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Title: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: Mark Luper on July 18, 2008, 07:38:44 PM
According to worldnet daily this is happening in Brazil.  :O

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69775 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69775)

The law, which has passed the house of representatives, unanimously according to the article, is set to pass in the senate and will become law. Pastors and teachers cannot preach or pontificate on the subject in a public setting.

Wow! What is this world comming to...

Mark
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: mg1942 on July 18, 2008, 07:53:59 PM
Welcome to the 21st century.
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: SOB on July 19, 2008, 02:05:17 AM
Wow! What is this world comming to...

You mean, "What is Brazil coming to"?  Well, who cares?  'Cept maybe Brazilians.  Thankfully we've got the right to offend people here in the U.S.
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: angelsandair on July 19, 2008, 02:11:10 AM
You mean, "What is Brazil coming to"?  Well, who cares?  'Cept maybe Brazilians.  Thankfully we've got the right to offend people here in the U.S.

Not for long if we keep getting more and more "politically correct"  :noid
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: BnZ on July 19, 2008, 02:37:47 AM
You know, I've got to hand it to the 21st century totalitarians working in the liberal democratic states. They have an amazing strategy, attacking from a totally unexpected direction.

Tyranny and intolerance in the name of tolerance...brilliant!
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: CAP1 on July 19, 2008, 07:50:31 AM
You mean, "What is Brazil coming to"?  Well, who cares?  'Cept maybe Brazilians.  Thankfully we've got the right to offend people here in the U.S.

so far
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: SirLoin on July 19, 2008, 07:55:51 AM
Well i agree with them on imprisoning people who refuse to hire openly gay people,the criminalization of Homophobia(hate speach) is a violation of free speach..That's if it we were talking about a free society which is not the case here.
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: Jackal1 on July 19, 2008, 09:21:57 AM
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Only weeks ago, WND reported the president of Brazil said "opposing" homosexuality makes you a sick person, and he believes such thoughts need to be criminalized.

I think the ole Prez may be a little limp wristed.  :D
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: FiLtH on July 19, 2008, 11:46:19 AM
  I dont agree with imprisonment for a guy who doesnt want to hire someone. I think the gay guy has a right to sit out in front of the owners shop on public ground and tell people the owner didnt hire because he was gay, if that was the reason. But an employer should be able to hire who he wants to without government interference.
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: mietla on July 19, 2008, 01:27:48 PM
You mean, "What is Brazil coming to"?  Well, who cares?  'Cept maybe Brazilians.  Thankfully we've got the right to offend people here in the U.S.

let's see for how long... The libs are working hard on it.
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: mietla on July 19, 2008, 01:32:55 PM
Well i agree with them on imprisoning people who refuse to hire openly gay people

that is an outrageous statement? 

My business, I can hire whomever I choose and I don't have to explain anything to anyone. At least that's what the Constitution says.

It's the government that can't discriminate, individuals have every right to do so.

All anti-discrimination laws applying to individuals are fundamentally unconstitutional.

I have a right to choose who works for me, no one has the right to work for me.



Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: mietla on July 19, 2008, 01:38:54 PM
The Constitution affirms inherent rights of us as individuals, it does not grant us any rights. As a result, the government is not allowed to take those rights away or restrict them in any way.

      "Congress shall not pass any laws mandating or prohibiting XYZ"       

that is an affirmation of our right XYZ

      "You have a right to XYZ, unless..."                       

We just lost this right.
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: 2bighorn on July 19, 2008, 05:19:45 PM
My business, I can hire whomever I choose and I don't have to explain anything to anyone. At least that's what the Constitution says.

Not that I don't agree with you, but, please show me where constitution says that?
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: cpxxx on July 19, 2008, 05:30:19 PM
Some of you have an unhealthy obsession with gays. It makes me wonder sometimes :uhoh
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: mietla on July 19, 2008, 05:38:47 PM
Not that I don't agree with you, but, please show me where constitution says that?

that's the point. The Constitution does not say that I can't, therefore I can. The 1st gives me the right to think what I want.

What gives you a "right" to be my employee?


Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: 2bighorn on July 19, 2008, 06:07:19 PM
that's the point. The Constitution does not say that I can't, therefore I can.

Unless lawmakers pass the law which says you can't.
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: mietla on July 19, 2008, 06:21:50 PM
Such laws should be challenged as unconstitutional
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: SOB on July 19, 2008, 11:16:47 PM
let's see for how long... The libs are working hard on it.

Ahh yes, "The libs", those evil-doers out to destroy America!  If only them dirty libs didn't exist, then we'd live in a utopia!


Well i agree with them on imprisoning people who refuse to hire openly gay people,the criminalization of Homophobia(hate speach) is a violation of free speach..That's if it we were talking about a free society which is not the case here.

Imprisoning people for choosing who they want to hire in their own business with their own money?  Commie.
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: AKIron on July 19, 2008, 11:19:27 PM
Ahh yes, "The libs", those evil-doers out to destroy America!  If only them dirty libs didn't exist, then we'd live in a utopia!

More like unwitting tools of those who would destroy what America was.
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: Cthulhu on July 20, 2008, 01:16:52 AM
Such laws should be challenged as unconstitutional
You would think. But as an example, consider that laws governing "Hate Crimes" have been on the books for years. You'd think challenging them would be a slam dunk, but .... :huh
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: Angus on July 20, 2008, 02:29:48 AM
This gay guy waslks in to the butcher's shop and asks for a salami.

Oooops, I might go to jail. :devil

(maybe I can spread this one on to many lines?)
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: JB88 on July 20, 2008, 03:37:50 AM
  I dont agree with imprisonment for a guy who doesnt want to hire someone. I think the gay guy has a right to sit out in front of the owners shop on public ground and tell people the owner didnt hire because he was gay, if that was the reason. But an employer should be able to hire who he wants to without government interference.

word.
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: Bodhi on July 20, 2008, 11:41:53 AM
As Andrew Dice Clay once said,

"You want your rights, fine, I'll give you your rights.  10% off vaseline, now get the **** back in the closet."
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: Eagler on July 20, 2008, 12:33:20 PM
sadly.. in this day and age ...  queer is in
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: Angus on July 20, 2008, 01:26:17 PM
Now that is all quite ..queer.

...And the butcher asked...do you want it in whole or sliced...?
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: mietla on July 20, 2008, 03:21:34 PM
Ahh yes, "The libs", those evil-doers out to destroy America!  If only them dirty libs didn't exist, then we'd live in a utopia!

Utopia is a socialist/leftie concept. The righties rely on individualism.

Well, lefties did not invent utopia (not sure whether Sir Thomas More was a leftie), but they embrace it whole heartedly because it involves intentional community (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_community).

"Utopia is a name for an ideal society, taken from the title of a book written in 1516 by Sir Thomas More describing a fictional island in the Atlantic Ocean, possessing a seemingly perfect socio-politico-legal system. The term has been used to describe both intentional communities that attempted to create an ideal society, and fictional societies portrayed in literature. "Utopia" is sometimes used pejoratively, in reference to an unrealistic ideal that is impossible to achieve, and has spawned other concepts, most prominently dystopia.

The word comes from Greek: οὐ, "not", and τόπος, "place", indicating that More was utilizing the concept as allegory and did not consider such an ideal place to be realistically possible. It is worth noting that the homophone Eutopia, derived from the Greek εὖ, "good" or "well", and τόπος, "place", signifies a double meaning that was almost certainly intended. Despite this, most modern usage of the term "Utopia" incorrectly assumes the latter meaning, that of a place of perfection rather than nonexistence."
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: SirLoin on July 20, 2008, 03:35:29 PM

Imprisoning people for choosing who they want to hire in their own business with their own money?  Commie.

Lol SOB..I see how you got your name..& now that ive thought about it a bit more,you are right.An employer should be able to hire whomeve he wants without govt interference(leads to quotas etc)..Just as long as they have equal civil rights.

 :aok
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: mietla on July 20, 2008, 03:46:45 PM
what do the civil rights have to do with employment?
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: BlkKnit on July 20, 2008, 03:50:44 PM
EoE

and its not that you dont have the right to hire who you want, its just that you must not base your "want" on race, creed, religion or sexual orientation.  The only thing you can deny employment for must be for a lack of physical attractiveness ;)
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: SirLoin on July 20, 2008, 04:19:45 PM
what do the civil rights have to do with employment?

I think you are right..They shouldn't have anything to do with employment.
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: Jackal1 on July 21, 2008, 08:19:23 AM
On many, many different projects and jobs down through the years I have hired who I wanted to hire.
I never hired those who I thought would cause a problem on the job. Never needed the hassle.
The Gestapo hasn`t came for me once.

Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: mietla on July 21, 2008, 09:27:23 AM
bingo.

Education and experience are merely indicators. They are worthless in themselves.

It is the ability and a fit that matters. I have interviewed others many times. I've never even bothered to read the resume. Waste of time. I don't care that the candidate played football, or that he graduated from ????. What matters to me is what he can do, and whether he can be an asset to a team. And yes, a social fit is important.

A job is not a social service rendered by a company on behalf of a state. For every buck the employee is paid, he has to earn at least four. You can call me on numbers, but in general, after taxes, SS, benefits, insurance and all other overhead it costs an employer four times the salary to hire someone. And he, the employee has to produce at least that. If not, the employer is a suicidal idiot.
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: BiPoLaR on July 21, 2008, 09:49:12 AM
  I dont agree with imprisonment for a guy who doesnt want to hire someone. I think the gay guy has a right to sit out in front of the owners shop on public ground and tell people the owner didnt hire because he was gay, if that was the reason. But an employer should be able to hire who he wants to without government interference.
Agree
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: Mark Luper on July 21, 2008, 07:59:46 PM
You mean, "What is Brazil coming to"?  Well, who cares?  'Cept maybe Brazilians.  Thankfully we've got the right to offend people here in the U.S.

Well actually I care. My wife is a Brasilian and that is where we will be retiring in about 5 years. Lula may be limpwristed for all I know but he is uneducated. He has a 4th or 5th grade education and he is using this a tool to garner votes. This is his second term and should be his last...one hopes.

Mark
Title: Re: Offend a homosexual ... Go to prison for 5 years!!
Post by: mietla on July 21, 2008, 08:11:57 PM
Well actually I care. My wife is a Brasilian and that is where we will be retiring in about 5 years. Lula may be limpwristed for all I know but he is uneducated. He has a 4th or 5th grade education and he is using this a tool to garner votes. This is his second term and should be his last...one hopes.

Mark

disease spreads. Once a certain percent of people contracts herpes, I expect the government to mandate the rest of us get it in order not to ostracize those who already have it.

Same with nations.