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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Serenity on July 29, 2008, 07:22:13 PM
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=yA14TnyCkgE
Now, don't get me wrong, I LOVE star wars, but this... this is just a travesty. It used to be that the movies had a good plot line, good dialogue, and any humor was a bit more... masked at least. Now here is this cartoon version, that is just like the crap you see day to day on cartoon network. I think this is really going to kill Star Wars for the people who grew up with originals.
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I'm going to go camp out at the box office and hold my breath.
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I'm going to go camp out at the box office and hold my breath.
:aok
Funny thing, I actually did that for the last movie (Episode III). First, last and ONLY time I will ever do that. I thought it would be fun, ya know. Star Wars nerds like me have been doing that since the beginning, I thought It was time for me to go to one of the midnight premiers, (Since it was going to be the last). I always thought I was a nerd... and then I saw the other guys waiting in line! lol.
No way in hell I'm even going to pay to see this one.
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Funny thing, I actually did that for the last movie (Episode III). First, last and ONLY time I will ever do that. I thought it would be fun, ya know. Star Wars nerds like me have been doing that since the beginning, I thought It was time for me to go to one of the midnight premiers, (Since it was going to be the last). I always thought I was a nerd... and then I saw the other guys waiting in line! lol.
No way in hell I'm even going to pay to see this one.
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yea, i saw the trailer in the theater while waiting for hellboy2...looks god awful.
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I was 13 in 1977 when I saw the real SW in a theater far far away.
Saw nothing in that trailer that would lead me to believe its a dud. Looked interesting enough but then again, Ive enjoyed them all :rock
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Maybe the target audience is not those above the age of 8. The story is over, there are no more "missing pieces".
So, how better to get a new legion of fans interested in the Start Wars story? -----Cartoons. ;)
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=yA14TnyCkgE
Now, don't get me wrong, I LOVE star wars, but this... this is just a travesty. It used to be that the movies had a good plot line, good dialogue, and any humor was a bit more... masked at least. Now here is this cartoon version, that is just like the crap you see day to day on cartoon network. I think this is really going to kill Star Wars for the people who grew up with originals.
why would anybody that 'grew up with the originals' be watching a cartoon version?
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Maybe the target audience is not those above the age of 8. The story is over, there are no more "missing pieces".
So, how better to get a new legion of fans interested in the Start Wars story? -----Cartoons. ;)
Actually the story is not over. Lucas said his original screen play was about 9 movies. There is supposed to be three more movies after Return of the Jedi, but I believe he has no ambition in making them.
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Actually the story is not over. Lucas said his original screen play was about 9 movies. There is supposed to be three more movies after Return of the Jedi, but I believe he has no ambition in making them.
Actually it was 12 movies (four trilogies), and, no, I do not think the other 3 will be made. So for all intents and purposes the story (as far as the movie going public is concerned) is over.
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Actually it was 12 movies (four trilogies), and, no, I do not think the other 3 will be made. So for all intents and purposes the story (as far as the movie going public is concerned) is over.
You sure it was 12? I always thought it was 9
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There are also a great line of books that keep the stories alive well beyond even Lucas' original works. I also read that these same books have to get proofed through Lucas to keep the timelines and continuity Correct.
X-Wing Squadron was a great series devoted to Wedge Antillies and his carreer after the destruction of the second Death Star.
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There are also a great line of books that keep the stories alive well beyond even Lucas' original works. I also read that these same books have to get proffed through Lucas to keep the timelines and continuity Correct.
X-Wing Squadron was a great series devoted to Wedge Antillies and his carreer after the destruction of the second Death Star.
Great series. Ive read just about all of the star wars books. Not the new stuff though, I like the stuff around the timeline of the original trilogy
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I just saw the trailer again and the thing that gets me is that I wish they would have used a different graphics engine than what they used. All the Charaters look to "Jelly Bean" for lack of a better description.
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yup, totally agree, i am not wastin a penny on that movie, it looks horrable
-BigBOBCH
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Actually it was 12 movies (four trilogies), and, no, I do not think the other 3 will be made. So for all intents and purposes the story (as far as the movie going public is concerned) is over.
Nah....if there's money to be made....SOMEBODY will make them.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=yA14TnyCkgE
Now, don't get me wrong, I LOVE star wars, but this... this is just a travesty. It used to be that the movies had a good plot line, good dialogue, and any humor was a bit more... masked at least. Now here is this cartoon version, that is just like the crap you see day to day on cartoon network. I think this is really going to kill Star Wars for the people who grew up with originals.
Considering you weren't even a gleam in your daddy's eyes when the originals came out, you really wouldn't know. I was lucky enough to see a special screening over the weekend and I have to say it was very good and your description of the movie is way off the mark. Not surprised though, since all you based your opinion on was a 2 minute and 30 second trailer. I honestly thought it was far better than Episodes I, II, and III, which by the way are the ones that almost killed it for us that grew up with the original trilogy.
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Well the acting in that trailer already looks better than episodes 1 2 and 3 :D
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Considering you weren't even a gleam in your daddy's eyes when the originals came out, you really wouldn't know. I was lucky enough to see a special screening over the weekend and I have to say it was very good and your description of the movie is way off the mark. Not surprised though, since all you based your opinion on was a 2 minute and 30 second trailer. I honestly thought it was far better than Episodes I, II, and III, which by the way are the ones that almost killed it for us that grew up with the original trilogy.
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Granted, I wasn't alive when they very first came out, but I was fortunate enough to have grown up just as the original trilogy hit theatres BEFORE episode I came out. Beleive it or not, I DID grow up with IV V and VI.
And actually, this was the best trailer ive seen of the movie. All of the trailers I have seen have such horrible dialogue, even compared to I II and III, and it couldn't hold a candle to IV V and VI from what ive seen.
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Don't let me to rain on your parade but...ok, yes I will. Lucas started the downward spiral of this franchise with Epi. VI "The Return of the Ewoks"
<---- 10 years old in '77. Best summer of my life.
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I don't think it will be too bad...will definitely wait for it on DVD though. There were was a cartoon series devoted to the Clone Wars that aired on Cartoon Network(which this is based off of) that was "Official Canon", so it shouldn't be some hodgepodge of random Star Wars mockery. Besides you can do alot more with cartoons than you can with actors. I do wish the art didn't look so corny and campy. If they had gone the Beowulf/Final Fantasy route this would be awesome. But alas, Lucas set on the cash-cow trail long ago, and this is yet another excuse to market to the kid audience that will make their parents go see this, buy the toys(already seen advertisements), and buy it on DVD.
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Don't let me to rain on your parade but...ok, yes I will. Lucas started the downward spiral of this franchise with Epi. VI "The Return of the Ewoks"
<---- 10 years old in '77. Best summer of my life.
Really? Episode VI was actually my favorite I think. I didn't fancy the ewoks, but im obsessed with the space ships, ESPECIALLY the big ones, so I LOVED the uber-climax space fight at the end, lol.
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I'd like to see a movie based on the game Knights of the Old Republic. Darth Revan is one of my favorite characters.
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Yeah, the Ewoks were extremely annoying. The stormtroopers wasted the Jawas but the lil Ewoks were left alive? Whatev...
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horrible just horrible.
the sadest thing of it all is that even IF he really wanted to do it animated.. this animation is YEARS behind that used by Square Enix to make the final fantasy spirits within movie.
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Didnt look that bad to me actually. I will get it when its out on DVD.
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horrible just horrible.
the sadest thing of it all is that even IF he really wanted to do it animated.. this animation is YEARS behind that used by Square Enix to make the final fantasy spirits within movie.
LucasArts went with a more cell shaded animation look where as the company I work for prefers a more realistic look with their CGI movies like Final Fantasy Advent Children and Spirits Within.
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How involved was Lucas in this, though? I'm assuming not very, which means this could possibly be good.
He certainly wasn't a big part of the Tie Fighter PC game, and that was one of the finest games of all time.
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New ride for the SAPPs out there.
http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/p38starfighter/
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I have the prequel trilogy on DVD. Haven't watched any of them since Episode III first came out on it.
I have the OT double-pack with the original un-Specialied versions on Disk 2 and that's the only ones I've been watching.
Read most of the books up through the end of New Jedi Order. They SHOULD have stopped with the last book in the previous run (Vision of the Future). I never even read the last series (as far as I'm concerned, Mara is alive).
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Considering you weren't even a gleam in your daddy's eyes when the originals came out, you really wouldn't know. I was lucky enough to see a special screening over the weekend and I have to say it was very good and your description of the movie is way off the mark. Not surprised though, since all you based your opinion on was a 2 minute and 30 second trailer. I honestly thought it was far better than Episodes I, II, and III, which by the way are the ones that almost killed it for us that grew up with the original trilogy.
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I haven't seen enough of it to fall in line with the naysayers. I might catch a matinee sometime.
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I have the prequel trilogy on DVD. Haven't watched any of them since Episode III first came out on it.
I have the OT double-pack with the original un-Specialied versions on Disk 2 and that's the only ones I've been watching.
Read most of the books up through the end of New Jedi Order. They SHOULD have stopped with the last book in the previous run (Vision of the Future). I never even read the last series (as far as I'm concerned, Mara is alive).
I think the latest one in the timeline I read was vision of the future as well. I could never really get into that whole organic-alien-weapons thing...
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The glory days of Star Wars were over a long, long time ago. Lucas is just milking it for everything he can now. Sad.
If this thread doesn't bring Chairboy out of the woodwork, nothing will.
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just in case any star wars nuts haven't seen it, heres a link to an episode of the hit Imperial TV show TROOPS:
http://download.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/troops/troops.zip (http://download.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/troops/troops.zip)
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Star Wars Required Reading:
Timothy Zahn
Michael Stackpole
Aaron Allston
Everyone else can be flushed. Kevin J. Anderson should be buried to his neck in sand and then stoned.
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i think the first star wars was intended to be a one time movie, but it made so much money that lucas decided to do sequels, when you have a money maker you run with it.
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i think the first star wars was intended to be a one time movie, but it made so much money that lucas decided to do sequels, when you have a money maker you run with it.
That was his original intent but as he kept on rewriting the original Star Wars treatment and screenplay, he found that a single movie wasn't large enough to tell the story he wanted. His original intent was to pay homage to the old Saturday morning seriel matinees he grew up watching as a child.
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Star Wars Required Reading:
Timothy Zahn
Michael Stackpole
Aaron Allston
Everyone else can be flushed. Kevin J. Anderson should be buried to his neck in sand and then stoned.
Tomothy Zahn rocks
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Yep. Zahn was probably the closest to capturing the characters and atmosphere of the Original Trilogy out of all the other authors. And I know she takes a lot of flak from some fans, but Mara Jade was the best character to come out of the Expanded Universe.
Stackpole wasn't far behind in that regard, and I loved Allston's sense of humor.
However The best part of these three IMO is that they skirted around all the badly screwed up tech guides and hid pre-West End Games specs in their writing (I think Stackpole is the only writer who ever got away with correctly sizing the Super Star Destroyer).
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However The best part of these three IMO is that they skirted around all the badly screwed up tech guides and hid pre-West End Games specs in their writing (I think Stackpole is the only writer who ever got away with correctly sizing the Super Star Destroyer).
Ive always heard it as being 1,600 meters. Is that wrong?
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Imperator-class (Imperial Star Destroyer) is 1600 meters. The Super Star Destroyer is 17.6km (per scaling in the films, and ILM's own statements in interviews during the filming of ESB and RotJ). West End Games incorrectly cut that length roughly in half (8000m).
Unfortunately, WEG took a "who cares" approach to research, not realizing that their target audience--nerds--actually DO care about these details. Apparently, they must have missed the reaction to Star Trek.... Because they were the first official source, all subsequent products must follow them.
Oh, and for good measure, here's my OWN Wednesday Red-head. :D
(http://www.ffurg.com/casting_call/marajade/mara-decipher.jpg)
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Funny thing, I actually did that for the last movie (Episode III). First, last and ONLY time I will ever do that. I thought it would be fun, ya know. Star Wars nerds like me have been doing that since the beginning, I thought It was time for me to go to one of the midnight premiers, (Since it was going to be the last). I always thought I was a nerd... and then I saw the other guys waiting in line! lol.
No way in hell I'm even going to pay to see this one.
I'd just like to comment that you were not in existence "from the beginning." Move along.
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Imperator-class (Imperial Star Destroyer) is 1600 meters. The Super Star Destroyer is 17.6km (per scaling in the films, and ILM's own statements in interviews during the filming of ESB and RotJ). West End Games incorrectly cut that length roughly in half (8000m).
Unfortunately, WEG took a "who cares" approach to research, not realizing that their target audience--nerds--actually DO care about these details. Apparently, they must have missed the reaction to Star Trek.... Because they were the first official source, all subsequent products must follow them.
Oh, and for good measure, here's my OWN Wednesday Red-head. :D
(http://www.ffurg.com/casting_call/marajade/mara-decipher.jpg)
By SSD you mean the Executor, right? The books I have state 8,000 meters (In The Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, text by Bill Smith, Schematics by Troy Vigil) and 12,800 meters (The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, text by W. Haden Blackman) and (I believe in one of the Rogue Squadron series, though I don't recall which book exactly) it was supposed to be 10 times the size of an Imperial II. The Eclipse-class SSD is, however listed as being 17,500 meters in both books. As we can see, no two sources always agree on these things, but could there have been a mix-up?
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I'd just like to comment that you were not in existence "from the beginning." Move along.
Would just like to comment and say that you, while in existence at the time, did not see the beginning.
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Talk about coming into a story half way. :rock
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By SSD you mean the Executor, right? The books I have state 8,000 meters (In The Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, text by Bill Smith, Schematics by Troy Vigil)
This is wrong. It comes from the Sourcebooks for the old West End Games Star Wars RPG and was based on a misinterpretation of "Five times as powerful" meaning "five times as LARGE." The EGVV (editions 1, 2, and so on) are just repeating the same bad information, and introduce all SORTS of problems of their own (their schematics for most of the ships are just plain WRONG. If you go by their schematics for the E-wing, the cockpit area is no more than three feet wide!)
and 12,800 meters (The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, text by W. Haden Blackman)...
Also wrong. This was a half-assed attempt to "fix" the error after enough people called them on it.
...and (I believe in one of the Rogue Squadron series, though I don't recall which book exactly) it was supposed to be 10 times the size of an Imperial II.
I'll have to double-check, but I believe the quote came from X-wing Book 4: The Bacta War, and the officer said 11 times, which is the 17.6km length I indicated above. Been a while since I read it, but I remember that the quote nailed the length exactly.
The Eclipse-class SSD is, however listed as being 17,500 meters in both books. As we can see, no two sources always agree on these things, but could there have been a mix-up?
I have EGV v1, and it places the Eclipse at 16km.
As far as differences in the sources, you have to look at the overall context.
The first published size statements by West End Games places Executor at 8km long. This is contrary to not only ILM information, but visual "yardsticking" using the Imperial Star Destroyer in all scenes where the two ships are shown side-by-side (one in particular shot from ESB shows an ISD behind Executor that is clearly at LEAST 1/11 the size of the smaller ship. A second ISD is in front at nearly the same scale. ALL SUBSEQUENT STAR WARS MATERIAL was required by the licensing agreements with LucasFilm to abide by the West End Games data.
Later editions of the Sourcebooks attempted to fix the discrepancy by slowly bumping up the size. The new Wizards of the Coast game further worked to correct this, unfortunately the damage was done.
A few authors like Stackpole recognized these mistakes and fixed them, although they had to do it VERY subtly to slip past the licensing police.
I'm not sure if the site is still there, but look for the Star Wars Technical Commentaries by Curtis Saxton. He did a VERY in-depth analysis on this. The "Size of the SSD" article is the most valuable thing on the site. The rest you can pretty much ignore, as Saxton puts a lot of his own politics and ego into it. I, and others, have pointed out flaws in some of his arguments (naval terminology on the whole and as relates to Star Destroyers in particular--he consistently ignores the fact that Star Destroyer is a proper noun, not a "destroyer" in the traditional sense--and pretty much every shred of "evidence" he claims is in the RotJ film that proves the Ewoks were wiped out by the Death Star explosion is actually heavily forced and truthfully non-existent) but unfortunately, Mr. Saxton likes to wave his astro-physics degree in everyone's face, despite the fact that outside of actual FUNCTIONALITY that really doesn't lend much to analysis of the ships themselves.
Also, as a bit of shameless self-promotion, I wrote this up a while ago:
Starfighters of the Rebellion (http://saxman.xwlegacy.net/Starfighters/Starfighters.html)
I only got as far as a general survey, and the specific page on the X-wing before I lost interest. It's pretty old, though.
It looks best if you download this font: StarJedi (http://saxman.xwlegacy.net/Starjedi.ttf)
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This is wrong. It comes from the Sourcebooks for the old West End Games Star Wars RPG and was based on a misinterpretation of "Five times as powerful" meaning "five times as LARGE." The EGVV (editions 1, 2, and so on) are just repeating the same bad information, and introduce all SORTS of problems of their own (their schematics for most of the ships are just plain WRONG. If you go by their schematics for the E-wing, the cockpit area is no more than three feet wide!)
Also wrong. This was a half-assed attempt to "fix" the error after enough people called them on it.
I'll have to double-check, but I believe the quote came from X-wing Book 4: The Bacta War, and the officer said 11 times, which is the 17.6km length I indicated above. Been a while since I read it, but I remember that the quote nailed the length exactly.
I have EGV v1, and it places the Eclipse at 16km.
As far as differences in the sources, you have to look at the overall context.
The first published size statements by West End Games places Executor at 8km long. This is contrary to not only ILM information, but visual "yardsticking" using the Imperial Star Destroyer in all scenes where the two ships are shown side-by-side (one in particular shot from ESB shows an ISD behind Executor that is clearly at LEAST 1/11 the size of the smaller ship. A second ISD is in front at nearly the same scale. ALL SUBSEQUENT STAR WARS MATERIAL was required by the licensing agreements with LucasFilm to abide by the West End Games data.
Later editions of the Sourcebooks attempted to fix the discrepancy by slowly bumping up the size. The new Wizards of the Coast game further worked to correct this, unfortunately the damage was done.
A few authors like Stackpole recognized these mistakes and fixed them, although they had to do it VERY subtly to slip past the licensing police.
I'm not sure if the site is still there, but look for the Star Wars Technical Commentaries by Curtis Saxton. He did a VERY in-depth analysis on this. The "Size of the SSD" article is the most valuable thing on the site. The rest you can pretty much ignore, as Saxton puts a lot of his own politics and ego into it. I, and others, have pointed out flaws in some of his arguments (naval terminology on the whole and as relates to Star Destroyers in particular--he consistently ignores the fact that Star Destroyer is a proper noun, not a "destroyer" in the traditional sense--and pretty much every shred of "evidence" he claims is in the RotJ film that proves the Ewoks were wiped out by the Death Star explosion is actually heavily forced and truthfully non-existent) but unfortunately, Mr. Saxton likes to wave his astro-physics degree in everyone's face, despite the fact that outside of actual FUNCTIONALITY that really doesn't lend much to analysis of the ships themselves.
Also, as a bit of shameless self-promotion, I wrote this up a while ago:
Starfighters of the Rebellion (http://saxman.xwlegacy.net/Starfighters/Starfighters.html)
I only got as far as a general survey, and the specific page on the X-wing before I lost interest. It's pretty old, though.
It looks best if you download this font: StarJedi (http://saxman.xwlegacy.net/Starjedi.ttf)
;)
God I forgot how much I missed discussions like this! lol. (I used to play another online video game about starwars...)
We are complete nerds knowing all of this, but yes, I agree completely.
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Been several years since I've really looked at any of this, too. God, the memories. Had some great discussions on Rob Brown's forums before he closed up shop right about the time Episode II was released. Rob Brown was LITERALLY the guy that people at the Ranch told horror stories about. This is NOT a joke. One of the best ways to lose influence with Lucas was to mention you're a friend of Rob Brown! He was actually cast as a Jedi extra in the Arena Battle of Episode II, but as soon as they found out who he was, they got political on him and had ILM digitally paint him out whenever he was on-screen (after giving him the cheapest, worst-looking costume after they "lost" his measurements). He has a special hatred of Jedi Sword Dance fight choreographer Nick Gilliard, who fell in love with a bunch of hippies who "practiced" kendo, but were actually a bunch of skill-less tools and gave them the attention over Rob and the guys who REALLY knew their stuff. He also absolutely REFUSED to accept any technical argument derived from West End Games.
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Been several years since I've really looked at any of this, too. God, the memories. Had some great discussions on Rob Brown's forums before he closed up shop right about the time Episode II was released. Rob Brown was LITERALLY the guy that people at the Ranch told horror stories about. This is NOT a joke. One of the best ways to lose influence with Lucas was to mention you're a friend of Rob Brown! He was actually cast as a Jedi extra in the Arena Battle of Episode II, but as soon as they found out who he was, they got political on him and had ILM digitally paint him out whenever he was on-screen (after giving him the cheapest, worst-looking costume after they "lost" his measurements). He has a special hatred of Jedi Sword Dance fight choreographer Nick Gilliard, who fell in love with a bunch of hippies who "practiced" kendo, but were actually a bunch of skill-less tools and gave them the attention over Rob and the guys who REALLY knew their stuff. He also absolutely REFUSED to accept any technical argument derived from West End Games.
Well, from the sound of things, he was right!
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I took more of a compromise approach: The films over-ruled all else--PERIOD--followed by the novelizations/radio dramas OF the films. Pre-production or other work used directly in the making of the films was then the next choice to fill in the blanks. What was left was filled out using the other source material (common sense, historical precedence, and actual science came first, followed by the games, novels, comics, etc).
The one that would have been most interesting to do is the E-wing, because she's probably the fighter that has the most material on her WITHOUT having originated in the films. She's also my favorite ship in the EU.
Highlights of that page would have been:
The EGV blueprints are impossible. With a stated length of ~11m long, the schematics would make the ship no more than a meter wide at the cockpit. It wouldn't have been possible to fit a pilot in there.
Unlike the X-wing, which has the film model to go by, there IS no consistent visual reference on the E-wing. Although the general configuration remains the same, all other details vary depending on who's doing the artwork. Personally, I prefer the design as presented in Dark Empire. Although the artwork isn't the best, it's still the original source material so should hold the same precedence as the films do for fighters such as the X-wing. This changes a LOT of details about this ship, including:
The dorsal cannon becomes SIGNIFICANTLY larger. Almost twice the length of the two wing cannon.
The EGV locates a "pod" under the centerline that it labels as a single torpedo launcher. In no image of the ship within Dark Empire is such a pod present. Only the two under-wing pods where the aft landing gear retract can be seen in all representations of the ship.
The silouhette itself changes. The EGV ship is stubbier, with an X-wing-like nosecone.. The wings have a forward/aft symmetry and the wingtip is rather short with a strong anhedral. Her dorsal cannon is the same length as the wing guns. The wing engine pods are centered under the wings (forward/aft). The Dark Empire E-wing is sleeker and has more of a hawk-like nosecone. Additionally, the wings have a more gradual downward angle, and the span of the wingtip is greater. They're also more rhomboid, with a nearly straight trailing edge and a strongly swept leading edge. The dorsal cannon is also much longer, extending well past the canopy. The wing engines are not centered in their mounts, but instead extend further forward.
The engine location, well below the vessel's center of mass, is impractical. Without some other mechanism, torque from the off-center line of thrust would make the ship perpetually loop in space. This is solved by:
There is the possibility the ship has THREE, not two, engines. Incidental artwork in Dark Empire shows engine thrust originating from the fighter's aft bulkhead. This is further supported by Crimson Empire, which clearly shows E-wings with an engine array in the rear bulkhead. Additionally, there is the intake/cooling grill assembly on the flanks of the fuselage beneath the cockpit. No other fighter has this, EXCEPT when associated with engines (note the intakes on the B-wing for comparison). The wing engines already have such an opening (similar to the X-wing's). Likely the centerline engines counter the the rotational torque of the wing engines.
The DE E-wing has a prominent ovoid opening on each side of the nose cone. The structure is identical to the torpedo launcher ports on the X-wing. If true, this would DEFINITELY overrule the West End Games stat of a single launcher tube. Experiments I did with 3D models HAVE shown the E-wing can carry the 16-torpedo loadout (rotating launcher track similar to the Y-wing's in the Incredible Cross-section book).
There's some evidence that the E-wing carries a pair of ion cannon. First, the lead E-wing in Dark Empire orders his squadrons to arm their "Turbos and ion cannons" when arriving at Mon Calamari. Second, one frame of the comic shows muzzle flashes on the E-wing's wingroot, consistent with the comic's representation of weapons fire. These are clearly not the wing guns, which are well outboard at the tip of each wing. It's also not coming from the ovoid structures in the nose. No other weaponry is ever indicated in this position. With the laser cannon and torpedoes ruled out, this leaves only the ion cannon.
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To go back to the original statement. I don't think this upcoming movie is made for the 20, 30 and 40 year old SW nerds who grew up watching and reading anything we could about the movies, etc... In my opinion this movie is made for kids between the ages of 3 or 4 years old and 12 who may not have seen the original Star Wars movies. So unless you fit that demographic then you really shouldn't bang on a company for trying to do what we all see; they are trying to milk the money out of the parents in order to try and hook another generation of fans for the series in whatever form.
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The problem is when said company lets their new imagining displace what came before. All you have to do is look around at the derivative products. Nick Gilliard's Jedi Saber Dance has become the status-quo depiction of lightsaber combat (every game since the Prequels bowed have made use of the ludicrously impractical flashy twirling over the grounded style of the original trilogy) makes for a good example of this. The duels in the prequels were so BORING, bordering on laughable (flying and flipping Yoda in Episodes II and III was just TOO MUCH). They lost the impact and drama of the duels of the original trilogy.
What made the fight between Obi-Wan and Vader such an intense experience in the original film was the mind games underneath: Here was master and student facing each other again, with the master knowing his end has come but having to fight this one last battle.
What made Luke's fight against Vader in Empire so dramatic was not just the unexpected revelation of Luke's origins, but the sheer menace of Vader and his cat-like cruelty as he toyed with Luke throughout their encounter, trying to find that one point where Luke's control of his fear and hatred would at last give way and in doing so he would fall, and Luke's final resolution that he would rather die than follow that path.
What made the final duel in Return of the Jedi between father and son so powerful was the emotional current running underneath: Luke's unwillingness to strike down his own father and his desire to forgive. Vader's own internal conflict, torn between the master he hated and feared, and his love for his son, the last remnant of the good man he had once been. Of all the duels this was my favorite because of how much was at stake. Luke and Vader weren't just fighting for their lives, they were fighting for their SOULS, each trying to turn the other: Luke to redeem, Vader to corrupt, and that it was LOVE--Luke's love for his father, for his sister, and for his friends that threw back the Dark Side and brought Anakin back into the light.
This was MISSING from the Prequels. The fights here were little more than a matter of good guys and bad guys fighting because that's what good guys and bad guys should do. Whether Lucas intended to or not, the Original Trilogy brought an emotional and spiritual depth to Science Fiction that has rarely been seen. This is the TRUE heart of Star Wars, and its absence from the Prequels left a void that made it all seem stiff and automatic. The soul is gone, and all that was left of it was a shell.
It's a sad, sad realization that THIS is the legacy LucasFilm wishes to push to younger generations.
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In my opinion this movie is made for kids between the ages of 3 or 4 years old and 12 who may not have seen the original Star Wars movies.
You could be right...However, at 40+ Im sure I'll end up watching it sooner or later and will probably get a kick out of it.
Im not totally anal about this stuff. I easily entertained :)
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You could be right...However, at 40+ Im sure I'll end up watching it sooner or later and will probably get a kick out of it.
Im not totally anal about this stuff. I easily entertained :)
I am easily entertained as well and I will be taking my 5 year old and 11 year old to go see it. Heck I took my oldest son to see the re-release of Episodes 4,5 and 6 before Episode 1 came out and he was only a tiny little baby not even a year old yet at that time in 1997.
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ahh i never get tired of that lightsaber woosh
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ahh i never get tired of that lightsaber woosh
lol. The ORIGINAL lightsaber toys that came out caught that one pretty well. I have an original Luke one and an original Vader. Not in their original boxes of course, im not that much of a nerd. I played with them as a kid when my parents finally thought it was safe to give them to me without me instantly destroying them, lol.