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Zazen13, If somebody can explain it and how it works ...I got a hunch you can!
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It must be "Bait poor 'ole Zaz week"! I've got thread stalkers hunting me like I'm in, "The Most Dangerous Game". It's pretty bad when getting my arse shot off in the game feels like a gentle, tender back rub compared to the forums... I'm going to do this for you 999000, but if the thread stalkers attack you'd better watch my back bro..:aok
I like to think of Grace as the active principle of righteousness, or "right action". The universe as it is presented to us each moment in time is a complex latticework of God's design, always in harmonious balance and perfect. A graceful person seamlessly flows with the environment without disturbing it, a function of it, similarly perfectly balanced. Moreover, the truly graceful person does so in an effortless way. Grace is not a function of effort or deliberate intention but an incidental byproduct of an unconscious symbiosis with the "right way" of life. Grace is beautiful because it is passive action. The act of doing something without any semblance of conflict between the individual and the will of the universe, of which we are an inseparable part, to maintain equilibrium in motion. For example, in pool I always tell my students, go with the flow, don't fight it, let the table tell you how to play the shot, don't force your play upon it.
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It must be "Bait poor 'ole Zaz week"!
Your verbose nature invites it, in my opinion. I'll leave it at that.
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Your verbose nature invites it, in my opinion. I'll leave it at that.
I just like to think of him as the puffy ack of the BBs. :D
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I just like to think of him as the puffy ack of the BBs. :D
LoL
That hadn't occurred to me, but upon some reflection, I think you may have hit upon something important.
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And thread stalkers are like spawncampers, content to take cheap potshots from the woods at brave souls with enough moxie to "hang it out there" for the sake of entertainment and fun even if at their own expense... ;)
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And thread stalkers are like spawncampers, content to take cheap potshots from the woods at brave souls with enough moxie to "hang it out there" for the sake of entertainment and fun even if at their own expense... ;)
Well, I can only assume that you aren't calling me a thread stalker Zaz. But I will freely tell you that you need to tone down your prose a bit. You write like a teenager who is trying to impress someone with all of the fancy big words that you know. Or... Actually, you remind me of a lawyer, who uses language to manipulate meaning.
Honestly, I really don't have any substantial reason to slam you... But, honestly, your posts typically read as if you are talking down to your readers.
Even when I agree with you, which is frequent, your writing style can be annoying.
I hope that you will take this post for what it is and evaluate your writing style.
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I hope that you will take this post for what it is and evaluate your writing style.
I've long since reconciled myself to writing badly, it doesn't ever bother me anymore. My most heartfelt condolences to you though and my humble apologies for subjecting you to my aweful writing... :D
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I've long since reconciled myself to writing badly, it doesn't ever bother me anymore. My most heartfelt condolences to you though and my humble apologies for subjecting you to my aweful writing... :D
Don't apologize for your writing, if you strongly believe in your position. Apologize for writing in such a way that alienates your readers. That is your failing.
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Don't apologize for your writing, if you strongly believe in your position. Apologize for writing in such a way that alienates your readers. That is your failing.
Thanks for the critique...I look forward to reading your published works... ;)
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Thanks for the critique... ;)
You're quite welcome, as it happens, I have a bit of education in the field and my published works are available. Always happy to share, even with those who like to dismiss things with a ;).
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You're quite welcome, as it happens, I have a bit of education in the field and my published works are available. Always happy to share, even with those who like to dismiss things with a ;).
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Well let's have some titles...I am always looking for a good book to read, don't be shy... ;)
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Well let's have some titles...I am always looking for a good book to read, don't be shy... ;)
You first Mr Literature.
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You first Mr Literature.
That's what I thought...
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I kind of enjoy it when Zazen goes through a long period of boredom. It happens every now and then, and I usually come out of it with a new vocabulary word or two :D
You'd be suprised just how many new words I learned after having to look up "symbiosis." The google search led to an interesting read in and of itself :aok
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You first Mr Literature.
haven't read that one.
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Zazen me ol fruit. Don't you dare go changing your writing style. I appreciate a concise educated conversation. I especially like your use of words. Why use a whole sentence when one word says it all.
Don't let us fiko's drag u down :aok
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I kind of enjoy it when Zazen goes through a long period of boredom. It happens every now and then, and I usually come out of it with a new vocabulary word or two :D
You'd be suprised just how many new words I learned after having to look up "symbiosis." The google search led to an interesting read in and of itself :aok
Believe it or not I'm a geek (no crap eh?) :lol....I actually talk exactly how I write casually, maybe even a bit moreso as I don't have to spell the words I want to use verbally. I could write for three year olds if I choose, but I figure anyone playing AH deserves some $5 words that will win them a game of Scrabble one day. It's also a public service for the teens that dropped out of high school to play AH for a living. It may be the last educational experience they have until GED class at the incarceration facility at Angola State Prison. My wife's a country girl from the deep south, just by listening to me for the past 6 years her vocabulary has increased 300%, she even beat me for the first time ever in Scrabble the other night (I got stuck with the Q & X :uhoh).
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Dont change a thing zaz . You have a style that reminds me of a 19th century gentleman . When english was a "graceful" language .
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Zazen me ol fruit. Don't you dare go changing your writing style. I appreciate a concise educated conversation. I especially like your use of words. Why use a whole sentence when one word says it all.
Don't let us fiko's drag u down :aok
Ty Sir :salute
Yea, I said that in another thread, probably in response to one of these thread stalkers...Why use 5 imperfect words to convey an abstract thought imperfectly when you can just use 1 perfect word, even if it has 7 syllables...I write this kind of casual stuff almost like I would poetry. Some words just go together, some words I use to help with imagery or for double meanings that want to let the reader decide the meaning. It's far less like writing an essay than writing a poem. I really feel badly for those that hate my writing because I really want to amuse and entertain on a discussion forum.
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Dont change a thing zaz . You have a style that reminds me of a 19th century gentleman . When english was a "graceful" language .
Yea, all writing back then had a sense of poetry to it. Language was an instrument of inspiration and conveyance of ideas. Now language is an instrument of texting. As an artform it's on life-support.
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Ty Sir :salute
Yea, I said that in another thread, probably in response to one of these thread stalkers...Why use 5 imperfect words to convey an abstract thought imperfectly when you can just use 1 perfect word, even if it has 7 syllables...I write this kind of casual stuff almost like I would poetry. Some words just go together, some words I use to help with imagery or for double meanings that want to let the reader decide the meaning. It's far less like writing an essay than writing a poem. I really feel badly for those that hate my writing because I really want to amuse and entertain on a discussion forum.
My biggest complainant is, I get tired of picking up the old college dictionary, and looking up all the definitions of all the words I probably should have learned in college. I guess that happens when you went to school when Fortran and Colbol were the latest things on the block. :)
Fred
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Zazen ... concise
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I like to think of Grace as the active principle of righteousness, or "right action". The universe as it is presented to us each moment in time is a complex latticework of God's design, always in harmonious balance and perfect. A graceful person seamlessly flows with the environment without disturbing it, a function of it, similarly perfectly balanced. Moreover, the truly graceful person does so in an effortless way. Grace is not a function of effort or deliberate intention but an incidental byproduct of an unconscious symbiosis with the "right way" of life. Grace is beautiful because it is passive action. The act of doing something without any semblance of conflict between the individual and the will of the universe, of which we are an inseparable part, to maintain equilibrium in motion. For example, in pool I always tell my students, go with the flow, don't fight it, let the table tell you how to play the shot, don't force your play upon it.
Nicely done. Then he logs off forums & shoots people down.
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Don't apologize for your writing, if you strongly believe in your position. Apologize for writing in such a way that alienates your readers. That is your failing.
There is nothing to apoligize for, i like his posts. Even if I don't agree they are well thought out and well written.
Don
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I like to think of Grace as the active principle of righteousness, or "right action". The universe as it is presented to us each moment in time is a complex latticework of God's design, always in harmonious balance and perfect. A graceful person seamlessly flows with the environment without disturbing it, a function of it, similarly perfectly balanced. Moreover, the truly graceful person does so in an effortless way. Grace is not a function of effort or deliberate intention but an incidental byproduct of an unconscious symbiosis with the "right way" of life. Grace is beautiful because it is passive action. The act of doing something without any semblance of conflict between the individual and the will of the universe, of which we are an inseparable part, to maintain equilibrium in motion. For example, in pool I always tell my students, go with the flow, don't fight it, let the table tell you how to play the shot, don't force your play upon it.
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Groovy man!! :D
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Grace was a evil Shelia I knew back home? ? ? ? Oh wrong kind of grace sorry.
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Grace was a evil Shelia I knew back home? ? ? ? Oh wrong kind of grace sorry.
I was thinking the same thing and I was very happy to be rid of grace once she was gone from life.
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Your linguistic skills will alter a bit when you become a father, Zazen. Trust me.
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Nicely done. Then he logs off forums & shoots people down.
:lol :)
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Zazen me ol fruit. Don't you dare go changing your writing style. I appreciate a concise educated conversation. I especially like your use of words. Why use a whole sentence when one word says it all.
Don't let us fiko's drag u down :aok
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It's always a pleasure to read your posts.
I like to think of Grace as the active principle of righteousness, or "right action". The universe as it is presented to us each moment in time is a complex latticework of God's design, always in harmonious balance and perfect. A graceful person seamlessly flows with the environment without disturbing it, a function of it, similarly perfectly balanced. Moreover, the truly graceful person does so in an effortless way. Grace is not a function of effort or deliberate intention but an incidental byproduct of an unconscious symbiosis with the "right way" of life. Grace is beautiful because it is passive action. The act of doing something without any semblance of conflict between the individual and the will of the universe, of which we are an inseparable part, to maintain equilibrium in motion. For example, in pool I always tell my students, go with the flow, don't fight it, let the table tell you how to play the shot, don't force your play upon it.
Well done!
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Actually a very insightful assessment.
<--feels "alienated."
(whatever that means)
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Well, I can only assume that you aren't calling me a thread stalker Zaz. But I will freely tell you that you need to tone down your prose a bit. You write like a teenager who is trying to impress someone with all of the fancy big words that you know. Or... Actually, you remind me of a lawyer, who uses language to manipulate meaning.
Honestly, I really don't have any substantial reason to slam you... But, honestly, your posts typically read as if you are talking down to your readers.
Even when I agree with you, which is frequent, your writing style can be annoying.
I hope that you will take this post for what it is and evaluate your writing style.
Sound to me like someone is jealous. Maybe this person is unable to put his words together as well.
I found your little write up about grace to be a bit like poetry in itself. Well thought out and wrote very graceful. Just the any write up about grace should be.
Excellent job Zazen keep it up man
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Your linguistic skills will alter a bit when you become a father, Zazen. Trust me.
Haha Yea, you're not the first person to tell me that actually...That's part of the reason I have some moderate skill with language. My parents (both gone) were extremely intelligent and well-educated. They made it a point to never, ever talk down to me. They spoke to me as if they were talking to one of their colleagues, even at just 3 years old. As a result I was always a "teacher's freaky/scary pet" in class. When the teacher asked to have something abstract explained or defined the classroom would grow silent and everyone would turn to look at me in excited anticipation of being AWED, including the teacher...Later in life this gave me a HUGE competitive advantage in academic life, the workplace and in social settings (intelligent women find language quite sexy, believe it or not). For that reason I will make every effort to not talk down to my son either. People grossly underestimate the ability of young children to learn language skills and through that symbolism, abstract concepts. That part of their brain is a dry sponge just soaking up everything. They learn 100 times more rapidly and easily than an adult could.
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I will put it to you like this Zazen is wicked smart!
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Zazen13 Thanks for the reply ..your a gentlemen and a scholar!.......Zazen13..any chance you would expand your defintion to what is called God's Grace.... Thank You Sir! <S>999000
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And thread stalkers are like spawncampers, content to take cheap potshots from the woods at brave souls with enough moxie to "hang it out there" for the sake of entertainment and fun even if at their own expense... ;)
Yeeeessss. And your point...... :D
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Zazen13 Thanks for the reply ..your a gentlemen and a scholar!.......Zazen13..any chance you would expand your defintion to what is called God's Grace.... Thank You Sir! <S>999000
Well, if I do this, this thread is going to probably get booted to the O'Club.
Divine grace is the reconciliation of mortal souls with the divine.
All mortal beings are intrinsically flawed simply by virtue of the fact that they are subject to the vagaries and temptations of corporeal existence. Through the unavoidable manifestation of these flaws during the course of mortal life a chasm develops separating the individual's soul from the spiritual resonance of the universe. Divine grace is the spiritual "tuning fork" that brings back into harmony the divine consciousness and the soul of a sentient being. Once resonance of spiritual essence is reconciled that soul is considered living in "Divine grace", a state that continues into the afterlife. The central concept of Divine grace is that it is unconditional. Individual souls are not necessarily bound by any requirements. It is a gift from God, the reasons for bestowment known only to him.
For example, a water droplet in a cloud is water, it has the same basic properties as the water in the ocean. But, a water droplet in a cloud is not the ocean. It is a separate and unique element representative of the whole in terms of properties, but divorced from it by time, space and unfulfilled potential. Now, atmospheric conditions change and suddenly the water droplet in the cloud falls in the form of a raindrop, by no will of its own, but as a result of universal forces. Suddenly the water droplet is now in the ocean, separate only in physical theory, but from the perspective of absolution it has become an indivisible entity.
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The central concept of Divine grace is that it is unconditional. Individual souls are not necessarily bound by any requirements. It is a gift from God, the reasons for bestowment known only to him.
Hating to snip off your existential example...
A definition of grace that serves me personally is "undeserved and unconditional gift". While it is a large aspect of the redemptive philosphy of Christianity (devine), it can play out in aspects of our non-spiritual lives as well. I once gave away a favorite electric guitar to a friend who had casually admired it. From his perspective he had received a totally unexpected and unearned bounty. He occasionally pulls it out at gigs and plays the heck out of it and that honors the gift. Grace back at me.
Perhaps Grace is the foundation of "pay it forward' and should be the foundation of our treatment of one another in situations where we are somewhat anonymous (internet)? I can't go that deep, however. The other spiritual concept I am fond of is "Keep It Simple, Stupid".
Grace to You, Zazen.
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I will put it to you like this Zazen is wicked smaht!
fixed!
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Perhaps Grace is the foundation of "pay it forward' and should be the foundation of our treatment of one another in situations where we are somewhat anonymous (internet)? I can't go that deep, however. The other spiritual concept I am fond of is "Keep It Simple, Stupid".
Grace to You, Zazen.
Raider
If you read my original explanation of grace you will see that concept implied. The universe seeks to keep "everything" balanced, nothing lost, nothing gained, "The Law of conservation of mass and energy" incarnate. This includes things on the personal and emotional energy level.
In your guitar example, you intuitively recognized the desire the friend had for the guitar. By giving it to him you complete that desire thereby intuitively balancing desire and fulfilment in him. Replacing the loss of a material possession that held some value for you with a proportional amount of satisfaction from making another person happy inadvertently kept you in balance as well. The difference between doing that gracefully or not gracefully is a matter of differentiating empathically instinctive actions from selfish intentional ones. Giving the guitar to him as an instinctive response to being in a position to make another human being happy is gracing him. But, if you did it to make yourself feel good and have the friend massage your ego by praising your generous nature, that's not graceful.
I'll give another quick example of this. I have a friend who volunteers in a soup kitchen. But, she's not happy just doing it anonymously. She'll tell everyone who stands still long enough of her tireless volunteer work in order to elicit adoration from her peers. That is not being "graceful". A graceful person would work in the soup kitchen and never say a word about it. Fleeting smiles of appreciation on the unfortunate soul's faces that she served each morning would be the unintended, unsolicited and purely incidental reward of her graceful service.
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Zazen13, God has grace you with a wonderful mind..thanks for sharing!
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Zazen13, God has grace you with a wonderful mind..thanks for sharing!
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No problem 999000, I hope I provided some cause for thoughtful contemplation. I don't know about having a "wonderful mind". But, I have never been content to merely skim and skip upon the superficial surface of the water of life. I have always been one to dive right in and try to get to the essence of it through deep introspection and the thorough exploration of abstract concepts. Anyone is welcome to whatever meager insights I may have gleaned from my peculiar perspective, even if just for the purpose of catalyzing one's own healthy intellectual curiosity.
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I enjoy your posts Zaz.Some I find very thought provoking.I have also always liked it when you break down some facts and figures to present an idea.Keep it up pal! :aok
Pipz
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I enjoy your posts Zaz.Some I find very thought provoking.I have also always liked it when you break down some facts and figures to present an idea.Keep it up pal! :aok
Pipz
Thanks Pipz. I remember one of those famous posts where I did that. The strangest thing happened right after I posted it. The ability to break down statistics by country was suddenly and inexplicably removed from the game, never to return...;)
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Divine grace is the reconciliation of mortal souls with the divine.
All mortal beings are intrinsically flawed simply by virtue of the fact that they are subject to the vagaries and temptations of corporeal existence. Through the unavoidable manifestation of these flaws during the course of mortal life a chasm develops separating the individual's soul from the spiritual resonance of the universe. Divine grace is the spiritual "tuning fork" that brings back into harmony the divine consciousness and the soul of a sentient being. Once resonance of spiritual essence is reconciled that soul is considered living in "Divine grace", a state that continues into the afterlife. The central concept of Divine grace is that it is unconditional. Individual souls are not necessarily bound by any requirements. It is a gift from God, the reasons for bestowment known only to him.
Zazen13, and people were excited by an HO
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And thread stalkers are like spawncampers, content to take cheap potshots from the woods at brave souls with enough moxie to "hang it out there" for the sake of entertainment and fun even if at their own expense... ;)
Just ignore them zaz they wouldn't know grace if she spread her legs for them. :rock :aok :salute
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Just ignore them zaz they wouldn't know grace if she spread her legs for them. :rock :aok :salute
Haha Thanks for that meddog, I needed a good chuckle... :rofl
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Zazen13, and people were excited by an HO
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Yup, it's easy to get distracted by the flotsam of life. The more you dwell on it the more importance you give it psychologically. Whenever I find myself doing that I will clear my mind of all thoughts and meditate/pray for a long time. Then, refreshed, like a clean slate I am ready to reengage those in-love with the agonizingly, pitiful minutia of the cartoon world.
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Your original definition very much resembles Buddhism in that Buddhists seek to reach enlightenment ("grace"?), in the end, through the elimination of conflict. However, your original treatise suggest that grace, as you've defined it, cannot be "attained". If this is the case, do we engage in a futile pursuit of the unattainable or do we merely strive to recognize the virtues of true grace and accept that we will allways fall short? As stated, there can be no grace as there is no way to attain it.
The Buddhist tradition allows that one can reach enlightenment by the expressed and dedicated application of will to overcome worldly distractions. One would think that the first step toward "attaining" grace would be the recognition that there is a higher order and a personal commitment to values and deeds that lend themselves to attaining this perfectly integrated state. I believe that grace, as you've defined, can be attained through the correct application of priciples bound by the theory that there is a higher order and it can be achieved.
Your theory of Grace is convincing but I believe it is flawed on this one point. It would, of course, be helpful to know which definition of grace was desired as there are others beyond what has been discussed here.
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Thanks Pipz. I remember one of those famous posts where I did that. The strangest thing happened right after I posted it. The ability to break down statistics by country was suddenly and inexplicably removed from the game, never to return...;)
"if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable."
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A graceful person would work in the soup kitchen and never say a word about it.
Certainly the left hand should not know what the right hand is doing. True grace does not anticipate or expect grace (or any other reward) in return. The act of grace is reward in itself. Anything beyond that is gravy, to coin a phrase. But you cannot deny that an act of grace 'feels good'. But that good feeling and the act behind it should not be shared outside of philosophical discussions (such as this one). I gave a personal example when I should have used a general one. Thanks for pointing that out. It helps me on my journey.
The philosophical notion of a society operating on grace is compelling indeed. We are spiritual beings, and the ideal of grace is acted out despite the mores and false dicta that the world operates on. A soldier who smothers a grenade to prevent injuries to his fellow soldiers is an outstanding example and much documented. Those that dive back into an impossible fight, just to save an often anonymous teammate are exihibiting grace...whether they mean to or not.
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Your original definition very much resembles Buddhism in that Buddhists seek to reach enlightenment ("grace"?), in the end, through the elimination of conflict. However, your original treatise suggest that grace, as you've defined it, cannot be "attained". If this is the case, do we engage in a futile pursuit of the unattainable or do we merely strive to recognize the virtues of true grace and accept that we will allways fall short? As stated, there can be no grace as there is no way to attain it.
The Buddhist tradition allows that one can reach enlightenment by the expressed and dedicated application of will to overcome worldly distractions. One would think that the first step toward "attaining" grace would be the recognition that there is a higher order and a personal commitment to values and deeds that lend themselves to attaining this perfectly integrated state. I believe that grace, as you've defined, can be attained through the correct application of priciples bound by the theory that there is a higher order and it can be achieved.
Your theory of Grace is convincing but I believe it is flawed on this one point. It would, of course, be helpful to know which definition of grace was desired as there are others beyond what has been discussed here.
I like how you are thinking. I was trying to keep this out of the religious context as much as possible. I think some may confuse my original definition of grace with that of divine grace later in the thread. They are actually quite distinct in that grace is conditional and temporary, divine grace is a permanent unconditional bestowment from God. Also, divine grace deals specifically with the Christian view of spirituality although other religions have similar concepts. Grace can exist with no overtly spiritual connotation whatsoever.
There is a difference between the concept of enlightenment and perfect enlightenment which is also known as Nirvana. A sentient being can be temporarily enlightened but perfect enlightenment is forever and inheritantly, permanently transformative. Attaining perfect enlightenment is technically impossible for a human being because the precise instant it happens your mind ceases to be human. Your mind instantly evolves and in doing so is liberated from the cycle of cause and effect.
An enlightenment experience on the other hand is a state of mind attainable by human beings. It is a point at which your mind is in harmony with the universe, at that point there is no "gap" or interface between the two. It can last for a second a week or more. But, eventually the mind reverts to the unenlightened state. It's like trying to ride a bolt of white lightning, at some point you become "self-conscious" and in doing so develop a relativistic view, "I am riding the white lightning! I am enlightened!", once you do that you've created the symbolic self-perception in your mind of separation between your experience and your conscious awareness and are by definition no longer in an enlightened state.
So, if you want to take my definition of grace and conceive of it as enlightenment that is ok, but not necessary or entirely accurate. Just like enlightenment, as it is conditional, grace is potentially temporary. Grace can apply to any action of anything, not even necessarily a living thing. In contrast, non-sentient and non-living things cannot be enlightened. Grace is an active principle, elightenment can be active or passive. You can do something in an enlightened fashion, but you can also just "be" enlightened as it is simply a state of mind. You can do something gracefully, but you can't just be graceful without being in action. A state of mind akin to enlightenment is possible, but without an active interaction of the mind or body with the physical universe it is not actually the act of "being" graceful.... The natural world abounds with grace as there is no mind to interfere and cause to be seperate the harmonious will of the universe and the action of the object. For example...
A star moves around the center of its galaxy with luminously majestic grace.
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The mountain peaks of the Himalayas rise with graceful authority over the clouded sky below.
Individuals and even animals can demonstrate grace conditionally and temporarily. For example...
The cheetah raced across the grassy plain with gracefully fluid strides.
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Even though he lost the race the 3rd place finisher of the 100 meters demonstrated the grace of a champion even in defeat.
As you can see by these examples, grace can come and go, it is an often temporary synchronization of the entity with the universe. It is always by accident, you can't be graceful on purpose. It's like looking at yourself in 3rd person riding the white lightning, the moment you do it you are no longer "being" graceful. You've now created a sense of separation in your mind between the experience itself and your conscious awareness, thereby creating subjectivity. For example, I am a graceful pool player, I play fluidly, my mind is one with the experience, there's no I or opponent or insinuation of me doing anything to something in my mind, I just play. But, although I've never actually tried, I highly doubt I could be an equally graceful ballet dancer.
The state of mind of grace is a conditional and active principle, not passive or necessarily all pervasive and eternal.
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Love it Zazen and it is very agreeable with things in life , there are always those that seem to walk about an 1" off the floor . For me when devilish actions I had performed caused me hard times , it was percieved by me to be bad luck . In reality if I behave as a good normal human being , my life is golden and I walk an 1" off the floor . Call this my Zaz if you will or chi or whatever but love this post .
Thanks Nutte
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I thought Grace was when someone HO's you and you Don't shoot back with you typhy :devil
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Zazen13 and bubbjja, I enjoy the different facets and discussion of "grace" .....With the Olympics coming up.. my understanding is that some Athletes of the highest level cognitive ....have adopted some of the ancient eastern teachings of "Samari warriors" who develop peerformances of the highest nature through enlightement?...
This is a very crude introduction .....
<S> 999000
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"if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable."
"Sentient beings are the means by which the Universe experiences itself.."
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The universe is only here because we imagined it so, it expands at the same rate as our consciousness of it. If we think, it is becomes so.
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Thats some very nice circumlocution. :salute
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The universe is only here because we imagined it so, it expands at the same rate as our consciousness of it. If we think, it is becomes so.
That's actualy pretty good. Kind of like would a falling tree in the forest make a noise if there was no one to hear it. Would the Universe exist if there were no conscious beings to perceive and experience it. I like your Zen.. :aok
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Thats some very nice circumlocution. :salute
If you can explain it as thoroughly as I did and more concisely I'd love to hear it... ;)
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The universe is only here because we imagined it so, it expands at the same rate as our consciousness of it. If we think, it is becomes so.
how solipistic of you, sort of.
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how solipistic of you, sort of.
Entirely storch! It's a kiddy-ride lie. Try it on the boss, wife, or cop. Pish.
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Well, if I do this, this thread is going to probably get booted to the O'Club.
Divine grace is the reconciliation of mortal souls with the divine.
All mortal beings are intrinsically flawed simply by virtue of the fact that they are subject to the vagaries and temptations of corporeal existence. Through the unavoidable manifestation of these flaws during the course of mortal life a chasm develops separating the individual's soul from the spiritual resonance of the universe. Divine grace is the spiritual "tuning fork" that brings back into harmony the divine consciousness and the soul of a sentient being. Once resonance of spiritual essence is reconciled that soul is considered living in "Divine grace", a state that continues into the afterlife. The central concept of Divine grace is that it is unconditional. Individual souls are not necessarily bound by any requirements. It is a gift from God, the reasons for bestowment known only to him.
For example, a water droplet in a cloud is water, it has the same basic properties as the water in the ocean. But, a water droplet in a cloud is not the ocean. It is a separate and unique element representative of the whole in terms of properties, but divorced from it by time, space and unfulfilled potential. Now, atmospheric conditions change and suddenly the water droplet in the cloud falls in the form of a raindrop, by no will of its own, but as a result of universal forces. Suddenly the water droplet is now in the ocean, separate only in physical theory, but from the perspective of absolution it has become an indivisible entity.
My head hurts. :D