If you don't learn him you're about to make a kind of child soldier and so are a criminal to me.
You don't buy I'm a former shooter ... as you like.
May I remember you service was mandatory in France in the 1990 when I was 20 ?
And it's the part I had to do, not the one I was doing on my spare time with my uncle and others :D
<edit> my kids ( 6 and 8 ) are not doing any pixel shooting on and off line,they're not ready to do so.
That's balogna and you know it. You are making the giant and WRONG assumption that the only purpose of guns is to kill something. That is only one single use, and not even the main purpose anymore.
Using that same reasoning, you wouldn't teach a son of yours about his noodle. Because you'll ruin his innocence by telling him that he WILL rape someone.
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Straffo,
Do you let your kid(s) go to school with other kids, study history, understand Bastille day, see movies, watch TV? If you really examine everything your child has been exposed to, I think you will realize that the idea of innocence and protection from violence as well as death are a moot point. The kids have already seen graphic violence portrayed in far more detail that I did when growing up in the 50's and 60's.
What you are arguing is your opinion or feeling that mere contact for the child with the weapon is disgusting. Do you feel that way with other tools or mechanical objects?
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I'm amazed that this thread can run to six pages. Not so amazed that the girl could strip and reassemble and AR-15. It's just a game to her. No doubt she could strip and reassemble her bicycle, dolls house and a toaster with equal aplomb once properly taught. But (sigh :frown:) guns are an emotive issue. So off we go on the circular arguments once again.
The picture of the African boy with the AK is not particularly relevant and sod all to do with guns. If you look at that picture and see guns as the issue in Africa. Then you have a very shallow appreciation of the problems in that continent. The girl is playing a game, it's very unlikely she will ever need to use a rifle to defend herself for real even if she does join the service. A gun is something to have fun with. Nice to be able to say the same for the boy.
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M00t I don't see a difference between the pict I posted and the one starting this thread.
I've the same feeling seeing both ,and it's disgusting.
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You're fascinated with pre-pubescent male children? :O
I hope I misunderstood :)
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I am glad my definition of innocent does not involve being ignorant and helpless.
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let rephrase : for me a kid should be kept as innocent (or candid) as possible you cannot let a kid play with a gun without learning him the purpose of a gun <period> and doing so you trash his innocence.
If you don't learn him you're about to make a kind of child soldier and so are a criminal to me.
You don't buy I'm a former shooter ... as you like.
May I remember you service was mandatory in France in the 1990 when I was 20 ?
And it's the part I had to do, not the one I was doing on my spare time with my uncle and others :D
<edit> my kids ( 6 and 8 ) are not doing any pixel shooting on and off line,they're not ready to do so.
LOL.. same 'ol Straffo. Swingin' fer the fences and still striking out.
Point: Women & Kids should be competent with Firearms. How else will they be able to deal rationally when threatened with one? My kid can tell make; prime features and fire condition... at a glance. Makes her safer.. and a lot harder to abuse or kill. And should she get control of the weapon that's being used to 'control' her, she'll be able to use it.
It's unfortunate that criminals can obtain weapons easier than lawful citizens... and as long as that condition prevails, turning over security of the family's personal safety in an environment where roving gangs of thugs and street critters walk about looking for victims for fun and status and the 'police' are constrained by competence, credibility and corruption...
The right to keep and bear should not be an 'age' issue.
Hang
Fat Drunk Bastage
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The right to keep and bear should not be an 'age' issue.
Hang
Fat Drunk Bastage
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I disagree- when I was a kid there was this senile old man who used to shotgun his mailbox every few months. He thought it was a German or something.
Whatever, he should have been disarmed.
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maybe he just hated the post office.
maybe he was makin' sure the little villans in the neighborhood KNEW he was not to be trifled with.
... I'm betting you stayed off his property when you were a kid... and trespassed someplace else; where the homeowners were less liable to blow yer freakin tresspassin head clean off.
;)
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I disagree- when I was a kid there was this senile old man who used to shotgun his mailbox every few months. He thought it was a German or something.
Whatever, he should have been disarmed.
Did he hit the mailbox? If so, why disarm him?
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I disagree- when I was a kid there was this senile old man who used to shotgun his mailbox every few months. He thought it was a German or something.
Whatever, he should have been disarmed.
Was it his mailbox?
If it was, then mind your own damn commie business.
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Whatever, he should have been disarmed.
Heh. You go first. :O
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Guess I should have guns taken away then as well since I helped my buddy put his old POS car out of it's misery :D
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Nothing like keeping in trim.....kudos to the old man ;)
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LOL.. same 'ol Straffo. Swingin' fer the fences and still striking out.
Point: Women & Kids should be competent with Firearms. How else will they be able to deal rationally when threatened with one? My kid can tell make; prime features and fire condition... at a glance. Makes her safer.. and a lot harder to abuse or kill. And should she get control of the weapon that's being used to 'control' her, she'll be able to use it.
It's unfortunate that criminals can obtain weapons easier than lawful citizens... and as long as that condition prevails, turning over security of the family's personal safety in an environment where roving gangs of thugs and street critters walk about looking for victims for fun and status and the 'police' are constrained by competence, credibility and corruption...
The right to keep and bear should not be an 'age' issue.
Hang
Fat Drunk Bastage
Still
Yet another proof of global warming .
Heat increased and you've just defrost ?
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That the best you can do straffo?!?!?! Just some snide comment totally off the subject as an attempt at sarcasm. Sad really sad.
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Was it his mailbox?
If it was, then mind your own damn commie business.
It was his own mailbox, but why use a gun on it? I've dispatched plenty of mailboxes with a bat, it seems like using a gun on one is overkill.
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That the best you can do straffo?!?!?! Just some snide comment totally off the subject as an attempt at sarcasm. Sad really sad.
I'm waiting for the Holocaust Denial charges to start flying... no thread is truly derailed until we get there :noid
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Yet another proof of global warming .
Heat increased and you've just defrost ?
Not too far off the mark.... just thought I'd stop by and see if any other Americans were gettin hot under the collar with the current state of affairs.
I see they are.
:D
Hang
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It was his own mailbox, but why use a gun on it? I've dispatched plenty of mailboxes with a bat, it seems like using a gun on one is overkill.
A shotgun would take less effort and be much more efficient.
The right tool for the right job and all that.
:lol
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That the best you can do straffo?!?!?! Just some snide comment totally off the subject as an attempt at sarcasm. Sad really sad.
you read me bad , Hang. and I have an affair since a long time (*)
(*) the wording is intended :p
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I love it when the anti gun types start telling me how they have all been gun owners and have more guns than I do and they are great shots and blah blah blah...
If they really knew anything about guns they wouldn't have such irrational fear of em.
Like a gun is gonna steal the innocence of a child because he/she knows how to take it down and safely handle or shoot it.
This doesn't seem to make any sense because.. it simply doesn't make any sense. It is just more PC bs and irrational fear.
lazs
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did somone made a post after mine ?
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It was his own mailbox, but why use a gun on it? I've dispatched plenty of mailboxes with a bat, it seems like using a gun on one is overkill.
Maybe it was an "outlaw mailbox". :)
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It's a dead give away it's an old man. He used a shotgun. Whatever happened to killing your mailbox with an M80?
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you read me bad , Hang. and I have an affair since a long time (*)
(*) the wording is intended :p
Damn, Straffo... still blind too, enh? Just who are you actually replying to with utterly nonsensical phraseology? Me... or Mav... the guy you quoted with the above indecipherable post?
LOL!
Hang