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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dago on July 25, 2008, 05:28:18 PM
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Obama is taking some hits for skipping the chance to visit wounded soldiers when he was told he couldn't have his campaign staff and attending media there with him. I guess just the honor of visiting the wounded, showing some concern and telling them "thanks for all you have done for us" was not enough to bother himself with.
The Pentagon did some bending to accommodate him, allowing his campaign aircraft to allow at the nearby airfield, and offered to supply military photographers.
Seems Obama decided it would be inappropriate to visit the wounded since it might be considered to be a campaign stunt, but odd that he didn't feel that way until after he had been denied the opportunity to bring the media and cameras with him.
McCains camp has stated "it is never inappropriate to visit wounded soldiers". I find myself agreeing with that sentiment.
Is Obama a black version of John Kerry, a man with no respect for our military personnel?
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Is Obama a black version of John Kerry...
I didn't vote for Kerry and I disagree with most things he stands for but Kerry is lightyears ahead of Obama. Given a choice between Kerry and Obama it wouldn't be a choice at all. Obama couldn't carry Kerry's socks. (http://smileydatabase.com/s/745.gif)
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Obama is only in it for his own personal glory. His conduct - getting adoration from his masses - "playing president" etc. makes me sick.
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it was a terrible mistake for him to make but one his supporters will no doubt admire.
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you people are ungrateful, don't you know obama is going to save the world. :rolleyes:
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you people are ungrateful, don't you know obama is going to save the world. :rolleyes:
....and forget all about America in the process. :mad:
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Today's America anyway; remember it's all going to change!
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The only change he's talking about is the change from our pockets to his.
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Probably just as well. I don`t think the wounded soldiers would be too impressed with a visit from the dork since he is wanting to take everything they have done there so far and flush it down the toilet.
The man, and I use the term loosely, is a disgrace.
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Everybody knows the Democrats hate our soldiers! Why, look at the most recent vote on the new GI Bill!! That PROVES it!!
(oh, wait...the Dems voted for it, the Repugs voted against it. Nevermind.)
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Everybody knows the Democrats hate our soldiers! Why, look at the most recent vote on the new GI Bill!! That PROVES it!!
(oh, wait...the Dems voted for it, the Repugs voted against it. Nevermind.)
Was this post intended to demonstrate your inability to separate the actions of one (Obama) from the whole of the democratic party? Would seem that way since this discussion has been strictly about Obama, nobody else brought the democratic party into this.
And, while I am at it, you might do a little more research on which party has consistently shown more support to the armed forces of the United States, then maybe rethink your statement.
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I don't know why Republicans care who gets elected. Most of them are hoping Jesus will come back and destroy the earth and throw most everyone in hell pretty soon anyways.
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throw most everyone in hell pretty soon anyways.
Now now, you know that isn't true, we do have a list but not everyone is one it. Among others, the list has on it:
Pedophiles,
Liberals,
Pacifists,
Terrorists,
Moonbats,
Vegetarians,
Rapists,
Anti-gun activists,
etc.
:aok :D
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Everybody knows the Democrats hate our soldiers! Why, look at the most recent vote on the new GI Bill!! That PROVES it!!
you mean the bill that wanted to give a 4 year college scholarship and full benefits to anyone that signed up for one 2 year tour?
(oh, wait...the Dems voted for it, the Repugs voted against it. Nevermind.)
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Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant...
The senator decided out of respect for these servicemen and women that it would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign.
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Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant...
When you can't disprove something, just pretend like the other guy is wrong? Is that your tactic here?
I stated what Yomamas campaign staff said, sorry you don't think they were factual.
Let's hear your version of the "facts". We could use some fiction for roll-eyes type of amusement.
I wondered when the forum MoonbaT would be along.
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Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant...
put your pathetic oft repeated rant to rest already.
Obama could have, and should have, visited those wounded troopers as a private individual void of all media circus, yet he chose not to.
damn him for it. what a crappy CIC he already is.
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put your pathetic oft repeated rant to rest already.
Obama could have, and should have, visited those wounded troopers as a private individual void of all media circus, yet he chose not to.
damn him for it. what a crappy CIC he already is.
anybody ready for a military coup, yet?
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I don't know why Republicans care who gets elected. Most of them are hoping Jesus will come back and destroy the earth and throw most everyone in hell pretty soon anyways.
You get my vote for space cadet of the week.
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Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant...
The senator decided out of respect for these servicemen and women that it would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign.
Well you mean he didn't visit any military facilities on his trip? Where did he shoot basketball? I saw a few soldiers there. If he could visit those, why couldn't he visit the injured soldiers? I really don't get this. The whole trip was a campaign trip and he used soldiers as a backdrop many times.
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put your pathetic oft repeated rant to rest already.
Obama could have, and should have, visited those wounded troopers as a private individual void of all media circus, yet he chose not to.
damn him for it. what a crappy CIC he already is.
Hear hear. It was ONLY after the Pentagon informed his staff that they didn't want a media circus in the hospital that he cancelled his trip. To me that says of the man, "If I can't get any media props out of the deal, why bother?"
Not my idea of a Commander In Chief, in fact the LAST thing he should want is the media there. Visits like that SHOULD be a private matter between the POTUS or POTUS wanna be and the troops, no cameras, no tapes of the conversation, just one on one. That didn't fit into his political agenda though so he snubbed them.
What a POS he is as a man, let alone as CIC of this country's military.
Anyone who is seriously considering voting for this guy is an idiot and you'll get exactly what you deserve if he wins.
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Hear hear. It was ONLY after the Pentagon informed his staff that they didn't want a media circus in the hospital that he cancelled his trip. To me that says of the man, "If I can't get any media props out of the deal, why bother?"
Not my idea of a Commander In Chief, in fact the LAST thing he should want is the media there. Visits like that SHOULD be a private matter between the POTUS or POTUS wanna be and the troops, no cameras, no tapes of the conversation, just one on one. That didn't fit into his political agenda though so he snubbed them.
What a POS he is as a man, let alone as CIC of this country's military.
Anyone who is seriously considering voting for this guy is an idiot and you'll get exactly what you deserve if he wins.
Seconded. Though unfortunately, if he wins, even those of us who voted against him have to suffer through 8 years of it.
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Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant...
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The senator decided out of respect for these servicemen and women that it would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign.
this was a stupid move!!! :confused:
i don't like the man, as a pres. candidate,
but this was just dumb!! :confused:
and is typical of most of the mistakes he has made in his campaign, :uhoh
he doesn't know what he is doing!! yet he thinks he can lead the free world?? :noid
not too mention the disrespect he has just given to those men!! :mad:
now he has changed his position on withdrawl too , "as the security situation allows" :salute
i am sure that's going too make his hardcore lib,s happy :rofl
if you like his politics, that's one thing, :cry
but if you think he can lead, you are badly mistaken!! :O
he cant even follow very well!! :furious
but do not worry about him he can always go shoot some hoops, :)
that is the only thing i have seen him do well, :frown:
but then again was that the first take? or did he have too shoot at it a few times?
:O i guess only the camera man knows for sure :devil
i wonder what the troops in landstuhl have too say about all this?
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anybody ready for a military coup, yet?
China?
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China?
A coup would not bother me if the American people elected that idiot. Get ready for your prayer rugs. :salute
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I suspect the big change he keeps promising will be the ethnic background of those employed in Government from European to sub-Saharan Nubian and from an economy that is suffering to one that is deceased and from the highest technologically equipped military to one that is completely nerfed.
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anybody ready for a military coup, yet?
Won't happen , the gun owner militia will prevent it.
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When you can't disprove something, just pretend like the other guy is wrong? Is that your tactic here?
I stated what Yomamas campaign staff said, sorry you don't think they were factual.
Let's hear your version of the "facts". We could use some fiction for roll-eyes type of amusement.
I wondered when the forum MoonbaT would be along.
What's really funny is your stupid personal attack based on my "FACTS" which happen to be a direct quote from Obama's press corps. While you say you "stated what Yomama's staff said", all you did was regurgitate some right wing nutjob post and had nary the wit to recognize it as such.
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I don't know why Republicans care who gets elected. Most of them are hoping Jesus will come back and destroy the earth and throw most everyone in hell pretty soon anyways.
put the glass down and slowly back away from the kool aid ..
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obama has a 300 foreign policy advisers, apparently too much information is not a good thing.
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Anyone who is seriously considering voting for this guy is an idiot and you'll get exactly what you deserve if he wins.
I said the same thing about Bush Jr.
The funny thing is, if he went, you wingnuts would whine about him not respecting the privacy of our wounded troops.
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Actually Bush goes and visits the wounded troops quite often, but he doesn't bring the media with him when he does it. I have a friend that works at Walter Reed and we e-mail back and forth all the time, and he has told me that Bush comes by to visit with the troops all the time. No one hears about it though because he keeps it private.
Obama couldn't do that. As soon as the Pentagon told his staff not to bring the media circus they were traveling with into the hospital, he cancelled the trip because he wasn't going to get the press coverage he was looking for. Those wounded troopers weren't worth his time if he couldn't use them to his advantage, so he blew them off, and then has the audacity to say he did it out of respect for their privacy. What a load of crap. The only reason he was seen playing basketball with some of the troops was because it was good press for him. Do you think he would have hung around if they were told to turn the cameras off?
The point is he was there in Germany. Cameras or no cameras as a canidate for President he had a DUTY to go and visit those wounded troops. He failed BIG time, again.
I could care less about his politics. I really don't care. I don't vote the party line. I vote for the person. Obama has not impressed me at all as a person. Sure he's polished and looks good in a suit, and can do a speech that will bring thousands of people the their feet cheering for him, but so could Hitler. He would sell out his own mother if it was good for his political agenda, and that's not the sort of person I trust to lead this country.
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Quick! Someone make a thread bashing McCain on something so the other half the bbs can all moan and whine!
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The funny thing is, if he went, you wingnuts would whine about him not respecting the privacy of our wounded troops.
Damned if he does and damed if he doesn't. But, when he was in Germany, he should have made a side excursion to visit the wounded.
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Obama couldn't do that. As soon as the Pentagon told his staff not to bring the media circus they were traveling with into the hospital, he cancelled the trip because he wasn't going to get the press coverage he was looking for. Those wounded troopers weren't worth his time if he couldn't use them to his advantage, so he blew them off, and then has the audacity to say he did it out of respect for their privacy..
and the lie is perpetuated...
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and the lie is perpetuated...
What lie?? He was planning to go visit, the Pentagon told him they didn't want all the press to show up, so he cancelled the trip. I don't care what his people say is the reason he should have gone to see them and left the reporters in their hotel. Why couldn't he do that? The lame excuse of not wanting to go because the trip was funded by his campaign is a load of crap. Them saying the military told them not to go is a load of crap. So tell me MT what is the real reason he didn't go visit those troops because nothing him or his people have said makes any sense at all.
As reported by ABC News
Whitman said Obama is "certainly welcome to visit a military medical facility any time he wants to," as long as that visit was consistent with that of a sitting senator.
He added, "We do have certain policy guidelines for political campaigns and elections and what's appropriate and not appropriate in those situations. But, the Pentagon, to use your words, certainly did not tell the senator that he could not visit Landstuhl."
The spokesman said that because Obama is both a sitting senator and a political candidate, any visit to Landstuhl would have had to be undertaken within the restrictions that apply to both.
"When you are doing things like a visit to Landstuhl you need to do it in your sitting capacity or you have to do it within the restrictions that apply to any other candidate that might be running for office that is not a sitting senator. So you have to be able to draw those distinctions. Generally speaking the military tries very hard not to get involved in political campaigns."
According to Whitman, Senate staffers could have accompanied Obama, but not campaign staffers. "It would be appropriate to do that with your Senate staff and obviously not with your campaign staff." He added that it would be easy to differentiate the two, "either you work for the senator's staff or you work on the campaign staff, it's very different."
Any discussion of cameras or photographers accompanying Obama was "off the table," said Whitman, who stressed that because of privacy issues, no photography is allowed at Landstuhl.
Whitman noted that during his visit to Iraq, Obama visited a military medical facility, but did so under the auspices of his participation in a congressional delegation, a CODEL.
"There's a distinction that he was part of a CODEL for his visit to Iraq and Afghanistan, then he terminated his participation in the CODEL and then went off to do other things," said Whitman.
So on his trip he used his staus as a sitting Senator to get into medical facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan, where by the way there penty of cameras to see him do it, but in Germany were they have a strict no camera policy he ducked out. Hmmmm used his campaign financed trip as a CODEL when it suited him.
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and the lie is perpetuated...
Exactly where are you getting your information? I've read numerous accounts, and all point out that this was a pre-planned visit by Obama, that the Pentagon informed Obama that he could conduct the visit, but under the normal rules for a sitting senator or representative, i.e. no outside press and only military photographers, and that it was at that point that Obama cancelled the trip. The Pentagon didn't cancel the visit; they in fact were willing to accomadate him and his schedule.
This was a dumb decision on Obama's part, plain and simple. He'd have come off looking better if, instead of cancelling the visit (again, it was he that cancelled, not the Pentagon) he'd gone on record as agreeing whole-heartedly with the policy, and visited simply as what he is...a sitting senator. He could have then held a press conference afterwards, praising the spirit and sacrifice of our troops. THAT would have earned him at least a grudging nod of respect from me (something he has so far failed to earn).
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All of which is just more BS about nothing. Obama's staff said they didn't go because they thought it was inappropriate. Nowhere in your post is that refuted... nowhere.
So all this adds up to is a non-story like so many other non-stories told about the candidate by wingnuts trying to propagandize the process.
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The funny thing is, if he went, you wingnuts would whine about him not respecting the privacy of our wounded troops.
Totally false, I would have applauded his visit. If you ever spend anytime at one of these places maybe you'd understand. While there he should have visited the wounded serviceman PERIOD. The excuse used for not going is weak. As an American citizen, he should have payed his respects to these people. Presidential candidate aside, he is member of of congress he should consider it his duty to visit these people campaign or no campaign.
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How would visiting those troops in his capacity as Senator be inappropriate? It wouldn't be, even the Pentagon says that's not inappropriate. So WHY did he cancel the visit?
A logical person can only conclude he cancelled because he wasn't going to get what HE wanted out of the trip.
Come on MT you KNOW visiting those troops after planning on doing so for 3 weeks would have been the right thing to do. Leaving the press out of the visit, leaving his campaign staff in the hotel, and going as a Senator, not a Presidential canidate would have been appropriate.
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Obama's staff said they didn't go because they thought it was inappropriate.
So all this adds up to is a non-story like so many other non-stories told about the candidate by wingnuts trying to propagandize the process.
Its a non story to you. It needs to be in order to rationalize your liberal core.
Obama needs to be careful not to lose himself in the midst of hundreds of leftist party operatives controlling his every move. He should have visited, its insulting that he did not and regrettably telling about whats to come.
Simple truth.
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How about you check out a little bit of truth on the matter http://www.jedreport.com/2008/07/just-to-be-clea.html (http://www.jedreport.com/2008/07/just-to-be-clea.html).
The truth will set you free.
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'The truth' :rofl The truth is neither republican nor democrat. The truth is that anyone buying into the token repub VS demo red herring is showing their true colors, putting partisanship above authentic american interests.
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How about you check out a little bit of truth on the matter http://www.jedreport.com/2008/07/just-to-be-clea.html (http://www.jedreport.com/2008/07/just-to-be-clea.html).
The truth will set you free.
Glad to hear it. :aok
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The truth will set you free.
"On his trip he used his staus as a sitting Senator to get into medical facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan, where by the way there penty of cameras to see him do it, but in Germany were they have a strict no camera policy he ducked out."
Is this a truthful assesment?
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I seem to recall seeing him walking into and out of those hospitals on the nightly news. Considering he was there as part of a Congressional deligation why was his campaign paying for the whole thing?
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"On his trip he used his staus as a sitting Senator to get into medical facilities in Iraq and Afghanistan, where by the way there penty of cameras to see him do it, but in Germany were they have a strict no camera policy he ducked out."
Is this a truthful assesment?
No,
His trip to Afghanistan and Iraq was a Congressional Junket funded by the taxpayers that included Senators from both sides of the aisle. His trip to Germany was funded by his campaign. So his explaination that it was not appropriate to visit wounded troops on a campaign swing is valid.
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Then why even try and schedual the visit in the first place? Maybe he should have thought about all that before he gets everything set up and then cancel at the last minute.
It all goes back to the same thing though. He was supposed to go, and when the Pentagon told him that doing it as part of a political campaign wasn't in the best interests of the soilders there, he bailed because then it wasn't in his best interests.
I would have been impressed if he had responded along the lines of, "Whatever is in their best interests is what I'll do, but I do want to meet with these guys. I'll leave the press and staff behind and just come on my own."
That would have shown some character and that he has a personal interest in their wellfare. Instead it was, "Well I can't use it as a campaign stop, so lets cancel this one and move on to the Berlin so I can talk to people that can't vote for me even if they wanted too, but it'll look good on TV."
He said he was going to go for 3 weeks, so he should have went. Alot of people busted their butts getting ready for him to show up and then he cancels for NO GOOD reason. Anyone who has ever been in the military knows what goes on weeks before a visit like that happens and it's a major pain for the people within that command to get everything ready.
He has no excuse for doing that.
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Anyone who is seriously considering voting for this guy is an idiot and you'll get exactly what you deserve if he wins.
I said the same thing about Bush Jr.
The funny thing is, if he went, you wingnuts would whine about him not respecting the privacy of our wounded troops.
if he went he would have been seen as a good person!! taking the time (important time to him and his campaign)
to do this, without his mindless followers.
he would have been seen as presidential,
not as an opportunistic arse, that he is usually perceived as!!
but he again has shown a lack of ability to understand human nature, and fell back on his own misguided learning's,
what if he does this while working with leaders of foreign countries ,,who could be as easily be offended , with much greater consequence, than to lose a simple election??
he lacks the ability to understand the results of his actions, and that is a very bad thing to have in a leader!!