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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: pervert on July 19, 2008, 07:18:12 AM
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This is'nt a request I DEMAND this plane be in the game :devil plz :lol
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been asked for before, but i'd love another stuka to rip apart
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been asked for before, but i'd love another stuka to rip apart
My question is how did you get that picture in your sig?
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My question is how did you get that picture in your sig?
check PMs spike
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I really wish they would give us the G-2. As a stuka dweeb, I think it would really move it out of hanger queen status.
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....and the obligatory video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU6OK1zSxKg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU6OK1zSxKg)
I would really, really like this.
It would add another element to base defence when the VHs are down.
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Perk.
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That's fine. It's something other than just 234s to spend em on.
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we have a hurricane with 40mm's under the wings for killing tanks, why not the ju87 with 37mm's?
Oh and perking it would be rather silly, the hurri we have dose everything the ju can and isnt perked.
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we have a hurricane with 40mm's under the wings for killing tanks, why not the ju87 with 37mm's?
Oh and perking it would be rather silly, the hurri we have dose everything the ju can and isnt perked.
The Ju-87G-2 would be far more effective in tank killing than any aircraft we have now. If it was unperked, that's all you will see flying in the anti-GV role. The G-2 and the G-1 have a 1 hit kill capability with the 37mm Flak 18 cannon. However, the Ju-87G-2 would be a sitting duck if caught by any fighter, with those two 37mm gun pods maneuverability is going to be near nil.
ack-ack
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Oh but the HO would be grand! ;)
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Love that youtube vid booommm kesssssssssssssssssssshh! Would be a shame if stuka lost too much handling it can outturn a zero lol. But only arenas I can find to fly it effectively is early mid war and axis v allies in ma it just gets lynched I've seen people stop fighting each other to take turns hoing me lol
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I wish......Pervert would change his name. :D
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I fail to see why the Bofors on the 40mm are anymore or less effective, infact... unless the muzle velocity on the JU is a factor, I would think that the 40mm's superior mass would have a a greater impact.
Look there is a reason everyone and thier brother got out of the 37mm anti tank gun buisness in ww2, they are duds unless you get gits in a soft spot, i.e. the turret top, engine top, or rear.
I think its going to be the same old game of trying to thread a needle from 1000ft, just a game of luck and skill.
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I fail to see why the Bofors on the 40mm are anymore or less effective, infact... unless the muzle velocity on the JU is a factor, I would think that the 40mm's superior mass would have a a greater impact.
Look there is a reason everyone and thier brother got out of the 37mm anti tank gun buisness in ww2, they are duds unless you get gits in a soft spot, i.e. the turret top, engine top, or rear.
I think its going to be the same old game of trying to thread a needle from 1000ft, just a game of luck and skill.
While the 37mm Flak 18 anti-tank gun as a towed gun piece wasn't very effective but found a new life mounted on the Ju-87G-1 and G-2 airframes and was very effective with a one hit, one kill ability against the strongest of Soviet armor.
(http://koti.mbnet.fi/~jjuvonen/photos/ju-87g2_8.jpg)
Ju 87G-2
ack-ack
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Ooooh that is so sexy & evil looking. Please HT please!!!!
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I wish......Pervert would change his name. :D
you want me to change it so you can have it! no deal :lol
Hurri rounds dont seem to do a lot to tanks takes quite a few hits 37mms on stuka are tungsten armour piercing.
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you want me to change it so you can have it! no deal :lol
Hurri rounds dont seem to do a lot to tanks takes quite a few hits 37mms on stuka are tungsten armour piercing.
One trigger pull one kill is possible with the hurri.
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Spill the beans then Bronk best i've managed is 4 hits ie 8 shells on a panzer??? :huh
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its all down to where to hit certain tanks.
A panzer does only need 2 rounds to disable its turret/engine. Top down dive right on it. Takes some manly flying skills to not crash half the time though but everytime I nail it panzer = disabled. If you get lucky it might blow them up straight away.
Now T34, shermans and tigers do take more than 2 rounds but again it does vary depending on what hits you get.
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Every "tank-buster" in game needs some degree of skill to use it effectively.
Most average guys like me can barely destroy any tank with just one pass, if we can ever destroy it at all. The limited ammunition and weak guns (relatively weak compared to what the Ju87G hauls) means either a precision hit (we won't be called "average" if we can make those sort of shots in the first place), or a prolonged strafing, which comes with a considerable probability of being shotdown by AA fire before actually damaging the tank. Bombing or rocketing is even harder, since we can't hit the broadside of the barn. There's a reason why tards bring Lanc formations at 1k altitude and carpetbomb the entire location to kill just one tank.
Failed attacks, augering, being shotdown by enemy AA, by enemy fighters etc etc.. all pose a significant hazard to the tankbuster role, which, allows some degree of fair chance of survivability to the tanks.
However, the 37mm AT guns on the Ju87Gs are something different altogether. More than 100mm penetration from almost all angles and all likely firing distances - this practically means a one-shot damage/kill capability unlike any of our existing tank busters have. Even the n00bist of n00bs can simply target a tank, auger into it with guns blazing and subsequentially take out a tank successfully, right before they hit the ground, and simply spawn a new Ju87G and do it again and again.
Sure, the n00bs already do that in the game, but their success rate sucks - that's why tankers have some fair chance to use tanks in the first place. However, doing that with a limitless supply of Ju87Gs means the attrition rate soars up to something near 1:1. It's the end of the tank warfare. Returning to the days of AH1 before the tank-armour change, where any passing fighter can just sneeze at a tank and it would lose an engine, get detracked, or blow up.
Unperked Ju87Gs in the game is the fastest road to killing off all tanks from the game and making them hangar queens once more - like old AH1.
Thus,
Perks.
The killing potential the plane holds against tanks, is enough to justify a perk despite all its weaknesses.
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Spill the beans then Bronk best i've managed is 4 hits ie 8 shells on a panzer??? :huh
Tigers will pop with one trigger squeeze. Steep dive, hit were the driver sits. I have a harder time killing the t34 and firefly.
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See what you mean about the steeper dive gettin more kills that way bit hairy scary on the pullout thou :lol thanks guys
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I don't agree that the JU87G would kill off all tank play. It just means that you will have to adjust your tactics a bit as we are now doing when we see a Wirble defending a base. Why cant tanks roll with osti's or wirbles to defend against the tank busters? Those planes are so slow and unmaneuverable that they are very vulnerable to this kind of defense. If a tank were undefended tho...your right...it would be easy prey and maybe historically so.
LTARogue
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I thought the B-25 was going to end tankage?
Anyway, there's a couple dudes out there in IL-2s who are total, certain, no-doubt-about-it deth to tanks.
Oh, and re: the Ju 87 - wantage, hoh yes.
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That's fine. It's something other than just 234s to spend em on.
hey whats wrong with 234 i love wasting perks on it :D
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(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/acad_ju-87g-1-decals.jpg)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/Ju87_G1_18.jpg)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/ju87g-6.jpg)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/WWII/Ju87_86.jpg)
Definitely needed.
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how much ammo did each gun carry?
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how much ammo did each gun carry?
6 rounds.
The guns were synchronized (they both fired at once, not alternating).
I don't think it would need to be perked.
It has insane destructive power against it's targets, but is nearly defenseless against fighter aircraft.
Just like the Lancaster (actually, the Lancaster is better defended, but still :) ).
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Ok guys, if you REALLY want to kill GV's, the only proper way to do it is like this:
(http://www.arabian-knights.org/images/screenshots/bk-5-50mm.jpg)
(http://www.arabian-knights.org/images/screenshots/bk-5-50mm-2.jpg)
So... when do we get the 262's with 50mm cannon?
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Ok guys, if you REALLY want to kill GV's, the only proper way to do it is like this:
(http://www.arabian-knights.org/images/screenshots/bk-5-50mm.jpg)
(http://www.arabian-knights.org/images/screenshots/bk-5-50mm-2.jpg)
So... when do we get the 262's with 50mm cannon?
we don't
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I don't agree that the JU87G would kill off all tank play. It just means that you will have to adjust your tactics a bit as we are now doing when we see a Wirble defending a base. Why cant tanks roll with osti's or wirbles to defend against the tank busters?
Because it didn't work back in AH1. Can you think of anyone besides your own LTARs that would listen to someone else, and stay with the tanks in defensive positions to play a dedicated AA cover role for all the gv players in the vicinity? We had great osty/M16 sharpshooters back then too. Unfortunately, they usually tend to do what they want, instead of feel any kind of duty to really protect someone else.
Theoretically, you are right. Just as theoretically, CVs can be perfectly protected if only we had more dedicated CAP flyers patrolling around the CV, instead of just flying away to find his own fights and fun. But ofcourse, people don't listen, much less organize anything. The CVs go down all the time. They come to the boards whining and grieving that somebody killed the CV and ruined their fun... instead of ever thinking of actually doing what's needed to help the CV survive so they can have fun for a longer duration of time.
The tip of the day: MA folks don't do anything that is actually needed to be done. They only do what they like to do, and standing around in face of danger to wait and endure what may be a long time doing nothing, just watching the skies for enemy tankbusters, is something they do not like to do.
Those planes are so slow and unmaneuverable that they are very vulnerable to this kind of defense. If a tank were undefended tho...your right...it would be easy prey and maybe historically so.
They were undefended back in AH. They are undefended right now. They will be undefended in the future. That's how the MA works.
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i had a complete thread about the Ju87G2 a while back, can't find it though. Anyway i wish Hitech would consider adding a german tank buster in the mix, would add to a whole other realsm effect on the german side.
I might even start up a Tank buster Group if it's ever considered :salute.