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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on July 18, 2008, 09:31:26 AM
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You know.. you read a book that is so great that you can't believe it and then they say they are gonna make a movie of it and you can't wait.. but.. the movie is a HUGE disappointment.
The Great Gatsby.. one of.. if not the greatest American novels. I have read it 3 or 4 times in my life and got something different every time as I grew. The sign of a really great novel to me.. it takes me back to a time that I did not live in yet. you are there. You can live it.
The movie.. the movie gathered up a whole lot of talent and spent a whole lot of money and.. actually followed the story pretty well... Which made it even more of a disappointment when the movie was so boring and lifeless.
the ultimate proof I suppose that the medias are separate art forms that don't always translate.
lazs
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Battlefield Earth.
Absolutely fantastic book. Movie sucked donkey poo. Course, in the movie's defense, if they did the book justice, the movie would be 10 hours long.
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The Great Gatsby was one heck of a book. The move wasn't bad, but didn't get there.
Normally you get disappointed. "The book was better" you know.
I was pleasantly happy with The Lord of the Rings though. There was every chance in the world open to screwing that one up, but IMHO the trilogy was great. The books were better though...
Can't wait for the Hobbit...Del Toro is quite some director.
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Watchers by Dean Koontz.
Horrible movie.They even figured a way to slip Corey Feldman into it to make it even worse.
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The Stand - Stephen King
I could live with the casting with the exception of Molly Ringwald but the script was horrible, the cinematography looked like is was done in a high school studio, and the script adaptation was reprehensible.
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battlefield earth... watchers...
Great examples... the stand.. yeah.. but not major leauge bad.
The movie gatsby just didn't have any of the feel of the book at all for me.
lazs
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Starship Troopers.
Whithout a doubt a great book. Horrible movie though.
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More Stephen King
Christine - spossed to be a ghost driving the car
Apt Pupil- old man and student are serial killers in movie
Tommyknockers - what the hell?
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I agree with The great Gatsby.. I anticipate The Watchmen will be botched too. They've already said they've cut out the post-apocalyptic sidestory.
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My vote goes to the movie "From Justin to Kelly". The book was WAY better. :)
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Starship Troopers.
Whithout a doubt a great book. Horrible movie though.
Disappointment barely covers the !%@#$@ horrible job they did on this movie. I always thought this book would have made a great movie, then they %@#$# it up and decided to make @#%@$% sequels .
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The Sum of All Fears
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Starship troopers the movie and the book were two entirely seperate stories. They shared the same title, and a couple of character names. Past that it's really difficult to compare two. I enjoyed both.
As for horrible movies, I'd have to say that Peter Jackson should be hanged for what he did. Fellowship of the ring was good, The Two Towers was ok, and Return of the King was downright painful to watch.
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Battlefield Earth.
Absolutely fantastic book. Movie sucked donkey poo. Course, in the movie's defense, if they did the book justice, the movie would be 10 hours long.
That's what came to my mind when I saw the thread title.
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Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
But, the more I think about it, that just may be one of those books that simply cannot be done justice on the screen.
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Christine, the book rocked the movie didn't even make it up to sux status.
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I'll second Lasersilor on Return of the King. While it wasn't a terrible movie, it was a damned butchery of Tolkien's work and Peter Jackson is a damned filthy butcher. I wouldn't mind so much if everyone hadn't gone on about how much Jackson respects and cherishes Tolkien's books.
Sure you do, champ. That's why you needlessly rewrote or removed key elements. Pfffft.
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Ice Station Zebra by Alistair MacLean, never seen a movie go so completely off-plot (just as an excuse for a snowmobile chase :huh)
never read Starship Troopers but the movie is great, unlike the sequel which is my alltime worst movie (and yes I have seen Plan 9 from Outer Space :lol)
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(and yes I have seen Plan 9 from Outer Space :lol)
Try "Saturn 3"
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Ice Station Zebra by Alistair MacLean, never seen a movie go so completely off-plot (just as an excuse for a snowmobile chase :huh)
never read Starship Troopers but the movie is great, unlike the sequel which is my alltime worst movie (and yes I have seen Plan 9 from Outer Space :lol)
There's a third Starship Troopers movie due out direct to video right about now. It looks to be much better due to 4-5x more budget to spend.
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The debacle with Starship Troopers was a travesty. Heinlien must be spinning in his grave over the way they trashed his book. :mad: I never went to even rent the sequal. The first one was so bad I figured there was no way to salvage it.
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Well, to be fair, Denise Richards au natural in her prime gave the first one SOME merit :t
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well if the budget for the original was $10m, the budget for the sequel was $10k. ALL of the CGI/SFX were lifted from the original, the whole thing takes place on the surface of a dark planet (ie 1 small sound stage with a couple of bags of sand spread around and fake dead trees.) It also lacks all of the subtlety and humour of the original, as well as Denise's rack.
Want to know more? No I really dont. :mad:
edit: I just checked Saturn 3 on imdb and remeber it. ooo thats a bad movie
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The debacle with Starship Troopers was a travesty. Heinlien must be spinning in his grave over the way they trashed his book. :mad: I never went to even rent the sequal. The first one was so bad I figured there was no way to salvage it.
I agree. You know that what little bit of the classroom scenes they did include in the movie caused a sh*tstorm with the "profitably-offended". Think what it would have been like if they had quoted the book verbatim. :O
Well, to be fair, Denise Richards au natural in her prime gave the first one SOME merit :t
Some merit yes, but I have navel lint that is more talented that Denice Richards.
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Picky picky. I'm sure she has some talents. Acting just isn't one of them.
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The Sum of All Fears
Has to be one of the worst adaptations ever. Listen to Clancy's commentary. He makes it pretty clear that even he thinks it sucks.
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you convinced me, Starship Troopers goes on my reading list :) (got to start the new Iain M Banks first)
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The Sum of All Fears
I can't force myself to watch this. Loved the book, but Hollywood is too Chicken-Sh*t to call a spade a spade. There is no "clean end" to lift this movie up. :D
Picky picky. I'm sure she has some talents. Acting just isn't one of them.
Then why was Charlie everywhere but at home? :D
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you convinced me, Starship Troopers goes on my reading list :) (got to start the new Iain M Banks first)
Starship Troopers is a quick read (most of Heinlein's stuff is). Read it and you'll know what I'm talking about.
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well if the budget for the original was $10m, the budget for the sequel was $10k. ALL of the CGI/SFX were lifted from the original, the whole thing takes place on the surface of a dark planet (ie 1 small sound stage with a couple of bags of sand spread around and fake dead trees.) It also lacks all of the subtlety and humour of the original, as well as Denise's rack.
Want to know more? No I really dont. :mad:
edit: I just checked Saturn 3 on imdb and remeber it. ooo thats a bad movie
I don't mind B rated movies. In fact, I enjoy seeing how far the directors / producers can go on a limited budget. But the absolute final nail in the coffin that was Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation were the muzzle flashes.
To save a bit of money, the producers removed blank firing weapons, and put in their place guns with lightbulbs at the end. I am not making this up. In fact, all of the weapons literally look like toys with flashing bulbs at the end. All of them.
That's why the movie was so bad. The whole thing seemed like an excuse for gore and getting that one girl naked.
I am a little optimistic about the next one though.
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light bulbs :lol thats exactly what I meant, as far as I can remember there is no original SFX/CGI at all in that movie. thats pretty unique for any movie made these days, let alone a sf flick :huh
while we're at it Baz Luhrmans Romeo and Juliet is almost unwatchable. the treatment is fantastic, but both leads are hopelessly out of their depth. has Claire Danes been good in anything?
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Starship troopers the movie and the book were two entirely seperate stories. They shared the same title, and a couple of character names. Past that it's really difficult to compare two. I enjoyed both.
As for horrible movies, I'd have to say that Peter Jackson should be hanged for what he did. Fellowship of the ring was good, The Two Towers was ok, and Return of the King was downright painful to watch.
The Return of the King is one of my favorite movies. Why was it "painful to watch'? That movie was great.
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Picky picky. I'm sure she has some talents. Acting just isn't one of them.
She does have a couple of good points.
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I am Legend
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I am Legend
Yeah. Before it came out, I told people I'd already seen it... twice. Got some weird looks. :D
Was it ever a book though? We may be straying off topic.
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Then why was Charlie everywhere but at home? :D
I'm going to have to concede the point :D
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I'm going to have to concede the point :D
He could have at least told us he was away though. :D
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Yeah. Before it came out, I told people I'd already seen it... twice. Got some weird looks. :D
Was it ever a book though? We may be straying off topic.
Yes it was a book. A very very bad book. Personally I liked the last movie version even though I think it was about 30 minutes short and they picked the wrong ending.
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Yes it was a book. A very very bad book. Personally I liked the lasted movie version even though I think it was about 30 minutes short and they picked the wrong ending.
What was the title? "The Last Man On Earth"?
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I Am Legend (Paperback)
http://www.amazon.com/I-Am-Legend-Richard-Matheson/dp/031286504X
Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Legend
The story didn't do anything for me. In fact I think it compares quite nicely to The Cell by Stephen King.
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My vote goes to the movie "From Justin to Kelly". The book was WAY better. :)
I guess nobody got the joke.
With the exception of The Shining, EVERY movie based off a Stephen King novel was from "not good" (Christine) to "god awful" (The Langoliers). Most of his books are quite good. I love The Gunslinger series the best.
One book i would like to read is L.A. Confidential. The movie based on it is one of my favorites :aok
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I Am Legend (Paperback)
http://www.amazon.com/I-Am-Legend-Richard-Matheson/dp/031286504X
Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Legend
The story didn't do anything for me. In fact I think it compares quite nicely to The Cell by Stephen King.
Cool. I didn't knew they had reverted to the original book title. Probably a great story in 1954, but comes across as derivative 53 years later. Too bad, because it looks like Matheson helped create the whole modern "undead" genre.
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I've got a copy of it somewhere around my house. If you want I can toss it in the mail to you if I can find it.
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Raise the Titanic by Clive Cussler. Awesome story, movie really, really stunk. Cussler can't get a break either. His other book, Sahara was also a flop when it went to the silver screen.
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Sahara
just dreadful (http://www.allstarsclan.nl/forums/style_emoticons/default/mf_tongue.gif)
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Raise the Titanic by Clive Cussler. Awesome story, movie really, really stunk. Cussler can't get a break either. His other book, Sahara was also a flop when it went to the silver screen.
Yep. Great read. Loved the SEALS. The flick BLEW!
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Raise the Titanic by Clive Cussler. Awesome story, movie really, really stunk. Cussler can't get a break either. His other book, Sahara was also a flop when it went to the silver screen.
I didn’t know they made a movie out of it... Sahara was entertaining but was too witty and light hearted, not a good adaptation of the book. I know this is not from book to screen but what do ya’ll think about Reeves remaking The Day The Earth Stood Still?
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http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/thedaytheearthstoodstill/index.html (http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/thedaytheearthstoodstill/index.html)
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You've got to be kidding me? :huh Who play's Gort? Paulie Shore? I'm gonna be ill.
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Any movie based on a Stephen King book. If you did not read the books, you might think the movie to be ok, but in reality, all of the movies based on his work has been horribly done when compared to the book.
"The Shining" is a riveting book. I read it in one sitting. The first movie with Jack Nicholson was absolutely ludicrous. The second one actually had more elements from the book than the first one, but was still badly done.
On the other hand, when a book is mostly comprised of what the character is thinking and not what he/she is doing, I think it is difficult to convey in a movie. Takes a really good director to make the transition from 'thought' to 'imagery'.
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See Rule #7
That was my same reaction… and then I read this…..
The Day The Earth Stood Still is a 2008 remake of the 1951 science fiction movie of the same title. The plot was updated from a cold war man against man theme to a New Age concern of man against nature. Originally, the release date was scheduled on May 9, however, it was moved to December 12, 2008 in the United States and theaters worldwide.
:huh
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That was my same reaction… and then I read this…..
:huh
Now I hate it EVEN MORE. Sum Of All Fears all over again. What's next, Tora Tora Tora with Halliburton instead of the Japanese? These preachy clowns need Prius enemas.
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The only movie I thought was better than the original book was "The Natural". The book was well written and all, but what a downer.
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I'm glad they quit trying to make Clancy movies into novels.
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Outsiders...great book...Not so great movie.
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I'm glad they quit trying to make Clancy movies into novels.
:D
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Outsiders...great book...Not so great movie.
Two interesting things about the movie though is how many of the actors in it went on to decent careers and the movie inspired the Squid to read the book.
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Two interesting things about the movie though is how many of the actors in it went on to decent careers and the movie inspired the Squid to read the book.
Never saw it, but just pulled up the cast... quite a line-up.
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I am Legend
It seems to me that I Am Legend was more of a remake of The Omega Man than an adaptation of the short story.
The book is so thin, I can see why screen adaptations take creative license with it. I thought the book was crap.
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Any movie based on a Stephen King book. If you did not read the books, you might think the movie to be ok, but in reality, all of the movies based on his work has been horribly done when compared to the book.
"The Shining" is a riveting book. I read it in one sitting. The first movie with Jack Nicholson was absolutely ludicrous. The second one actually had more elements from the book than the first one, but was still badly done.
On the other hand, when a book is mostly comprised of what the character is thinking and not what he/she is doing, I think it is difficult to convey in a movie. Takes a really good director to make the transition from 'thought' to 'imagery'.
I thought Misery actually was better on film than the book. But yeah, generally true.
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Cold Mountain - That movie blew chunks. Book was great. Well half of it was, I couldn't stay interested in the story about the woman on the homefront.
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The Stand - Stephen King
I could live with the casting with the exception of Molly Ringwald but the script was horrible, the cinematography looked like is was done in a high school studio, and the script adaptation was reprehensible.
I agree. I didnt think the casting was bad at all, but there were some sequencing issues that I didnt like.
Funny side note, first time I read that book I got the flu half way through. I have read the book a good handful of times. Its a good read. It seems my book is plauged. I always get sick in some way when I read it.
Go figure.
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My favorite book ever. I've read and listened to it many times.
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I'm glad they quit trying to make Clancy movies into novels.
Rainbow Six is being made. I actually would look forward to "Without Remorse."
And checking IMDB, it appears they are making both.
The Return of the King is one of my favorite movies. Why was it "painful to watch'? That movie was great.
The burning of the shire, the lack of the rangers / elves of Rivendell. I could go on, but I haven't read the book in several years and forget the specifics.
Anyway, it's much like someone remaking Topgun. And specifically leaving out all the flying parts.
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Lovely... they'll screw them up for sure. Go me for not checking IMDB before I stuck my foot in my mouth :furious
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Wow, most of what would have been mine have already been covered . . . Starship Troopers, anything Steven King, and anything Tom Clancy. I didn't bother with Sum of All Fears -- Clear and Present Danger made sure I would never bother to see a "Clancy Movie" ever again. I had seen Red October before I read the book -- liked the movie, but the book ruined it, if that makes any sense. The only Stephen King movie I like is Misery, so I refuse to read the book for the reason I wish I hadn't read Red October.
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The Stand - Stephen King
I could live with the casting with the exception of Molly Ringwald but the script was horrible, the cinematography looked like is was done in a high school studio, and the script adaptation was reprehensible.
Yup and yup.
I went into The Stand with apprehension. It is easily my favorite piece of fiction EVA and there was no way ANYTHING could have met my expectations.
The problem with King is that you can't do his work justice. The only adaptation of his that was any good was Kubric's version of The Shining (and King himself hated it so much as to remake it a few years ago [stinker]). I stand by my opinion that the only thing that saved that movie was Jack Nicholson's performance.
I would love to see The Stand done again in the same vein as Band of Brothers by HBO. Part of the reason it failed (for me) was the ABC mini-series treatment it was given.
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I thought Misery actually was better on film than the book. But yeah, generally true.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Misery. Woulda probly sukd without Cathy Bates though...
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I didn’t know they made a movie out of it... Sahara was entertaining but was too witty and light hearted, not a good adaptation of the book. I know this is not from book to screen but what do ya’ll think about Reeves remaking The Day The Earth Stood Still?
The Day The Earth Stood Still And Said Whoa!
The man/nature thing sounds like what Shialaman tried in Happening. Reeves lead actor + cheesy premise = ...
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Raise the Titanic by Clive Cussler. Awesome story, movie really, really stunk. Cussler can't get a break either. His other book, Sahara was also a flop when it went to the silver screen.
Absolutely. Loved the books as they are great 'escape' books with a nice history touch. I hated the movies. I remember Raise the Titanic on film and wondered what the heck i was watching.
"Shane" would be another for me. Read the book any number of times. Saw it on film and thought what is this? I know some consider it a classic film, but I couldn't stand it.
Agreed on "The Outsiders" as well.
I think the hardest part for me with any book to movie, is I already have the character's in my head and rarely do the actors come close to what I imagined.
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"Shane" would be another for me. Read the book any number of times. Saw it on film and thought what is this? I know some consider it a classic film, but I couldn't stand it.
Corny at times, but loved the movie. Was in Jackson Hole a few years ago. Was driving past the Grand Tetons on the way to Yellowstone. Looked out the window and went "Holy Crap", this is where Stevens filmed Shane. Weird how I never thought about it till that moment.
I think the hardest part for me with any book to movie, is I already have the character's in my head and rarely do the actors come close to what I imagined.
This is true for all of us. That's why almost all movie adaptations fall short in our eyes. Probably the best example I can give is Lord Of The Rings. Studios avoided it for decades because they knew the hardcore fans would set the bar really high. Only with killer CG, a great director, and a healthy budget did they feel thy could pull it off without being crucified. And I know plenty of people who still gripe about it. :rolleyes:
With me it was "Mr. Clark" in Clear and Present Danger. Really like Willem Defoe, but as Mr. Clark? NOT. In my mind, Mr Clark is either Tom Berenger or maybe a "pre-fat" Steven Segal. But that's just me. Someone else may see Willem Defoe, or maybe even Will Ferrell. :D
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"Shane" would be another for me. Read the book any number of times. Saw it on film and thought what is this? I know some consider it a classic film, but I couldn't stand it.
Yep.I still have an original paperback that my dad bought back in his youth.
The book is told through the eyes of the boy,and you get a sense that this man is lethal.The farmers are scared of him,and soon thereafter the ranchers get a very healthy respect for him and avoid him.
People if you haven't read the book,it's a treat.
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Most recent book to movie disappointment for me was Shooter with Marl Wahlberg. In no way did it do Point of Impact, the book it was based on any justice.
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Yep.I still have an original paperback that my dad bought back in his youth.
The book is told through the eyes of the boy,and you get a sense that this man is lethal.The farmers are scared of him,and soon thereafter the ranchers get a very healthy respect for him and avoid him.
People if you haven't read the book,it's a treat.
Guess it's kinda hard to convey real malice when the guy playing the title role is 4'6". :D
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Timeline---utterly butchered the can't-put-it-down-book by Michael Crichton, turned it into a bad Arnold move (which is of course, redundant)
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Timeline---utterly butchered the can't-put-it-down-book by Michael Crichton, turned it into a bad Arnold move (which is of course, redundant)
totally agree. good read, horrible movie.
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The Sum of All Fears thanks to the terrorists in CAIR.
That would be like letting switching the baddies in Gung Ho! (released 1943) from Japanese to Haitians
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"We Were Soldiers..."
As disgrace to the men who were at Albany and X-Ray.
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"We Were Soldiers..."
As disgrace to the men who were at Albany and X-Ray.
Wrong. They guy who cuts my firewood was in that Battle. He said it's dead on.
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Wrong. They guy who cuts my firewood was in that Battle. He said it's dead on.
Absolutely. One of the most factual military movies ever. Hal Moore and Joe Galloway made sure they got it right.
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You guys apparently didn't read the book. There's about 30 minutes of completely fictional material at the end of the movie, where Hal Moore leads a charge up the mountain and captures the NVA HQ, with Snake Crandall (flying a gunship of all things) providing close air support at a range of about 10 yards.
Didn't happen. Not even close. The NVA still held the mountain at the end of the battle. Moore's battalion was relieved and went home to lick their wounds. One of the relief battalions was then slaughtered by NVA elements when they tried to withdraw on foot to LZ Albany. This takes place in the second half of the book which is entirely omitted from the film. Oh, and Snake didn't fly gunships until a couple of years later.
If you have a friend who says he was there and the movie is correct, he's either got memory issues or he's lying.
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Cat in the hat, hands down! Great book, and the original film, although a cartoon was spot on with the book. But, the live action film was a farse, it sickened me.
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Can't believe Michael Crichton hasn't been mentioned..
Sphere
Congo
Jurassic Park series (yes 3 and 4 written FOR the movie)
I haven't seen Coma so I can't comment on it.
Sphere left out SO many plot parts it was ridiculous. Congo, I don't have words for that disaster, if you saw the movie don't bother reading the book it will taint it.
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Mustain you're so right it hurts...
Congo bit gnuts! Such a disappointment after reading the book... actually pretty much all of them were. I'm I big crichton fan and the moves are such let downs.
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Can't believe Michael Crichton hasn't been mentioned..
Sphere
Congo
Jurassic Park series (yes 3 and 4 written FOR the movie)
I haven't seen Coma so I can't comment on it.
Sphere left out SO many plot parts it was ridiculous. Congo, I don't have words for that disaster, if you saw the movie don't bother reading the book it will taint it.
I enjoyed sphere the movie, I'm assuming the book is even better? will having seen the movie ruin the book?
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I enjoyed sphere the movie, I'm assuming the book is even better? will having seen the movie ruin the book?
umm NO.
<EDIT> oops thought you said Congo... but yes that book may be ok... only just ok.
If you imagine queen latifa at any time set the book down and step away forever.
Samuel Jackson's character was the only one based even remotely on the book, though a munge of 2 or 3 characters. I'd guess he was the ONLY one who actually read the book in preparation for the movie.
for me watching Jurassic ONE before reading the book actually helped a bit. I had a "face" to the dino's, and could imagine in my mind the scenes. It's like that though with a book about something no one has ever seen. Jurassic was another "rated R" book, death and more horrid death. even the character Hammond was eaten alive in the book. I would suggest if anyone enjoyed Jurassic and hasn't read the book to do so. It can be more vibrant in your mind if you let it.
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I gotta go with The Sum of All Fears. Hollywood started screwing with Clancy books too much in Clear and Present Danger and even though I think Without Remorse would be a kick butt book I cringe thinking about how Hollywood would screw with the book to "make it work for film".
I thought that Willem Dafoe played a decent John Clark in that as setting the stage for Ding Chavez to begin taking a lead role in the books as a setup for Rainbow Six a few years afterward. If they were going with a current actor for a young Clark as in the Without Remorse movie I would suggest someone like Thomas Jane as Clark if they move ahead with Without Remorse in the near future or maybe even that guy that plays on the tv show Las Vegas as the ex-Marine (Josh Duhamel)...or maybe even Ryan Reynolds. Who knows.
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Can't believe Michael Crichton hasn't been mentioned..
Sphere
Congo
Jurassic Park series (yes 3 and 4 written FOR the movie)
I haven't seen Coma so I can't comment on it.
Sphere left out SO many plot parts it was ridiculous. Congo, I don't have words for that disaster, if you saw the movie don't bother reading the book it will taint it.
Ahem <cough cough>Timeline---utterly butchered the can't-put-it-down-book by Michael Crichton, turned it into a bad Arnold move (which is of course, redundant)
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"Cold Mountain" is one of the great works of American Literature.
The movie was horrible.
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You guys apparently didn't read the book. There's about 30 minutes of completely fictional material at the end of the movie, where Hal Moore leads a charge up the mountain and captures the NVA HQ, with Snake Crandall (flying a gunship of all things) providing close air support at a range of about 10 yards.
Didn't happen. Not even close. The NVA still held the mountain at the end of the battle. Moore's battalion was relieved and went home to lick their wounds. One of the relief battalions was then slaughtered by NVA elements when they tried to withdraw on foot to LZ Albany. This takes place in the second half of the book which is entirely omitted from the film. Oh, and Snake didn't fly gunships until a couple of years later.
If you have a friend who says he was there and the movie is correct, he's either got memory issues or he's lying.
If I can remember correctly, something similar but not exact happened in the book. But I'm shooting from the hip here to say that. So I've just started rereading the book.